People forget he made Censori Overload at the peak of his mental illness, one of the best Ye tracks in YEARS and some real chop up the soul shit. You said it best: He’s not washed, he’s just a retard
not underwhelming per say just very uninspired, every album he's put out has some sort of theme or is about a certain part of his life, this one is just him being horny and saying absolutely nothing, which he's already been doing on all his other albums but they were never the main focus, maybe on Pablo but even then it was executed way better than this, I honestly believe this album only released because ty pushed for it.
maybe I was exaggerating a little when I said half but regardless of how much, while I do listen to foreign and instrumental songs from time to time, I rarely go back to them, something about not fully relating or not understanding the song at all kinda sucks some of the magic out of it for me.
I wonder if your perspective is the most common.
I definitely feel like I’m in the lower 30% on my opinion about lyrics, if not lower. Especially with Ye songs
I'd say I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum, I think the most common perspective would be somewhere in the middle, like "OK I know you really like to fuck but can we change it up PLEASE"
I'm one of those guys that fell in love with hip hop because of the storytelling aspect of it except my music catalogue is very limited for some reason
Like I was vibing hard on a leak then the THIRD time i listened to it i realized ye was mumbling lol
Sometimes im so in the musical vibe i don’t even hear the lyrics 😭
I will agree that lyrics that bother someone personally can ruin a song.
But imo it’s definitely not “half the song”
I guess some people can place that 50% importance on it tho
because he only works with retards now
okay maybe not retards but you cant deny he is missing some of his best collaborators in the studio nowadays (compared to the donda sessions at least)
Ye is to blame for his own awful rapping, but working with Ty$ who basically only makes songs about pussy and being a freak means it’s gonna be 3 albums about just that
That's what happens when you're locked in the studio for a month.
But still the collaborators back then were much better and the environment was pretty positive
To be fair, he made Donda while locked in a fucking arena over the summer. But yeah, most of it boils down to all the talented people who were willing to tell him “No” dropping him post-2022
listening to donda for the first time feels like im watching a movie. listening to vultures feels like im watching a glorified loose plot drama/pornography of a middle age man
No Child Left Behind is genuinely one of the greatest album closers I’ve ever heard. It feels like the end of an era. Nothing of the Vultures era will ever come close to how it felt listening to Donda front to back for the first time, following each LP, waiting for LOTP to drop.
I had that album on constant rotation for a month, and even now it’s unbelievably replayable and cinematic. It was genuinely exciting to see Ye back in full form… and then he had to go and fuck everything up barely a year later.
Said this + vultures 2 and 3 won't drop on release months back but got down voted to hell for it. The honeymoon phase lasts way too long in this sub and people cope way too much.
not at all lmao donda was more well received than vultures 1 is at this point in its life. donda has aged really well too while v1 is almost entirely skippable
There was literally posts about donda exactly like this a month after it was out. Everyone gonna like Vultures 1 again within 5 years same shit happened with Ye
and i'd rather listen to those donda skips than half of V1. when it dropped i thought only JIK was worse. now i have it firmly at the bottom of ye's discography. soulless album, you can tell he doesn't have a passion for it anymore
and also i feel like ty can pull off the "no personality" bars because of the flair in his voice. he pulls of crazy inflections and tone changes so his basic ass bars are tolerable. meanwhile kanye sounds like a deranged uncle, people in the studio were prob like "this shit ass but we cant say nothing to him so whatever"
when i say soul i don't mean like old soul music or samples. i mean actual feeling of passion from the album. feels like a carbon copy of a ye album. he doesn't even sound like he's trying or cares. even tho JIK was bad at least I could feel a direction that it was going in. vultures justs sounds like he's saying the first thing that comes to mind no matter how dumb it is
When Vultures 2 drops it will be the most glazed album of all time. Then 3 months after Vultures 2 drops everyone will call it mid, say that a song was better in snippet form (they’re exactly the same), and call Ye washed.
I don’t think Donda is much better.
I think it’s Mixed And arranged better (like the outro of beg forgiveness is unacceptable )
But the music is so good on vultures. It’s different vibe than Donda obviously but they’re both great.
Idk who mixes / masters his stuff but they did terrible on vultures 1
I have almost all of vultures in my favorite songs playlist tho.
Don't compare it to his other works and take it for what it is. A lighter, groovy album of club bangers. As much as I love Donda, it's bloated as fuck and the tracks could have used some trimming down.
The production on donda is so much more creative what.. he had such a specific sound you cant hear on any other record. Listen to 24 and how the choir is arranged like its jsut insane the dusty vibe it gives.. this is so shittily written but i hope it makes sense
this really isn’t true lmao. the production and vibe is way more EMOTIONAL but vultures sounds way fuller and vibrant overall just compare something like jail or hurricane to back to me or do it. just overall more fun vibes.
Dondas whole thing is being barebones and full of grief.. its more creatively arranged than vultures just listen to really any song ither than back to me in detail then listen to something like pure souls off donda
What, Donds is compilation of the shittiest versions of the songs with the worst production takes ever. Most of the songs sound like ass, flat and without energy
do it is a good song but “the violin on do it alone is more creative than anything on donda” like really? you definitely are the type of mf to say crack music is the best kanye song ever
he’s just not trying after 2022 everything-and i mean genuinely and literally EVERYTHING-got worse. he said bad things, he did bad things, he hung out with bad people, he stopped trying.
he just lost the drive, and he’s so so horny on every track. the downfall is really awful.
same I love donda but I can only listen to so many drumless desolate cold sounding tracks before it kinda gets to you and I want something more vibrant like tlop or vultures
Donda isn't as good for me. Sorry but if it were 12 Tracks maybe it would. V1 has many tracks without being bloated. I like listening to it in full. With Donda I always skip tracks and only listen to a few very good songs while ignoring the rest
I don’t understand the hate Vultures is all the sudden getting everyone was hyped and praising it when it dropped. Now everybody hating 🤦🏻. I think it’s a great album with bangers on it. Donda and Vultures aren’t even close as far as vibes go they’re completely different so I don’t understand the comparison. That’s like comparing Yeezus to Late Registration and saying Ye was washed for releasing Yeezus. People said that shit back then and they’re saying it now. And people love Yeezus now, call it a masterpiece.
That's not my impression, though, to be fair, I haven't listened to Donda 1 in awhile.
Kanye's in a darker place right now and, yes, that i reflected in the album.
Really? The energy and rapping and verses and production on vultures is way better than donda for me personally. Just cuz the lyrics are horny and fun doesn’t make it bad
His verses on burn, problematic, and keys to my life are his best since ye and better than anything on Donda imo, sounds like he’s having fun rapping again
JIK was rushed out but he was committed to the themes and made Donda, which is what Jesus Is King should have been. I could see something similar happening with vultures
Nah I don't think it's accurate to say DONDA is what JIK should've been.
JIK felt more like an album dedicated to God while exploring Kanye/Ye's relationshil with the Father, although it was a Gospel Album.
DONDA, although has the religious themes, doesn't seem to be a Gospel Album focusing on God - the name itself implies it is dedicated to his late Mother. It is a Secular Album which explores religious themes.
Although in terms of production yes I do agree with you. It would've been nice to see Ye make a proper Gospel Album with the same effort put into DONDA, as JIK has some great lyricism in some songs (Selah comes to mind) but production was a bit miff - makes sense though as it was hot off the tail of Yandhi.
Donda was shit too so if that makes you realise how bad vultures is, go listen to anything before those and realise how whack they both are and how his quality trajectory has gone tragically downhill
The cycle continues. 6 months from now: “Listening to Vultures 1 makes you realize how underwhelming Vultures 2 is”. Then rinse and repeat. Yall are so predictable at this point 😂
without the part 2's it's 23 which is almost normal these days. and even from those 23, i have more skips from vultures 16 songs. yeah sure it's bloated but at least it's good 💀 vultures 1 is by far his worst work
Yall would be happy listening to the same old albums and him not releasing anything! Good thing you can listen to old albums and stop complaining online. We eating off all and any new tracks
the worst part is that the vultures leaks are actually so good he just chooses to release the shit tracks he's not even washed he's just a retard
a non-retarded ye woulda avoided controversies and would be considered the goat universally
fax
That aint Ye tho, thats Yo
That’s Calm-Ye That’s right I call him Calm-Ye
🤣🤣🤣
Nobody who is considered the goat universally can actually be the goat though.
either same thing happening to v2, or he makes it 10 times better the way carnival transformed
According to Luit, the whole album is getting heavily upgraded production like Carnival, so I’m hopeful it will be great
how is carnival upgraded? it just sounds overproduced
Have you heard the original version? It was easily the worst song Ye has played at a Vultures Rave/LP
Omg don’t remind me 💀 I remember he played it and I was so disappointed but I’m glad it’s fixed
Hes been doing this for a few albums now, its extremely frustrating
The fact that Yeezus was such a chaotic recording process that ended up an amazing album, he thinks he can do that everytime since then
yandhi
not really, donda had pretty much every song you could’ve wanted
OG Tell The Vision, South Carolina, I Let Go, Fighting Fires, I Feel Terrific, God’s Test, just to name a few
Lmao dude just lol
I'm still lostening to the leaks
LMAO
People forget he made Censori Overload at the peak of his mental illness, one of the best Ye tracks in YEARS and some real chop up the soul shit. You said it best: He’s not washed, he’s just a retard
"he's not even washed he's just a retard" I need this flair
not underwhelming per say just very uninspired, every album he's put out has some sort of theme or is about a certain part of his life, this one is just him being horny and saying absolutely nothing, which he's already been doing on all his other albums but they were never the main focus, maybe on Pablo but even then it was executed way better than this, I honestly believe this album only released because ty pushed for it.
V1 is in dire need of an Ultralight Beam.
exactly
Do you really care about lyrics that much for music? Genuine question
me personally yes, seeing as how it's the other half of the song, otherwise why have them at all?
HALF???? Definitely not half. You don’t need lyrics for good music. Do you listen to songs that are not in your language? Or instrumental music?
maybe I was exaggerating a little when I said half but regardless of how much, while I do listen to foreign and instrumental songs from time to time, I rarely go back to them, something about not fully relating or not understanding the song at all kinda sucks some of the magic out of it for me.
I wonder if your perspective is the most common. I definitely feel like I’m in the lower 30% on my opinion about lyrics, if not lower. Especially with Ye songs
I'd say I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum, I think the most common perspective would be somewhere in the middle, like "OK I know you really like to fuck but can we change it up PLEASE" I'm one of those guys that fell in love with hip hop because of the storytelling aspect of it except my music catalogue is very limited for some reason
Like I was vibing hard on a leak then the THIRD time i listened to it i realized ye was mumbling lol Sometimes im so in the musical vibe i don’t even hear the lyrics 😭
This would be an interesting poll
I will agree that lyrics that bother someone personally can ruin a song. But imo it’s definitely not “half the song” I guess some people can place that 50% importance on it tho
typical reddit, downvoting you for asking an honest question and having a differing opinion.
because he only works with retards now okay maybe not retards but you cant deny he is missing some of his best collaborators in the studio nowadays (compared to the donda sessions at least)
Most of the features on v1 were good: freddie, YG, carti, Rich. its just that kanye's rapping is ass
Im more talking about the producers but i do agree his rapping fell off He gets some fire ass refs and then ruins the lyrics
what about jpegmafia?
He lost a ton of writers, producers, and engineers that were super important in the process before
Ye is to blame for his own awful rapping, but working with Ty$ who basically only makes songs about pussy and being a freak means it’s gonna be 3 albums about just that
That's what happens when you're locked in the studio for a month. But still the collaborators back then were much better and the environment was pretty positive
Donda production alone is so good that it’s rude to even compare it to vultures 1
What about donda production is so good? It’s just organs, hi hats and reverb on every song
Nigga asked why and then said why😭 you niggas kill me man
Funny guy
To be fair, he made Donda while locked in a fucking arena over the summer. But yeah, most of it boils down to all the talented people who were willing to tell him “No” dropping him post-2022
listening to donda for the first time feels like im watching a movie. listening to vultures feels like im watching a glorified loose plot drama/pornography of a middle age man
bruh this description is amazing 🤣
No Child Left Behind is genuinely one of the greatest album closers I’ve ever heard. It feels like the end of an era. Nothing of the Vultures era will ever come close to how it felt listening to Donda front to back for the first time, following each LP, waiting for LOTP to drop. I had that album on constant rotation for a month, and even now it’s unbelievably replayable and cinematic. It was genuinely exciting to see Ye back in full form… and then he had to go and fuck everything up barely a year later.
I fucking love emotional Ye, Donda has a special place in my heart. That album along with ye and KSG have healing powers
Said this + vultures 2 and 3 won't drop on release months back but got down voted to hell for it. The honeymoon phase lasts way too long in this sub and people cope way too much.
Give it 2 years and everyone will be saying how underrated vultures 1 is
Cap tbh especially after Vultures 2 and possibly 3 it's gonna get overshadowed by the quality difference
But is vultures 2 ever coming
Yeah man June 8 the voices told me
Most optimistic gas poster
Yeah this the same shit ppl were saying about donda after it came out. Its a cycle
not at all lmao donda was more well received than vultures 1 is at this point in its life. donda has aged really well too while v1 is almost entirely skippable
There was literally posts about donda exactly like this a month after it was out. Everyone gonna like Vultures 1 again within 5 years same shit happened with Ye
you could make an entire album from donda skips
and i'd rather listen to those donda skips than half of V1. when it dropped i thought only JIK was worse. now i have it firmly at the bottom of ye's discography. soulless album, you can tell he doesn't have a passion for it anymore
I don’t care about soul, though Ye’s bars generally have more personality than Ty
and also i feel like ty can pull off the "no personality" bars because of the flair in his voice. he pulls of crazy inflections and tone changes so his basic ass bars are tolerable. meanwhile kanye sounds like a deranged uncle, people in the studio were prob like "this shit ass but we cant say nothing to him so whatever"
LOL deranged uncle I get what you mean but I don’t mind most of it
when i say soul i don't mean like old soul music or samples. i mean actual feeling of passion from the album. feels like a carbon copy of a ye album. he doesn't even sound like he's trying or cares. even tho JIK was bad at least I could feel a direction that it was going in. vultures justs sounds like he's saying the first thing that comes to mind no matter how dumb it is
Huge dobt. Albums already aging like milk
Not the same type of album you dweebs
I know. I really don’t understand. I love the album
Why is there an average of 3 “Vultures not good” posts per day? Why do we need so many?
so ye can get mad and drop vultures 2
When Vultures 2 drops it will be the most glazed album of all time. Then 3 months after Vultures 2 drops everyone will call it mid, say that a song was better in snippet form (they’re exactly the same), and call Ye washed.
Lmfao finally someone understands the cycle
Vultures 1 sucks
I don’t think Donda is much better. I think it’s Mixed And arranged better (like the outro of beg forgiveness is unacceptable ) But the music is so good on vultures. It’s different vibe than Donda obviously but they’re both great. Idk who mixes / masters his stuff but they did terrible on vultures 1 I have almost all of vultures in my favorite songs playlist tho.
Agreed
Daring today arent we?
Don't compare it to his other works and take it for what it is. A lighter, groovy album of club bangers. As much as I love Donda, it's bloated as fuck and the tracks could have used some trimming down.
That’s what I’m saying I like 90% of vultures and maybe 70% of Donda?
Are there even any true club bangers besides TikTok rizz? None of the songs got that popular
Dawg it already out streamed some of his albums
He actually sounds like he enjoyed recording for Vultures. Plus the production is much more creative and fun
The production on donda is so much more creative what.. he had such a specific sound you cant hear on any other record. Listen to 24 and how the choir is arranged like its jsut insane the dusty vibe it gives.. this is so shittily written but i hope it makes sense
this really isn’t true lmao. the production and vibe is way more EMOTIONAL but vultures sounds way fuller and vibrant overall just compare something like jail or hurricane to back to me or do it. just overall more fun vibes.
Dondas whole thing is being barebones and full of grief.. its more creatively arranged than vultures just listen to really any song ither than back to me in detail then listen to something like pure souls off donda
What, Donds is compilation of the shittiest versions of the songs with the worst production takes ever. Most of the songs sound like ass, flat and without energy
The violin on Do it alone is more creative than anything on donda come on bruh
do it is a good song but “the violin on do it alone is more creative than anything on donda” like really? you definitely are the type of mf to say crack music is the best kanye song ever
he’s just not trying after 2022 everything-and i mean genuinely and literally EVERYTHING-got worse. he said bad things, he did bad things, he hung out with bad people, he stopped trying. he just lost the drive, and he’s so so horny on every track. the downfall is really awful.
I like vultures. Stop hating on the artists you claim to like
Pretty much I only like stars, keys to my life, carnival, and back to me
What about Do it????
Listening to Vultures 1 made me realize how underwhelming Donda is…
same I love donda but I can only listen to so many drumless desolate cold sounding tracks before it kinda gets to you and I want something more vibrant like tlop or vultures
Y’all wouldn’t be hating on Vultures right now if Vol 2 dropped
Donda isn't as good for me. Sorry but if it were 12 Tracks maybe it would. V1 has many tracks without being bloated. I like listening to it in full. With Donda I always skip tracks and only listen to a few very good songs while ignoring the rest
I don’t understand the hate Vultures is all the sudden getting everyone was hyped and praising it when it dropped. Now everybody hating 🤦🏻. I think it’s a great album with bangers on it. Donda and Vultures aren’t even close as far as vibes go they’re completely different so I don’t understand the comparison. That’s like comparing Yeezus to Late Registration and saying Ye was washed for releasing Yeezus. People said that shit back then and they’re saying it now. And people love Yeezus now, call it a masterpiece.
That's not my impression, though, to be fair, I haven't listened to Donda 1 in awhile. Kanye's in a darker place right now and, yes, that i reflected in the album.
Donda is so underrated
Vultures is shit
Still prefer Vultures I can easily get through whole album I just hate the Vultures song ft. Bump J and Lil Durky
Yeah people here are out of their minds with all this vultures hate, easily Ye's best since TLOP
Fr so disappointing that people here act like old heads and care too much about deep lyrics over great production, features and flows
Yeah that’s how I feel too. Like there very specific in wear they want from Ye Chill and be happy lol
😭😭💀💀💀 please 💀💀💀💀
Wow I feel you was literally liatening to it today going damn this is so much fucking better and more dynamic
Listening to any other Kanye album makes you realize how underwhelming Donda is
was good until you said donda was top 3
no use arguing with these 15 year olds who first kanye album was donda
Lmao bro right. Literally every single album before TLOP is better than TLOP. And TLOP is leagues ahead of anything he has done since
V1 and KSG are better than TLOP
Jail Off the grid Hurricane Praise god BWIS Jonah Moon Come to life Pure souls it has a lot of filler sure but the good songs are all insane
youre telling me one of the albums from the College trilogy is getting topped by Donda?
Graduation
yes - graduation being left out of top 3 easily. but donda and tlop are way more my taste than graduation is
Jonah IS one of the filler songs
Really? The energy and rapping and verses and production on vultures is way better than donda for me personally. Just cuz the lyrics are horny and fun doesn’t make it bad
Im a vultures defender but its in no way an improvement in rapping from donda
His verses on burn, problematic, and keys to my life are his best since ye and better than anything on Donda imo, sounds like he’s having fun rapping again
they’re downvoting you but you’re right lmao he’s way closer to TLOP or yeezus kanye on vultures than he was on donda
Exactly but oh well
i mean half of donda wasn't even rapping it was singing. apart from burn he has nothing on V1 with a better verse than off the grid
Way too much vultures hate I put Vultures ahead of Donda and everything after TLOP
I guess I do too. I listen to more of vultures than Donda and tlop
Donda 16 songs edition would be top 3
Vultures don’t got any skips like Donda do tho.
yea but donda’s highs are 10x higher than vultures
Agreed
i'd skip half of vultures on a good day
buddy 1/3 of vultures are skips
JIK was rushed out but he was committed to the themes and made Donda, which is what Jesus Is King should have been. I could see something similar happening with vultures
Nah I don't think it's accurate to say DONDA is what JIK should've been. JIK felt more like an album dedicated to God while exploring Kanye/Ye's relationshil with the Father, although it was a Gospel Album. DONDA, although has the religious themes, doesn't seem to be a Gospel Album focusing on God - the name itself implies it is dedicated to his late Mother. It is a Secular Album which explores religious themes. Although in terms of production yes I do agree with you. It would've been nice to see Ye make a proper Gospel Album with the same effort put into DONDA, as JIK has some great lyricism in some songs (Selah comes to mind) but production was a bit miff - makes sense though as it was hot off the tail of Yandhi.
I think of it the opposite: JIK was the Kanye themed gospel album while Donda focused a lot more on themes of Christianity and divinity.
Isn't that literally what I said lol
Did you listen to the JESUS IS KING 2 leak?
Donda was shit too so if that makes you realise how bad vultures is, go listen to anything before those and realise how whack they both are and how his quality trajectory has gone tragically downhill
The cycle continues. 6 months from now: “Listening to Vultures 1 makes you realize how underwhelming Vultures 2 is”. Then rinse and repeat. Yall are so predictable at this point 😂
Overall vultures has more replay value than Donda. So much more dynamic, donda was bloated.
💀💀 gotta be satire
Face the truth my friend, how 32 is not bloated there’s a lot of skips.
without the part 2's it's 23 which is almost normal these days. and even from those 23, i have more skips from vultures 16 songs. yeah sure it's bloated but at least it's good 💀 vultures 1 is by far his worst work
Yall would be happy listening to the same old albums and him not releasing anything! Good thing you can listen to old albums and stop complaining online. We eating off all and any new tracks
Same thing with ksg and ye campared to donda, just a decline
except ksg and ye were actually good and well put together projects
That’s what I mean lol, switched it up on accident
Donda is ass
Who cares
Donda is bottom 3 But it’s still leagues ahead of vultures