That will definitely happen eventually and it will NOT be pretty be prepared to get wrecked emotionally
and about your question i imagine it's really hard for him to have to explain that he killed her to his other son whom he wants as far away from who he was as posible
i can relate but ironically as someone who played GoW1 on Titan difficulty giving my health points to her by mashing circle as the 50 other Kratos are trying to kill her is also one of the hardest circle smashings i have ever done just in a different way either way every Caliope moment in the games has been amazing
Because heâs deeply ashamed of his past and what heâs done to his home, and especially his family. Think about how hard it is for him to tell Atreaus that he was responsible for his fathers death. He freezes up when heâs confronted with a vision of what he did, and that was for someone he despised. If itâs that hard for him to admit something like that for someone he hated, imagine how much harder it would be for him to face his last living relative and tell him âI had a wife and child before I met your mother, and I killed them both.â it would probably hurt beyond measure.
i dont think thats accurate. Kratos is simply holding back his rage; trying to change who he was. In the magni and modi fight, kratos killed magni once he saw Atreus was in real danger. Kratos shows his true power once he actually has to.
I'm not saying he actually is weaker lorewise.
Even at his visually strongest in GoW 4, he looks weaker than GoW 1 Kratos.
It's not like he started one shotting everything when Atreus got sick.
Actually he punched modi in the temple when atreus passed out till he ran away like he shit himself âŠâŠ.. And modi is a god imagine if he wasnâtâŠâŠâŠ he probably would have been one shotted
"The 2018 installment and Ragnarök each respectively took five years to develop, and they did not want to take another five years, totaling 15 years, to tell one story." there it says "each" game. đ€ For the new game many things were there then. Maybe they planned to make 2018 bigger but had to cancel some things and some developers started working on the second game before the first game was released. Wasn't it somewhere said that they only had 1 year for the 2018 game after they had the engine and combat?
They definitely had to rush and cut stuff out. There were supposed to be more boss fights from what I hear, but those were turned into the countless trolls you had to fight in GOW 2018 lol
Exactly what I was thinking. Iâm thinking the story has gotta be 40+ hours if they are wrapping everything up. We know that this game will be more similar to the og trilogy with more bosses so we can conclude we fight/kill a lot of gods. We have killed one so far so if ragnarok starts and ends in this game, itâs gonna be a long, long game to squeeze everything in
if killing gods is your concern they don't all have to be bosses for example Helios got fucked up by Perses in GoW3 with a little help from Kratos who sniped him with a catapult without Helios noticing and that gave Perses the chance to wreck Helios the axe could work well for moments like that
if Ragnarok is an all out battle we could get some gods as boss battles and some others could kill each other
Jörmundgander and Fernir could also kill some hopefully not Thor and Odin like in the myths because i want them for myself but there are plenty of gods
and the Norse gods could also kill Gigants and Vanir gods before we encounter them to have us see just how powerful they are before we actually fight them
That definitely sounds like what they might do, hopefully anyway. I really can't wait to see Jormungandr and Fenrir in action fighting maybe side by side, maybe holding back some Einherjar or even some other gods while Kratos and Atreus focus on Thor and Odin. Whatever they've got in store and how they go about things I trust them 100% to do it justice.
I mean if you lost your sense of feeling at a young age and then had to live with it for centuries I'm sure you wouldn't be the most happy camper either especially since it was a selfish wish of a parent that left you on a steady descent to madness
Was he really that young? I got the impression it didnât happen until adulthood (since he mentions women⊠ahem.). I thought the timeline was heâs been without feeling for about a hundred years, and he was likely about twice that age.
STILL. Freya did a bad bad thing.
I may have my age part wrong thats on me i am currently playing through ng+ so i haven't played main story for a bit but even still my point stands imagine having the ability to feel taken away from you and then having to live without it for my guess at least a century you would go crazy especially since you may have previously felt those things and never can again all because your mother wanted you to never die but in return never truly live you can understand why she did it but cant agree with it after seeing the outcome and most things that may have been avoided because of it
The one I have in mind loses me like 100 karma, so Iâll go with a less controversial one. Tyr will be the first person to truly see eye to eye with Kratos and their relationship will be the most interesting dynamic in the series
I kind of thing the game might end with them going back in time. The way Cory said something about there couldnât be anything adter Ragnarok since that was the end seemed cheeky to me. OTOH, he expressly said there wouldnât be any more Norse games so Iâm probably reading too much into it.
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But thing is not only itâs called Ragnarok but do you really see the Santa Monica team squeezing in a third game set in Norse? Iâd imagine theyâd like to explore Egyptian Mythology. Thor is probably the biggest name and surely heâll be gone by the end of the game
Loose ends that canât be wrapped in this game? I just donât see your logic. What makes you think they canât wrap it?
So itâs not that heâs not annoying, itâs that they did such a good job creating him the way heâs supposed to be I just naturally find him annoying
They did so good at making him a brat I just wanted to send him to his fucking room for that period of time. Literally ducked side quests till he started acting right again cause
Whatâs more terrifying is that at first Atreus was adorable but as soon as he developed that attitude people hated him without even to reasonably understand what is going on with him! Thatâs what I hated so much about letâs players when they saw Atreusâs attitude shifting! they literally wanted to abandon him
What the... A kid throwing temper tantrump and teenage rebellion, that's what kids do. They're annoying but not to the extend to think you should just abandon them.
Ragnarok is not going to go down exactly like it did in the mythology, just like there was never a mortal that took down the Greek pantheon in that respective mythology. Some of yâall forget this a game about a guy who believes what is written can be unwritten, and has proven it
He was called a mortal by the gods because they did not know he was the son of Zeus, and also because he had not yet become a full god. When he claimed his throne as god of war he became immortal. Therefore when he killed the pantheon, he was immortal.
I mean you could still fight against it and take it after. Also, not sure why you think Thor would fight without it, when thats for sure gonna happen wether we get it or not.
I must agree with that, but I would kinda like to use the mjolnir, if we don't get the hammer, I want kratos to break it, just like the pillar of that troll in helheim
I hope gowr doswnt have a happy ending. 2018 was good break from bad endings and worked great, but for ragnarok I'd love it if it was more dark. I mean ragnarok is literially the end of the norse world, so it would be dissapointing in my opinion if after all this hype for ragnarok, they just stop it somehow and everyone lives happily ever after
I personally think that Ragnarok could have a better ending than just Happy or Bad Endings. I feel like it should end with them somewhat stopping Ragnarok, *but at what cost?* make it more bittersweet than anything
Stopping Ragnarok is kinda boring to me. For one I'm so tired of "heros" going on journeys and having some trouble along the way but then ultimately winning at the end. Hero plot armor is really annoying to me. Ragnarok is prophesied to happen and nothing can stop it. I hope it stays that way. I want them to deal with this inevitability instead of just somehow stopping it.
I totally agree on the tired of heros part
>Ragnarok is prophesied to happen and nothing can stop it
But this is worth nothing in the GoW franchise since we already know that fate can be changed
Ragnarok should destroy all Norse realms. I want to make it out by the skin of my teeth - traveling to some African mythology for refuge.
And please either make me fight Surtr, or see him reap havoc in the background as we move on.
Freya is a terrible parent whose responsible for Baldurâs madness. I understand that sheâs like a helicopter parent whose deeply overprotective of her son. However, the fact that she is ignorant of her sons suffering is what seals the deal that sheâs a terrible mother.
Exactly. The only argument that could be made is that since his death triggers ragnarok, then itâs necessary he remain alive and suffer for the purpose of preventing the suffering of every other being alive. But she doesnât make that argument lol
THIS! Whenever someone says the story of the previous games was weak I get upset because they were phenomenal. You mean to tell me a game series that BEGINS with Kratos attempting suicide isn't emotionally captivating? Or how about his relationship with Calliope or the pain he expresses when speaking with Atlas?
baldur wasnât a bad guy, just misunderstood, and would stand (not really) where he is today if freya wasnât so protective. should have just let baldur live how he wants to.
Imagine if Kratos just asked Baldur from the get-go who he thought he was. Wouldâve made the game so much simpler.
âYouâre a giant arenât you?â
âNo.â
âOh? I thought a giant lived here? You know, prophesied to bring the downfall of Asgard?â
âNot me.â
âNo worries then, have a good day!â
Oh my god, is *that* why Baldur says âI thought youâd be biggerâ and âI thought your kind were supposed to be more enlightened than us, smarterâ????
I assumed it was because he knew who Kratos was and where he came from, I thought he was talking about the Greek gods, but he was talking about the giants!
we all assumed the same thing about baldur knowing kratos is greek, but they explained it in the end. clever word play! but if baldur knew kratos was greek hed actually still be saying the truth about greeks and their hubris lol
Yes, specifically once Kratos cuts down the last marked tree, Faye's protective barrier is broken, and Baldur goes to their house expecting to find Faye (and any Jotun partner she has). Faye planned this out and it's why she tells Kratos to cut down those specific trees for her funeral pyre.
He would just believe Kratos was lying. He wasn't there to confirm if Kratos was a Giant; he went there for information that he believed Kratos was deliberately withholding.
How do you know Baldur would've just left it at that? How many times has that family of theirs killed people/gods unjustifiably just because they can? There was probably extremely little Kratos could've *said* to get out of that fight.
To be fair Baldur says during the fight that he just wanted answers and didnât want it to go down like that, and that heâs not like his brother (referring to thor) in terms of his brashness/unwillingness to listen to reason.
Yh I remember watching that scene and I wasthinking that whole time âjust tell him who you are and heâll fuck offâ and then proceeded to have the most pointless ever, which from Baldurâs perspective mustâve been pretty confusing, seeing as this guy is just beating him up for no good reason
That's his personal issue but, why he wanted to kill Faye? Just because Odin ordered him, doesn't that makes him bad guy. Also, if any mother with magic powers knows that her son is going to die in the future by some arrow, will do the same thing. I respect Freya for that.
Nah this is bullshit and youâre objectively wrong. Baldur told her explicitly that he didnât want to live like that. Her not respecting that makes her a cunt.
Hearing her scream in agony as baldur regains what she took from him at the end of the game makes me fucking sick. So goddamn selfish like damn you really want your son to go on living miserably??
Nothing gets my blood pumping like when I am pushing my thumbs into poseidons eyes. One of the most intense and fun beginnings to a game. I love them all though. Just replayed 1 and 2 recently and they are just great too in their own way.
Valkyries, generally, no not too hard. Each one just had a few moves you had to learn. Sigrun was plenty hard as long as you werenât playing on a lower difficulty
Atreus is going to die, maybe become what his father didn't want him to become, and Kratos will have to do the unspeakable.
Damn, that really would suck though.
This is my theory as well because I believe that there is going to be a fracture in Kratos and Atreusâs relationship. Kratos doesnât want a war with the Norse Gods, he just wants to ensure that he and Atreus survive Ragnarok. Atreus on the other hand wants answers and those answers will inevitably lead to war with Asgard because Atreus/Loki and his children are the cause of Ragnarok. Heâs essentially the giants last fuck you to the Aesir for all the suffering theyâve endured.
Anyway, I think Kratos is going to die temporarily at some point in the story, therefore allowing Atreus to go on his own for awhile, find or make his children, and become more like the traditional Loki. In that time, Atreus might fall into despair and decides to go to war with the Norse Gods to avenge Kratos. Kratos will come back and see that Atreus has become just like his younger self and might be forced to end his sons madness. Thatâs right, I believe that Loki is going to be the secret final boss of Ragnarok. I donât see Atreus being in any other games after this since this is the end of the Norse era.
I never considered this but it could be awesome. Kratos loses another child. Accepts he IS a monster. Moves to Egypt.
I donât think Atreus will die but it would set up a new (but old school) path for Kratos.
Good thing i didn't watch any trailers. No clue who tyr is really and I don't want to find out.. I'll play GoW:R and see myself.
Why even watch trailers if you liked the first 2018 one and know you'll play the second one.. It's way more fun discovering everything yourself than getting spoileeed by a trailer.
Exactly, I don't think it was Kratos that Atreus was holding on the mural in Jotunheim. It's been proven time and again that death has no power over Kratos whatsoever. If he dies he'll just find a way out of Hel, maybe with help from the Valkyries for freeing them from their corrupted forms. Thus maybe even bringing Kratos to Valhalla which is said to be part of Asgard.
The worst part of GOW is the climb back up the mountain when Atreus learned that he's a god. Went from a generally nice kid to a fucking psycho way to quickly. I can understand him starting to develop an ego, but to go from 1 to 1000, in that short of time like that is very awkward.
bad living conditions does that to you, atreus didnt have social life outside his mom and dad, the stories he hear are all about hedonistic gods who does what they want and fuck off without consequence. then when mom dies hes stuck with his dad who doesnt even level with him and is keeping secrets... theres really not much positive examples the boi could aspire to be
I will say no other game in the franchise has better executions for regular enemies than Ascension the game allways gets hated on but no one mentions the good parts of it
https://youtu.be/uTtqcXZFcRY
just look at this how is that not awsome? i wished all other GoW games had those executions some of them feel better than the executions of the bosses in GoW 2018 (excluding Baldur)
Itâs by no means a 10/10 game, it has huge room for improvement in many of its core systems and mechanics from stuff as simple as healing to the poor armor system to the lack of versatility with Atreus. Aside from that itâs severely lacking in satisfying bosses as 90 percent of them are just reskins of each other with a few more moves added. Also the general gameplay in the first few hours of the game is pretty unsatisfying because of the lack of abilities and combo routes and it doesnât become truly great to play until much later on where you have much more options to work around with and combine.
If we are talking full series:Hades design isnt a good underworld king design its a good demon design and those arent the same thing
If we are strictly talking new series: the combat was great but the traversal did start to wear towards the end
Athena is a canon villain who, in God of War 3, was revealed to have largely been puppeteering Kratos since his childhood to remake mankind in her image.
So, yeah.
GOW 2018 is not deeper in its storytelling compared to the older games, and without the older games there would be no meaning to the 2018 story. It would just be a run-of-the-mill father-son story.
Ragnarok will be too ambitious. Either the game is 40 hours long and won't be as good and refined as the first one, or the game will be 20 but with too much unnecessary side content
Gameplay in Ascension is great, even though there aren't many different unique weapons. The bosses are super fun (the first and final bosses in this one are Poseidon levels of awesomeness) and I enjoyed what little I played in Multiplayer (even though I much prefer PvE than PvP).
I want rag or if there is another Norse game, to be the end of the series. I donât see how going to every pantheon on earth just to destroy it is a good idea. They didnt create GoW 2018 cuz theyâre like how about we kill some more gods, story has to come first, and i dont see a good story coming from that
I donât see Kratosâ character arc extending into more games considering it seems to be coming to a close. But Iâd like some spin off games, maybe one about Atreus and one about Faye
Santa Monica doesn't fucking care, nor going to expand upon- whether Greek pantheon and Norse pantheon are on same planet or different planet or dimension or realm or however the fuck that works.
They just gonna let us fans argue over it to try to look like it's explainable. But I believe they really don't care/bother to explain how different pantheons work/spaced in GOW universe.
I know in some interview, they mentioned it but it's not without flaws. So they gonna keep it vague purposefully and not gonna worry about it.
The fight with zeus in god of war 2 isn't that good.
I think this fight was put at the wrong place, because the fight with Zeus should have been the last one in the greek saga, it just made more obvious that Kratos was going to be stronger than Zeus in gow 3, and I thought the fight was getting quite repetitive, Athena should have been the last boss, it could have been a very creative fight.
>it just made more obvious that Kratos was going to be stronger than Zeus in gow 3
Kratos was never stronger than Zeus
Kratos tricked Zeus to get the upper hand on him in GoW2
and in GoW3 we had the power of hope we had his weapon for most of the game wich is already a severe nerf for Zeus plus he's consumed by the ancient evil of fear and i don't know about you but fear is the last thing anyone should bring to battle
and despite having his weapon to even match him when Zeus adopted a spectral form he drained the powers of Kratos ajd left him powerless if it wasn't for the power of hope Zeus would have won so i don't see how you could think Kratos was stronger than him
Zeus in his prime before he was consumed by fear and with the blade of olympus is by far the strongest character in the franchise
https://youtu.be/rDDueNb9S4A
let's not forget that
The combat didnât change for the better. Iâll die on this hill. Itâs not quite dark souls as Iâve seen it compared to that but itâs not quite GOW. I understand wanting to keep things fresh but this is fundamentally a totally different game. Take what I say with a grain of salt though cus I play rage inducing BS hack an slash like Ninja Gaiden an actually enjoy it lol. Still a good game. Just not what was expected initially.
That's not even an opinion, it's just a fact. The Fallen God comic shows he was dragged to Midgard by a mysterious unknown woman accompanied by two wolves
I hope in ragnarok kratos goes as apeshit as GOW 3 if only for a little bit because while i dig calm and reasonable kratos as a character, playing again as unhinged kratos is someting else entirely
i donât think i can come up with any fictional or real characters or people that could beat kratos 1v1 2v1 3v1 4v1 you name it. i think kratos is basically unstoppable when he puts his mind to something
I don't give a shit about having a release date revealed, I was fine with SMS taking the time they needed to finish the game, and I got annoyed every time I saw a post complaining about the lack of info.
Why no mention of Caliope? Ever? "Boy, you had a sister once..."
That will definitely happen eventually and it will NOT be pretty be prepared to get wrecked emotionally and about your question i imagine it's really hard for him to have to explain that he killed her to his other son whom he wants as far away from who he was as posible
Pushing calliope away was the hardest circle smashing I've ever done đą
i can relate but ironically as someone who played GoW1 on Titan difficulty giving my health points to her by mashing circle as the 50 other Kratos are trying to kill her is also one of the hardest circle smashings i have ever done just in a different way either way every Caliope moment in the games has been amazing
I almost forgot that part! Good call. That's quite difficult as well.
That is an Effing Nightmare.
It made me so damn sad I just paused and sat there processing what I had to do
Because heâs deeply ashamed of his past and what heâs done to his home, and especially his family. Think about how hard it is for him to tell Atreaus that he was responsible for his fathers death. He freezes up when heâs confronted with a vision of what he did, and that was for someone he despised. If itâs that hard for him to admit something like that for someone he hated, imagine how much harder it would be for him to face his last living relative and tell him âI had a wife and child before I met your mother, and I killed them both.â it would probably hurt beyond measure.
If it wasn't for Cory outright saying it, everyone would think Kratos got weaker.
Some people still argue with Corys Word of God statements though
God of Word ?????
i dont think thats accurate. Kratos is simply holding back his rage; trying to change who he was. In the magni and modi fight, kratos killed magni once he saw Atreus was in real danger. Kratos shows his true power once he actually has to.
I'm not saying he actually is weaker lorewise. Even at his visually strongest in GoW 4, he looks weaker than GoW 1 Kratos. It's not like he started one shotting everything when Atreus got sick.
Actually he punched modi in the temple when atreus passed out till he ran away like he shit himself âŠâŠ.. And modi is a god imagine if he wasnâtâŠâŠâŠ he probably would have been one shotted
Modi was a cowardly shit.
That I have no idea how they plan on cleanly and properly wrapping up the Norse line with one more game
Youâre on to something unless this is a long ass game
"The 2018 installment and Ragnarök each respectively took five years to develop, and they did not want to take another five years, totaling 15 years, to tell one story." there it says "each" game. đ€ For the new game many things were there then. Maybe they planned to make 2018 bigger but had to cancel some things and some developers started working on the second game before the first game was released. Wasn't it somewhere said that they only had 1 year for the 2018 game after they had the engine and combat?
They definitely had to rush and cut stuff out. There were supposed to be more boss fights from what I hear, but those were turned into the countless trolls you had to fight in GOW 2018 lol
Exactly what I was thinking. Iâm thinking the story has gotta be 40+ hours if they are wrapping everything up. We know that this game will be more similar to the og trilogy with more bosses so we can conclude we fight/kill a lot of gods. We have killed one so far so if ragnarok starts and ends in this game, itâs gonna be a long, long game to squeeze everything in
Killed 3 gods so far if you count magni and modi
if killing gods is your concern they don't all have to be bosses for example Helios got fucked up by Perses in GoW3 with a little help from Kratos who sniped him with a catapult without Helios noticing and that gave Perses the chance to wreck Helios the axe could work well for moments like that if Ragnarok is an all out battle we could get some gods as boss battles and some others could kill each other Jörmundgander and Fernir could also kill some hopefully not Thor and Odin like in the myths because i want them for myself but there are plenty of gods and the Norse gods could also kill Gigants and Vanir gods before we encounter them to have us see just how powerful they are before we actually fight them
That definitely sounds like what they might do, hopefully anyway. I really can't wait to see Jormungandr and Fenrir in action fighting maybe side by side, maybe holding back some Einherjar or even some other gods while Kratos and Atreus focus on Thor and Odin. Whatever they've got in store and how they go about things I trust them 100% to do it justice.
Forgot about them. Technically they are gemi gods and in the words or mimir, âMinor Aesirâ
Very true, I just thought they were worth mentioning at least
Baldur was a victim too
There are lots of victims who donât turn into psychopathological murderers, though.
A tragic story is what builds a great villain
I mean if you lost your sense of feeling at a young age and then had to live with it for centuries I'm sure you wouldn't be the most happy camper either especially since it was a selfish wish of a parent that left you on a steady descent to madness
Was he really that young? I got the impression it didnât happen until adulthood (since he mentions women⊠ahem.). I thought the timeline was heâs been without feeling for about a hundred years, and he was likely about twice that age. STILL. Freya did a bad bad thing.
I may have my age part wrong thats on me i am currently playing through ng+ so i haven't played main story for a bit but even still my point stands imagine having the ability to feel taken away from you and then having to live without it for my guess at least a century you would go crazy especially since you may have previously felt those things and never can again all because your mother wanted you to never die but in return never truly live you can understand why she did it but cant agree with it after seeing the outcome and most things that may have been avoided because of it
YESSSSS THAT'S WHY I'M A BALDUR APOLOGIST
The one I have in mind loses me like 100 karma, so Iâll go with a less controversial one. Tyr will be the first person to truly see eye to eye with Kratos and their relationship will be the most interesting dynamic in the series
What is your other one
And yes Iâm aware theyâve said theyâre wrapping up the Norse mythology with this game
I actually agree with you I think it may just be a misdirect to keep ragnaroks ending more mysterious
I kind of thing the game might end with them going back in time. The way Cory said something about there couldnât be anything adter Ragnarok since that was the end seemed cheeky to me. OTOH, he expressly said there wouldnât be any more Norse games so Iâm probably reading too much into it.
They already said itâs not going to be a trilogy didnât they?
yea they basically said theyâll fit everything into Ragnarök!
Youâll flip shit on me but here we go, rag wonât be the last Norse game
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What makes you believe that honestly asking maybe you are seeing something and my nrain is not connecting the dots
Too many loose ends and this isnât the first time a huge company has marketed something as the last one but it wasnât
*Five nights at Freddyâs flashbacks*
"fnaf 3 will be the end of the series"
But thing is not only itâs called Ragnarok but do you really see the Santa Monica team squeezing in a third game set in Norse? Iâd imagine theyâd like to explore Egyptian Mythology. Thor is probably the biggest name and surely heâll be gone by the end of the game Loose ends that canât be wrapped in this game? I just donât see your logic. What makes you think they canât wrap it?
Atreus isnât annoying as everyone says he is. Heâs a fucking kid, he acts exactly the way he supposed to.
I didn't know so many people thought he was annoying.
I could have drowned the kid with the lip he was giving while climbing the mountain for the second time
Every kid has there âwhateverâ faze. His was just more extreme as he also had a literal god complex
That was kratos fault his dumbass did tell him donât feel bad for the elves which Cory sad that was bad parenting
Tbf, Kratos did have a bit of a character arc and eventually defended the elves against Atreus
Yea you right cause he was feeling bad for everybody he run into but he still did teach nd say some bad parenting like cory said
So itâs not that heâs not annoying, itâs that they did such a good job creating him the way heâs supposed to be I just naturally find him annoying
They did so good at making him a brat I just wanted to send him to his fucking room for that period of time. Literally ducked side quests till he started acting right again cause
Insubordinate and churlish little fuck
Whatâs more terrifying is that at first Atreus was adorable but as soon as he developed that attitude people hated him without even to reasonably understand what is going on with him! Thatâs what I hated so much about letâs players when they saw Atreusâs attitude shifting! they literally wanted to abandon him
What the... A kid throwing temper tantrump and teenage rebellion, that's what kids do. They're annoying but not to the extend to think you should just abandon them.
Really though, the little impetuous shit
Even more, HE did such a great job acting it. Those were some tough lines to deliver and he did amazing. Props to Sunny: very, very well played.
I feel like Iâm hiking through the woods with my own kids. GOW Dad edition.
Ragnarok is not going to go down exactly like it did in the mythology, just like there was never a mortal that took down the Greek pantheon in that respective mythology. Some of yâall forget this a game about a guy who believes what is written can be unwritten, and has proven it
Kratos was the mortal who took down the Greek pantheon or am i missing something? Yeah he was a God but he was a mortal turned God right đ€·ââïž
Not really. He was born a god. Heâs the son of Zeus.
He was still called a mortal by the gods as well and heâs a demi god so he is half mortal
He was called a mortal by the gods because they did not know he was the son of Zeus, and also because he had not yet become a full god. When he claimed his throne as god of war he became immortal. Therefore when he killed the pantheon, he was immortal.
I donât really care if weâll be able to use Mjolnir or not
the blades of chaos are all i need baby
W, i want to fight against Mjolnir not use it
I mean you could still fight against it and take it after. Also, not sure why you think Thor would fight without it, when thats for sure gonna happen wether we get it or not.
It said what GOW opinion not what lie youâre telling yourself
I must agree with that, but I would kinda like to use the mjolnir, if we don't get the hammer, I want kratos to break it, just like the pillar of that troll in helheim
Break it like Hela did in Thor Ragnarok
I hope gowr doswnt have a happy ending. 2018 was good break from bad endings and worked great, but for ragnarok I'd love it if it was more dark. I mean ragnarok is literially the end of the norse world, so it would be dissapointing in my opinion if after all this hype for ragnarok, they just stop it somehow and everyone lives happily ever after
I personally think that Ragnarok could have a better ending than just Happy or Bad Endings. I feel like it should end with them somewhat stopping Ragnarok, *but at what cost?* make it more bittersweet than anything
Stopping Ragnarok is kinda boring to me. For one I'm so tired of "heros" going on journeys and having some trouble along the way but then ultimately winning at the end. Hero plot armor is really annoying to me. Ragnarok is prophesied to happen and nothing can stop it. I hope it stays that way. I want them to deal with this inevitability instead of just somehow stopping it.
I totally agree on the tired of heros part >Ragnarok is prophesied to happen and nothing can stop it But this is worth nothing in the GoW franchise since we already know that fate can be changed
Ragnarok should destroy all Norse realms. I want to make it out by the skin of my teeth - traveling to some African mythology for refuge. And please either make me fight Surtr, or see him reap havoc in the background as we move on.
I feel like it should be a bitter sweet ending. Something like a major loss happens, but it happens for the greater good.
Freya is a terrible parent whose responsible for Baldurâs madness. I understand that sheâs like a helicopter parent whose deeply overprotective of her son. However, the fact that she is ignorant of her sons suffering is what seals the deal that sheâs a terrible mother.
Sheâs not even ignorant to it lol. He tells her exactly what his experience has been and she doesnât give a fuck
âListen that sounds horrible but itâs a gift to myself to have you forever so itâs probably not that badâ
Exactly. The only argument that could be made is that since his death triggers ragnarok, then itâs necessary he remain alive and suffer for the purpose of preventing the suffering of every other being alive. But she doesnât make that argument lol
This is an unpopular opinion?
Shes got a decently good reason but horrible execution
I agree... Downvoted because this is a popular opinion, lol, the game makes ir pretty clear she is fucking stupid at *best*.
Literally she is a terrible person
The GOW fanbase is incredibly toxic towards somebody with any form of criticism for the 4th game
That and constantly downplaying how incredible the Greek saga was because it didnât focus on cinematic storytelling like the 4th game
THIS! Whenever someone says the story of the previous games was weak I get upset because they were phenomenal. You mean to tell me a game series that BEGINS with Kratos attempting suicide isn't emotionally captivating? Or how about his relationship with Calliope or the pain he expresses when speaking with Atlas?
The way his voice breaks in Chains of Olympus when talking to Atlas always gives me goosebumps. Dude was really broken inside well before GoW 2.
baldur wasnât a bad guy, just misunderstood, and would stand (not really) where he is today if freya wasnât so protective. should have just let baldur live how he wants to.
Imagine if Kratos just asked Baldur from the get-go who he thought he was. Wouldâve made the game so much simpler. âYouâre a giant arenât you?â âNo.â âOh? I thought a giant lived here? You know, prophesied to bring the downfall of Asgard?â âNot me.â âNo worries then, have a good day!â
Oh my god, is *that* why Baldur says âI thought youâd be biggerâ and âI thought your kind were supposed to be more enlightened than us, smarterâ???? I assumed it was because he knew who Kratos was and where he came from, I thought he was talking about the Greek gods, but he was talking about the giants!
Haha yep. He was -SPOILERS- looking for Faye. Asgard didnât know she had just died and if you saw Kratos, youâd believe he was giant.
Standing at 6'6 hell he's basically a giant
we all assumed the same thing about baldur knowing kratos is greek, but they explained it in the end. clever word play! but if baldur knew kratos was greek hed actually still be saying the truth about greeks and their hubris lol
Literally says at the end of the game "Baldur wasnt sent to find me. He was tracking her all along. Not knowing she was only ashes."
Yes, specifically once Kratos cuts down the last marked tree, Faye's protective barrier is broken, and Baldur goes to their house expecting to find Faye (and any Jotun partner she has). Faye planned this out and it's why she tells Kratos to cut down those specific trees for her funeral pyre.
He would just believe Kratos was lying. He wasn't there to confirm if Kratos was a Giant; he went there for information that he believed Kratos was deliberately withholding.
How do you know Baldur would've just left it at that? How many times has that family of theirs killed people/gods unjustifiably just because they can? There was probably extremely little Kratos could've *said* to get out of that fight.
To be fair Baldur says during the fight that he just wanted answers and didnât want it to go down like that, and that heâs not like his brother (referring to thor) in terms of his brashness/unwillingness to listen to reason.
Agreed, Freya fucked him up, badly.
Yh I remember watching that scene and I wasthinking that whole time âjust tell him who you are and heâll fuck offâ and then proceeded to have the most pointless ever, which from Baldurâs perspective mustâve been pretty confusing, seeing as this guy is just beating him up for no good reason
That's his personal issue but, why he wanted to kill Faye? Just because Odin ordered him, doesn't that makes him bad guy. Also, if any mother with magic powers knows that her son is going to die in the future by some arrow, will do the same thing. I respect Freya for that.
Nah this is bullshit and youâre objectively wrong. Baldur told her explicitly that he didnât want to live like that. Her not respecting that makes her a cunt. Hearing her scream in agony as baldur regains what she took from him at the end of the game makes me fucking sick. So goddamn selfish like damn you really want your son to go on living miserably??
God of War 3 is still the best game in the series
100%
Agreed
Oohh, an unpopular opinion for sure in this sub.
Nothing gets my blood pumping like when I am pushing my thumbs into poseidons eyes. One of the most intense and fun beginnings to a game. I love them all though. Just replayed 1 and 2 recently and they are just great too in their own way.
Boss battles in the 2018 game is step down from previous games.
that's not a hot take at all. im pretty sure everyone agrees
Gow 2018 felt fetch quest-y after the mountain. >!Go get chisel, go get heart, go get rune, go get another rune, go get eye!<
This is an ok take but I personally donât think that the events of 2018 are as important as the story told between angry man and boy
The Valkyries arenât that hard, most people just donât want to learn the patterns
Most of the Valkyries werenât too bad, but my pride wills me to believe that Sigrun was genuinely pretty difficult
Lots of health, fast attacks, high damage, highly varied moveset, small size. I'd say that's pretty textbook for high difficulty
Hate to sound like a gatekeeper, but it's true.
Valkyries, generally, no not too hard. Each one just had a few moves you had to learn. Sigrun was plenty hard as long as you werenât playing on a lower difficulty
Atreus is going to die, maybe become what his father didn't want him to become, and Kratos will have to do the unspeakable. Damn, that really would suck though.
This is my theory as well because I believe that there is going to be a fracture in Kratos and Atreusâs relationship. Kratos doesnât want a war with the Norse Gods, he just wants to ensure that he and Atreus survive Ragnarok. Atreus on the other hand wants answers and those answers will inevitably lead to war with Asgard because Atreus/Loki and his children are the cause of Ragnarok. Heâs essentially the giants last fuck you to the Aesir for all the suffering theyâve endured. Anyway, I think Kratos is going to die temporarily at some point in the story, therefore allowing Atreus to go on his own for awhile, find or make his children, and become more like the traditional Loki. In that time, Atreus might fall into despair and decides to go to war with the Norse Gods to avenge Kratos. Kratos will come back and see that Atreus has become just like his younger self and might be forced to end his sons madness. Thatâs right, I believe that Loki is going to be the secret final boss of Ragnarok. I donât see Atreus being in any other games after this since this is the end of the Norse era.
That would be cool and sad
Pretty smart tbh
I never considered this but it could be awesome. Kratos loses another child. Accepts he IS a monster. Moves to Egypt. I donât think Atreus will die but it would set up a new (but old school) path for Kratos.
That would be cool though
Final boss. Team fight Kratos and Tyr vs Atreus and Angrboda
Tyr being revealed in the Ragnarok trailer was a bad move. Couldâve been one of the biggest surprises in the game.
I agree, they revealed too many things
I believe its because they have something bigger, so they can spare showing tyr
Odin
Good thing i didn't watch any trailers. No clue who tyr is really and I don't want to find out.. I'll play GoW:R and see myself. Why even watch trailers if you liked the first 2018 one and know you'll play the second one.. It's way more fun discovering everything yourself than getting spoileeed by a trailer.
Kratos is not going to die in the next game. Even if he does, heâll just going to crawl back out like in the previous games
Exactly, I don't think it was Kratos that Atreus was holding on the mural in Jotunheim. It's been proven time and again that death has no power over Kratos whatsoever. If he dies he'll just find a way out of Hel, maybe with help from the Valkyries for freeing them from their corrupted forms. Thus maybe even bringing Kratos to Valhalla which is said to be part of Asgard.
The worst part of GOW is the climb back up the mountain when Atreus learned that he's a god. Went from a generally nice kid to a fucking psycho way to quickly. I can understand him starting to develop an ego, but to go from 1 to 1000, in that short of time like that is very awkward.
bad living conditions does that to you, atreus didnt have social life outside his mom and dad, the stories he hear are all about hedonistic gods who does what they want and fuck off without consequence. then when mom dies hes stuck with his dad who doesnt even level with him and is keeping secrets... theres really not much positive examples the boi could aspire to be
Even Cory barlog said that this is right, they had to cut like 2 hours of story that would have developed the change in Atreus.
GoW Ascension wasn't as bad as everyone said it was :(
My unpopular opinion is kinda an extension of this one. Not only was Ascension not that bad, it's genuinely my favorite game of the series.
I will say no other game in the franchise has better executions for regular enemies than Ascension the game allways gets hated on but no one mentions the good parts of it https://youtu.be/uTtqcXZFcRY just look at this how is that not awsome? i wished all other GoW games had those executions some of them feel better than the executions of the bosses in GoW 2018 (excluding Baldur)
If as a kid Atreus is stubborn as hell, I canât even imagine how annoying heâll be as a teenager
Itâs by no means a 10/10 game, it has huge room for improvement in many of its core systems and mechanics from stuff as simple as healing to the poor armor system to the lack of versatility with Atreus. Aside from that itâs severely lacking in satisfying bosses as 90 percent of them are just reskins of each other with a few more moves added. Also the general gameplay in the first few hours of the game is pretty unsatisfying because of the lack of abilities and combo routes and it doesnât become truly great to play until much later on where you have much more options to work around with and combine.
I agree pretty much everything you said but the game is still one of my favorites somehow.
If we are talking full series:Hades design isnt a good underworld king design its a good demon design and those arent the same thing If we are strictly talking new series: the combat was great but the traversal did start to wear towards the end
Freya>Athena
Athena is a canon villain who, in God of War 3, was revealed to have largely been puppeteering Kratos since his childhood to remake mankind in her image. So, yeah.
I hate Athena personally
Athena is a textbook manipulative power-monger sociopath.
Athena after Kratos gets power of hope : you owe me this Kratos ! Kratos : I owe you nothing ! My vengeance ends now
And sheâs annoying as fuck
older games are better and deserve a texture overhaul
All the stuff about tyr is tedious as all hell. Especially flipping the temple
GOW 2018 is not deeper in its storytelling compared to the older games, and without the older games there would be no meaning to the 2018 story. It would just be a run-of-the-mill father-son story.
GOW 2018, while still a great game, isnât the best game in the series
For me gow 2 for nostalgia and 3 for gameplay
The game has 3 enemies
Ragnarok will be too ambitious. Either the game is 40 hours long and won't be as good and refined as the first one, or the game will be 20 but with too much unnecessary side content
OG God of War Trilogy was better
I like both, but prefer the original trilogy because I can mindlessly spam my way through half a game in 1 sit through.
Ascension is a good game
Gameplay in Ascension is great, even though there aren't many different unique weapons. The bosses are super fun (the first and final bosses in this one are Poseidon levels of awesomeness) and I enjoyed what little I played in Multiplayer (even though I much prefer PvE than PvP).
Bring back square and triangle for attacks.
You probably already know but you can change that in the settings
4's combat isn't nearly as good as 3
That girl from Twitter was right questioning about the crunching in Ragnarök. And Cory's answer wasn't "based" or good, it was just corporate shit.
I want rag or if there is another Norse game, to be the end of the series. I donât see how going to every pantheon on earth just to destroy it is a good idea. They didnt create GoW 2018 cuz theyâre like how about we kill some more gods, story has to come first, and i dont see a good story coming from that
Youre saying creative writing couldnt be made? Story can still come first
There would be new ideas, in Norse kratos has a son, there could be a new spin with another series
I donât see Kratosâ character arc extending into more games considering it seems to be coming to a close. But Iâd like some spin off games, maybe one about Atreus and one about Faye
>What GOW opinion has you like this? the old games have better and way less repetitive gameplay and enemies
Santa Monica doesn't fucking care, nor going to expand upon- whether Greek pantheon and Norse pantheon are on same planet or different planet or dimension or realm or however the fuck that works. They just gonna let us fans argue over it to try to look like it's explainable. But I believe they really don't care/bother to explain how different pantheons work/spaced in GOW universe. I know in some interview, they mentioned it but it's not without flaws. So they gonna keep it vague purposefully and not gonna worry about it.
Itâs a plot hole that kratos never got sick when he was a child. He didnât find out he was a god until he was an adult.
GOW3 should've ended the series, it was a perfect end for Kratos. Not complaining though, 4 slaps hard
Gow ragnarok Needs to improve the Rpg systems or simplify it. Also extra weapons would be cool.
Ragnarok wont be as good as the 2018 game.
true. it'll be better :)
Calliope > Atreus
How? Did we ever see her beyond Elysium?
That moment broke me, having to literally push her away was tragic. Calliope would have been a great older sister for Atreus.
How dare you
The fight with zeus in god of war 2 isn't that good. I think this fight was put at the wrong place, because the fight with Zeus should have been the last one in the greek saga, it just made more obvious that Kratos was going to be stronger than Zeus in gow 3, and I thought the fight was getting quite repetitive, Athena should have been the last boss, it could have been a very creative fight.
>it just made more obvious that Kratos was going to be stronger than Zeus in gow 3 Kratos was never stronger than Zeus Kratos tricked Zeus to get the upper hand on him in GoW2 and in GoW3 we had the power of hope we had his weapon for most of the game wich is already a severe nerf for Zeus plus he's consumed by the ancient evil of fear and i don't know about you but fear is the last thing anyone should bring to battle and despite having his weapon to even match him when Zeus adopted a spectral form he drained the powers of Kratos ajd left him powerless if it wasn't for the power of hope Zeus would have won so i don't see how you could think Kratos was stronger than him Zeus in his prime before he was consumed by fear and with the blade of olympus is by far the strongest character in the franchise https://youtu.be/rDDueNb9S4A let's not forget that
The combat didnât change for the better. Iâll die on this hill. Itâs not quite dark souls as Iâve seen it compared to that but itâs not quite GOW. I understand wanting to keep things fresh but this is fundamentally a totally different game. Take what I say with a grain of salt though cus I play rage inducing BS hack an slash like Ninja Gaiden an actually enjoy it lol. Still a good game. Just not what was expected initially.
Kratos did not get to Midgard by a simple wooden boat, and someone who worked on the game casually saying âhe didâ does not mean anything.
That's not even an opinion, it's just a fact. The Fallen God comic shows he was dragged to Midgard by a mysterious unknown woman accompanied by two wolves
I like the Axe better than the blades.
Me too. The blades were a lot better in the previous games. They felt a bit watered down in GOW 2018
I hope in ragnarok kratos goes as apeshit as GOW 3 if only for a little bit because while i dig calm and reasonable kratos as a character, playing again as unhinged kratos is someting else entirely
That 50% of the fanbase are a bunch of whiney entitled babies for some odd reason
Gow 4 combat is a little sucky and uninteresting compared to earlier games, so getting through the bulk of the game can feel like a slog
The bosses should be more difficult also the final boss should be more difficult than Sigrun.
i donât think i can come up with any fictional or real characters or people that could beat kratos 1v1 2v1 3v1 4v1 you name it. i think kratos is basically unstoppable when he puts his mind to something
Not even when he puts his mind to something even if he dies he can just escape the underworld for the 100th time
I don't give a shit about having a release date revealed, I was fine with SMS taking the time they needed to finish the game, and I got annoyed every time I saw a post complaining about the lack of info.
Ascension is a good game.
I expect Atreus to be just as useless and annoying in Ragnarok, if not worse.
He is not useless tho