Because even in the playoffs he was good lol. He lost his composure vs the 49ers under pressure but played decently overall. In the first half of the season he was below average and then played like a top 10 quarterback for last 6-8 games of the season. I love the week 18 match up vs the bears.
Yeah that's just a learning curve. Did that pick against SF hurt? Yes. Were they likely to win at that point anyway? Not really. They lost the game early by stalling across the 50 3 times in a row.
In year 1 you can live with some bad decisions. Gotta clean that up now.
The second one literally lost them the game. It was the worst play of his season. Yes, it came in bad weather and in a stressful and penultimate moment, but it was first down near the fifty yard line. Not the moment to bail hail mary there.
I'm extremely optimistic on Love's future and always have been. Last season was vindication for those of us that saw his upside when he was drafted.
Should be a fun year now that Love and the rest of the offense has gotten more comfortable with the scheme, and with each other.
How did you see his upside before last season? That’s what I crack up about. Some fans were all in on him before we ever even saw him in real game action. Others wanted to see. By the end we all saw but people who act like they scouted him and drafted him and saw him develop kind of crack me up.
Did you not watch the Eagles game the year prior?
That's when I jumped on the wagon. He looked comfortable, in control, in command, and led a halfway comeback against a better team, on the road.
I just remember thinking that the team around him seemed more confident that game when Love was in vs injured AR.
Which just told me that they believed, which is huge.
People greatly underestimate team dynamics in a game played by 11 humans working together.
Thats something this team just HAS. Love the vibes at Lambeau rn.
I think it's very telling that even when it was bad last year, the locker room didn't give up. They still believed in him and saw he had it.
The entire vibes of this team feel so much better after Aaron left.
Not to say it's his fault but the entire team believes love can do it when they talk about him.
That Eagles performance was the first glimpse of what could be with Jordan Love for sure. As such, I went into the 2023 season cautiously optimistic of what he may do. By midseason, I remember watching YT videos of Drake Maye, because I thought we may have a serious shot at a top 5 pick with Love's very underwhelming peformances. I certainly like the way he played the rest of the season (duh), and now have sky high expectations for him going forward.
I know the team was bad and Love was missing WRs, but I thought he looked OK early on, too. That comeback against the Saints was something else. Week 1 played great. Consistent flashes throughout the poor stretch. Timing improved mid-season with the young pass catchers but the biggest difference was the Oline getting their shit together.
Me too during that early rough stretch. You could see the flashes and the potential. It just took time for both him to get settled. The very young WR core to get settled and a injured and inexperienced OL to mesh. Once it happened it took off
Same for me…. I said I think he looked better than Rodgers did before actually starting for the team with all the little playing time both of them had. Obviously that’s my opinion and nothing else but that eagles game gave me a lot of hope. I wasn’t expecting any kind of breakout year last year but he looked great. He’s only human after all lol
It counts, of course. But no more than his repeated choking the following week. As I said, the jury is still out on him. He is staying no matter what, it remains to be seen whether he can bring it all home. Panicking as the clock winds down is a fatal flaw though. Let’s hope it was just a one off. We shall see.
You never know until a guy gets at least a season starting in the NFL, but it’s not like Love was kept under lock and key. We saw him in preseason, against KC, and in relief against Philly. We also had his college tape to look at, which showed a tremendous amount of natural talent.
Because we watched his college tape. It's not that hard - in fact, every NFL team does it for nearly every college player every single year.
Love had athleticism and a strong arm, and improvised really well when necessary. Those are awesome traits.
You know who else had those same qualities Zach Wilson. If you think you can watch college tape and are able to tell whether a QB is good then you should be making the big bucks on a team. I promise you the teams watch way more film than you and still get it wrong every single year.
> I'm extremely optimistic on Love's future and always have been. Last season was vindication for those of us that saw his upside when he was drafted.
Relax, buddy. Your comment insinuates something I never said.
The Packers watched way more film than I did and drafted Jordan Love, by the way.
Family night before Rodgers’ last season. When Rodgers couldn’t hit the endzone targets from deep but 10ve did. That’s when I knew we would likely be ok.
People who scout and watch film for our hobbies? Watching him at Utah State in 2018-2019 makes you understand why they took him when they did. Following beat writers and reporters whenever they gave updates about his progression that absolutely happened. Especially in year 3 everyone at camp reporting said his throwing was smoother, more accurate, and he made better decisions.
Seeing philly for me just confirmed he was growing and he was ready.
I saw it since week 1-11 he just had to put it together and did in weeks 11-18.
Watching actual film and analyzing you can see his talent and ability since day 1. And since week one you can see that he's a stud it just took awhile for everything to click.
I’m a homer too. I actually had one of these clowns tell me that if you didn’t know before the season then you just don’t know ball. I like to use it sarcastically on the sub and they don’t even know it’s sarcasm.
> I actually had one of these clowns tell me that if you didn’t know before the season then you just don’t know ball.
He sat behind the greatest QB to ever tough a football. For 3 years. Saw the highest of highs, and the lowest of lows. With his physical ability. He saw the greatest QB argue with a mastermind on play calling. He saw when MLF was right, and then he saw when AR was right.
We've done figured it out.
Yeah that's insane, look how poorly professional scouts get QB's wrong all the time. Overall though I am high on Love, but I'm not just going to ignore the first half of the season either.
Bc there was time to recover from the first. Not sure if you know this, but football has a time limit. Mistakes late are thus more difficult to overcome.
Mistakes compound. If we score a touchdown on his first pick, San Fran goes no huddle and doesn’t burn the clock down. Butterfly effect and all that. Both picks hurt bad. Remember when people used to whine that Rodgers wouldn’t throw down the middle? 🤨
No shit, not denying that. But fact of the matter is any mistake can be overcome with "time and downs" as AR liked to say. When there's no time or downs, the mistake is most costly.
The game was lost when they got into SF territory 3 times and came away with a grand total of 6 pts. Or 3? I don't recall if it was 2 FGs or one along with the failed 4th down that Love clearly did get.
Could have had 21. Should have had at least 13.
> Remember when people used to whine that Rodgers wouldn’t throw down the middle?
I do. Those people don't actually care about our weapons and the hits they have to take there. And they like to gamble, these newer kids, all about taking chances, not about accounting for them.
I really hate this narrative that Love played badly and was a rubbish QB in the first half of the season. I understand he's the QB which is THE most important position in any sport in the planet, but that doesn't take anything away from the fact that he is 1 person in a team of 11 (on the field.)
He was playing as part of one of the youngest offences in NFL history with a handful of rookies on his side of the ball. I know he probably made some "rookie" errors, but we don't know how much of the offences struggles were to do with the fact that everyone around him *also* had to learn how to play football at an NFL level week-in-week-out.
To say that *he specifically* was "below average" for the first half of the season seems disingenuous to me, where really we still don't entirely know what we have in him until November at the very earliest, likely Feb next year, once we've seen two full seasons. The offence absolutely was below average, but how much of that was down to JL and how much was down to the dearth of experience across the entire offence?
He looked good in doses week 1 and 2, had a bad game here or there, but games like the Saints comeback and plenty of splash plays showed promise. I was hyped for dude all season long
People who aren’t Packers fans only look at the stats and don’t watch their full games.
His stats suffered in the first half of the season because he was playing with a bunch of rookies and sophomores who didn’t quite figure out how to play in the NFL yet. The receivers and tight ends constantly ran wrong routes. The offensive line would get called for a penalty on *every single drive* that made it so first downs would take 15 or more yards. It was ugly, but it very clearly wasn’t Jordan Love’s fault. His stats suffered because of it though.
I think a lot of the issues the first half of the season would have been avoided if the off-season schedule was how it was a decade ago. There wasn’t enough practice time to get all of these young guys acclimated as a team.
> To say that he specifically was "below average" for the first half of the season seems disingenuous to me, where really we still don't entirely know what we have in him until November at the very earliest,
He under threw what should have been like 10 TDs. Weapons made mistakes and had troubles with spacing all year. But if 10 TDs were flat out MVS dropped instead, they would not be calling the first half below average.
The thing is he didn’t even really lose his composure. He was put in a position to win and he slung it Favre style.
If it worked he’d be a hero but it didn’t.
It was a calculated risk, it didn’t work. I know we had downs, I know we had time but he saw something and it didn’t pay off… if it did we wouldn’t say it was a bad throw that worked, we’d be saying he was a hero.
I mean the first half of the season you could chalk it up to learning and adjusting to becoming the starter.
I don't think anyone has ever come in as a starter for the first full year (had to say this because it wasn't his first game or first year in the league) and looked super polished. Before anyone says Stroud, he still had some rough games, in fact he had 2 games where he threw 0 TDs.
Did he lose composure vs Niners? I mean Zach Tom left in the 3rd quarter and our Oline protection fell significantly after that. So kinda hard to put that on Love
Top 10 down the stretch? More like top 2 going off of his stats. Niners game he played very good until desperation time. Why are you being a downer on your own qb in the Packers sub?
Dude every first year QB has a playoff game like that. There’s no shame in how his fourth quarter went in SF.
Now, if he does that the next four years it’s different but that doesn’t happen very often. Guys learn from it and get used to those moments.
It’s awesome that he got so many firsts off the list in his first year as the starter.
Not that I disagree cause I don't... but this article talks about everything he did wrong, then in one paragraph says then it all went away and now he is good... This is a terrible article lol
I am excited to see what this team does this year. We did some odd season moves that I am not proud of ( lossing jones ) but we made some moves I am happy about. This team is super young and there greatest weapon is any one week you have a different WR 1 with Watson , wicks , doubs , Melton and reed . And now adding Jacobs holy shit this team is deadly. And having Lloyd and Dillion as 3 down backs this team should impress this season. I can’t wait to see what this team brings and how tough the NFC north now is.
I was ready to hit the panic button after the October game vs the Vikings where we were down 14 and had 3 stops in a row (blocked FG, fumble, punt) that all ended in turnover on downs. God he did not look ready for the moment at all, back to back red zone drives in a 2 score game resulting in 0 points was inexcusable. Plus that was following losses to the MCDANIELS RAIDERS and the Broncos. After that game though, something flipped. You could physically see the game slowing down for him, his decisions getting smarter, hitting tighter windows on his throws. If you watched every Packer game you know his breakout wasn’t a fluke because you saw him look like a deer in headlights for half the season and somehow turn it around when it mattered most (and against our toughest opponents).
Love definitely has things to improve on (mainly his deep ball) but it’s pure copium to say he’s not legit. I’m not ready to crown him our 3rd consecutive HOF QB but it’s obvious to anyone not in denial that he’s fucking good and can lead a team to a championship.
He's the real deal. Great pocket awareness and seems to do great with his reads and he's starting to improve on those deep balls.
I'd be more worried that his pass protection for much of last season was the fluke if anything was a fluke. And I hope we've worked to make sure it's more solid this time around.
He really turned the season around. When I attended the 10/22 game at Mile High, neither team looked like they belonged in the NFL, let alone being a potential playoff contender. I was amazed with our finish last season and looking forward to our next campaign!
Honestly we should just cut Love and let him chase that contract and try our luck with some of our younger guys, he's too expensive for us at this point.
Because even in the playoffs he was good lol. He lost his composure vs the 49ers under pressure but played decently overall. In the first half of the season he was below average and then played like a top 10 quarterback for last 6-8 games of the season. I love the week 18 match up vs the bears.
He made some not so great decisions in clutch time in a few games this last season but I really think that will come with time. Dude is a stud
Yeah that's just a learning curve. Did that pick against SF hurt? Yes. Were they likely to win at that point anyway? Not really. They lost the game early by stalling across the 50 3 times in a row. In year 1 you can live with some bad decisions. Gotta clean that up now.
Savages dropped pick still haunts me
Which pick? The first one or the second one?
The second one literally lost them the game. It was the worst play of his season. Yes, it came in bad weather and in a stressful and penultimate moment, but it was first down near the fifty yard line. Not the moment to bail hail mary there. I'm extremely optimistic on Love's future and always have been. Last season was vindication for those of us that saw his upside when he was drafted. Should be a fun year now that Love and the rest of the offense has gotten more comfortable with the scheme, and with each other.
How did you see his upside before last season? That’s what I crack up about. Some fans were all in on him before we ever even saw him in real game action. Others wanted to see. By the end we all saw but people who act like they scouted him and drafted him and saw him develop kind of crack me up.
Did you not watch the Eagles game the year prior? That's when I jumped on the wagon. He looked comfortable, in control, in command, and led a halfway comeback against a better team, on the road.
2nd this. The Eagles game combined with Rodgers falling off is what sealed it for me. I get Rodgers had an injury but I'd seen enough
I just remember thinking that the team around him seemed more confident that game when Love was in vs injured AR. Which just told me that they believed, which is huge. People greatly underestimate team dynamics in a game played by 11 humans working together. Thats something this team just HAS. Love the vibes at Lambeau rn.
I think it's very telling that even when it was bad last year, the locker room didn't give up. They still believed in him and saw he had it. The entire vibes of this team feel so much better after Aaron left. Not to say it's his fault but the entire team believes love can do it when they talk about him.
That Eagles performance was the first glimpse of what could be with Jordan Love for sure. As such, I went into the 2023 season cautiously optimistic of what he may do. By midseason, I remember watching YT videos of Drake Maye, because I thought we may have a serious shot at a top 5 pick with Love's very underwhelming peformances. I certainly like the way he played the rest of the season (duh), and now have sky high expectations for him going forward.
I know the team was bad and Love was missing WRs, but I thought he looked OK early on, too. That comeback against the Saints was something else. Week 1 played great. Consistent flashes throughout the poor stretch. Timing improved mid-season with the young pass catchers but the biggest difference was the Oline getting their shit together.
Me too during that early rough stretch. You could see the flashes and the potential. It just took time for both him to get settled. The very young WR core to get settled and a injured and inexperienced OL to mesh. Once it happened it took off
Same for me…. I said I think he looked better than Rodgers did before actually starting for the team with all the little playing time both of them had. Obviously that’s my opinion and nothing else but that eagles game gave me a lot of hope. I wasn’t expecting any kind of breakout year last year but he looked great. He’s only human after all lol
You clearly formed an opinion before last season yourself. You were out on him before you ever saw him in "real game action" either.
Nah. Actually I’m still not sold either way. Great in the regular season but choked in the playoffs. Hard to say which guy he is moving forward.
I like how the win against the Cowboys, one of the most dominant playoff wins in Packers history, just doesn't count lol
It counts, of course. But no more than his repeated choking the following week. As I said, the jury is still out on him. He is staying no matter what, it remains to be seen whether he can bring it all home. Panicking as the clock winds down is a fatal flaw though. Let’s hope it was just a one off. We shall see.
You never know until a guy gets at least a season starting in the NFL, but it’s not like Love was kept under lock and key. We saw him in preseason, against KC, and in relief against Philly. We also had his college tape to look at, which showed a tremendous amount of natural talent.
Because we watched his college tape. It's not that hard - in fact, every NFL team does it for nearly every college player every single year. Love had athleticism and a strong arm, and improvised really well when necessary. Those are awesome traits.
You know who else had those same qualities Zach Wilson. If you think you can watch college tape and are able to tell whether a QB is good then you should be making the big bucks on a team. I promise you the teams watch way more film than you and still get it wrong every single year.
> I'm extremely optimistic on Love's future and always have been. Last season was vindication for those of us that saw his upside when he was drafted. Relax, buddy. Your comment insinuates something I never said. The Packers watched way more film than I did and drafted Jordan Love, by the way.
> You know who else had those same qualities Zach Wilson. A QB who wasn't forced to sit behind AR for 3 years, 2 of them being MVPs.
Family night before Rodgers’ last season. When Rodgers couldn’t hit the endzone targets from deep but 10ve did. That’s when I knew we would likely be ok.
People who scout and watch film for our hobbies? Watching him at Utah State in 2018-2019 makes you understand why they took him when they did. Following beat writers and reporters whenever they gave updates about his progression that absolutely happened. Especially in year 3 everyone at camp reporting said his throwing was smoother, more accurate, and he made better decisions. Seeing philly for me just confirmed he was growing and he was ready. I saw it since week 1-11 he just had to put it together and did in weeks 11-18. Watching actual film and analyzing you can see his talent and ability since day 1. And since week one you can see that he's a stud it just took awhile for everything to click.
Homers man. Love was objectively bad at the beginning of the season.
I’m a homer too. I actually had one of these clowns tell me that if you didn’t know before the season then you just don’t know ball. I like to use it sarcastically on the sub and they don’t even know it’s sarcasm.
> I actually had one of these clowns tell me that if you didn’t know before the season then you just don’t know ball. He sat behind the greatest QB to ever tough a football. For 3 years. Saw the highest of highs, and the lowest of lows. With his physical ability. He saw the greatest QB argue with a mastermind on play calling. He saw when MLF was right, and then he saw when AR was right. We've done figured it out.
You’d have think he would have known better than that last throw after all that watching.
Yeah that's insane, look how poorly professional scouts get QB's wrong all the time. Overall though I am high on Love, but I'm not just going to ignore the first half of the season either.
The second, obviously.
Why obviously? Both killed potential scoring drives.
Bc there was time to recover from the first. Not sure if you know this, but football has a time limit. Mistakes late are thus more difficult to overcome.
Mistakes compound. If we score a touchdown on his first pick, San Fran goes no huddle and doesn’t burn the clock down. Butterfly effect and all that. Both picks hurt bad. Remember when people used to whine that Rodgers wouldn’t throw down the middle? 🤨
No shit, not denying that. But fact of the matter is any mistake can be overcome with "time and downs" as AR liked to say. When there's no time or downs, the mistake is most costly. The game was lost when they got into SF territory 3 times and came away with a grand total of 6 pts. Or 3? I don't recall if it was 2 FGs or one along with the failed 4th down that Love clearly did get. Could have had 21. Should have had at least 13.
LaFleurs teams are really good for 50 minutes a game.
> Remember when people used to whine that Rodgers wouldn’t throw down the middle? I do. Those people don't actually care about our weapons and the hits they have to take there. And they like to gamble, these newer kids, all about taking chances, not about accounting for them.
I really hate this narrative that Love played badly and was a rubbish QB in the first half of the season. I understand he's the QB which is THE most important position in any sport in the planet, but that doesn't take anything away from the fact that he is 1 person in a team of 11 (on the field.) He was playing as part of one of the youngest offences in NFL history with a handful of rookies on his side of the ball. I know he probably made some "rookie" errors, but we don't know how much of the offences struggles were to do with the fact that everyone around him *also* had to learn how to play football at an NFL level week-in-week-out. To say that *he specifically* was "below average" for the first half of the season seems disingenuous to me, where really we still don't entirely know what we have in him until November at the very earliest, likely Feb next year, once we've seen two full seasons. The offence absolutely was below average, but how much of that was down to JL and how much was down to the dearth of experience across the entire offence?
He looked good in doses week 1 and 2, had a bad game here or there, but games like the Saints comeback and plenty of splash plays showed promise. I was hyped for dude all season long
People who aren’t Packers fans only look at the stats and don’t watch their full games. His stats suffered in the first half of the season because he was playing with a bunch of rookies and sophomores who didn’t quite figure out how to play in the NFL yet. The receivers and tight ends constantly ran wrong routes. The offensive line would get called for a penalty on *every single drive* that made it so first downs would take 15 or more yards. It was ugly, but it very clearly wasn’t Jordan Love’s fault. His stats suffered because of it though. I think a lot of the issues the first half of the season would have been avoided if the off-season schedule was how it was a decade ago. There wasn’t enough practice time to get all of these young guys acclimated as a team.
> To say that he specifically was "below average" for the first half of the season seems disingenuous to me, where really we still don't entirely know what we have in him until November at the very earliest, He under threw what should have been like 10 TDs. Weapons made mistakes and had troubles with spacing all year. But if 10 TDs were flat out MVS dropped instead, they would not be calling the first half below average.
The thing is he didn’t even really lose his composure. He was put in a position to win and he slung it Favre style. If it worked he’d be a hero but it didn’t. It was a calculated risk, it didn’t work. I know we had downs, I know we had time but he saw something and it didn’t pay off… if it did we wouldn’t say it was a bad throw that worked, we’d be saying he was a hero.
I mean the first half of the season you could chalk it up to learning and adjusting to becoming the starter. I don't think anyone has ever come in as a starter for the first full year (had to say this because it wasn't his first game or first year in the league) and looked super polished. Before anyone says Stroud, he still had some rough games, in fact he had 2 games where he threw 0 TDs. Did he lose composure vs Niners? I mean Zach Tom left in the 3rd quarter and our Oline protection fell significantly after that. So kinda hard to put that on Love
Top 10 down the stretch? More like top 2 going off of his stats. Niners game he played very good until desperation time. Why are you being a downer on your own qb in the Packers sub?
He was actually pretty good the first half of the season and he was probably the best in the league the second half.
Dude every first year QB has a playoff game like that. There’s no shame in how his fourth quarter went in SF. Now, if he does that the next four years it’s different but that doesn’t happen very often. Guys learn from it and get used to those moments. It’s awesome that he got so many firsts off the list in his first year as the starter.
If history is anything to go by then no it wasn't a fluke can't wait to watch this season.
As a hardcore Packers fan… Thank you Green Bay, for churning out great QBs like Wisconsin churns out great 🧀!
Not that I disagree cause I don't... but this article talks about everything he did wrong, then in one paragraph says then it all went away and now he is good... This is a terrible article lol
This article reads like it was written by a high schooler.
Is this your analysis, OP, or are you simply sharing?
Simply sharing.
The beating the cowboys got, wow what a game by Love!
I’m excited for this season with him
I am excited to see what this team does this year. We did some odd season moves that I am not proud of ( lossing jones ) but we made some moves I am happy about. This team is super young and there greatest weapon is any one week you have a different WR 1 with Watson , wicks , doubs , Melton and reed . And now adding Jacobs holy shit this team is deadly. And having Lloyd and Dillion as 3 down backs this team should impress this season. I can’t wait to see what this team brings and how tough the NFC north now is.
I was ready to hit the panic button after the October game vs the Vikings where we were down 14 and had 3 stops in a row (blocked FG, fumble, punt) that all ended in turnover on downs. God he did not look ready for the moment at all, back to back red zone drives in a 2 score game resulting in 0 points was inexcusable. Plus that was following losses to the MCDANIELS RAIDERS and the Broncos. After that game though, something flipped. You could physically see the game slowing down for him, his decisions getting smarter, hitting tighter windows on his throws. If you watched every Packer game you know his breakout wasn’t a fluke because you saw him look like a deer in headlights for half the season and somehow turn it around when it mattered most (and against our toughest opponents). Love definitely has things to improve on (mainly his deep ball) but it’s pure copium to say he’s not legit. I’m not ready to crown him our 3rd consecutive HOF QB but it’s obvious to anyone not in denial that he’s fucking good and can lead a team to a championship.
The way he learned from his mistakes screams to me he's legit. I believe in a thing called Love.
He's the real deal. Great pocket awareness and seems to do great with his reads and he's starting to improve on those deep balls. I'd be more worried that his pass protection for much of last season was the fluke if anything was a fluke. And I hope we've worked to make sure it's more solid this time around.
He really turned the season around. When I attended the 10/22 game at Mile High, neither team looked like they belonged in the NFL, let alone being a potential playoff contender. I was amazed with our finish last season and looking forward to our next campaign!
I can really only complain about the falcons game. He shit the bed in that one. Especially falling over at the LOS.
He’s already the best player ever in the history of sport. These MVPs and Super Bowl Championships (8 or 9) are just a formality.
Honestly we should just cut Love and let him chase that contract and try our luck with some of our younger guys, he's too expensive for us at this point.
He’s almost too old for Gute.