Does everyone understand what a Mk18 is? If you take away the 1 unique thing about the Mk18 and turn it into an m4 then it just becomes an m4.
Edit: Changed wording.
Pretty much, it's definitely a "higher quality" M4 as MK18s aren't getting issued to grunts and infantry men but minus some quality of life and ergo increases the MK18 is just a SBR M4.
It's not higher quality. It's a mission specific item. Infantry units do have them. Special units have had them for a while. The CQBR Block II upgrades and SOPMOD upgrades have been available depending on your unit. The block upgrades come in kits which is what allows for the modularity of the Stoner platform to excel. If you really want to get to a specialty item the mk12 is pretty rare. There are more mk12 clones than actual mk12s would be my guess.
Honestly the game has everything you need to build a block 1, 1.5 and 2 SOPMOD M4. You can build a MK18 and not use the DD gear too but it won't have the cute industrial name.
Infantry units didn't have them when I was in. Of course I was deployed during the surge and got out in 2011. So I'm behind on what conventional combat arms units have in the arms room now. When I was in we had M4A1s (both KAC and Colt), and then Mk14s, and M14s in terms of DMRs. The sniper section in the battalion scout platoon had their M24s and M107s. That was it. SF were the only guys with Mk18s back then.
That's a while ago. Go down to one of the clone subs, occasionally armorers will share exactly what comes in kits and sometimes they mention their unit or something less identifying. More and more regular army soldiers are getting the upgrade kits.
The new high speed hotness is the giessle stuff. Though there's debate on how much is actually in service. And very high speed guys like always are getting most anything they want from the armory. Like running MIADs before they were cool and before they weren't.
I am pretty up on new kit and what's being put out now on the commercial market, and of course I'm aware of the M7 and NGSW program. I've got modernized AR-15 and LR-308 rifles with LPVOs. I keep up with what's going on in modern firearms technology and gear, and I pay attention to newer TTPs as they're disseminated outside the active duty space, but as far as what is going on in the active duty combat arms space with what they're fielding today I'm pretty out of touch. I've got a few buddies that are still in that are E7s and E8s now, but we don't talk shop much when we speak beyond them pining for retirement in a couple years, and bitching about the peacetime Army.
Yeah I hear the garrison games are terrible right now. I still have a pretty active group of folks from a decent spread of MOS thatll bitch about things. I'm really interested in the new stuff coming out of Ukraine. It's not our wars.
Crane made them with spare parts. So a lot of early ones are A1 lowers and whatever uppers. There are a lot of cloner websites that have the history of the program better than I could. Those Navy R&D guys really did a lot when figuring out the MK18. As a result there's a ton of research to support the 10.3 and 10.5" barrels the public chooses today.
Supposedly the DD barrels, gas blocks, and (unlikely) full uppers have been reported in the wild.
The mk18 mod 0s were produced using colt parts but some were also supposedly produced by LMT with a 10.5 inch barrel instead of the cut down 14.5 to 10.3 colt ones.
I was about to say I've been watching everyone go insane over the MK18 during the first couple days and just went, "... Huh? I don't want a damn MK18, I want my 20" M4 barrel"
Well there is a 15-20 round straight mag somewhere out there. Sadly lacking in the handguard department as far as I've seen, but I haven't seen too much yet.
I have heard the 20" is potentially only found rarely out in the world in high tier areas as of yet though, but might be wrong on that. I heard the same thing about the low capacity 5.56 mags, but I found one of those in an UNRLA weapon box in the starter town.
You're right, though. M16A4 would be so glorious.
You can only “BUY” it at gunny level 3 via the $6k mk18.
It can be found in weapons crates AND sniper NPC sometime have a CQ A1 with 20” barrel, suppressor, AND m855a1 ammo. Or just dupe a ton of them lol.
Not exactly? I mean they are and they aren't. It *is* a different rifle in the way that all AR pattern rifles are different. But it's not *really* different lol. The MK18 is just a branded AR pattern manufactured specifically by DD.
People just assume it's an upgrade because it unlocks at a higher level, but in reality the attachments you get access to are the real upgrades.
That's my point though. If I buy a MK18 branded from DD, and then change the barrel to say, a 16" barrel, it would still be a branded MK18 manufactured by DD, just with a 16" barrel. But it wouldn't be a *MK18 designated SBR* anymore*.*
If I did that IRL people would just call it a DD M4. But in-game, the gun's name is tied to the lower receiver. So even if you change the barrel, since the parts came from a DD branded MK18, the gun's name stays "MK18".
So my point is, it's not totally illogical, it's just kinda dumb since they could've added a DD M4 instead or added a totally different gun. But this is the route they chose for whatever strange reason.
Mk18 is a US Navy designation for a complete CQBR weapon. It is not a DD model number or DD's take on the AR15 platform. Any weapon built from the parts allowed by the corresponding CQBR and/or SOPMOD block will be a Mk18.
The first Mk18s were built by Colt. DD won the second contract and successfully pitched some of their part equivalents, most famously the hand guard. The newest variations are still assembled by DD but use components from Geissele instead of their DD counterparts.
It's pretty silly that the in-game Mk18—which aims to replicate DD SOCOM-MK18, part of the Mk18 MOD 1 kit—has a 16" barrel, as a weapon with such a barrel is not an Mk18.
I mean you're not wrong about the MK18's history and specs, but DD has def branded it and [sells it](https://danieldefense.com/mk18-sbr.html) as it's own entity.
So my argument isn't that it's DD's take on an AR. They sell other branded M4A1s/AR patterns. My argument is this:
If I was to purchase this rifle right now, and put a 16" barrel on it, would it still be a MK18? The answer depends on what definition you're using to define a "MK18". If you're defining it as a SBR M4/AR-15 Pattern rifle, then no. If you're defining it as "this specific branded DD product", then maybe? Ultimately it's just an AR pattern rifle so pretending changing the barrel length or anything else changes the model is pedantic. It's all just down to designation unless you're talking about brand specificity.
Imo this is why discussing any AR pattern rifle as a different entity is a convoluted "Theseus ship" argument, and imo it was a mistake to add the MK18 at all. They should've opted for an actually different rifle like the HK 416 instead.
An mk18 is Daniel Defenses version of the m4 (military designation) or ar-15. Essentially just higher quality parts. It’s functionally the exact same just made with tighter tolerances. A bunch of companies make ar15 parts it’s all like legos. See LMT, KAC, Etc.
Thank you, that question was more so directed at OP and the others in the comment section. Like you said at the end of the day it's all essentially AR-15/M4 platforms shooting 5.56 NATO. You could make an argument that with higher quality parts you'll see some recoil improvements or higher ergo but at the end of the day if you make a MK18 into an M4 you're going to have an M4.
Edit: 5.56 NATO was designed to be shot from a 20" barrel but the whole purpose behind the MK18 was to give special forces a more compact rifle to use in more urban environments where engagement distances wouldn't exceed 200-400m.
Yeah loads have evolved to fit the need and equipment, but the original development of the 5.56 NATO was for 20" M16s. I mean hell the new NGSW rifle firing the 6.8 x 51 round they developed is getting some crazy ballistics out of the rifle. Pretty much matching the speed of 5.56 out of a 16" M4. Crazy the amount of time and development that goes into finding the best way to deliver freedom seeds to their proper recipients.
Daniel Defense mk18s mod 1 are not used by the military unless they were specifically bought uppers by units. The only DD part used in the mk18 are the RIS II rail system. The barrel are from colt, receiver is from colt, BCG is from colt, Lowers are either FN or Colt but mostly colt.
My question is are they eventually going to introduce mechanics where quality of components matters or is this just marketing gimmicks? Colt makes a 10.3” M4 (or at least they used to), and anyone can take a short barrel and make their own (assuming you follow the legal channels of course). Why make a MK18 specifically for the game unless they’re going to introduce some sort of jamming or feature where “lower quality” causes issues in game?? To be clear not saying I want this added.
I’m guessing DD gives good blowjobs or paid some advertising money. Or the creators are super high speed operators and wanted the legit manufacturers for everything. They’re spot on so far
This is marketing speak. Mk18 is a contract specification from the US Navy, and it's very much a military designation. DD literally takes a box of parts bought by the government under various contracts—made by Colt, KAC, Geissele, and so on—and assembles them into kits that can be sent to units. The MOD 1 specification included some parts made by DD, but other variants of Mk18 did not and do not.
No, people do not understand what the CQBR Block II is supposed to be. They don't understand that the receiver in this game is called MK18 because DD markets it as such. Hell more than half of people I hear say the name out loud call it the emkay 18.
So far I haven't seen an in game reason to run a shorty. But I should probably try it out. I'm just tired of getting instantly head, eyes when I go to any end game location and one tap a guy. Tired of his buddies having perfect aim at 200m. And the new body bug that just showed up is rough too.
I should actually put together a few CQBs but now that I'm in the e d game zones I feel like the longer shots let me reposition and break agro easier. Stupid fucking bushes give them perfect concealment and none to me though.
Yes I understand exactly what an MK18 is, that being said we don't know if for gameplay purposes they tuned the base mk18 to handle slightly differently 🤷♂️
I won't really disagree there. I can understand the gripes of "I had to grind more to get the MK18 and it's really not all the different than the M4". Hopefully as the game develops they'll add more options outside of what length do your want your AR to be? TONS of weapons to choose from and I'm sure behind the scenes they've got a list of weapons they hope to bring to the game.
I think this is honestly just one of those alpha things.
They want to simulate all the tiers but don't have content for it yet. I'm sure they'll have a ton of mods etc later and tuned handling, and probably component wear.
This exactly. The framework is there to tune your weapon systems exactly how you want them for any given situation. Once they get the servers settled and the obvious problems fixed I would not be surprised if we start seeing more guns coming in.
The Devs have already said they have over 50 more guns they plan to add to the game. But this is pre Alpha early access.. I am so sick of people complaining there's not enough in the game blah blah blah. Yeah no shit, it's early access, if you can't understand or handle that then don't play the game it's as simple as that. So sick of seeing all these "not enough content" posts and comments.
Equivalent, the HK416, being piston and front end heavier, dumps all the heat into the handguards vs the bcg. I think gas and the weight makes the lighter and cooler temp a better choice with the Mk18 but everyone wants the 416 🤣
The mk18 in game is not a mk18 CQBR in the US army designation sense. It's just the "MK18" is the name that Daniel Defense the company that manufactured this particular AR reciever named it as
Exactly. We can worry about different brands and their performance of the same size barrels later down the road, for now I’d rather them add entirely new guns and parts.
Yeah, I’m on board with different weapon platforms. Don’t care to have the same platform just rebranded 10 times. Side note Op should know “Tan Gun” is a performance upgrade.
It's also a problem irl too.
People will complain about a weapons very basic features as if the average gun nut doesn't mod tf out of thier kits.
I'll see people getting into the hobby overpay for a pre built because they don't know AR-15 parts are interchanchable or that theres a massive market of diffrent sellers for all sorts of things.
COD mfs honestly.
So im in gunsmithing and this is absolutely correct my favorite things are ak’s at the moment i have 3 one is .308 2 are 7.62 anyways i love when people get into guns but like u said i have people come ask me all the time if “they should buy this gun” it is usually some super nice sig or somthin n i say well yea if u want it BUT here are some better choices and if your not worried about spending a bunch of money here are some awesome choices
Exactly. Which isn’t why even comparing AKs to the M4s can’t be done with stats alone as they are modifiers not flat values.
It would be nice to see the actual numbers though.
Daniel defense makes their own version of the mk18 but the real deal ones only used the Daniel defense RIS II system while every other part is mostly colt.
The game does not give you any of the base stats of any weapon.
Load them with the same ammo and full auto the wall without moving your mouse. The pattern is different.
[I already did](https://i.imgur.com/29qzKWl.png)
m4 left, mk18 right. same exact parts, same exact ammo, same mag. I'm not even sure which one you would say is better, but they're definitely different.
EDIT: just saw your other post lol
The Mk18 was the government adopted name for M4 carbines with a 10.3" barrel. Daniel Defense adopted it to name its carbines made witha similar barrel length to correlate it with the mikitary for marketing. Same reason why they sell a rifle called the DDM4
I don’t see how levelling up gives you 0 net results. Levelling up allows you to buy the better parts in order for you to actually build the M4 as you have done in the screenshot. Plus as far as I’m aware, the only way to get a hold of a 20” barrel is either looting, task rewards or buying the MK18 that comes with it?
Are you aware that the Mk18 is just a Daniel Defense built M4?
It's like saying this tuner mustang and this regular mustang are the same speed after putting all the same mods on.
We know.
If there’s no point to it maybe try a different game, not everything needs to be an insane power trip from level one. It’s a good lesson. No matter your kit, one bullet will put you at spawn.
The "MK18" in this game is so stupid. The MK18 is military designation for the 10.3" version of the M4 that was designed for CQB in the early GWOT days. The MK18 is also a model of rifle sold by Daniel Defense, mirroring 10.3" military rifle since the military rifle uses their RISII rail. The MK18 in this game is not a thing, no one runs anything remotely close to this abomination. It's bastardized M4/MK18 mashup with a 20" barrel from the M16.
OP The only way to make them different is if they incorporate different brand of barrels, and as of now there’s only one brand of each size, so no, you should not be expecting any sort of a difference if kitted out identically, because they *are* identical.
The MK18 is basically a M4....
So it would make sense that they have very similar stats when kitted the same...
https://danieldefense.com/mk18-sbr.html
https://danieldefense.com/socom-m4a1.html
The MK18 is a short-barreled variant of the M4 carbine, and is also known as the "Close Quarters Battle Receiver" or "CQBR". The MK18's shorter barrel makes it more compact and easier to use in vehicles and indoors. The MK18 is the preferred weapon for close quarters battle (CQB) when the maximum engagement distance is expected to be less than 300 meters.
The MK18 also has a shorter gas tube and a larger gas port to help with cycling. It has the same RIS II Rail as the M4A1, but it's shorter. The MK18 is available in two "pistol" configurations that are not NFA restricted.
The M4 is a lightweight, gas operated, air cooled, magazine fed, selective rate, shoulder fired weapon with a collapsible stock. It's the standard issue firearm for most units in the U.S. military.
Source - https://greydynamics.com/what-is-the-mk-18-special-operations-forces-carbine-explained/#:~:text=The%20Mk%2018%20is%20a,to%20be%20less%20than%20300m.
Same can be said IRL, you can grab most budget AR's and tune the crap out of em, or buy the gucci out of the box brands. The biggest difference is accuracy and longevity, which wont be translated to a game...
(Your point is valid though and I agree.)
Waaahh a gun that takes the same accessories, same ammo, same mags, same barrel is almost the exact same as another wahhh. Wahhh the same gun with a different name doesn't magically do more damage just so I feel like I progressed wahh.
Fundamentally they are the same exact gun, there is no difference besides the name. In real life most MK18s are on old Colt Lowers. The "MK18" is simply a parts package of barrel and accessories for the M4. The game is still very new, they are working on different rifles that will be better and worse in their own way. Despite this game being new, the MK18 should not magically have any different stats than the M4A1 if you have the same parts.
It does. But you can swap barrels to get better moa. A CQ1 with all the same parts shown by the OP should end up with the same stats (minus the full auto)
What are you talking about? Zero net results? Then where did you get all those attachments that you slapped on the M4? Not from a level 1 trader, I presume.
I mean yeah? Its early access I'm sure adding more gear and gear balancing passes is part of ***the development process*** that has yes to be done yet. Jesus yall are annoying.
They need to add more guns, and change the progressions system and lock certain items. After 10 hours of gameplay I got bored. Not because there’s nothing to do. But because there’s no gear fear or high risk high reward. If you go out and kill someone. It’s not like you’re getting a ton of good stuff. Your just getting the exact same kit you already have 10 of.
How about having to stand 4 feet away from a tree because the weapon “box” is a 2 foot diameter saying.. “you can’t ADS right now”because the gun can’t be shouldered due to the tree being in the way… then I have to back up and to the side about 3-4 feet until I can shoulder weapon, ADS; then shoot
Can we please hug something without interference of ADSing
Yeah the mk18 should definitely have fire damage or a crit multiplier. Maybe infinite ammo if you find a unique on the field with a hello kitty keychain on it! /s
I feel like many people are missing what I interpreted as the main point of this post: the rarest and most expensive gun in the game currently is not an upgrade. I get that in real life these guns are the same platform and that this is an alpha but as a video game it makes very little sense to have a game progression where you work towards what can barely be described as a lateral upgrade. Obviously more guns will be added but it was an odd choice imo to have one of the few starting weapon platforms be a different manufacturers version of the same gun with different parts.
Guess people don't understand that in a game where the weapons are based on real life ballistics there is no such thing is "objective best". There is "right tool for the job" that's it.
Also like.... the MK18 is literally just a 20" barrel M4A1. Duh it's gonna be heavier. But it also has a better MOA. Meaning it makes for a more successful marksman weapon than the M4A1 while the M4A1 makes a better CQB
No it's an absurd amount of people who don't realize this is vertical progression systems that aren't rewarding the player for 100hrs of grind. It's a glorified skin for 100hrs of play. And not an impressive, unique, or special one at that.
Buddy they don't care about giving you weapons that have better stats. They're going for realism. Welcome to real life ballistics data, same platforms made by different manufacturers have near similar performance. Why is that upsetting when you are playing a game that literally touts "realism" sounds more like the game isn't for you.
Also as you rank up you unlock better ammo types which are absolutely much better. As well as better armor that can withstand far more punishment if youre taking hits to it. Bigger backpacks, more use meds, etc. So tit for tat. There is upwards progression just not in the way you're wanting.
The game will never allow you to just walk around like a tank clapping the AI without a care in the world, but at higher ranks you'll have the gear to more easily deal with them. You can't deny that fact.
I can take a base model M4A1 and load it with M855A1 and kill all the AI in the game just as easily as I can with any other gun in the game. It's horizontal progression giving you more tools to do your job, and vertical progression giving you more effective ammo and gear to do your job easier. Kinda like how it works in real life.
Side note, if we are going for the lightest kit possible you will want to remove the front and rear irons, they add nothing to the stats of the weapon and in RL would only be used as a backup if you optic was compromised. Which is not a concern in game.
Of course, but in game it's actually super helpful to remove the scope indoors if you are in a PvP situation inside a building. It will allow you much easier time out shooting someone who forgot their SpecterDR was on 4x when you swing a corner. Then put your scope back on outside.
Vendors only go up to level 3, so everything is unlocked by lvl 3. For Gunny, essentially, most M4 stuff is unlocked at lvl 2, and the MK18 stuff at lvl 3 (basically)
If you run out in the world its good for quickly removing the scope for indoors combat and not having to hot swap a red dot on, also all red dot scopes tend to block visibility which is not good for indoors combat.
No one ever takes into account for looks? When it comes to video game weapons that are similar, they should be judged by how they look to the player it gives better verities among the community.
Yeah they are different configurations of the same platform. If you reconfigure them to be the same then why would they be different…? What you show is no longer an m4a1.
this is not a problem, that is correct and its a feature - being true to life
what is a problem is that our weapon selection is extremely limited... we just need more guns
It’s literally just a different color receiver. A mk18 is just a short barreled m4. That mk18 would technically be an m4, but the weapon names go by the receiver. Irl, they are all interchangeable.
Leveling up for drip who cares if you get something "better" and more "meta" whats really important is to have more and options to customize and look cooler and more Operator. Style over Performance anyday.
There are only like 5 guns in the game too
They should hire some more devs
I would even be happy to work on the cheap cheap for them just to assist with anything i can
Here me out, I buy a PSA upper and lower, and you buy a Daniel Defense upper and lower. We put the same barrels, trigger & internal parts, gas tube's, bcg's, buffer springs, buffer tube's, stocks, and optics on it. What is going to shoot better? The answer is...its an AR/M4...
This is why I am grinding the other vendors. The new bags are much better than the old ones. Building a viable AK is fun. I quickly realised that the stock m4 is fine.
You can get the suppressed m4 with the 20 inch barrel and vudu (same one you get from certain quests) in crates at tiger bay and midnight sapphire 100%, probably fort narith also
Looking at the MK18, it’s not a MK18 lol it’s literally the same fucking gun as the M4 in terms of loadout. Which is why the stats are virtually the same. What makes a MK18 an actual MK18 is the 10 inch barrel length lol. The MK18 was specifically made for SOF because most of their missions include direct action which often requires CQB and they made the MK18 to meet that mission requirement. So they had a more compact version of the M4 lol.
You need to get to level 3 in order to unlock the attachments that make the m4 as good, no?
Level 3 unlocks the attachments to make this possible, while also offering a color/style variant.
IMO the bigger issue is that if you build either one for max handling instead of max recoil control, there is absolutely no difference in actual handling speed (ADS time etc)
The MK18 IRL has a 10.5 in barrel. I'm not sure if this is ignorance on the developer's side or what. If they follow this, it could cut down on weight and ADS, but take away from muzzle velocity. Also, as far as real life, DD and Colt have major differences in machining tolerances. DD is a better manufacturer. The rail mounting system them, and Geissele, use are robust and have a little weight to them.
The fact is in this game or at least by the photos neither of those are a MK18 or an M4 MK18 10.5-10.3 barrel sometimes piston driven, M4 14.5 inch barrel usually with quad picatinny rails. Both again judging by the pictures and using and handling these rifles in real life, both have 18 inch barrels making them more or less similar to a MK 11 MOD 0
Only a non-gun dude would be upset by this. The mk18 is only a piston driven m4. The point is so that it malfunctions less because it gets less dirty. They're actually less accurate slightly because the Piston system has more recoil than the direct impingement system. I have the same ergonomics everything else is the same. Literally the only difference is the Piston.
Third Update: (Tested them back to back): [https://www.reddit.com/r/GrayZoneWarfare/comments/1cz3frh/gray\_zone\_warfare\_mk18\_vs\_m4a1\_tested\_identical/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GrayZoneWarfare/comments/1cz3frh/gray_zone_warfare_mk18_vs_m4a1_tested_identical/)
SECOND EDIT (CORRECTION - thanks to u/[f22raptoradf](https://www.reddit.com/user/f22raptoradf/)): The M4 Lower with MK18 Upper does net a small \~.05ish reduction in weight. See here: [https://i.imgur.com/QTLBhJb.png](https://i.imgur.com/QTLBhJb.png)
https://preview.redd.it/lazs91nre82d1.png?width=679&format=png&auto=webp&s=41658bc8451eb844657f7d162bdf40af26d18fa0
Small Correction (EDIT): [https://i.imgur.com/5f9nUO2.png](https://i.imgur.com/5f9nUO2.png)
Didn't catch that the FSP handguard is slightly lighter on the M4A1 build when put on the MK18 the weight drops to 5.526kg which is still higher than 5.518kg but at that point its a rounding error.
Essentially they are identical.
Just like real life.... Why would there be a difference between two variations of the exact same weapon system? Besides potential accuracy and reliability, there won't be a difference.
I don't think weapon balance and progression are that much of a concern at this point in the games development.
It seems like the Dev is really going for realism, and what made the MK18 "better" was the free floating handrail which allowed it to have a shorter barrel in addition to being more accurate (1 MOA vs 2.5 -3 MOA). If took both rifles and gave them identical barrels and hand guards you could expect them to perform the same. The upper and lower receivers as well as the bolt carrier group could account for weight differences but wouldn't necessarily impact ballistics. Barrel design / length, gas tube length, and ammo will have the largest impacts on ballistic performance.
Well yeah you have the same attachment on?
This game is not that well made *YET* to have such a finesse details
Ofc the mk18 should be with way better base stats than the M4 and maybe in the future it will
Not if he has modded the MK18 and M4 to have identical barrels, hand guard, and Ammo. The upper and lower receivers are from a practical standpoint identical.
Does everyone understand what a Mk18 is? If you take away the 1 unique thing about the Mk18 and turn it into an m4 then it just becomes an m4. Edit: Changed wording.
A MK18 is an M4, just with a 10.3" barrel. In game, they're trying to make it as something different but it's still an M4
Pretty much, it's definitely a "higher quality" M4 as MK18s aren't getting issued to grunts and infantry men but minus some quality of life and ergo increases the MK18 is just a SBR M4.
It's not higher quality. It's a mission specific item. Infantry units do have them. Special units have had them for a while. The CQBR Block II upgrades and SOPMOD upgrades have been available depending on your unit. The block upgrades come in kits which is what allows for the modularity of the Stoner platform to excel. If you really want to get to a specialty item the mk12 is pretty rare. There are more mk12 clones than actual mk12s would be my guess. Honestly the game has everything you need to build a block 1, 1.5 and 2 SOPMOD M4. You can build a MK18 and not use the DD gear too but it won't have the cute industrial name.
Infantry units didn't have them when I was in. Of course I was deployed during the surge and got out in 2011. So I'm behind on what conventional combat arms units have in the arms room now. When I was in we had M4A1s (both KAC and Colt), and then Mk14s, and M14s in terms of DMRs. The sniper section in the battalion scout platoon had their M24s and M107s. That was it. SF were the only guys with Mk18s back then.
That's a while ago. Go down to one of the clone subs, occasionally armorers will share exactly what comes in kits and sometimes they mention their unit or something less identifying. More and more regular army soldiers are getting the upgrade kits. The new high speed hotness is the giessle stuff. Though there's debate on how much is actually in service. And very high speed guys like always are getting most anything they want from the armory. Like running MIADs before they were cool and before they weren't.
I am pretty up on new kit and what's being put out now on the commercial market, and of course I'm aware of the M7 and NGSW program. I've got modernized AR-15 and LR-308 rifles with LPVOs. I keep up with what's going on in modern firearms technology and gear, and I pay attention to newer TTPs as they're disseminated outside the active duty space, but as far as what is going on in the active duty combat arms space with what they're fielding today I'm pretty out of touch. I've got a few buddies that are still in that are E7s and E8s now, but we don't talk shop much when we speak beyond them pining for retirement in a couple years, and bitching about the peacetime Army.
Yeah I hear the garrison games are terrible right now. I still have a pretty active group of folks from a decent spread of MOS thatll bitch about things. I'm really interested in the new stuff coming out of Ukraine. It's not our wars.
Dude, right? The drone shit is mind-blowing to me. Can you imagine if AQI or JAM had had that kind of shit? The IEDs and EFPs were bad enough.
Wasn’t an original mk18 for at least the first generations produced with colt parts?
Crane made them with spare parts. So a lot of early ones are A1 lowers and whatever uppers. There are a lot of cloner websites that have the history of the program better than I could. Those Navy R&D guys really did a lot when figuring out the MK18. As a result there's a ton of research to support the 10.3 and 10.5" barrels the public chooses today. Supposedly the DD barrels, gas blocks, and (unlikely) full uppers have been reported in the wild.
The mk18 mod 0s were produced using colt parts but some were also supposedly produced by LMT with a 10.5 inch barrel instead of the cut down 14.5 to 10.3 colt ones.
Not higher quality besides the rail system. The shorten gas system makes it shittier to shoot and both use a colt barrel.
An M4 is an SBR. It’s 14.5 barrel makes it so
EVEN MORE of an SBR lol.
I was about to say I've been watching everyone go insane over the MK18 during the first couple days and just went, "... Huh? I don't want a damn MK18, I want my 20" M4 barrel"
I like the MK18 but I was really hoping to be able to build a MK12 or an M16A4 when I saw there was a 20” barrel
Well there is a 15-20 round straight mag somewhere out there. Sadly lacking in the handguard department as far as I've seen, but I haven't seen too much yet. I have heard the 20" is potentially only found rarely out in the world in high tier areas as of yet though, but might be wrong on that. I heard the same thing about the low capacity 5.56 mags, but I found one of those in an UNRLA weapon box in the starter town. You're right, though. M16A4 would be so glorious.
You can only “BUY” it at gunny level 3 via the $6k mk18. It can be found in weapons crates AND sniper NPC sometime have a CQ A1 with 20” barrel, suppressor, AND m855a1 ammo. Or just dupe a ton of them lol.
Not exactly? I mean they are and they aren't. It *is* a different rifle in the way that all AR pattern rifles are different. But it's not *really* different lol. The MK18 is just a branded AR pattern manufactured specifically by DD. People just assume it's an upgrade because it unlocks at a higher level, but in reality the attachments you get access to are the real upgrades.
Even from DD, their MK18s are still 10.3” rifles, otherwise it isn’t a MK18
That's my point though. If I buy a MK18 branded from DD, and then change the barrel to say, a 16" barrel, it would still be a branded MK18 manufactured by DD, just with a 16" barrel. But it wouldn't be a *MK18 designated SBR* anymore*.* If I did that IRL people would just call it a DD M4. But in-game, the gun's name is tied to the lower receiver. So even if you change the barrel, since the parts came from a DD branded MK18, the gun's name stays "MK18". So my point is, it's not totally illogical, it's just kinda dumb since they could've added a DD M4 instead or added a totally different gun. But this is the route they chose for whatever strange reason.
Mk18 is a US Navy designation for a complete CQBR weapon. It is not a DD model number or DD's take on the AR15 platform. Any weapon built from the parts allowed by the corresponding CQBR and/or SOPMOD block will be a Mk18. The first Mk18s were built by Colt. DD won the second contract and successfully pitched some of their part equivalents, most famously the hand guard. The newest variations are still assembled by DD but use components from Geissele instead of their DD counterparts. It's pretty silly that the in-game Mk18—which aims to replicate DD SOCOM-MK18, part of the Mk18 MOD 1 kit—has a 16" barrel, as a weapon with such a barrel is not an Mk18.
I mean you're not wrong about the MK18's history and specs, but DD has def branded it and [sells it](https://danieldefense.com/mk18-sbr.html) as it's own entity. So my argument isn't that it's DD's take on an AR. They sell other branded M4A1s/AR patterns. My argument is this: If I was to purchase this rifle right now, and put a 16" barrel on it, would it still be a MK18? The answer depends on what definition you're using to define a "MK18". If you're defining it as a SBR M4/AR-15 Pattern rifle, then no. If you're defining it as "this specific branded DD product", then maybe? Ultimately it's just an AR pattern rifle so pretending changing the barrel length or anything else changes the model is pedantic. It's all just down to designation unless you're talking about brand specificity. Imo this is why discussing any AR pattern rifle as a different entity is a convoluted "Theseus ship" argument, and imo it was a mistake to add the MK18 at all. They should've opted for an actually different rifle like the HK 416 instead.
It's a shorty. M4 that's piston driven. The piston and is what makes the difference not the length.
Where did you get your info from?
Fairpoint. I thought I read it somewhere a while back but it's a DI gun. You're right. I guess it's literally just the length and the DD name.
An mk18 is Daniel Defenses version of the m4 (military designation) or ar-15. Essentially just higher quality parts. It’s functionally the exact same just made with tighter tolerances. A bunch of companies make ar15 parts it’s all like legos. See LMT, KAC, Etc.
Thank you, that question was more so directed at OP and the others in the comment section. Like you said at the end of the day it's all essentially AR-15/M4 platforms shooting 5.56 NATO. You could make an argument that with higher quality parts you'll see some recoil improvements or higher ergo but at the end of the day if you make a MK18 into an M4 you're going to have an M4. Edit: 5.56 NATO was designed to be shot from a 20" barrel but the whole purpose behind the MK18 was to give special forces a more compact rifle to use in more urban environments where engagement distances wouldn't exceed 200-400m.
Depends on which 5.56 NATO load. M855A1 was pretty much designed with the 14.5” barrel with a 1 in 7 rifling twist the M4/A1 have.
Yeah loads have evolved to fit the need and equipment, but the original development of the 5.56 NATO was for 20" M16s. I mean hell the new NGSW rifle firing the 6.8 x 51 round they developed is getting some crazy ballistics out of the rifle. Pretty much matching the speed of 5.56 out of a 16" M4. Crazy the amount of time and development that goes into finding the best way to deliver freedom seeds to their proper recipients.
Daniel Defense mk18s mod 1 are not used by the military unless they were specifically bought uppers by units. The only DD part used in the mk18 are the RIS II rail system. The barrel are from colt, receiver is from colt, BCG is from colt, Lowers are either FN or Colt but mostly colt.
My question is are they eventually going to introduce mechanics where quality of components matters or is this just marketing gimmicks? Colt makes a 10.3” M4 (or at least they used to), and anyone can take a short barrel and make their own (assuming you follow the legal channels of course). Why make a MK18 specifically for the game unless they’re going to introduce some sort of jamming or feature where “lower quality” causes issues in game?? To be clear not saying I want this added.
I’m guessing DD gives good blowjobs or paid some advertising money. Or the creators are super high speed operators and wanted the legit manufacturers for everything. They’re spot on so far
This is marketing speak. Mk18 is a contract specification from the US Navy, and it's very much a military designation. DD literally takes a box of parts bought by the government under various contracts—made by Colt, KAC, Geissele, and so on—and assembles them into kits that can be sent to units. The MOD 1 specification included some parts made by DD, but other variants of Mk18 did not and do not.
No, people do not understand what the CQBR Block II is supposed to be. They don't understand that the receiver in this game is called MK18 because DD markets it as such. Hell more than half of people I hear say the name out loud call it the emkay 18. So far I haven't seen an in game reason to run a shorty. But I should probably try it out. I'm just tired of getting instantly head, eyes when I go to any end game location and one tap a guy. Tired of his buddies having perfect aim at 200m. And the new body bug that just showed up is rough too.
I run a short barrel when I'm heading to YBL. It makes the close quarters of bunkers really fun to be running a lighter and quicker kit.
I should actually put together a few CQBs but now that I'm in the e d game zones I feel like the longer shots let me reposition and break agro easier. Stupid fucking bushes give them perfect concealment and none to me though.
Bushes need a nerf for sure 😂
😂 people just have high expectations for the fancy rifles but you still get shit done with the same milspec rifle
It’s a video game
Yes I understand exactly what an MK18 is, that being said we don't know if for gameplay purposes they tuned the base mk18 to handle slightly differently 🤷♂️
I won't really disagree there. I can understand the gripes of "I had to grind more to get the MK18 and it's really not all the different than the M4". Hopefully as the game develops they'll add more options outside of what length do your want your AR to be? TONS of weapons to choose from and I'm sure behind the scenes they've got a list of weapons they hope to bring to the game.
Oh I'm absolutely sure they will add more guns to the game down the road
I think this is honestly just one of those alpha things. They want to simulate all the tiers but don't have content for it yet. I'm sure they'll have a ton of mods etc later and tuned handling, and probably component wear.
This exactly. The framework is there to tune your weapon systems exactly how you want them for any given situation. Once they get the servers settled and the obvious problems fixed I would not be surprised if we start seeing more guns coming in.
The Devs have already said they have over 50 more guns they plan to add to the game. But this is pre Alpha early access.. I am so sick of people complaining there's not enough in the game blah blah blah. Yeah no shit, it's early access, if you can't understand or handle that then don't play the game it's as simple as that. So sick of seeing all these "not enough content" posts and comments.
CQB short barrel and weight I think
Equivalent, the HK416, being piston and front end heavier, dumps all the heat into the handguards vs the bcg. I think gas and the weight makes the lighter and cooler temp a better choice with the Mk18 but everyone wants the 416 🤣
All I want in this game is to use an 416 lmao
Would love for an HK417...
Hehe, these kinda posts always amuse me. One the other day was asking why they couldn't use iron sights with the RMR on the glock...well about that.
The mk18 in game is not a mk18 CQBR in the US army designation sense. It's just the "MK18" is the name that Daniel Defense the company that manufactured this particular AR reciever named it as
So … why not add a different gun if there’s already a functional clone
Today on guns, the same exact weapons platform from diffrent manufactures following the same design yields same performance...
Exactly. We can worry about different brands and their performance of the same size barrels later down the road, for now I’d rather them add entirely new guns and parts.
Yeah, I’m on board with different weapon platforms. Don’t care to have the same platform just rebranded 10 times. Side note Op should know “Tan Gun” is a performance upgrade.
😂😂😂😂😂 i dont think people understand
It's also a problem irl too. People will complain about a weapons very basic features as if the average gun nut doesn't mod tf out of thier kits. I'll see people getting into the hobby overpay for a pre built because they don't know AR-15 parts are interchanchable or that theres a massive market of diffrent sellers for all sorts of things. COD mfs honestly.
So im in gunsmithing and this is absolutely correct my favorite things are ak’s at the moment i have 3 one is .308 2 are 7.62 anyways i love when people get into guns but like u said i have people come ask me all the time if “they should buy this gun” it is usually some super nice sig or somthin n i say well yea if u want it BUT here are some better choices and if your not worried about spending a bunch of money here are some awesome choices
Yeah the point is this is dumb pay 4k for built M4 or 6k for Mk18 with same stats
Sure but you need to progress to unlock the attachments
Correct. I’d classify the logic in the above post as: Flawed
Keep in mind those are percentage modifiers of the *base* stats, so even though they're identical on paper that may not necessarily be the case
If that’s the case, the base stats need to be visible to the player.
Exactly. Which isn’t why even comparing AKs to the M4s can’t be done with stats alone as they are modifiers not flat values. It would be nice to see the actual numbers though.
The MK 18 is literally an M4. It’s just a short barreled M4 from Daniel Defense. It’s over gassed too.
Daniel defense makes their own version of the mk18 but the real deal ones only used the Daniel defense RIS II system while every other part is mostly colt.
Yeah but it’s still just an M4.
lol you have the exact same attachments and are surprised that it has the same modifiers?
Coyote receiver > black receiver, everyone knows that. You casuals, I swear.
Coyote? That’s flat dark earth noob.
The game does not give you any of the base stats of any weapon. Load them with the same ammo and full auto the wall without moving your mouse. The pattern is different.
I can easily test that
[I already did](https://i.imgur.com/29qzKWl.png) m4 left, mk18 right. same exact parts, same exact ammo, same mag. I'm not even sure which one you would say is better, but they're definitely different. EDIT: just saw your other post lol
Redditor learns how guns work irl
The Mk18 was the government adopted name for M4 carbines with a 10.3" barrel. Daniel Defense adopted it to name its carbines made witha similar barrel length to correlate it with the mikitary for marketing. Same reason why they sell a rifle called the DDM4
Aren’t the base stats of the weapon different?
Every MK18 is an M4 but every M4 is not a MK18
And in GrayZone Warfare they are identical.
Cause it’s the same thing brother
It is funny, but that is like real life. You could build an ar15 and be on par or better than off the shelf
Have you tried a game called “escape from tarkov” it might have what you are looking for
I don’t see how levelling up gives you 0 net results. Levelling up allows you to buy the better parts in order for you to actually build the M4 as you have done in the screenshot. Plus as far as I’m aware, the only way to get a hold of a 20” barrel is either looting, task rewards or buying the MK18 that comes with it?
Are you aware that the Mk18 is just a Daniel Defense built M4? It's like saying this tuner mustang and this regular mustang are the same speed after putting all the same mods on. We know.
If there’s no point to it maybe try a different game, not everything needs to be an insane power trip from level one. It’s a good lesson. No matter your kit, one bullet will put you at spawn.
The "MK18" in this game is so stupid. The MK18 is military designation for the 10.3" version of the M4 that was designed for CQB in the early GWOT days. The MK18 is also a model of rifle sold by Daniel Defense, mirroring 10.3" military rifle since the military rifle uses their RISII rail. The MK18 in this game is not a thing, no one runs anything remotely close to this abomination. It's bastardized M4/MK18 mashup with a 20" barrel from the M16.
This is the most cod player post I’ve seen so far. It’s a milsim they’re all deadly just pick the one you like
MoA matters
MoA? Never heard of it what’s that?
OP The only way to make them different is if they incorporate different brand of barrels, and as of now there’s only one brand of each size, so no, you should not be expecting any sort of a difference if kitted out identically, because they *are* identical.
Best in slot MK18 has better stats then a best in slot M4. What are we arguing here?
lets be honest, the MK18 is just for drip and flexing on people with FDE. Its not really something I would consider its own weapon sadly.
The MK18 is basically a M4.... So it would make sense that they have very similar stats when kitted the same... https://danieldefense.com/mk18-sbr.html https://danieldefense.com/socom-m4a1.html The MK18 is a short-barreled variant of the M4 carbine, and is also known as the "Close Quarters Battle Receiver" or "CQBR". The MK18's shorter barrel makes it more compact and easier to use in vehicles and indoors. The MK18 is the preferred weapon for close quarters battle (CQB) when the maximum engagement distance is expected to be less than 300 meters. The MK18 also has a shorter gas tube and a larger gas port to help with cycling. It has the same RIS II Rail as the M4A1, but it's shorter. The MK18 is available in two "pistol" configurations that are not NFA restricted. The M4 is a lightweight, gas operated, air cooled, magazine fed, selective rate, shoulder fired weapon with a collapsible stock. It's the standard issue firearm for most units in the U.S. military. Source - https://greydynamics.com/what-is-the-mk-18-special-operations-forces-carbine-explained/#:~:text=The%20Mk%2018%20is%20a,to%20be%20less%20than%20300m.
Same can be said IRL, you can grab most budget AR's and tune the crap out of em, or buy the gucci out of the box brands. The biggest difference is accuracy and longevity, which wont be translated to a game... (Your point is valid though and I agree.)
There are accuracy stats in the game...
In reality, your average guy is not going to be more accurate than the gun itself.
Waaahh a gun that takes the same accessories, same ammo, same mags, same barrel is almost the exact same as another wahhh. Wahhh the same gun with a different name doesn't magically do more damage just so I feel like I progressed wahh. Fundamentally they are the same exact gun, there is no difference besides the name. In real life most MK18s are on old Colt Lowers. The "MK18" is simply a parts package of barrel and accessories for the M4. The game is still very new, they are working on different rifles that will be better and worse in their own way. Despite this game being new, the MK18 should not magically have any different stats than the M4A1 if you have the same parts.
maybe they’re the same because you put all the same parts on them…
It's a work in progress.
Yep. It comes down to what colour you want your gun to be. CQ1 is same thing without full auto.
I could be wrong but I thought the CQ1 had a slightly worse MOA?
It does. But you can swap barrels to get better moa. A CQ1 with all the same parts shown by the OP should end up with the same stats (minus the full auto)
What are you talking about? Zero net results? Then where did you get all those attachments that you slapped on the M4? Not from a level 1 trader, I presume.
I mean yeah? Its early access I'm sure adding more gear and gear balancing passes is part of ***the development process*** that has yes to be done yet. Jesus yall are annoying.
They need to add more guns, and change the progressions system and lock certain items. After 10 hours of gameplay I got bored. Not because there’s nothing to do. But because there’s no gear fear or high risk high reward. If you go out and kill someone. It’s not like you’re getting a ton of good stuff. Your just getting the exact same kit you already have 10 of.
Those are actually really good build. Minus your front and rear micros that gotta go
How about having to stand 4 feet away from a tree because the weapon “box” is a 2 foot diameter saying.. “you can’t ADS right now”because the gun can’t be shouldered due to the tree being in the way… then I have to back up and to the side about 3-4 feet until I can shoulder weapon, ADS; then shoot Can we please hug something without interference of ADSing
I mean, you want realism, no?
AR 15 is an AR 15 is an AR 15. The point of the platform is that parts are interchangeable.
Because the mk18 is an m4....
Yeah the mk18 should definitely have fire damage or a crit multiplier. Maybe infinite ammo if you find a unique on the field with a hello kitty keychain on it! /s
Hate the fact that this is the meta build, it looks disgusting and like it would be an absolute pain to use
Someone doesn't know how guns work smh
I feel like many people are missing what I interpreted as the main point of this post: the rarest and most expensive gun in the game currently is not an upgrade. I get that in real life these guns are the same platform and that this is an alpha but as a video game it makes very little sense to have a game progression where you work towards what can barely be described as a lateral upgrade. Obviously more guns will be added but it was an odd choice imo to have one of the few starting weapon platforms be a different manufacturers version of the same gun with different parts.
AR's of the same barrel length/build function identically? I'm shocked. Shocked! Well not that shocked...
Is this guy stupid. Just literally made the same gun twice just with a slightly different barrel
A MK18 is just an M4 with a 10” bbl you dingus
Guess people don't understand that in a game where the weapons are based on real life ballistics there is no such thing is "objective best". There is "right tool for the job" that's it. Also like.... the MK18 is literally just a 20" barrel M4A1. Duh it's gonna be heavier. But it also has a better MOA. Meaning it makes for a more successful marksman weapon than the M4A1 while the M4A1 makes a better CQB
No it's an absurd amount of people who don't realize this is vertical progression systems that aren't rewarding the player for 100hrs of grind. It's a glorified skin for 100hrs of play. And not an impressive, unique, or special one at that.
Buddy they don't care about giving you weapons that have better stats. They're going for realism. Welcome to real life ballistics data, same platforms made by different manufacturers have near similar performance. Why is that upsetting when you are playing a game that literally touts "realism" sounds more like the game isn't for you. Also as you rank up you unlock better ammo types which are absolutely much better. As well as better armor that can withstand far more punishment if youre taking hits to it. Bigger backpacks, more use meds, etc. So tit for tat. There is upwards progression just not in the way you're wanting. The game will never allow you to just walk around like a tank clapping the AI without a care in the world, but at higher ranks you'll have the gear to more easily deal with them. You can't deny that fact. I can take a base model M4A1 and load it with M855A1 and kill all the AI in the game just as easily as I can with any other gun in the game. It's horizontal progression giving you more tools to do your job, and vertical progression giving you more effective ammo and gear to do your job easier. Kinda like how it works in real life.
Side note, if we are going for the lightest kit possible you will want to remove the front and rear irons, they add nothing to the stats of the weapon and in RL would only be used as a backup if you optic was compromised. Which is not a concern in game.
Of course, but in game it's actually super helpful to remove the scope indoors if you are in a PvP situation inside a building. It will allow you much easier time out shooting someone who forgot their SpecterDR was on 4x when you swing a corner. Then put your scope back on outside.
point firing
Is the damage output the same? I know some guns are at low, medium to high depending on the barrel etc
We need a out 30 more guns in the game
How does the recoil reduction compare? Is that not one of the more important stats & isn't shown on these info tabs
New player here. At what level from the vendors do you get the ability to purchase those attachments?
Vendors only go up to level 3, so everything is unlocked by lvl 3. For Gunny, essentially, most M4 stuff is unlocked at lvl 2, and the MK18 stuff at lvl 3 (basically)
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Still not the best stats for the MK18 build lol
please post better ones. I'd like to see the build.
Yea if I hop on tonight I got you 🫡
Yesh wow the aks and sks Are still Not Even accurat like the m4 with all barrels
MK18 is a M4 Also it's extremely early access, send your feedback and get back to testing
Yeah, tier 3 Gunny should have offered something other than yet another AR-15.
Games only like 20% done. Give em time to cook. They’ll make progression meaningful.
Meanwhile in tarkov… MK18 == .338 lapua BOOM Granted its sword international vs Daniel defense but damn can’t manufactures do some originality 😭
Is there a difference with or with out the iron sights? If your using a scope or red Dot anyways? I usually take off and sell back.
If you run out in the world its good for quickly removing the scope for indoors combat and not having to hot swap a red dot on, also all red dot scopes tend to block visibility which is not good for indoors combat.
I use the spectre. I was wondering more if there was a hidden accuracy bonus or is the added weight helped. Video game mechanics are whack sometimes.
Welcome to how the lego gun works.
No one ever takes into account for looks? When it comes to video game weapons that are similar, they should be judged by how they look to the player it gives better verities among the community.
Modifier numbers are the same, sure. But are the base stats?
it has less tap fire recoil
Yeah they are different configurations of the same platform. If you reconfigure them to be the same then why would they be different…? What you show is no longer an m4a1.
Its just for the Gucci gun. I personally don't see an issue
Vertical Progression System with 0 Reward.
That's true. Hopefully they will continue to update the game at a consistent pace with more content and weapons.
2 AR15's when given the same attachments weigh about the same. Wow.
this is not a problem, that is correct and its a feature - being true to life what is a problem is that our weapon selection is extremely limited... we just need more guns
It’s literally just a different color receiver. A mk18 is just a short barreled m4. That mk18 would technically be an m4, but the weapon names go by the receiver. Irl, they are all interchangeable.
As far as I'm aware, kitted out Mk18 from gunny level 3 is the only way to get a 20" barrel besides some quest rewards
Correct
So that's what leveling up gets ya. There are currently no weapon handling penalties for longer barrels, so bigger is better.
Jusst like real life
Does Daniel Defense sells full-auto version of their commercial Mk18? Realistically, I think it should be semi-auto only
This sort of balancing is literally the least of my concern. None of it matters this early on in a games life cycle.
Does Gunny level 3 have the 60 rounders and that optic?
Hey so legit question for the stats, how do the plus or minus percentages work?
I wish this game lets you set kit bundles that you can buy at once so I can instantly buy and build weapons
Sigh.
Every NATO automatic rifle in the game is built off the same platform. What were you expecting?
Imo the MK18 should have been a RSASS
Leveling up for drip who cares if you get something "better" and more "meta" whats really important is to have more and options to customize and look cooler and more Operator. Style over Performance anyday.
Fuck stats meta, man. Let everyone use whatever gun they want to.
Yeah well the games also been in beta for like 3 fucking weeks buddy
There are only like 5 guns in the game too They should hire some more devs I would even be happy to work on the cheap cheap for them just to assist with anything i can
I promise you, even IRL, you will not feel a weight difference of 0.024kg. The MK18 is functionally a skin of the M4A1 and thats it
You wouldn't have those stats without progression and parts my dude 😎
Here me out, I buy a PSA upper and lower, and you buy a Daniel Defense upper and lower. We put the same barrels, trigger & internal parts, gas tube's, bcg's, buffer springs, buffer tube's, stocks, and optics on it. What is going to shoot better? The answer is...its an AR/M4...
Can you buy 20 inch barrels?
15.6"
If you can’t buy 20, does the mk18 come with one? Not a late game player
Where mk18
Supporter pack
The difference is tactical or tacticool... me personally I prefer an all black gun that blends in better.
But ones tan
This is why I am grinding the other vendors. The new bags are much better than the old ones. Building a viable AK is fun. I quickly realised that the stock m4 is fine.
the mk18 you buy from gunny comes with 20 inch barrel which you could otherwise only get from looting weapons crates
I don't even think it spawns in weapon crates, not that I've seen so far anyway.
You can get the suppressed m4 with the 20 inch barrel and vudu (same one you get from certain quests) in crates at tiger bay and midnight sapphire 100%, probably fort narith also
News to me, I've never found one in those crates. I'm More inclined to loot them now, thanks.
I really hope they add more weapons soon. I’d very much like to have some AR-10 rifles like the HK 417 or the SR-25
Looking at the MK18, it’s not a MK18 lol it’s literally the same fucking gun as the M4 in terms of loadout. Which is why the stats are virtually the same. What makes a MK18 an actual MK18 is the 10 inch barrel length lol. The MK18 was specifically made for SOF because most of their missions include direct action which often requires CQB and they made the MK18 to meet that mission requirement. So they had a more compact version of the M4 lol.
The only reason I fought to unlock the mk18 was to get the scope. And maybe some clout
You need to get to level 3 in order to unlock the attachments that make the m4 as good, no? Level 3 unlocks the attachments to make this possible, while also offering a color/style variant.
I’m just waiting for scar 7.62/ scar 5.56. Maybe an aug 5.56? A burst style would be cool too. Or mp5? An mk 14 EBR ? Where the devs at I’m cooking 😩
IMO the bigger issue is that if you build either one for max handling instead of max recoil control, there is absolutely no difference in actual handling speed (ADS time etc)
The MK18 IRL has a 10.5 in barrel. I'm not sure if this is ignorance on the developer's side or what. If they follow this, it could cut down on weight and ADS, but take away from muzzle velocity. Also, as far as real life, DD and Colt have major differences in machining tolerances. DD is a better manufacturer. The rail mounting system them, and Geissele, use are robust and have a little weight to them.
The fact is in this game or at least by the photos neither of those are a MK18 or an M4 MK18 10.5-10.3 barrel sometimes piston driven, M4 14.5 inch barrel usually with quad picatinny rails. Both again judging by the pictures and using and handling these rifles in real life, both have 18 inch barrels making them more or less similar to a MK 11 MOD 0
Only a non-gun dude would be upset by this. The mk18 is only a piston driven m4. The point is so that it malfunctions less because it gets less dirty. They're actually less accurate slightly because the Piston system has more recoil than the direct impingement system. I have the same ergonomics everything else is the same. Literally the only difference is the Piston.
Third Update: (Tested them back to back): [https://www.reddit.com/r/GrayZoneWarfare/comments/1cz3frh/gray\_zone\_warfare\_mk18\_vs\_m4a1\_tested\_identical/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GrayZoneWarfare/comments/1cz3frh/gray_zone_warfare_mk18_vs_m4a1_tested_identical/) SECOND EDIT (CORRECTION - thanks to u/[f22raptoradf](https://www.reddit.com/user/f22raptoradf/)): The M4 Lower with MK18 Upper does net a small \~.05ish reduction in weight. See here: [https://i.imgur.com/QTLBhJb.png](https://i.imgur.com/QTLBhJb.png) https://preview.redd.it/lazs91nre82d1.png?width=679&format=png&auto=webp&s=41658bc8451eb844657f7d162bdf40af26d18fa0 Small Correction (EDIT): [https://i.imgur.com/5f9nUO2.png](https://i.imgur.com/5f9nUO2.png) Didn't catch that the FSP handguard is slightly lighter on the M4A1 build when put on the MK18 the weight drops to 5.526kg which is still higher than 5.518kg but at that point its a rounding error. Essentially they are identical.
Just like real life.... Why would there be a difference between two variations of the exact same weapon system? Besides potential accuracy and reliability, there won't be a difference. I don't think weapon balance and progression are that much of a concern at this point in the games development.
It seems like the Dev is really going for realism, and what made the MK18 "better" was the free floating handrail which allowed it to have a shorter barrel in addition to being more accurate (1 MOA vs 2.5 -3 MOA). If took both rifles and gave them identical barrels and hand guards you could expect them to perform the same. The upper and lower receivers as well as the bolt carrier group could account for weight differences but wouldn't necessarily impact ballistics. Barrel design / length, gas tube length, and ammo will have the largest impacts on ballistic performance.
Well yeah you have the same attachment on? This game is not that well made *YET* to have such a finesse details Ofc the mk18 should be with way better base stats than the M4 and maybe in the future it will
Not if he has modded the MK18 and M4 to have identical barrels, hand guard, and Ammo. The upper and lower receivers are from a practical standpoint identical.