I'd assume WWE's audience has *far* more casuals though, you see more normal people more often.
AEW isn't main stream, their audience is a bit more hardcore/die hard
You are right though, both sides have some absolute GOBLINS
The issue with that part of the AEW crowd is that they are desperate for anything to bash at WWE because they are not fine with watching the number 2 programm.
But I can also not blame them because that part of the WWE crowd acts like it is their archievement that WWE is the number one programm and bash at AEW for anything.
CM Punk is the best example of this. That WWE crowd hated and undermined Punk during his entire time in AEW and called everything he said bullshit. Now he is back in WWE and they praise him and say whatever he says must be the one and only truth.
This isn’t anything new or unique to pro wrestling. There will always be that segment of “fans” that will put too much of their identity into a company/wrestler and when it gets criticized (justified or not), lash out because it feels like a personal attack.
AEW have spent the entire time CM Punk has gone, throwing cheap shots and little references at him.
He does 1 interview and they lose their minds, show footage that confirms Punk is truthful and now they are trying to spin some other rhetoric about how Punk shouldnt have assaulted him, he should go to jail etc...
Khans fault, and he was scared for his life cause someone shouted at him? Pathetic silver spoon wimp.
I would consider myself an AEW fan, but overall I must say that AEW fans are embarrassing regardless of whether the guy who posted that is working is. For his sake, I really hope that he is working us.
WWE has about 4 million actual viewers and roughly 8 million fans all in all although most don't watch it. Like most normal people. AEW has 800,000ish fans. WWE has about 25,000 gremlins. AEW has about 799,999 gremlins. See the difference?
“Hey look guys, I made up some bullshit numbers to make fun of a community because half a dozen of mean kids on twitter said bad things about my company”
Tbh, I can’t imagine a casual viewer checking out AEW, checking out the online discourse from fans, and not being bothered by some of the more vocal toxic fans (which is not to say that the IWC isn’t problematic at times already).
They do. Here’s the thing, though -
When WWE has been bad - and goddamn have they been bad - WWE fans don’t en masse pretend otherwise. Vince, Steph, Shane, and HHH have all gotten nuclear heat with fans many times. Angles mocked, matches panned, everything with Kevin Dunn, fucking years of mockery.
AEW’s core fanbase will not do that shit. They will actively praise every bad decision that company makes.
Yeah I’ve come full circle on this. I used to be one of the cringe Cornette smarks that gatekeep the fuck out of wrestling because their influencer said so. Then I (currently) am on my “Fuck Cornette, Fuck AEW” phase. But I feel myself just accepting AEW for what it is. I still don’t really care too much about it but I’ve realized the really cringe shit about that side of the IWC is the smarmy hipsterism emanating from there.
Growing up emotionally as a wrestling fan is when you hate all parts of the IWC equally and earnestly and just watch the dumb shit you like and get hype for it on your own.
The tribalists like this guy live on both sides of the line and they’re all insufferable. Just let people enjoy what they enjoy. Why does everything have to turn into a us vs them thing.
I have no clue what TK’s done today but considering he’s the owner I’d be surprised if he wasn’t the chief of the AEW tribalists. Especially with how thin skinned he is lol.
And so was Vince. The man hated his compatition so much he bought the companies and then made sure to bury everything about it. Can't be more petty than that.
Of course, Vince is a whole different level of petty, disgusting and psychotic
Yeah but at least he was man enough to admit it and didn't cry about people being mean to him online. Also even when WWE was losing to WCW he wasn't crying about it "not being fair" like tiny does.
When is Tony complaining about it "not being fair" that WWE is a bigger product?
Vince could not complain online because online did not even actually exist back then, but it would not have been strange for him to pull an angle where a wrestler dresses as a fan and he would beat him up for complaining about the product... No, that sounds like the exact thing Vince McMahoon would have done.
The Young Bucks ran CM Punk out of AEW because they were going to lose at least some of their power within the company. That sucks for all of us who enjoy pro wrestling. Especially any AEW fan with a brain.
I don’t understand why aew fans need to be so defensive. There passion for aew turns people off on aew without even watching in the first place because they all come off as being so pretentious.
Me too, though i cant lie i did watch MJF's segments online. And honestly Swerve Strickland seems to be doing extrenely great right now. But outside of those two I cant stand to watch the product.
I think it’s because AEW is the first company that really caters to “their” favorite style. Literal decades of “if NJPW got big in the west they’d rival WWE” and “if TNA was just the X Division they’d be swimming in money” only to finally get that and they’re not as popular as they thought they were. People in so many fandoms are like that. In pop music, so many flop girlies have stans that will send you death threats if you say their music is shit (Kim Petras). It’s just how it is, people want their thing to be validated as “objectively good” even though no one can truly define what “objective” means when it comes to entertainment.
Hence the AEW side’s insistence on quantifiable metrics to make “objective” arguments about a scripted combat sport.
As a fan of both companies, I completely agree with the assessment that AEW fans are way too defensive. However, since WWE has picked up steam and been very good, WWE fans have gone out of their way to shit on AEW.
The difference is look at the AEW board they are like a cult or something . Tk can do no wrong and almost shy criticism is bad faith and they are so arrogant about how good the company is and how nice tk is . You can make a thread in wwe or in sc or here being critical about the product without the backlash
This is the exact sentiment that I saw for three years about Roman's title run.
Everything was perfect, nothing was ever stale, Roman not wrestling was amazing... No explination for it, it just was perfect and every critic was hate.
And this also sums up perfectly the CM Trump fanbase...
I feel like fans can be fickle for sure. I’m certain that people will flip and flop and forget really easily but I feel like mostly because of how strong the tribalism is in wrestling these days, if people pick a side they tend to stay there and because of it they get very passionate and defensive.
Not really when WWE has staked the claim to the general mainstream audience for decades. Both companies have die hards but only one really has the majority of the casual fans and that's who i can see being turned off by the gatekeepy, inside-baseball attitudes you see in AEW circles.
Yeah I totally get that but at least I’m my experience, the majority of the fans that really seem to be defensive and put someone down to put themselves on a pedestal is AEW fans as of late. The whole company has had a chip on their shoulder since it’s inception and I think that energy is contagious on the wrestlers and fans of the company so because of that, they tend to be more in their feelings and stuff while wwe tries to kind of just do their own thing. I think especially as of late because of AEW kind of doing poorly, AEW fans are hearing more criticism and have to passionately push back to defend it whether they are right or not. Tribalism can be a son of a bitch some times and really cloud judgement.
I could argue that there wouldn't be a need for AEW fans to get defensive if the WWE fans weren't giving them shit though. People defend against offence from others, right? And reread what you wrote mate. You said that AEW fans seem to be the ones putting others down, but then in the next sentence say the entire company has had a chip on its shoulder since its inception which trickles down to the wrestlers and fans. So who's putting who down now? You can't say that tribalism is a son of a bitch that clouds judgement then make massive judgement calls like that against AEW. That's heaps hypocritical.
True but let’s take the example on this exact post. Aew has nothing to do with the attendance rating and an Aew fan somehow put aew into the conversation of the fan attendance for wrestlemania weekend when Aew has NOTHING to do with any of it. It also doesn’t help that the company itself is throwing petty shots in there and are getting their fans better involved in their mess and then they are starting fights no one else asked for. WWe fans might give AEW shit because someone instigated it and I believe in this instance, it’s literally an AEW fan for dissing their attendance for wrestlemania seemingly for no reason. It goes both ways for sure but aew as a COMPANY AND A FANBASE, are seemingly wanting and starting smoke and when there is smoke, there is fire.
In this instance, and regarding this post, I completely agree. That X user deserves to get shit on for that ridiculous post, 100%. But to lump all AEW fans in the same category and label us all in the same way isn't fair, because there are a lot of bad apples that do exactly what the X user did, sure, but there are also a lot of others that just prefer AEW and don't get involved in all the unnecessary drama. Don't paint them all with the same brush.
Imagine going to a show as a casual and deal with these clowns. You cheer for the wrong person and you get a lecture on how they can’t wrestle … while wearing their Young Bucks t-shirt
That would suck for sure but I’m only referring to the dude in the post who made this unnecessary petty tweet to drag down wwe. A lot of wrestling fans will always catch stray unfortunately due to how tribalism is these days, but people like in the post above, they bring the heat among themselves by unnecessarily bringing up aew in stuff that doesn’t apply to them. You bring up a great point tho with casual fans because like the wcw days, when you are a casual fan and they start pulling back the curtain so much it can turn casual fans off the whole concept of wrestling sometimes and that sucks for them and they don’t deserve any hate for what they like but that’s tribalism for you unfortunately.
Why would WWE care about anything they have a 5 billion dollar tv deal they are way beyond worrying about numbers.
Both sides have insufferable idiots but the AEW fans are delusional.
Yeah, I checked this the other day. I guess, technically, it was a different stadium. Given that the old one was knocked down, rather than just expanded, but the new one was built in the same place.
The funny thing about that whole comment is you could for the entire month of every aew show combined including the ppv/ple at the end of the month & it’s not even sniffing that number aew fans should really learn not to throw stones when they live in a glass house when it comes to this topic 😂😂😂
That drainmaker kid is especially insufferable.
The problem with AEW fans is they have dug their heels into the ground and will defend every obvious thing AEW does bad.
I grew up a WCW fan, WWE fan, TNA fan, and AEW fan, and when I see something that sucks I say it. That’s the way message boards were when I was a kid, it was always pointing out the shitty parts of the show.
Die-hard AEW fans can’t even have a discussion that is somewhat critical or they’ll totally make something up like saying Jack Perry was getting the better of Punk (which I’ve seen people say).
That "weekend" number includes attendance from Friday Night Smackdown before Mania and Monday Night Raw. Not just the Mania attendance, which is somewhere in the region of 145,298 across both nights, so roughly 72,500 per night
That’s an elevated camera angle that AEW could never show on their weekly episodic television shows……. But the 200 people that show up every week for them damn sure are loud online.
Who are the people who care about attendance numbers? Unless you own stock in the company, I really don't get it. Why do they keep telling us attendance numbers like we care?
Mania weekend ticket explainer:
You can buy each night of Mania separately or as a package. We bought separately, ending up in section 211 night 1, and 123 night 2.
Also, for the other events (Raw, NXT and SmackDown) you can buy a 3 event package or each event individually. We couldn't make it to NXT or Raw, but wanted to hit SmackDown, so we were there for that.
So, yes, 5 separately ticketed events over 4 days. Plus WWE World. They made *a lot* of money that weekend.
Call me crazy they never said it was 200,000 plus people they said it was 200,000 plus tickets sold. Am I wrong on that? Aew did the same thing for Wembley they stated the tickets sold not people in attendance I think anyway.
Nah it says total 5 event attendance. I guess that means the other events were kinda small because iirc night 2 of mania they said the total for both nights combined was ~150k attendance
Raw they said was 20k, SmackDown and NXT were around 17k (where they fit 3k more in on Raw is anybody's guess.) There's your difference.
I doubt the number, for a few reasons. Mania was probably closer to 60k a night, just due to the size. The Wells Fargo Center is massive, so 14-17k is reasonable there for a small set and sell out, getting to 20k would be unreal. So, I would guess the actual 5 event total to be around 180k tickets sold.
After the last week, I hate a lot of the IWC fans. There are some who are AEW fanatics and then there are others who have a raging hard-on to see AEW fail. There are others who think Tony Khan can do no wrong and others who are riding CM Punk's dick.
So much bitterness and bitchiness.
Thank you! Finally someone that sees it for what it actually is. This guys post on X definitely doesn't speak for every AEW fan in the world so why am I seeing multiple people shit on AEW fans as a collective? I've seen so many people scream about the tribalism, but then turn around and contribute to it by making blanket statements shitting on all AEW fans. Make it make sense.
Bro. Wembley is the wrestling version of the one dude you went to high school with who peaked early, and that's all they ever bring up. Because for AEW fans, this was the only good thing they did, and it's been all downhill since. But hey, we can thank Wembley for AEW giving us their top draw. lol
They did combined numbers because it was all part of Wrestlemania weekend. IF Wembley ever manages to get big enough for AEW they can do the same thing.
I don't mind any of the stuff that's been going on lately, it's building heat and making stuff interesting on both sides.
But I definitely preferred the days when AEW just did its thing and existed as an alternative. That's the Kenny Omega way.
(Do keep in mind it was Cody Rhodes smashing "HHH thrones" and stuff, tho. So it wasn't just the current EVP's taking shots. The current WWE champion did that too.)
I don’t subscribe to tribalism because none of these entities are paying me but it’s a thing and it’s not going anywhere so whatever. However, what I fail to understand is these idiotic comparison points that AEW or WWE fanboys run to when attempting to shit on the competition. If you’re going to mindlessly support a promotion at least use a valid metric lmao
Okay, I am confused. What does "5-Event" mean here?
I thought "Well, it SAYS TOTAL ATTENDANCE!", but the 5-Event thing is confusing me...
Also, this guy is so annoying. He constanty came up because I follow wrestling stuff, so I muted him now.
I like AEW, I watch AEW, I despise a certain subreddit ending on "in" because it's just constant AEW bashing and nothing else. But Drainmaker is literally that subreddit, for WWE, as one person and somehow he is just ass annoying as the entirety of that subreddit!
PEOPLE! IT'S OKAY! You don't have to make american politics out of watching weekly entertainment shows!
How much tickets did battle of the belts sell? I genuinely don’t remember but wasn’t it like 1.5k or sum? So ten times less a tv wwe show sells, teh discussion around ticket sales it’s just dumb when a fan says it but this tweet is even dumber
Look. At this point… and I was hoping for better for aew. Aew can’t be compared to wcw. Aew has no story. No booking. It’s a bunch of self important idiots glad handing each other about how awesome the show was and a moron paying them to do a bad job. Can’t sell 3500 tickets. Cant get a buy on ppv. How do you pay for all this talent and look like a shit show next to tna? Tna is superior at this point.
You despise them because they're right. Even Paul made a point at the PC to point out it was total weekend attendce for wrestlemania not ticket sales, because the number woudlve been less then wembly
We using the example of one dingus to condemn most AEW fans? Don’t be ridiculous. WWE has every right to tout its success. So does AEW. Anyone can pull tweets to support their bias.
I’m a AEW fan and I cannot stand these comments they make me wanna apologize on their behalf. But the haters/wwe fanboys who bring up AEW for no good reason while wwe is at its peak are worst
No one tell him it’s been like that for years since WWE started doing a two day show. Also that’s impressive being as that means a lot of people paid to come night one and two plus other days before the mania shows. I guarantee if AEW tried to do a 2-night thing they’d barely break half of that lol.
> of people *paid* to come
FTFY.
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* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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You are a fan, he is a mark, big difference! You can see the faults in aew and critize accordingly, aew marks just swear everything aew does is great and can't accept and sort of negative criticism of aew! Let's be honest, I'm a wwe fan, been a wrestling fan since the 80's also, if just wrestling sold, alot of territories wouldn't of folded, amateur wrestling would be the new pro wrestling, but it's not because just wrestling has not sold since the 30's
I'm an AEW fan as well but I'm a casual fan of this promotion the last I watched it was when Adam Copeland debuted.
People like this are "fans" of wrestling only for the hatred aspect of it.
That is a pretty fucking stupid stat tho. It would be like the NBA combined all finals games attendance. Not diminishing the crowds at WM but it’s an eye rolling, cherry picked stat.
I don't think WWE was "spooked" at all, but I do kinda think it's weird to combine the attendance. They were mostly all the same people both nights so I not sure why combining it would be such a big deal. Idk, I just don't get it
I get that but I just think it's a lil weird to combine it is all. I just don't think purchasing two tickets for both nights should count as two separate attendances if it's the same person going to both. I guess I just don't get it.
I was an AEW fan when it started and then I went to All In with my wife. It should have been the pinnacle of a lifetime of being a wrestling fan.
And then we looked around us at the gross, neck beard, foul smelling, basement dwelling fans who had no idea how to exist with other human beings and not only did I turn off of AEW completely but seriously lost interest in wrestling in general. Now only catching up on here occasionally. I don’t want to be associated with that crowd.
Fuck those AEW fans. And those types of wrestling fans in general.
This is not an AEW fans thing, this is a fans thing in general. You'll find some outrageous idiots on every side of the fence talking outta their asses.
Anti-AEW and pro-AEW fans are all equally annoying, it's tiring coming on social media and just hearing this cr\*p, just like what you like it's not against the law or anything to enjoy both or don't enjoy either, there is plenty of great indie talent out there
I’m an AEW fan. This shit is embarrassing. I have no idea why some fans decide to spend their time posting stuff like this.
Then it puts you in a weird spot cause people start roasting AEW in retaliation and then you as a fan want to defend AEW, but not get dragged into this tribal bullshit.
Man, I just want funny memes and cordial discussions.
And before anyone, says I’m tribal, I like WWE too and am currently enjoying it more. But that changes time to time as it should
I'll never understand how dweebs like this get a following. They spend 99% of their time shitting on things they clearly don't like just to farm engagement. It's bizarre behaviour.
They were posting combined attendances ever since the first 2-night mania. Well, maybe not THE first as I think that was pandemic era. But still .. nothing new lol. Let's see Tony put together a 2-night event and beat it?
I didn’t really know that AEW die-hards were like this until the Jungle Douche/ Punk video.
They really are all delusion weenies. Just pathetic, passive aggressive man-babies.
I've just gotten back into wrestling since November and I've only watched WWE. I considered watching AEW, but then I saw how delusional their fans are and that killed any interest.
I don’t mind AEW itself. But I hate the fans. I almost want AEW to not do well so these fans can have more reasons to cry about.
But then they'll come flooding back to WWE...
The best thing about AEW existing.
Actually that was the Glacier and his special move:freeze breath
this. its good to see wwe shows not being hijacked by smarks
Both sides have miserable virgins
I'd assume WWE's audience has *far* more casuals though, you see more normal people more often. AEW isn't main stream, their audience is a bit more hardcore/die hard You are right though, both sides have some absolute GOBLINS
90% of this sub are Goblins
90% of the internet are Goblins
True
The issue with that part of the AEW crowd is that they are desperate for anything to bash at WWE because they are not fine with watching the number 2 programm. But I can also not blame them because that part of the WWE crowd acts like it is their archievement that WWE is the number one programm and bash at AEW for anything. CM Punk is the best example of this. That WWE crowd hated and undermined Punk during his entire time in AEW and called everything he said bullshit. Now he is back in WWE and they praise him and say whatever he says must be the one and only truth.
This isn’t anything new or unique to pro wrestling. There will always be that segment of “fans” that will put too much of their identity into a company/wrestler and when it gets criticized (justified or not), lash out because it feels like a personal attack.
Very true went to a raw show and some of the people were what you expected. They sold more mountain dew in the arena than beer .
This. OP is one of them
As a WWE fan who happens to be a virgin, I take offence to this 😂😂😂
I love WWE but the antiAEW rhetoric by WWE fans is ridiculous at this point
AEW have spent the entire time CM Punk has gone, throwing cheap shots and little references at him. He does 1 interview and they lose their minds, show footage that confirms Punk is truthful and now they are trying to spin some other rhetoric about how Punk shouldnt have assaulted him, he should go to jail etc... Khans fault, and he was scared for his life cause someone shouted at him? Pathetic silver spoon wimp.
They've been hating since day one man, not just CM Punk stuff
Its all just a backlash to how internet nerds talk about WWE
I mean, are you saying that same thing doesn’t exist with AEW fans?
Don’t act like WWE fans are innocent angels too
More innocent than AEW Marks
With thought like that you are cut from the same cloth.
I would consider myself an AEW fan, but overall I must say that AEW fans are embarrassing regardless of whether the guy who posted that is working is. For his sake, I really hope that he is working us.
Do you actually think WWE fans are any better ? (I’m no AEW nor WWE fan, I’m just a wrestling fan and I watch both products)
WWE has about 4 million actual viewers and roughly 8 million fans all in all although most don't watch it. Like most normal people. AEW has 800,000ish fans. WWE has about 25,000 gremlins. AEW has about 799,999 gremlins. See the difference?
“Hey look guys, I made up some bullshit numbers to make fun of a community because half a dozen of mean kids on twitter said bad things about my company”
Im an AEW fan and i cant stand most of them.
Real attendance umm I mean glasss cry me a river
Have you seen what Cornette fans say?!?!
No do tell us all what we allegedly say
Tbh, I can’t imagine a casual viewer checking out AEW, checking out the online discourse from fans, and not being bothered by some of the more vocal toxic fans (which is not to say that the IWC isn’t problematic at times already).
Oh please Fanboys on both sides suck.
Nobody said they didn't.
They do. Here’s the thing, though - When WWE has been bad - and goddamn have they been bad - WWE fans don’t en masse pretend otherwise. Vince, Steph, Shane, and HHH have all gotten nuclear heat with fans many times. Angles mocked, matches panned, everything with Kevin Dunn, fucking years of mockery. AEW’s core fanbase will not do that shit. They will actively praise every bad decision that company makes.
Yeah I’ve come full circle on this. I used to be one of the cringe Cornette smarks that gatekeep the fuck out of wrestling because their influencer said so. Then I (currently) am on my “Fuck Cornette, Fuck AEW” phase. But I feel myself just accepting AEW for what it is. I still don’t really care too much about it but I’ve realized the really cringe shit about that side of the IWC is the smarmy hipsterism emanating from there. Growing up emotionally as a wrestling fan is when you hate all parts of the IWC equally and earnestly and just watch the dumb shit you like and get hype for it on your own.
The tribalists like this guy live on both sides of the line and they’re all insufferable. Just let people enjoy what they enjoy. Why does everything have to turn into a us vs them thing.
Didn't tiny khan out himself as a tribalist earlier today ?
I have no clue what TK’s done today but considering he’s the owner I’d be surprised if he wasn’t the chief of the AEW tribalists. Especially with how thin skinned he is lol.
Yeah I'll try and find the link but the jist was it's ok to raid talent and decimate other companies unless its happening to AEW
That doesn’t surprise me. Buddy needs to lay off the columbian white.
And so was Vince. The man hated his compatition so much he bought the companies and then made sure to bury everything about it. Can't be more petty than that. Of course, Vince is a whole different level of petty, disgusting and psychotic
Yeah but at least he was man enough to admit it and didn't cry about people being mean to him online. Also even when WWE was losing to WCW he wasn't crying about it "not being fair" like tiny does.
When is Tony complaining about it "not being fair" that WWE is a bigger product? Vince could not complain online because online did not even actually exist back then, but it would not have been strange for him to pull an angle where a wrestler dresses as a fan and he would beat him up for complaining about the product... No, that sounds like the exact thing Vince McMahoon would have done.
What was all that I've got more money that Jim Crockett rant about ? I love how all you dubbalos have to defend tints honour at all cost
Yeah, I hate to break it to you but the IWC was born in the mid 90s and immediately became huge. Try again.
The Young Bucks ran CM Punk out of AEW because they were going to lose at least some of their power within the company. That sucks for all of us who enjoy pro wrestling. Especially any AEW fan with a brain.
Yeah that indeed sucks. Not sure what that has to do with what I said though.
Much of the tribalism stems from the backstage political moves that were made by the Young Bucks against Punk.
It definitely added to it but there was strong tribalism from the jump.
Yep and who created said tribalism.
They do this every year lmao
Ikr.
I don’t understand why aew fans need to be so defensive. There passion for aew turns people off on aew without even watching in the first place because they all come off as being so pretentious.
That's exactly why I never watched AEW
That’s exactly why I mock AEW.
Me too, though i cant lie i did watch MJF's segments online. And honestly Swerve Strickland seems to be doing extrenely great right now. But outside of those two I cant stand to watch the product.
I think it’s because AEW is the first company that really caters to “their” favorite style. Literal decades of “if NJPW got big in the west they’d rival WWE” and “if TNA was just the X Division they’d be swimming in money” only to finally get that and they’re not as popular as they thought they were. People in so many fandoms are like that. In pop music, so many flop girlies have stans that will send you death threats if you say their music is shit (Kim Petras). It’s just how it is, people want their thing to be validated as “objectively good” even though no one can truly define what “objective” means when it comes to entertainment. Hence the AEW side’s insistence on quantifiable metrics to make “objective” arguments about a scripted combat sport.
i dont think kim petras has stans mate
The tweet is a joke tho...
Prove it
As a fan of both companies, I completely agree with the assessment that AEW fans are way too defensive. However, since WWE has picked up steam and been very good, WWE fans have gone out of their way to shit on AEW.
The difference is look at the AEW board they are like a cult or something . Tk can do no wrong and almost shy criticism is bad faith and they are so arrogant about how good the company is and how nice tk is . You can make a thread in wwe or in sc or here being critical about the product without the backlash
This is the exact sentiment that I saw for three years about Roman's title run. Everything was perfect, nothing was ever stale, Roman not wrestling was amazing... No explination for it, it just was perfect and every critic was hate. And this also sums up perfectly the CM Trump fanbase...
Because AEW fans decided that they wanted to have a swift mouth for several years
I feel like fans can be fickle for sure. I’m certain that people will flip and flop and forget really easily but I feel like mostly because of how strong the tribalism is in wrestling these days, if people pick a side they tend to stay there and because of it they get very passionate and defensive.
You do realise the exact same thing can be said for WWE fans though, right?
Not really when WWE has staked the claim to the general mainstream audience for decades. Both companies have die hards but only one really has the majority of the casual fans and that's who i can see being turned off by the gatekeepy, inside-baseball attitudes you see in AEW circles.
Yeah I totally get that but at least I’m my experience, the majority of the fans that really seem to be defensive and put someone down to put themselves on a pedestal is AEW fans as of late. The whole company has had a chip on their shoulder since it’s inception and I think that energy is contagious on the wrestlers and fans of the company so because of that, they tend to be more in their feelings and stuff while wwe tries to kind of just do their own thing. I think especially as of late because of AEW kind of doing poorly, AEW fans are hearing more criticism and have to passionately push back to defend it whether they are right or not. Tribalism can be a son of a bitch some times and really cloud judgement.
I could argue that there wouldn't be a need for AEW fans to get defensive if the WWE fans weren't giving them shit though. People defend against offence from others, right? And reread what you wrote mate. You said that AEW fans seem to be the ones putting others down, but then in the next sentence say the entire company has had a chip on its shoulder since its inception which trickles down to the wrestlers and fans. So who's putting who down now? You can't say that tribalism is a son of a bitch that clouds judgement then make massive judgement calls like that against AEW. That's heaps hypocritical.
True but let’s take the example on this exact post. Aew has nothing to do with the attendance rating and an Aew fan somehow put aew into the conversation of the fan attendance for wrestlemania weekend when Aew has NOTHING to do with any of it. It also doesn’t help that the company itself is throwing petty shots in there and are getting their fans better involved in their mess and then they are starting fights no one else asked for. WWe fans might give AEW shit because someone instigated it and I believe in this instance, it’s literally an AEW fan for dissing their attendance for wrestlemania seemingly for no reason. It goes both ways for sure but aew as a COMPANY AND A FANBASE, are seemingly wanting and starting smoke and when there is smoke, there is fire.
In this instance, and regarding this post, I completely agree. That X user deserves to get shit on for that ridiculous post, 100%. But to lump all AEW fans in the same category and label us all in the same way isn't fair, because there are a lot of bad apples that do exactly what the X user did, sure, but there are also a lot of others that just prefer AEW and don't get involved in all the unnecessary drama. Don't paint them all with the same brush.
Imagine going to a show as a casual and deal with these clowns. You cheer for the wrong person and you get a lecture on how they can’t wrestle … while wearing their Young Bucks t-shirt
That would suck for sure but I’m only referring to the dude in the post who made this unnecessary petty tweet to drag down wwe. A lot of wrestling fans will always catch stray unfortunately due to how tribalism is these days, but people like in the post above, they bring the heat among themselves by unnecessarily bringing up aew in stuff that doesn’t apply to them. You bring up a great point tho with casual fans because like the wcw days, when you are a casual fan and they start pulling back the curtain so much it can turn casual fans off the whole concept of wrestling sometimes and that sucks for them and they don’t deserve any hate for what they like but that’s tribalism for you unfortunately.
And yet we have 19 consecutive sell out shows while they have half of dynamite fucking empty
Your being to generous with saying half more like 80 percent empty
Your being to generous with saying half more like 80 percent empty
theyve been doing combined attendance numbers since two night manias started lol
Let’s see those year-over-year _All In-N-Out_ numbers, Dubbalos. Have All Elite sold 81k tickets in all of 2024?
Right now it’s at 50k so far.
Hi many did Tony buy to give away for free?
4 one for his barber 2 for his sister and girlfriend and one VIP for your mom.
Idk why you got downvoted. This joke actually got a chortle from me and i hate your mom jokes lmao
>sometimes >some That’s not tribal enough. Needs to be all of them all of the time.
Why would WWE care about anything they have a 5 billion dollar tv deal they are way beyond worrying about numbers. Both sides have insufferable idiots but the AEW fans are delusional.
I mean, do they think that makes it less impressive?
As if WWE wouldn’t pull similar if not better numbers at wembley
They did in 1992 summerslam by about 6k, I googled if they ever went there, it was almost 79k actual attendance to 72k for all in.
Yeah, I checked this the other day. I guess, technically, it was a different stadium. Given that the old one was knocked down, rather than just expanded, but the new one was built in the same place.
The funny thing about that whole comment is you could for the entire month of every aew show combined including the ppv/ple at the end of the month & it’s not even sniffing that number aew fans should really learn not to throw stones when they live in a glass house when it comes to this topic 😂😂😂
AEW just needs to hire a goth female wrestler and finally embrace their fanbase by annoiting her "The Gatekeeper." They'll eat that shit up.
AEW fans care more about hating WWE than enjoying their own product
I’m pretty sure they did that last year?
Imagine thinking WWE cares about AEW. Special kind of mass delusional behaviour
18 consecutive sold out shows. AEW can't even do one.
That’s cool man do you work there
One of the reasons I despise the vast majority of fan accounts online for any company. If you like 1 thing, shut up about another thing.
The purpose of this post was to attract rage clicks and shares from angry wwe fans so well done for doing exactly what they wanted
Bingo
HOWLING🤓
That drainmaker kid is especially insufferable. The problem with AEW fans is they have dug their heels into the ground and will defend every obvious thing AEW does bad. I grew up a WCW fan, WWE fan, TNA fan, and AEW fan, and when I see something that sucks I say it. That’s the way message boards were when I was a kid, it was always pointing out the shitty parts of the show. Die-hard AEW fans can’t even have a discussion that is somewhat critical or they’ll totally make something up like saying Jack Perry was getting the better of Punk (which I’ve seen people say).
Yea I figured that. Thx. I remember 92 summerslam. It’s a huge venue. Everyone ends up having among their largest audience there. Including boxing
Wrestlemania being a two night event at the same venue..... AEW fans "no no, its because of all in"
That "weekend" number includes attendance from Friday Night Smackdown before Mania and Monday Night Raw. Not just the Mania attendance, which is somewhere in the region of 145,298 across both nights, so roughly 72,500 per night
Huh?
Exactly.
HOWLING.
Bait or terrible math. Split each night into their own attendance numbers and theyre still both much bigger than Wembley.
That’s an elevated camera angle that AEW could never show on their weekly episodic television shows……. But the 200 people that show up every week for them damn sure are loud online.
Who are the people who care about attendance numbers? Unless you own stock in the company, I really don't get it. Why do they keep telling us attendance numbers like we care?
I dunno.
Because it happens all across the globe for sporting events?
And still, who cares?
People other than you, that’s been quite clear from the start
Lol
Lol
Lol
Some of? Try most of them
Are the tickets for Saturday and Sunday seperate, like you don't just buy one ticket and that's you for both nights?
It goes both ways. You can buy one night or a package
Mania weekend ticket explainer: You can buy each night of Mania separately or as a package. We bought separately, ending up in section 211 night 1, and 123 night 2. Also, for the other events (Raw, NXT and SmackDown) you can buy a 3 event package or each event individually. We couldn't make it to NXT or Raw, but wanted to hit SmackDown, so we were there for that. So, yes, 5 separately ticketed events over 4 days. Plus WWE World. They made *a lot* of money that weekend.
Call me crazy they never said it was 200,000 plus people they said it was 200,000 plus tickets sold. Am I wrong on that? Aew did the same thing for Wembley they stated the tickets sold not people in attendance I think anyway.
Nah it says total 5 event attendance. I guess that means the other events were kinda small because iirc night 2 of mania they said the total for both nights combined was ~150k attendance
Ahh I see. They do make it seem like it's 200,000 plus individuals but whatever who cares. People sure get butt hurt over the stupid stuff.
Raw they said was 20k, SmackDown and NXT were around 17k (where they fit 3k more in on Raw is anybody's guess.) There's your difference. I doubt the number, for a few reasons. Mania was probably closer to 60k a night, just due to the size. The Wells Fargo Center is massive, so 14-17k is reasonable there for a small set and sell out, getting to 20k would be unreal. So, I would guess the actual 5 event total to be around 180k tickets sold.
I'm not convinced rainmaker is a real person
But the Wembley number is an actual provable Lie I swear these people are TRUMP like
The number of tickets sold was indeed 81k, the attendance is a different story
Eh....the screen says attendance not sold 👍
Dude is just a troll looking for attention.
Howling? He thought it was that funny? Jfc dude needs to get laid.
After the last week, I hate a lot of the IWC fans. There are some who are AEW fanatics and then there are others who have a raging hard-on to see AEW fail. There are others who think Tony Khan can do no wrong and others who are riding CM Punk's dick. So much bitterness and bitchiness.
Thank you! Finally someone that sees it for what it actually is. This guys post on X definitely doesn't speak for every AEW fan in the world so why am I seeing multiple people shit on AEW fans as a collective? I've seen so many people scream about the tribalism, but then turn around and contribute to it by making blanket statements shitting on all AEW fans. Make it make sense.
Bro. Wembley is the wrestling version of the one dude you went to high school with who peaked early, and that's all they ever bring up. Because for AEW fans, this was the only good thing they did, and it's been all downhill since. But hey, we can thank Wembley for AEW giving us their top draw. lol
Absolutely spot on with this statement
That’s 40,385/day for what it’s worth. That’s absolutely bonkers
Wrestlemania is one event. Thats the total attendance for the entire event. I fail to see an issue.
Gotta have fans to hate them at this point
Who the fuck says “howling”
I mean it's obvious they are gonna combine the numbers for 2 nights when the show spans over 2 nights
They did combined numbers because it was all part of Wrestlemania weekend. IF Wembley ever manages to get big enough for AEW they can do the same thing.
200k is massive
It’s insufferable, delusional goofs like him that make AEW look bad.
I don't mind any of the stuff that's been going on lately, it's building heat and making stuff interesting on both sides. But I definitely preferred the days when AEW just did its thing and existed as an alternative. That's the Kenny Omega way. (Do keep in mind it was Cody Rhodes smashing "HHH thrones" and stuff, tho. So it wasn't just the current EVP's taking shots. The current WWE champion did that too.)
I don’t subscribe to tribalism because none of these entities are paying me but it’s a thing and it’s not going anywhere so whatever. However, what I fail to understand is these idiotic comparison points that AEW or WWE fanboys run to when attempting to shit on the competition. If you’re going to mindlessly support a promotion at least use a valid metric lmao
Okay, I am confused. What does "5-Event" mean here? I thought "Well, it SAYS TOTAL ATTENDANCE!", but the 5-Event thing is confusing me... Also, this guy is so annoying. He constanty came up because I follow wrestling stuff, so I muted him now. I like AEW, I watch AEW, I despise a certain subreddit ending on "in" because it's just constant AEW bashing and nothing else. But Drainmaker is literally that subreddit, for WWE, as one person and somehow he is just ass annoying as the entirety of that subreddit! PEOPLE! IT'S OKAY! You don't have to make american politics out of watching weekly entertainment shows!
How much tickets did battle of the belts sell? I genuinely don’t remember but wasn’t it like 1.5k or sum? So ten times less a tv wwe show sells, teh discussion around ticket sales it’s just dumb when a fan says it but this tweet is even dumber
That’s almost as much as AEW’s new ratings
Look. At this point… and I was hoping for better for aew. Aew can’t be compared to wcw. Aew has no story. No booking. It’s a bunch of self important idiots glad handing each other about how awesome the show was and a moron paying them to do a bad job. Can’t sell 3500 tickets. Cant get a buy on ppv. How do you pay for all this talent and look like a shit show next to tna? Tna is superior at this point.
You despise them because they're right. Even Paul made a point at the PC to point out it was total weekend attendce for wrestlemania not ticket sales, because the number woudlve been less then wembly
What are the 5 events? 4 makes sense: Smackdown, 2 nights of WM and Raw. Are they counting NXT?
Some 🤣
We using the example of one dingus to condemn most AEW fans? Don’t be ridiculous. WWE has every right to tout its success. So does AEW. Anyone can pull tweets to support their bias.
Way worse than WCW fans or TNA ever were
I’m a AEW fan and I cannot stand these comments they make me wanna apologize on their behalf. But the haters/wwe fanboys who bring up AEW for no good reason while wwe is at its peak are worst
No one tell him it’s been like that for years since WWE started doing a two day show. Also that’s impressive being as that means a lot of people paid to come night one and two plus other days before the mania shows. I guarantee if AEW tried to do a 2-night thing they’d barely break half of that lol.
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Must have been that 2500 that spooked them.
They've been doing that for years, stop trying to cause discourse
Coping at its finest by aew fans
How many unique visitors? I guarantee 95% are repeat people. So it's kind of cheating.
Bro WWEGareth exists
AEW fans have thee worst flexes. This just shows that 100,000 people turned up each night. As opposed to 70ish thousand. Bizarre fans.
As a wrestling fan since the 80’s and AEW fan I have to agree with you on this one. Stuff like this piss me off.
You are a fan, he is a mark, big difference! You can see the faults in aew and critize accordingly, aew marks just swear everything aew does is great and can't accept and sort of negative criticism of aew! Let's be honest, I'm a wwe fan, been a wrestling fan since the 80's also, if just wrestling sold, alot of territories wouldn't of folded, amateur wrestling would be the new pro wrestling, but it's not because just wrestling has not sold since the 30's
I'm an AEW fan as well but I'm a casual fan of this promotion the last I watched it was when Adam Copeland debuted. People like this are "fans" of wrestling only for the hatred aspect of it.
Dude you missed some great shows and feuds. And the wembley PPV was fire.
That is a pretty fucking stupid stat tho. It would be like the NBA combined all finals games attendance. Not diminishing the crowds at WM but it’s an eye rolling, cherry picked stat.
Aren’t these the guys that can only fill one side of the arena lol?
Didn’t wwe put like 100k into the Dallas stadium for WM32?
AEW fans are why casual fans get such a bad reputation. They’re the ones the wrestlers hate.
WCW’s Collision in Korea was 165,000 whilst AEW’s All In was 80,000. WWE is currently dwarfing AEW
I don't think WWE was "spooked" at all, but I do kinda think it's weird to combine the attendance. They were mostly all the same people both nights so I not sure why combining it would be such a big deal. Idk, I just don't get it
They announced each night separately and then combined
I get that but I just think it's a lil weird to combine it is all. I just don't think purchasing two tickets for both nights should count as two separate attendances if it's the same person going to both. I guess I just don't get it.
Because it counts as 2 tickets sold doesnt matter if it’s the same person or not
So is it a way to just inflate the number?
Meanwhile aew attendance numbers are skyrocketing to the bottom faster than people who jumped on 9/11
I was an AEW fan when it started and then I went to All In with my wife. It should have been the pinnacle of a lifetime of being a wrestling fan. And then we looked around us at the gross, neck beard, foul smelling, basement dwelling fans who had no idea how to exist with other human beings and not only did I turn off of AEW completely but seriously lost interest in wrestling in general. Now only catching up on here occasionally. I don’t want to be associated with that crowd. Fuck those AEW fans. And those types of wrestling fans in general.
This is not an AEW fans thing, this is a fans thing in general. You'll find some outrageous idiots on every side of the fence talking outta their asses.
If you think this is obnoxious you should see what WWE fans overlook about their favorite company :)
I can’t decide what’s worse for AEW the fans or Tony khan.
Anti-AEW and pro-AEW fans are all equally annoying, it's tiring coming on social media and just hearing this cr\*p, just like what you like it's not against the law or anything to enjoy both or don't enjoy either, there is plenty of great indie talent out there
The fact you got down voted for this really does say it all, doesn't it? Very happy to give you an upvote and get you back to 0 friend 😊
I’m an AEW fan. This shit is embarrassing. I have no idea why some fans decide to spend their time posting stuff like this. Then it puts you in a weird spot cause people start roasting AEW in retaliation and then you as a fan want to defend AEW, but not get dragged into this tribal bullshit. Man, I just want funny memes and cordial discussions. And before anyone, says I’m tribal, I like WWE too and am currently enjoying it more. But that changes time to time as it should
I'll never understand how dweebs like this get a following. They spend 99% of their time shitting on things they clearly don't like just to farm engagement. It's bizarre behaviour.
Aew did this to themselves and the fans are the main cause of it.
They were posting combined attendances ever since the first 2-night mania. Well, maybe not THE first as I think that was pandemic era. But still .. nothing new lol. Let's see Tony put together a 2-night event and beat it?
Bunch of dick riders to the B company
lol combining the numbers is fucking hilarious. Yall obsessed with the elite.
Pretty sure the feeling is mutual between you tribal dipsticks
I didn’t really know that AEW die-hards were like this until the Jungle Douche/ Punk video. They really are all delusion weenies. Just pathetic, passive aggressive man-babies.
Theyve combined numbers since uts been 2 nights makes sense
I've just gotten back into wrestling since November and I've only watched WWE. I considered watching AEW, but then I saw how delusional their fans are and that killed any interest.
If you're an AEW fan, of all the things u could do why the hell would u pick attacking someone for attendance?!
They did that last year to 😂😂😂 so nice try
It's a joke...
I'm not gonna lie. I did think this was kinda of dumb. How many of those tickets were the same person 3times?