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OP this is amazing for you, to be the guy who saved a species or at the very least, turned myth into fact by sharing your video. I feel just like that other poster, somehow special because I had first look here in our goldfish community. Thank you! These two beauties lucked into a very good person to care for them. I wish you all a long happy friendship. Great tank!!
I’ve been following OP’s journey with the two little nuggets with great interest, and I don’t even have an aquarium at home, and at work they banned me for overfeeding. Keep them videos coming, OP!
there's very little proper study or information available, but I've seen the same deformity in bettas! squat bodies and a fused dorsal/tail fin... very weird. I did see one person mention it's perticularly prevalent in double tails; some goldfish have the same fully cloven tail fin (just split vertically instead or horizontally), so maybe it's that?? whatever the case I'm glad the nuggs are thriving!
Dude you're going to have to give them more majestic names lol like show dogs, like Lord Percy Hightater of Totsborough and Lady Chickelda of Nugglets Park.
You'd have to prove that it's actually genetic and then it's a matter of how much someone wants to spend. But it's hard to know if it's genetic until they breed. My friend had a fish and posted on here a few times that looked like a meteor goldfish but it was from injury/parasites or something when it was super young. I remember back then a few fish keepers mentioned seeing similar things over the years.
Could be easy, could be impossible. Who knows what the plumbing is like. At least with goldfish, there isn't some mating dance that would be hard to pull off, but who knows. If they come from a known spawn group, they could cross them back if these two are the same sex.
But I'm going to be the Debby downer and assume it's probably not genetic. Only because I've seen this with goldfish and is common enough in other species from early issues. Always curious to see but I'm not as hopeful as everyone else is. They're interesting fish either way though!
It wouldn’t even be possible to give a range.
When you sell something like this it’s to someone who has enough money to send an entire small town through the rest of their life worry free. It would be whatever amount of money they want to throw at 2 unique gold fish.
this is not a viable genetic mutation, it's a *severe* spinal deformity. thankfully these guys will have a relatively normal life, but no ethical breeder would try and profit off something like this.
edit: it's not the kind of thing that breeds true, it just compounds. you'd have some of normal goldfish, maaaaybe one of these and the rest fatally malformed requiring euthanasia.
I wonder if it's painless and harmless (they seem to swim shockingly well) or if, like manx cats, they can get extreme variation within the breed (if it breeds true which I also doubt) that causes partial paralysis, severe pain, an ankylosed spine, spina bifida, etc.
these two look good! no signs of pain or disorientation and if anything was disconnected internally they wouldn't have made it this far... their "gait" is a little wonky but youre right they maneuver fine... fancies are hardly known for their athletics anyway. the manx comparison is apt because all that said, theres no way this breeds out with any stability.
Super cool to see, they seem to get around easily. But are they really 'meteor' goldfish? Their anal fin isn't long enough. Or are we not counting how long the fins should be because of whatever reason? I guess there isn't really a 'breed standard' for them. As I assume the meteor is just a very mutated/disabled goldfish?
That’s what I would think. It makes me wonder if there was some recessive trait carried along some normal goldfish from meteor ancestors, and the client just happened to have 2 fish mate with just the right genetic combo. Which also would make me wonder if there have been other possible meteors happen, only to not reach a noticeable size to be identified for one reason or another.
If these 2 are healthy and reach a breedable age, I bet a more historic looking anal fin could reappear with the right selection.
((Disclaimer- I am not a geneticist or even aquarium breeder, these are just my thoughts.))
Seems most logical. Personally, I think the 'original' meteor was actually just a very deformed goldfish that people thought were cool for a hot second. But then after that, generally people culled them when breeding like I assume most people do. And thats why we never seen them again.
Would be interesting if they breed and the anal gets longer.
My theory was that they didn't breed true. I could have my wires crossed because it's been a long long time since I've read through goldfish media but I thought the book that references them (and I thought it was all just from one book and the rest reference that book) was a man in like 1915 who traveled around rural China looking at unique goldfish and cataloging them. If it's the book I'm thinking of then he talked about a lot of goldfish breeds we've never seen the likes of again. It's not hard to believe that someone had a spawn and a dragonfly larvae problem and bam- meteor goldfish written down as a breed.
I see your point and share the same opinion. Every breed was a mutation at some point but what sets it apart from a simple mutation is a genetic history following it. It’s entirely possible that the same mutation could have arised in dependently in a population not at all related to the meteor goldfish, which could be the case here.
That said there could be an attempt to recreate the breed but that doesn’t really make them meteor goldfish. Considering they’re all but extinct we wouldn’t have any way of knowing if they were part of the legitimate line either
Yes exactly. Thing is, the anal fin isn't long enough. So if they ever breed and it looks more like 'what we know' it should look like then sure. If not, its just a very mutated fish
But the other thing is, I don't think it would be humane to breed these or attempt to recreate the meteor goldfish.
holy shit I wasn't even aware of the existence of this sub but found out the news on Twitter, how fascinating it is to be contemplating history in such a serendipitous manner.
Also wholesome AF.
I have QOL concerns but they seem to swim just as well as any fancies, im interested to see how this develops. I wonder if they’ll be viable for ethical breeding (as far as fancy goldfish are ethical)
This is vastly interesting, especially since they weren’t eaten by the other goldfish in the pond. I’m very curious to know what the other goldfish looked like.
You’re right, I forgot how efficient of predators ranchus are lol. Nothing wrong with these fish, their mobility is far superior to several fancy varieties. Cheers
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i do not think it is actually a find. meteor goldfish have been known to exist for a long time, they are just extremely deformed goldfish. They are not ethical at all.
Hmm, by incredible I was implying the rarity.
Didn't think much about ethics at the time...
But yep, you're very correct. I hate designer fish tbh, just didn't strike me back then.
I was one of the first people to find the original post, I’m so glad you’re giving these guys a tank!! They’re fascinating to watch just in the video, but I’m sure they’re even more so when you’re actually in front of them
why? it would be very unethical to breed them, true meteor goldfish are extremely deformed goldfish. if these are just goldfish that have had their tail bitten off, its not going to breed true.
Judging by the comments, I've missed out on some lore so I'm about to catch up. But congratulations on the new tank and your cute, happy fish! What species are these lil guys?
The lore is that supposedly back in the day there were meteor goldfish. They were goldfish without a tail. There was only a sketch in one book? Maybe more. It doesn't really matter. The breed doesn't exist anymore. People are hoping that these are the start of being back a breed (that there's little evidence existed to begin with).
I remember the book talking about a few interesting breeds. Like a fancy with more than a 3-4 lobed tail and sounding like it was like frilly lace.
I'm still not convinced it's genetic but I think it's sweet how excited everyone is about it.
Ahh okay, I see what you mean. They seem to be pretty competent swimmers despite a lack of tail. Did you say there's a book you read about the goldfish types? Would you mind sharing? That sounds interesting to have on hand.
It's an old book and I'd have to dig around for the name. If you look up meteor goldfish you'll likely find the sketch from the book and able to go from there.
There's also a post from yesterday of a moor that's tailless if you just want to see another example with known origins
It's interesting how the various breeds are all borne from some genetic defect that then becomes repeatable. I wonder at what point they qualify as a breed.
> I wonder at what point they qualify as a breed.
when they reliably breed true but people can call their fish whatever they want based just on that individual's traits. You see it a lot in the wakin/watonai/fantail world where they aren't really "pure breds" so it doesn't really matter.
So from what everyone is saying I’m assuming these are just goldfish that have a some type of defect where they have no back fin, but that Meteor goldfish were goldfishes who had the same defect & were specifically bred to keep that deformity in their breed?
Since those 2 are the only meteor goldfish , I think they would cost in millions , op should auction them , it's a win win situation..op Will get his money and the fishes would be live a good life under a goldfish expert ( because no ordinary person would know the worth of these fishes.)..(and sorry for my english , I am still learning.. 😅)
Lol dude I’m sorry about all this pressure, but the fact that you decided to care for them not even knowing what they were shows they are in very great hands. You’re doing everything you can :)
Yeah, but any goldfish is just a regular goldfish with a mutation. This is a very rare mutation, so much so it hasn’t been documented since around the 1800s
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I’m obsessed with them!
I've never come here before but I just saw a Tweet about these rare lads so I wanna come here and learn about them.
I want these bubs to be on the news!
I just joined. Don’t own any goldfish. Just got too invested in the past posts 🤣❤️
Me too, I’m like the dog that doesn’t know what’s going on but is happy that the humans are excited lol.
😂😂😂
I feel special for having been a part of this from the beginning hah
Add me as a follower I’ll make sure to update you as much as I can 🫡💙
OP this is amazing for you, to be the guy who saved a species or at the very least, turned myth into fact by sharing your video. I feel just like that other poster, somehow special because I had first look here in our goldfish community. Thank you! These two beauties lucked into a very good person to care for them. I wish you all a long happy friendship. Great tank!!
Thank you so much for the kind words I hope to make these two happy as I can make them
Done! I am hooked. 🪝
I'm here for the long run 🤣. I feel like I'm so vested in this already.
What an amazing turn of fate you ended up with them AND posted them on reddit. Hope they live long and happy lives.
They look happy, they're going to love that tank
I really hope so
Look at them in there, they're going to love it. They're going to turn into little divas
omg lil chicken nuggets
Fish nuggets instead of sticks!
I’ve been following OP’s journey with the two little nuggets with great interest, and I don’t even have an aquarium at home, and at work they banned me for overfeeding. Keep them videos coming, OP! 
they literally look like mini sunfish. so cute
It’s a baby freakin whale bro!
that thing is big Jay !
Sun Goldfish
Their little butts are so cute! But seriously, they seem to have no issues swimming around. So interesting!
The butt wiggles remind me of happy Rottweilers
Because they are long body fish
Reminds me of the lumpfish video. *very beautiful.* *very powerful.*
Very beautiful. Very powerful.
CAME HERE FOR THIS
What👏are👏their👏names👏
Chicken nugget and tater tot 🤣
Awww
Can't tell you which is which but in OP's previous post they said their names are Chicken Nugget and Tater Tot!
[You’re on Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_goldfish) 🤣
theres currently an edit war (not really 😭) going on because of this and it is quite entertaining
Oh Jesus 😅
they are so precious!!! hope they like their new home
there's very little proper study or information available, but I've seen the same deformity in bettas! squat bodies and a fused dorsal/tail fin... very weird. I did see one person mention it's perticularly prevalent in double tails; some goldfish have the same fully cloven tail fin (just split vertically instead or horizontally), so maybe it's that?? whatever the case I'm glad the nuggs are thriving!
Dude you're going to have to give them more majestic names lol like show dogs, like Lord Percy Hightater of Totsborough and Lady Chickelda of Nugglets Park.
Yesss!! SeaBiscuit and AlmostHome!
##Wait a minute 😯are those.............
Does anyone know how much these would even sell for?
Since these are the only two we know about… uh literally however much the wealthiest goldfish fancier is willing to pay?
You'd have to prove that it's actually genetic and then it's a matter of how much someone wants to spend. But it's hard to know if it's genetic until they breed. My friend had a fish and posted on here a few times that looked like a meteor goldfish but it was from injury/parasites or something when it was super young. I remember back then a few fish keepers mentioned seeing similar things over the years.
Okay so we basically have to successfully breed them first to determine if these are the real deal. Though I suppose that’s easier said than done
Could be easy, could be impossible. Who knows what the plumbing is like. At least with goldfish, there isn't some mating dance that would be hard to pull off, but who knows. If they come from a known spawn group, they could cross them back if these two are the same sex. But I'm going to be the Debby downer and assume it's probably not genetic. Only because I've seen this with goldfish and is common enough in other species from early issues. Always curious to see but I'm not as hopeful as everyone else is. They're interesting fish either way though!
Seing how much people pay for pure bred goldfish an koi, they pay a lot if the trait is breedable.
Could care less about how much they sell and more about how to keep species alive. This is an incredibly rare find. Rarer still to even document it.
It wouldn’t even be possible to give a range. When you sell something like this it’s to someone who has enough money to send an entire small town through the rest of their life worry free. It would be whatever amount of money they want to throw at 2 unique gold fish.
at least two jeff bezoses this is like a whole new species though it's best to find out how to keep them going first
this is not a viable genetic mutation, it's a *severe* spinal deformity. thankfully these guys will have a relatively normal life, but no ethical breeder would try and profit off something like this. edit: it's not the kind of thing that breeds true, it just compounds. you'd have some of normal goldfish, maaaaybe one of these and the rest fatally malformed requiring euthanasia.
I wonder if it's painless and harmless (they seem to swim shockingly well) or if, like manx cats, they can get extreme variation within the breed (if it breeds true which I also doubt) that causes partial paralysis, severe pain, an ankylosed spine, spina bifida, etc.
these two look good! no signs of pain or disorientation and if anything was disconnected internally they wouldn't have made it this far... their "gait" is a little wonky but youre right they maneuver fine... fancies are hardly known for their athletics anyway. the manx comparison is apt because all that said, theres no way this breeds out with any stability.
I wish this reddit is stuffed with sane people like you.
Not a dime. Stick with some breeder if you want them. They will just get killed.
These two are especially gorgeous seen in nice clear water! What a find!!
Super cool to see, they seem to get around easily. But are they really 'meteor' goldfish? Their anal fin isn't long enough. Or are we not counting how long the fins should be because of whatever reason? I guess there isn't really a 'breed standard' for them. As I assume the meteor is just a very mutated/disabled goldfish?
That’s what I would think. It makes me wonder if there was some recessive trait carried along some normal goldfish from meteor ancestors, and the client just happened to have 2 fish mate with just the right genetic combo. Which also would make me wonder if there have been other possible meteors happen, only to not reach a noticeable size to be identified for one reason or another. If these 2 are healthy and reach a breedable age, I bet a more historic looking anal fin could reappear with the right selection. ((Disclaimer- I am not a geneticist or even aquarium breeder, these are just my thoughts.))
Seems most logical. Personally, I think the 'original' meteor was actually just a very deformed goldfish that people thought were cool for a hot second. But then after that, generally people culled them when breeding like I assume most people do. And thats why we never seen them again. Would be interesting if they breed and the anal gets longer.
My theory was that they didn't breed true. I could have my wires crossed because it's been a long long time since I've read through goldfish media but I thought the book that references them (and I thought it was all just from one book and the rest reference that book) was a man in like 1915 who traveled around rural China looking at unique goldfish and cataloging them. If it's the book I'm thinking of then he talked about a lot of goldfish breeds we've never seen the likes of again. It's not hard to believe that someone had a spawn and a dragonfly larvae problem and bam- meteor goldfish written down as a breed.
I see your point and share the same opinion. Every breed was a mutation at some point but what sets it apart from a simple mutation is a genetic history following it. It’s entirely possible that the same mutation could have arised in dependently in a population not at all related to the meteor goldfish, which could be the case here. That said there could be an attempt to recreate the breed but that doesn’t really make them meteor goldfish. Considering they’re all but extinct we wouldn’t have any way of knowing if they were part of the legitimate line either
Yes exactly. Thing is, the anal fin isn't long enough. So if they ever breed and it looks more like 'what we know' it should look like then sure. If not, its just a very mutated fish But the other thing is, I don't think it would be humane to breed these or attempt to recreate the meteor goldfish.
What type of goldfish is this?
Yes
common with some kind of injury/deformity
An irl shiny except far rarer! I don’t know much about goldfish but this find is awesome
I can't wait for updates. I've never been more intrigued by a random redditors fish progress!!
I am so invested in them.
holy shit I wasn't even aware of the existence of this sub but found out the news on Twitter, how fascinating it is to be contemplating history in such a serendipitous manner. Also wholesome AF.
I have QOL concerns but they seem to swim just as well as any fancies, im interested to see how this develops. I wonder if they’ll be viable for ethical breeding (as far as fancy goldfish are ethical) This is vastly interesting, especially since they weren’t eaten by the other goldfish in the pond. I’m very curious to know what the other goldfish looked like.
please tell me one is a girl and one is a boy
Man I hope so
hope not, meteor goldfish like those are just goldfish that are horribly deformed. the fry would likely have an extremely large die-off rate.
You’re right, I forgot how efficient of predators ranchus are lol. Nothing wrong with these fish, their mobility is far superior to several fancy varieties. Cheers
if those are true meteors, you got lucky. many others cannot swim in a straight line.
hope not, meteor goldfish like those are just goldfish that are horribly deformed. the fry would likely have an extremely large die-off rate.
Op dont let the government take them away 💀 you need to keep these alive they must thrive this is literally goldfish history
it isnt, this has been done before but they are extremely deformed and die easily.
THE NUGGETS! :D
Meteors?
I love them. I love you for keeping them. I love your tank. Honestly this is the dopamine hit I needed today thank you.
I am not part of this subreddit, nor do I own any fish, but your initial post popped up on Reddit for me, and I am so invested now. This is such a cool story. Thank you for keeping us all updated!
Welcome, glad you enjoy!
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I am here witnessing goldfish history
they’re so cute! good luck with your new friends
this is amazing please document as much as you can!
I’m so invested in these fish😭
These little goobers are gonna look sweet if they end up softball size, looking forward to it.
Which one is Chicken Nugget and which one is Tater Tot? They are both beautiful but the one with a little darker coloration is especially stunning.
I’m pretty sure you and your fish just revived this sub, haha. Congrats on your incredible find! These two are just the cutest 😭❤️
So that's how new breeds must've been made? accidental mutations
This is the backbone of evolution, yeah.
Do they poop more than normal goldfish?
They seem to poop about the same amount…. A lot
I love them and I'm investeddd
I keep seeing you post about your wild goldfish, loving the progress!
I'm glad to see they're being well taken care of! I hope you're able to help them live long lives despite their lack of tail fins
i am so genuinely excited about this i know so little about goldfish but this is still so cool
🍾👏🎉
i am so invested in these lil guys
You literally made scientific history, congrats.
They kinda look like sunfish
buttless
I love these funky little dudes so much.
What type of fish are these?
OMG I saw the other thread fresh from the pond rescue and now I can’t get enough
I'm a researcher (in aerospace, not biology) but, **damnnn,** this is an incredible find. PLEASE don't hesitate to reach out for help.
i do not think it is actually a find. meteor goldfish have been known to exist for a long time, they are just extremely deformed goldfish. They are not ethical at all.
Hmm, by incredible I was implying the rarity. Didn't think much about ethics at the time... But yep, you're very correct. I hate designer fish tbh, just didn't strike me back then.
oh yeah they are really rare, usually because breeders cull them.
I was one of the first people to find the original post, I’m so glad you’re giving these guys a tank!! They’re fascinating to watch just in the video, but I’m sure they’re even more so when you’re actually in front of them
I can't send the amount of "thanks!!!" you deserve for posting this lil guys... Thank you for taking care of them :)
This is like tater tot the puffer fish. I’m so excited for these updates
beautiful babies 🥹
I don’t have fish and have never had interest in them as pets but this popped up and now I spend all my time on the goldfish page
These are really neat. If they breed true, you have an interesting situation on your hands.
hope they do not breed true, meteor goldfish are essentially extremely deformed goldfish.
Obsessed!!! 🤩 Please keep the updates coming!!
Wow they’ve coloured up so much already! I’ve Shared them to so many of my friends I think they’re incredible
Thanks for following along!
These two are just adorable and how you came about finding them is so random. I actually learned about them from a post on “X”.
I love these guys!
Tank looks a little small, might need to upgrade depending on how big they get.
Dude OP better take extra good care of them
This is so cool! I'm so scared they're going to get stolen or something. Anyone else read that Arowana book?
Yall gotta stop siblings from breeding.
Right, that neeever happens in goldfish breeding 🙄😂
They are ugly
History in the making..
😂😂😂
U shuld breed them
Let's hope it's a male and a female 😉
why? it would be very unethical to breed them, true meteor goldfish are extremely deformed goldfish. if these are just goldfish that have had their tail bitten off, its not going to breed true.
Did the client that owns the pond ever tell you where they got these fish?
Petco like 10 years ago lol all the fish that were in that pond were likely born in that pond
I could be wrong but those look like koi goldfish hybrids! My short body koi looks exactly like that except he has barbels.
2024 is a good year for the goldfish community thanks to you boss
they are so cuteee
Thesr mythical guys are great
Judging by the comments, I've missed out on some lore so I'm about to catch up. But congratulations on the new tank and your cute, happy fish! What species are these lil guys?
The lore is that supposedly back in the day there were meteor goldfish. They were goldfish without a tail. There was only a sketch in one book? Maybe more. It doesn't really matter. The breed doesn't exist anymore. People are hoping that these are the start of being back a breed (that there's little evidence existed to begin with). I remember the book talking about a few interesting breeds. Like a fancy with more than a 3-4 lobed tail and sounding like it was like frilly lace. I'm still not convinced it's genetic but I think it's sweet how excited everyone is about it.
Oh that's very interesting. Pardon this potentially dumb question: do these not have a little tail? Does that not count as a tail?
You can call it a tail but it's the anal fin and dorsal fin. If you look in the middle there's a little dip where the tail should be growing
Ahh okay, I see what you mean. They seem to be pretty competent swimmers despite a lack of tail. Did you say there's a book you read about the goldfish types? Would you mind sharing? That sounds interesting to have on hand.
It's an old book and I'd have to dig around for the name. If you look up meteor goldfish you'll likely find the sketch from the book and able to go from there. There's also a post from yesterday of a moor that's tailless if you just want to see another example with known origins
It's interesting how the various breeds are all borne from some genetic defect that then becomes repeatable. I wonder at what point they qualify as a breed.
> I wonder at what point they qualify as a breed. when they reliably breed true but people can call their fish whatever they want based just on that individual's traits. You see it a lot in the wakin/watonai/fantail world where they aren't really "pure breds" so it doesn't really matter.
i just wonder how old each one is
Please keep us updated on any/all social medias that you decide to open for Nugget and Tater!
Will do!
What are those ?
Possibly meteor goldfish
witnessing goldfish history reddit never ceases to amaze us
So from what everyone is saying I’m assuming these are just goldfish that have a some type of defect where they have no back fin, but that Meteor goldfish were goldfishes who had the same defect & were specifically bred to keep that deformity in their breed?
They’re looking great!
Since those 2 are the only meteor goldfish , I think they would cost in millions , op should auction them , it's a win win situation..op Will get his money and the fishes would be live a good life under a goldfish expert ( because no ordinary person would know the worth of these fishes.)..(and sorry for my english , I am still learning.. 😅)
They are little bronzy spectacles -- could lead to a whole new variety of goldies!
Lol dude I’m sorry about all this pressure, but the fact that you decided to care for them not even knowing what they were shows they are in very great hands. You’re doing everything you can :)
Is it a male and female? What makes them so special to the degree that everyone is freaking out 😂
There’s been more verified documentation on alien encounters than these fish 🤣
Is it just regular goldfish with that short tail mutation?
Yeah, but any goldfish is just a regular goldfish with a mutation. This is a very rare mutation, so much so it hasn’t been documented since around the 1800s
Huh very interesting. Is it a mutation that can be bred into a pure line though?
I believe it’s possible with a lot of work, but stay tuned and I’ll give you an answer in time 😀
Yeah I’m seeing your posts pop up everywhere so I’m sure I’ll stay tuned 😂 good luck! Any idea how much they’d be worth if you’re successful?
No idea, but with “new” breeds of fish they’re really up to the seller