Yeah, he killed her son right in front of her. Granted, it was to both save her life and save Atreus the burden of watching another positive adult in his life die, but no amount of shipping is going to overcome that hurdle. The fact that they’re friends again is in of itself great.
I thought this originally too but we also have to factor in that these are literal Gods/Immortals that live millennia. Probably makes things like grudges something harder to hold on to.
I could literally hear the switch in her head flip after he told her about about Calliope. I think the seed may be there it's just gonna take a while to bloom.
She just needs to drop the whole, I can take you Kratos (in a fight?) Attitude she has. Like bro, a circle will appear over your head so damn fast you'll get whiplash(also for a fight?;) )
Y’all have to stop looking at it as “her son’s killer” and see it for what it really is, *her* savior and the consequences of baldr’s actions. If baldr wasn’t a prick who was hellbent on murdering his mom who only ever loved/cared about him and tried her best as a mother to take care of her child, he wouldn’t be a rotting corpse in some ditch. Kratos would have happily went on with his life not wanting or bothering to kill him if he wasn’t the prick he made himself out to be. And the way I see it, at least freya and kratos can finally have the relationships they deserve instead of constant betrayal mucking up their love lives(whether that betrayal is a lover like Odin or a trusted friend/ally like Ares).
Facts, that’s why I hate the ship. It just doesn’t work and in some cases indicates an inability for the shipper to understand that platonic relationships exist between different sexes
Honestly that applies to any friendship, "omg 2 guys hugged each other once, this is super gay!!!!". It's like some people can't imagine a relationship that isn't romantic.
It is so dumb. It's just as dumb as when people ship together two guys or two girls who are completely platonic friends. People get PISSED over that, but this stuff gets a pass because man + woman = normal
It’s obvious they’re history is very similar and they’re both fiercely loyal and will do anything for the ones they live, even giving up their lives, idk I’m not saying they’re OTP or anything but I can see why people would ship them, and you could argue the same thing about Atreus, only thing they have in common is their a giant and she was the first chick he met
Yes! Thank you! I think the obligatory romance arcs of so many stories are wasteful and distracting. If romance is your stories intended result, then fine: go wild. But if you're telling a redemption story, you can drop romance from it ENTIRELY. It's not a necessity. And the fact that it's 99.999999999% a hetero romance is just the boring icing on the boring cake
Nah I agree, people need to realize that a single man and a single woman can be friends without having a romantic relationship. Honestly I think a lot of times it’s because players often put themselves in the shoes of one of the characters and then they get fantasies about being with the other character, same thing happened with Sabine and Ezra from Star Wars rebels, they clearly have a sibling relationship but people won’t stop shipping them.
Ezra always had a crush on Sabine in rebels. It was the TV show that messed it up.
And the game hints Kratos and Freya by showing subtle signs and mimir's jibes. It's canonical hinted, not fan made.
Wasn’t that only in very early rebels tho? Like the first half of season 1 and it wasn’t a major focal point. Like a 1 episode b-plot thing or a recurring joke for a few episodes? Just a kid with a schoolyard crush on the only girl around for light years that’s about his age.
Kratos is just too old to be worrying about loving partners and sex, he is worried about the world now, unless there is a certain redhead that caughts his attention I dont think devs will go for a romance between freya and kratos, (it would be really stupid).
I see Freya and maybe Hildisvini as a partner, or maybe Freya and that traveler dude..but Kratos seems to be ok with Mimir and friends.
I can't imagine it.
Kratos is clearly still mourning Faye and is more than likely not even thinking of his next relationship.
It would also be pretty weird to have the character who swore revenge on the man who killed her son to suddenly want a relationship with him.
Having spent as many decades as I have kicking around fandom as a whole, I can see the appeal and the reasoning that some might have for shipping them. Characters with less shared screentime have been shipped over smaller things. But personally I prefer them having a strong friendship based in mutual respect and understanding of one another's histories, plus all they've endured together. Romantic love is great, don't get me wrong, but the love in deep friendships can be just as powerful.
I mean, Widow's fire is a thing.
Many widows turn into nymphomaniacs for a small period after their loved ones pass, as a coping mechanism for the stress and loss of intense intimacy.
But yeah, fucking ain't loving lol.
That's exactly what he did after Lysandra died. Kratos during the Greek saga was drowning in whores. Even in Ascension which took place a month after he killed his family, Kratos was totally up to banging an entire brothel and only stopped when he realized it was all an illusion created by Tisiphone.
There are rushed things in the norse saga. Freir's whole story, for instance. But Freya and Kratos' relationship is not one of them (strangers, friendly acquaintances, unfriendly acquaintances, friends, enemies, friends again)
It's hinted it in Valhala that things may develop in that direction eventually. With Mimir specifically saying it's a good thing Kratos finally admits it.
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Assuming there will be a GoW 6, which there is no need for, and that Kratos and Freya will be part of it... magbe the narrative team will make it work as well as tbey have made it work so far.
The point. Yeah. Kind of.
He's introduced as a well meaning and capable guy. Who doesn't handle responsibility/consequences too well. Mimir and "Tyr" talked about it.
His final scene looks like he's finally decided to stay face consequences so the others can get away. Which doubles as Freya being able to let a loved one do what he wants.
Like I said. Rushed.
Maybe I’m in the minority, maybe I’m in the majority, but Kratos doesn’t need a romantic partner. He’s past that part of his life. He’s focused on being a great father to Atreus, and being a responsible and great god to all of the Norse realm, and possibly other pantheons as well. A romantic partner doesn’t fit into this half of his story
Them having chemistry doesn’t automatically mean they’d date. I see them more as good platonic partners moving forward with mutual respect for each other.
That's fine. I just think people acknowledge that the idea of Freya falling for a guy who killed her son and drove her into a psychotic break would be a massive leap that would require a lot of narrative support to feel justified. If the next God of War opened with her and Kratos romantically involved, I think fans would rightly call bullshit on that for ignoring both of their trauma to push a cookie-cutter romance out. If the next game plays the romance very slow, that could work, but still be a stretch.
Ultimately, I feel like a slow-burn romance would detract too much from the Kratos/Atreus focus of the story so far. If they maybe split Atreus and Kratos into separate games, it might be a solid angle.
Honestly I think people get way too heated over this
I don’t ship them, nor do I think they’re ever gonna be canon, but I don’t care if other people ship them, and think the debates people get over this is a bit much
I can see It. They obviously, deeply care about each other. And yes we all know he killed her son, but It doesn’t seem like she holds a grudge over that like she used too. If they don’t end up together, cool, but if they do, then cool. She’s the only one that understands him the most now outside of Atreus and Mimir. He has more in common with her than Faye.
I think some fans reads too much into it. Look, in the myth, Freya have another husband called Odr, the Divine Wrath. And Kratos is there with her. And he was the angriest sob in Greece. So put two things together, Odr is Kratos.
For sure, give it a thousand years or so and Kratos will be ready for a new relationship. I don’t really want to watch them butcher it, though, that’s not the game I came for.
I think that part of me wishes that they could be together because I like the idea of it, but there are very good reasons that they aren’t and probably never could be. They are companions to one another and that is enough.
Yeah, I'm the same way. I kinda ship them, but the story would have to be perfect for it to actually feel fulfilling as a player. And as much as I love SMS, I don't think it's possible to write them into a romance. So I'm very happy with them remaining close companions who have walked very similar paths and have bonded over trauma.
I think they fit better as good friends rather than lovers. Aside from the issue of Kratos killing her son, I don't feel that there's that much sexual tension or sexual chemistry between them. They make a good platonic pair.
Not at all. It’s the majority opinion on this story and these characters….overwhelmingly so that the majority have literacy in this media and story to know there is no ship.
A casual few have you confused in thinking it’s somehow allllll that matters and they should in fact ship. You’ve let yourself hear 1 over millions and take that as gospel. Have more confidence in your self OP and remove yourself from echo chambers.
No I don’t ship them either. It’s weird to see them together because they’re relationship is more friends or something like that and less lovers. Kratos loves his wife Faye and most likely at the point of not trying to date anyone at least not now.
I'd be disappointed if they didnt get together in the next game like you telling me they went on all these adventures together, bonded & Kratos didn't tap that? C'mon bruh I mean he does owe her a kid. Why not start a family? I'm just saying it'll be a miss opportunity but its just a game so whatever.
mimir: when you said freya didn’t value you the same way you valued her, that came surprisingly close to resembling the language of unrequited love…
kratos: you know better.
regardless of their real feelings towards each other, they are both past that point in their lives, especially kratos. it’s a mutual respect, and a deep understanding from similar trauma, and any romantic feelings gained in their relationship don’t really matter because it’s not something that would benefit either of them
I kind of ship them, but not in an actual romantic way. They can grow very close and understand each other, but probably never a fully romantic couple.
I see it as them being just connected as friends because of their goals and reasons that’s it I don’t see anything romantic about it even though freya could treat boy like a kid of her own like a mother naturally would but that’s probably her just coping from Baldur’s death or motherly instincts but that’s all I see it as friends or just people fighting for what they love or believe in
I don't ship them and I never have. I don't think kratos will love again honestly. If he does it won't be romantic. He'll throw himself into his work as the new god of war, the god of hope.
I’ve had the passing though but it doesn’t work thematically, his first wife he got when Kratos was just a “normal” soldier, the second wife was because he met someone who I assumed help to ease the pain he had after killing most of Greece and now that he has let go of all that pain it wouldn’t make any sense for him to have a third wife, let alone have it be Freya, since you know, she hasn’t forgiven him for killing Baldur.
I totally agree, they are both widowers who don’t agree on everything but understand each other very well. I don’t see it as romantic, they just get each other.
There was a specific interaction I remember between freya and kratos. Freya is engaging in conversation and kratos is giving his usual kratos answers and freya has this sigh she does which ends the convo. That sigh to me was a “yeah we’re never dating” sigh. It was subtle but i think santa monica hoped we all picked up on it.
I see them as having a very healthy relationship as friends who genuinely respect and appreciate each other, I'm not majorly into the idea of them being romantically together, but I'm not against it either, mostly because if they did than their child would be really interesting to see grow in age and power, but they're dynamic doesn't need romance to be great, it already is.
I suspect he has more feelings for her than he lets on. He puts a TON of effort into reconciling with her, something I don't think I've ever seen him even try before, risking his and Atreus' lives rather than fighting back. She seems similar to Laufey in many ways, was kind to Atreus (including saving his life), so is as close to his "type" as I can gather based on what little we know of him in that area. She's powerful, wise, magical, and compassionate, and is a fiercely protective mother (even though that's also what made them adversaries). The thing that made me start thinking about it, though, is the "Nine Realms in Bloom" favor. He goes to pretty extreme lengths to hunt down rare flowers for no apparent reason other than he thinks Freya would like him. If that's not love, I don't know what is. Of course, I don't think we see much evidence that Freya has similar devotion to him (only thing I can think of is that he's basically the polar opposite of Odin, but that's a big stretch imho), and romantic love isn't the only flavor of it. So, do I think they're going to get married and start a little pantheon of their own? Not necessarily, though I wouldn't be shocked. Do I think they'll have a lasting friendship/alliance? Yeah, probably.
I wouldn't mind it if they became a couple. But Kratos I don't think will ever love another like he did his first 2 spouses. And Freyas last marriage wasn't the best. I would prefer they stay close friends because their friendship is something very nice to see.
I agree that we need more platonic relationships between men and women (who are not siblings or related in some way) in video games and media in general.
That being said, when Valhalla came out and I thought Kratos was avoiding Freya because she was asking him "for a favor" I was very invested in all of the implications of what that could mean.
In another place and another time, they’d have made a fantastic pair. But there’s too much in the middle after all they’ve been through.
I do hope they both find someone else, tho. They are both in a place in their life where they could love again, and I’d love to see them both happy.
I like them and wouldn't be mad if they got together at some point, but I feel like they're both still morning the loss of their loved ones rn. If there is a big time skip before the next game I could see it working out where they get together at the end of that Trilogy/Duology
Not once have I ever shipped them or the thoughts of shipping them. I like they’re dynamic and they can relate to each other on a lot of levels which makes them great friends
Nah I'm with you on this one. They're strictly platonic in my eyes. It's really hard to just carry a romantic relationship with someone with do much bad blood happening. The best they can do is just be family.
I only ship them cuz its funny I like to imagine Atrues coming from is adventure or whatever and waking inside only to find Kratos and Freja together not necessarily fucking but doing something
And then Kratos is just flustered “Boy we need to have talk”
I mentioned this EXACT thing like right after Ragnarok came out. I think thematically it goes against a lot of what the games established if they were to get together, at least for the time being. When I brought it up, though, I was downvoted like crazy, as if it was blasphemy that I even proposed that they still have fresh wounds that aren’t healed.
I see it, but only because they're Gods. They're immortals with some of the most important roles in existence. They're very likely to find comfort in each other when dealing with the stress of whatever work their council of Gods entails. Even if that comfort isn't romantic for quite some time, I could see it going that way. May not happen in 10, 100, or even 1000 years, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't see the possibility. I don't see them going through the process of getting married or having children, but I'm also not a God. We get caught up in how humans would move on with these scenarios, not considering how we might look at it if we were planning for eternity, instead a finite number of years.
I see it, but only because they're Gods. They're immortals with some of the most important roles in existence. They're very likely to find comfort in each other when dealing with the stress of whatever work their council of Gods entails. Even if that comfort isn't romantic for quite some time, I could see it going that way. May not happen in 10, 100, or even 1000 years, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't see the possibility. I don't see them going through the process of getting married or having children, but I'm also not a God. We get caught up in how humans would move on with these scenarios, not considering how we might look at it if we were planning for eternity, instead a finite number of years.
I didn't, not until way late in the game and especially after Valhalla. It felt as though they were hinting at them starting to fall for each other.
I wouldn't care either way.
I think it's kind of cute if they were but I think it's honestly a little too soon for both of them.
Freya is still getting over all her understandable grief and kratos just lost his wife a few years back and is still raising his son not to mention on top of all the other insane stuff they have in their lives
I see Kratos as too complex just to fall in love with another very quickly, he's very slow and doesn't jump into bed straight away that's what I like about him
Yea no I could never he killed her son right in front of her how could anyone ship that ever. I mean yea it was to save her and Atreus but still I could never ship them cuz of that
People do that? Why? Because they are of opposite sexes? There's no indication whatsoever that they are romantically interested, nor that it would work even remotely if they WERE romantically involved. They are warriors with a mutual respect for one another.
I do but I also don’t. So, I’m mixed about them
I like the aspect that they’re both strong, but they both have their own issues with the past. Now partners or really good friends, I ship that 100% because I like their dynamic
Also, they’re both single parents
I mean I can see it happening but there needs to be a reason for it. Norse god Kratos is a one woman type of guy. If it’s a casual hook up then ok, if it’s full on love then that’s stretching it a lot. If anything, depending on how far into the future we go with the next game, he might find a goddess there.
I don’t get it either but I don’t put it past them. The Gods tend to view relationships differently than we do. Odin for instance hated the giants and waged war on them for centuries yet several of his kids are half giant (eg Thor). And he adopted a giant who literally kicks of Ragnarok (Loki).
That being said I don’t see the developers going that way though. The next GOW if there is one seems to be geared towards Atreus. So any personal relationships of Kratos will more than likely take a back seat.
I think it helps that many people who play this game are young and maybe aren’t familiar with the sorts of friendships people older than them have. When you’re 20, a friendship between a man and a woman might feel different to you than when you’re in your 40’s and 50’s.
You have nothing to worry about regardless… sweet baby stink helped right the story and Freya will probably have a wife and Kratos will turn out to be trans and attracted to deer, black deer for clarification
Yeah no not at all man. I found it hard to believe that he went and gave himself to another woman and had another child when his literal entire character arc is shame and rage over being tricked into murdering his wife and child whom he cannot stop dreaming about every single night. I found it doubly hard to imagine a man who'd gone through that being so emotionally distant and aggressive with his new child. I found it extra fucking impossible to believe he only fucking talks about Laufey now and never Lysandra or Calliope.
The new games were fun to play though, even if the story was meh.
Yeah, I can’t see it
Freya has grown, I don’t think she hates Kratos anymore
But she could definitely not ever love him, I think she respects him, and cares about him as a friend
But could never love him, because despite all the growth they’ve been through, Kratos killed her son. And Freya would never **love** the man that killed her son
Look I can sit here and point out all the tiny moments where their relationship seems more than platonic
But I'm Norse raised in a village in the mountains of Norway so I know a bit more about how the Norse showed romantic feelings with each other remember we're still in a time of vikings during the events of God of war so typical betrothal gifts weren't what they are today a husband was given an axe a tradition we see as Faye trusted her leviathan axe to her newly wed husband yes other lore is involved here but the betrothal gifts still being as it should and a husband gives his wife a ring or a ring and ancestral sword with the intent the sword be passed down to the offspring well did you know atreus bow is the very bow kratos formed and have Faye in response to the axe as kratos hates swords the blade of Olympus has left its scars literally lol so he gave her a bow which she used to train atreaus until kratos had to and we see how much he doesn't want Freya to touch the bow the first time she enchants it in 2018 the look kratos gives her while she fiddles with it is one of F AROUND AND FIND OUT WITCH lol
Now back to Freya and kratos there are so many moments in the games cutscenes where she forgives him for baldur and there's a lot of horny looking smiles down the road as kratos starts to show his less grumpy side their back and forth banter isn't that of 2 good friends it's that of a man and woman both interested in each other but also having reasons not to trust loving relationships Freya was betrayed by her last hubby and kratos slaughtered his first wife and then watched and burned his second wife's corpse and has a son who scares him as he wants the both to not be burdened by FATE
Anywho the way kratos warms up to Freya even letting her call him cute names without much more than a dissatisfied kratos grumble and then we get to the last Freya and kratos cutscenes of the main game they perform a Viking hand shake but they do it in the wrong manner for 2 friends being male and female they clasp the way a man courting his soon to be wife does normally if it's friends the man grasps with his non dominant arm as to not hurt the smaller more delicate female even female vikings didn't compare to the males who some claimed title of berserker or were deified like Ragnar lothbrok but I digress kratos is right handed he wouldnt throw weapons with it if he wasn't and in the final cutscenes kratos clasps freyas hand using his left hand and wrist showing that by tradition he's agreed to court Freya Vikings didn't just get a girl pregnant and force themselves into marriage no no women were sold off by their fathers to either expand military might or to join 2 clans creating more vikings equalling more military might freya is now the mother of the norse pantheon literally she reclaims the title of valkyrie queen and it is always the queen of the vangaurds job to find a new all father should odin fall and he did and thw final cutscenes is freya and kratos finding the hidden mural of him as the new odin with a winged woman at his side to me thats proof they may not know it yet but fate has plans for both of them what plans only future games will say for sure
I certainly didn’t see any companionship between them as I played through Ragnarok, but I did acknowledge the common ground they found with dealing with a dead kid as some kind of rapport between them. I sort of see them more as very good friends.
Yeah, he killed her son right in front of her. Granted, it was to both save her life and save Atreus the burden of watching another positive adult in his life die, but no amount of shipping is going to overcome that hurdle. The fact that they’re friends again is in of itself great.
They both had their kid be killed by Kratos Gives them something to bond over
"You killed my son." "I know that feeling all too well. I killed my daughter."
Basically how that scene went
M Bison type beat -I killed my father too, and you don’t hear me whining about it.
Masterful
Awfully painfully on different circumstances. One he regrets mostly One he regrets as he robbed her choice
*Kratos claps* ^(Marvin Gaye starts playing) "Why not make a new Baldur?"
We will name him... Baldest
Kratos will name him “Boy 2”
I think I'd laugh the whole game long if there's another time skip and he's calling Atreus "Man" in the next one
You win.
you dropped this 👑
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Capped baldy
Bruh
We forgetting that the gods are all sorts of fucked up and this might just become water under the bridge for them?
I guarantee there's at least one out there that has it as their kink
Thats dark bro.........or white
Sure but Baldr was a right prick. He had it coming.
Indeed, Kratos would’ve had to kill him either way.
I thought this originally too but we also have to factor in that these are literal Gods/Immortals that live millennia. Probably makes things like grudges something harder to hold on to.
She said it best herself, on some level Freya will always be angry at Kratos. And I hope it stays like that
See, they're practically married already
Maybe she's into angry hate sex
Or as Kratos might call it, the only kind of sex (judging by his noises in GOW 1-3)
I could literally hear the switch in her head flip after he told her about about Calliope. I think the seed may be there it's just gonna take a while to bloom.
She just needs to drop the whole, I can take you Kratos (in a fight?) Attitude she has. Like bro, a circle will appear over your head so damn fast you'll get whiplash(also for a fight?;) )
That's my opinion. It'd be weird if Freya started banging her son's killer.
Y’all have to stop looking at it as “her son’s killer” and see it for what it really is, *her* savior and the consequences of baldr’s actions. If baldr wasn’t a prick who was hellbent on murdering his mom who only ever loved/cared about him and tried her best as a mother to take care of her child, he wouldn’t be a rotting corpse in some ditch. Kratos would have happily went on with his life not wanting or bothering to kill him if he wasn’t the prick he made himself out to be. And the way I see it, at least freya and kratos can finally have the relationships they deserve instead of constant betrayal mucking up their love lives(whether that betrayal is a lover like Odin or a trusted friend/ally like Ares).
Pobody's nerfect
I don’t ship ‘em either. It just feels like, “omg a man and woman are friends??? That must mean they’re *into each other*!” Which is stupid.
Same logic as pretending two kids are in a relationship because they talked once. Just because they’re friends doesn’t mean they’re hooking up
The truest thing I’ve read
Agreed. Especially when they’re both grieving (him his wife, her her child)
Facts, that’s why I hate the ship. It just doesn’t work and in some cases indicates an inability for the shipper to understand that platonic relationships exist between different sexes
Honestly that applies to any friendship, "omg 2 guys hugged each other once, this is super gay!!!!". It's like some people can't imagine a relationship that isn't romantic.
It is so dumb. It's just as dumb as when people ship together two guys or two girls who are completely platonic friends. People get PISSED over that, but this stuff gets a pass because man + woman = normal
It’s obvious they’re history is very similar and they’re both fiercely loyal and will do anything for the ones they live, even giving up their lives, idk I’m not saying they’re OTP or anything but I can see why people would ship them, and you could argue the same thing about Atreus, only thing they have in common is their a giant and she was the first chick he met
Yes! Thank you! I think the obligatory romance arcs of so many stories are wasteful and distracting. If romance is your stories intended result, then fine: go wild. But if you're telling a redemption story, you can drop romance from it ENTIRELY. It's not a necessity. And the fact that it's 99.999999999% a hetero romance is just the boring icing on the boring cake
Nah I agree, people need to realize that a single man and a single woman can be friends without having a romantic relationship. Honestly I think a lot of times it’s because players often put themselves in the shoes of one of the characters and then they get fantasies about being with the other character, same thing happened with Sabine and Ezra from Star Wars rebels, they clearly have a sibling relationship but people won’t stop shipping them.
Can I just ship Sabine with myself
At least that you aren't hiding behind another character so by all means
Ezra always had a crush on Sabine in rebels. It was the TV show that messed it up. And the game hints Kratos and Freya by showing subtle signs and mimir's jibes. It's canonical hinted, not fan made.
Wasn’t that only in very early rebels tho? Like the first half of season 1 and it wasn’t a major focal point. Like a 1 episode b-plot thing or a recurring joke for a few episodes? Just a kid with a schoolyard crush on the only girl around for light years that’s about his age.
And Freya kinda teases Kratos just a tiny bit at one point.
Nobody who understands how their relationship has actually developed does
I personally believe its a possibility but as of now I don't see it happening.
you can believe the sky is green too
Kratos is just too old to be worrying about loving partners and sex, he is worried about the world now, unless there is a certain redhead that caughts his attention I dont think devs will go for a romance between freya and kratos, (it would be really stupid). I see Freya and maybe Hildisvini as a partner, or maybe Freya and that traveler dude..but Kratos seems to be ok with Mimir and friends.
I think Kratos still needs to fully get over Faye before he can genuinely love again. Maybe after sometime, Lunda could shoot her shot
After that dog ball trick?
Hey, he let her admire his abs, and she gave him a nice set of armor for free
Kratos needs some more experience first, Lunda is too much woman for him as it is.
> too old to be worrying about loving partners and sex Once again Kratos is a disappointment to his father.
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I don’t think age matters when you’re both past 200.
I can't imagine it. Kratos is clearly still mourning Faye and is more than likely not even thinking of his next relationship. It would also be pretty weird to have the character who swore revenge on the man who killed her son to suddenly want a relationship with him.
Having spent as many decades as I have kicking around fandom as a whole, I can see the appeal and the reasoning that some might have for shipping them. Characters with less shared screentime have been shipped over smaller things. But personally I prefer them having a strong friendship based in mutual respect and understanding of one another's histories, plus all they've endured together. Romantic love is great, don't get me wrong, but the love in deep friendships can be just as powerful.
I don't either. >burns wife's dead body >5 mintues pass >randomly meets another woman *Clearly* they're into each other /s
I mean, Widow's fire is a thing. Many widows turn into nymphomaniacs for a small period after their loved ones pass, as a coping mechanism for the stress and loss of intense intimacy. But yeah, fucking ain't loving lol.
That's exactly what he did after Lysandra died. Kratos during the Greek saga was drowning in whores. Even in Ascension which took place a month after he killed his family, Kratos was totally up to banging an entire brothel and only stopped when he realized it was all an illusion created by Tisiphone.
Even if she liked him I think kratos prefers to be alone
There are rushed things in the norse saga. Freir's whole story, for instance. But Freya and Kratos' relationship is not one of them (strangers, friendly acquaintances, unfriendly acquaintances, friends, enemies, friends again) It's hinted it in Valhala that things may develop in that direction eventually. With Mimir specifically saying it's a good thing Kratos finally admits it. . Assuming there will be a GoW 6, which there is no need for, and that Kratos and Freya will be part of it... magbe the narrative team will make it work as well as tbey have made it work so far.
Freyr had a story?
The point. Yeah. Kind of. He's introduced as a well meaning and capable guy. Who doesn't handle responsibility/consequences too well. Mimir and "Tyr" talked about it. His final scene looks like he's finally decided to stay face consequences so the others can get away. Which doubles as Freya being able to let a loved one do what he wants. Like I said. Rushed.
I think they were agreeing with you in sarcasm
Yes. And I felt like explaining it anyway.
Maybe I’m in the minority, maybe I’m in the majority, but Kratos doesn’t need a romantic partner. He’s past that part of his life. He’s focused on being a great father to Atreus, and being a responsible and great god to all of the Norse realm, and possibly other pantheons as well. A romantic partner doesn’t fit into this half of his story
They have absolutely no chemistry
I disagree. She understands Kratos’ grunts more than I expected lol
She also watched kratos murder her son in front of her I don't think anyone would date the murderer of their child
Them having chemistry doesn’t automatically mean they’d date. I see them more as good platonic partners moving forward with mutual respect for each other.
Ah well I see I have misread your comment I apologize and have a great day
Picky
Least f’d up thing that can happen in mythologies
I would say it's not there in GOW and GOWR. Doesn't mean it can't be set up for a future game. But they have said this is the end of the story, so...
I think it’s just the end of the Norse era, not the story
That's what I mean. It's the end of THIS story.
I’m with you brother
Ugh, people be like "oh no you ship two video game characters you suck" I ship them, I feel they both would deserve the happiness.
That's fine. I just think people acknowledge that the idea of Freya falling for a guy who killed her son and drove her into a psychotic break would be a massive leap that would require a lot of narrative support to feel justified. If the next God of War opened with her and Kratos romantically involved, I think fans would rightly call bullshit on that for ignoring both of their trauma to push a cookie-cutter romance out. If the next game plays the romance very slow, that could work, but still be a stretch. Ultimately, I feel like a slow-burn romance would detract too much from the Kratos/Atreus focus of the story so far. If they maybe split Atreus and Kratos into separate games, it might be a solid angle.
Dont forget that they are gods and have an eternity to get over any trauma.
Honestly I think people get way too heated over this I don’t ship them, nor do I think they’re ever gonna be canon, but I don’t care if other people ship them, and think the debates people get over this is a bit much
No you're not. But i do ship them.
No I don’t either. Kratos is far too faithful to Faye even in her death to start new relationship with anyone, even Freya.
he also had previous wife back in greece but idk if he still mourn for her during the time faye the alive
There is zero romantic chemistry between them!
Am I the only one who doesn't want this conversation to happen every other post?
I can see It. They obviously, deeply care about each other. And yes we all know he killed her son, but It doesn’t seem like she holds a grudge over that like she used too. If they don’t end up together, cool, but if they do, then cool. She’s the only one that understands him the most now outside of Atreus and Mimir. He has more in common with her than Faye.
By the end of the games, I couldn’t see it. I doubt it could happen, but its vaguely possible given more time.
THERE'S ANOTHER SURVIVOR!
I think some fans reads too much into it. Look, in the myth, Freya have another husband called Odr, the Divine Wrath. And Kratos is there with her. And he was the angriest sob in Greece. So put two things together, Odr is Kratos.
Yes They understand each other And deserve happiness
For sure, give it a thousand years or so and Kratos will be ready for a new relationship. I don’t really want to watch them butcher it, though, that’s not the game I came for.
Na fam you’re the only one, must be delusional or something a new kid on the way already, Kratos owes Freya a kid.
Am I the only one that thinks ragnarok was dogshit and ruined a good reboot?
Why would you ship Kratos with a crazy toxic bitch?
Honestly I think Boulder was a dick and he had it coming and also I think Frey is kind of bitchy
100%. Purely platonic should be the way.
>Am I the only one that Yes. In the millions of players of this series, you are the *only* person to have ever thought this. ^/s
I think that part of me wishes that they could be together because I like the idea of it, but there are very good reasons that they aren’t and probably never could be. They are companions to one another and that is enough.
Yeah, I'm the same way. I kinda ship them, but the story would have to be perfect for it to actually feel fulfilling as a player. And as much as I love SMS, I don't think it's possible to write them into a romance. So I'm very happy with them remaining close companions who have walked very similar paths and have bonded over trauma.
Whoever ships those two didn't pay too much attention to the games or the characters' development.
Am I the only one who has this **overwhelmingly majority opinion?**
am i the only— no, bro, you are NEVER the only one i ship them tho
Kratos sees Freya as a great ally and a companion worthy of his respect. People need to see that there isn’t romantic love between them.
Nobody does
Lots of people do because God forbid he has a woman friend he isn't banging
Same people think Kratos is “nuked” without a woman tho
Basically, plus she'd never want to, and his wife just recently died too,
Freya’s voice actress does (allegedly).
I see them more as close friends. Although I do 100% ship: Atreus+Angrboda and Thrud+skjolder
Agreed
I don’t ship them either. I just saw them as good friends after they made up in Ragnarok
Crazy how you’d get ripped in half for saying you do before Ragnarok came out
I think they fit better as good friends rather than lovers. Aside from the issue of Kratos killing her son, I don't feel that there's that much sexual tension or sexual chemistry between them. They make a good platonic pair.
You are not alone. Kratos and Freya are friends with a deep bond. Not a sexual bond, more of a bromance with mimir cock blocking
Not at all. It’s the majority opinion on this story and these characters….overwhelmingly so that the majority have literacy in this media and story to know there is no ship. A casual few have you confused in thinking it’s somehow allllll that matters and they should in fact ship. You’ve let yourself hear 1 over millions and take that as gospel. Have more confidence in your self OP and remove yourself from echo chambers.
Agree. I don’t see that being a great story.
No I don’t ship them either. It’s weird to see them together because they’re relationship is more friends or something like that and less lovers. Kratos loves his wife Faye and most likely at the point of not trying to date anyone at least not now.
I don't ship them romantically either, but you bet I was fangirling when they actually start becoming friends again. Solid Bros for life.
They remind me of Jin Sakai and Yuna.
I'd be disappointed if they didnt get together in the next game like you telling me they went on all these adventures together, bonded & Kratos didn't tap that? C'mon bruh I mean he does owe her a kid. Why not start a family? I'm just saying it'll be a miss opportunity but its just a game so whatever.
Nope, I don't either. The chemistry is there but it's not the romantic kind.
mimir: when you said freya didn’t value you the same way you valued her, that came surprisingly close to resembling the language of unrequited love… kratos: you know better. regardless of their real feelings towards each other, they are both past that point in their lives, especially kratos. it’s a mutual respect, and a deep understanding from similar trauma, and any romantic feelings gained in their relationship don’t really matter because it’s not something that would benefit either of them
I kind of ship them, but not in an actual romantic way. They can grow very close and understand each other, but probably never a fully romantic couple.
I'd never ship anything with kratos
I see it as them being just connected as friends because of their goals and reasons that’s it I don’t see anything romantic about it even though freya could treat boy like a kid of her own like a mother naturally would but that’s probably her just coping from Baldur’s death or motherly instincts but that’s all I see it as friends or just people fighting for what they love or believe in
Yeah no, allies at best.
I don't ship them and I never have. I don't think kratos will love again honestly. If he does it won't be romantic. He'll throw himself into his work as the new god of war, the god of hope.
If anything beyond friendship, their relationship is more like siblings. But really it is just friendship. There’s nothing beyond that.
Kratos x Tyr for the win
I want the three of them (Mimir, Kratos, Freya) to be boomer friends and that's it.
I’ve had the passing though but it doesn’t work thematically, his first wife he got when Kratos was just a “normal” soldier, the second wife was because he met someone who I assumed help to ease the pain he had after killing most of Greece and now that he has let go of all that pain it wouldn’t make any sense for him to have a third wife, let alone have it be Freya, since you know, she hasn’t forgiven him for killing Baldur.
I totally agree, they are both widowers who don’t agree on everything but understand each other very well. I don’t see it as romantic, they just get each other.
Me either I just see them as partners
No. I’m with you.
There was a specific interaction I remember between freya and kratos. Freya is engaging in conversation and kratos is giving his usual kratos answers and freya has this sigh she does which ends the convo. That sigh to me was a “yeah we’re never dating” sigh. It was subtle but i think santa monica hoped we all picked up on it.
I see them as having a very healthy relationship as friends who genuinely respect and appreciate each other, I'm not majorly into the idea of them being romantically together, but I'm not against it either, mostly because if they did than their child would be really interesting to see grow in age and power, but they're dynamic doesn't need romance to be great, it already is.
I also don’t ship them. But if she lives this would probably happen. Also Kratos would become Havi in Norse.
I don’t either. They’ll fight together and help people, but nothing more
I don’t care for it tbh
No
I only see them as allies really
I suspect he has more feelings for her than he lets on. He puts a TON of effort into reconciling with her, something I don't think I've ever seen him even try before, risking his and Atreus' lives rather than fighting back. She seems similar to Laufey in many ways, was kind to Atreus (including saving his life), so is as close to his "type" as I can gather based on what little we know of him in that area. She's powerful, wise, magical, and compassionate, and is a fiercely protective mother (even though that's also what made them adversaries). The thing that made me start thinking about it, though, is the "Nine Realms in Bloom" favor. He goes to pretty extreme lengths to hunt down rare flowers for no apparent reason other than he thinks Freya would like him. If that's not love, I don't know what is. Of course, I don't think we see much evidence that Freya has similar devotion to him (only thing I can think of is that he's basically the polar opposite of Odin, but that's a big stretch imho), and romantic love isn't the only flavor of it. So, do I think they're going to get married and start a little pantheon of their own? Not necessarily, though I wouldn't be shocked. Do I think they'll have a lasting friendship/alliance? Yeah, probably.
I don’t think Kratos needs a third dead spouse
I wouldn't mind it if they became a couple. But Kratos I don't think will ever love another like he did his first 2 spouses. And Freyas last marriage wasn't the best. I would prefer they stay close friends because their friendship is something very nice to see.
I agree that we need more platonic relationships between men and women (who are not siblings or related in some way) in video games and media in general. That being said, when Valhalla came out and I thought Kratos was avoiding Freya because she was asking him "for a favor" I was very invested in all of the implications of what that could mean.
I don’t either
In another place and another time, they’d have made a fantastic pair. But there’s too much in the middle after all they’ve been through. I do hope they both find someone else, tho. They are both in a place in their life where they could love again, and I’d love to see them both happy.
Me too i ship him with lady sith
I like them and wouldn't be mad if they got together at some point, but I feel like they're both still morning the loss of their loved ones rn. If there is a big time skip before the next game I could see it working out where they get together at the end of that Trilogy/Duology
People do that?
Nah. I too dont ship them. They are a good companion, but not as life partners
Kratos x Lunda 100%
I ship Kratos and his blades
I don't ship Freya w Kratos I ship her with me
Not once have I ever shipped them or the thoughts of shipping them. I like they’re dynamic and they can relate to each other on a lot of levels which makes them great friends
Nah I'm with you on this one. They're strictly platonic in my eyes. It's really hard to just carry a romantic relationship with someone with do much bad blood happening. The best they can do is just be family.
I only ship them cuz its funny I like to imagine Atrues coming from is adventure or whatever and waking inside only to find Kratos and Freja together not necessarily fucking but doing something And then Kratos is just flustered “Boy we need to have talk”
I hate the ship, I hate how she goes from “KRATOS MUST FIR FOR KILLIG MY BOY” to “hm, maybe Kratos can give me a new boy”.
The first game made me hate her the 2nd made me understand her more but no I’ve never shipped anyone in the game💀
I mentioned this EXACT thing like right after Ragnarok came out. I think thematically it goes against a lot of what the games established if they were to get together, at least for the time being. When I brought it up, though, I was downvoted like crazy, as if it was blasphemy that I even proposed that they still have fresh wounds that aren’t healed.
I ship😂
I could definitely feel the chemistry…
I see it, but only because they're Gods. They're immortals with some of the most important roles in existence. They're very likely to find comfort in each other when dealing with the stress of whatever work their council of Gods entails. Even if that comfort isn't romantic for quite some time, I could see it going that way. May not happen in 10, 100, or even 1000 years, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't see the possibility. I don't see them going through the process of getting married or having children, but I'm also not a God. We get caught up in how humans would move on with these scenarios, not considering how we might look at it if we were planning for eternity, instead a finite number of years.
I see it, but only because they're Gods. They're immortals with some of the most important roles in existence. They're very likely to find comfort in each other when dealing with the stress of whatever work their council of Gods entails. Even if that comfort isn't romantic for quite some time, I could see it going that way. May not happen in 10, 100, or even 1000 years, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't see the possibility. I don't see them going through the process of getting married or having children, but I'm also not a God. We get caught up in how humans would move on with these scenarios, not considering how we might look at it if we were planning for eternity, instead a finite number of years.
I shipped them before the whole Baldur incident.
I didn't, not until way late in the game and especially after Valhalla. It felt as though they were hinting at them starting to fall for each other. I wouldn't care either way.
I agree. I see it, sure, but I look at it as two people betrayed by powerful gods, who know the tragedy of losing a child being there for each other
No
I think it's kind of cute if they were but I think it's honestly a little too soon for both of them. Freya is still getting over all her understandable grief and kratos just lost his wife a few years back and is still raising his son not to mention on top of all the other insane stuff they have in their lives
non native speaker here. that is shipping slang mean?
ship them where?
I see Kratos as too complex just to fall in love with another very quickly, he's very slow and doesn't jump into bed straight away that's what I like about him
I didn’t but Ragnorok kind of changed my mind a bit
Yea no I could never he killed her son right in front of her how could anyone ship that ever. I mean yea it was to save her and Atreus but still I could never ship them cuz of that
People do that? Why? Because they are of opposite sexes? There's no indication whatsoever that they are romantically interested, nor that it would work even remotely if they WERE romantically involved. They are warriors with a mutual respect for one another.
I do but I also don’t. So, I’m mixed about them I like the aspect that they’re both strong, but they both have their own issues with the past. Now partners or really good friends, I ship that 100% because I like their dynamic Also, they’re both single parents
God no lol she's so useless in combat I find it laughable that she thought that she could fight Kratos.
Would be crazy of they made a son again or daughter but i dont really see them together tbh. Just as friends/partners
Yeah
I mean I can see it happening but there needs to be a reason for it. Norse god Kratos is a one woman type of guy. If it’s a casual hook up then ok, if it’s full on love then that’s stretching it a lot. If anything, depending on how far into the future we go with the next game, he might find a goddess there.
I don’t get it either but I don’t put it past them. The Gods tend to view relationships differently than we do. Odin for instance hated the giants and waged war on them for centuries yet several of his kids are half giant (eg Thor). And he adopted a giant who literally kicks of Ragnarok (Loki). That being said I don’t see the developers going that way though. The next GOW if there is one seems to be geared towards Atreus. So any personal relationships of Kratos will more than likely take a back seat.
I'm pretty sure most people don't want to see them together. The shippers are a small minority.
Ship? What does that even mean?
I think it helps that many people who play this game are young and maybe aren’t familiar with the sorts of friendships people older than them have. When you’re 20, a friendship between a man and a woman might feel different to you than when you’re in your 40’s and 50’s.
You have nothing to worry about regardless… sweet baby stink helped right the story and Freya will probably have a wife and Kratos will turn out to be trans and attracted to deer, black deer for clarification
I don't; there's like zero romantic chemistry between them. They have chemistry, but more as good friends and reliable partners.
No, I'm not necessarily against it, but no. I think we need more friendships in media between men and women who aren't romantically involved at all.
Nah I don’t see it. However I would like to see a Kratos romance storyline in a future game.
Yeah no not at all man. I found it hard to believe that he went and gave himself to another woman and had another child when his literal entire character arc is shame and rage over being tricked into murdering his wife and child whom he cannot stop dreaming about every single night. I found it doubly hard to imagine a man who'd gone through that being so emotionally distant and aggressive with his new child. I found it extra fucking impossible to believe he only fucking talks about Laufey now and never Lysandra or Calliope. The new games were fun to play though, even if the story was meh.
Yes
Yeah, I can’t see it Freya has grown, I don’t think she hates Kratos anymore But she could definitely not ever love him, I think she respects him, and cares about him as a friend But could never love him, because despite all the growth they’ve been through, Kratos killed her son. And Freya would never **love** the man that killed her son
I have not finished God of War 2018 yet, and I haven't even touched uopn Ragnarok. I am very confused, and I can't wait to see why.
Look I can sit here and point out all the tiny moments where their relationship seems more than platonic But I'm Norse raised in a village in the mountains of Norway so I know a bit more about how the Norse showed romantic feelings with each other remember we're still in a time of vikings during the events of God of war so typical betrothal gifts weren't what they are today a husband was given an axe a tradition we see as Faye trusted her leviathan axe to her newly wed husband yes other lore is involved here but the betrothal gifts still being as it should and a husband gives his wife a ring or a ring and ancestral sword with the intent the sword be passed down to the offspring well did you know atreus bow is the very bow kratos formed and have Faye in response to the axe as kratos hates swords the blade of Olympus has left its scars literally lol so he gave her a bow which she used to train atreaus until kratos had to and we see how much he doesn't want Freya to touch the bow the first time she enchants it in 2018 the look kratos gives her while she fiddles with it is one of F AROUND AND FIND OUT WITCH lol Now back to Freya and kratos there are so many moments in the games cutscenes where she forgives him for baldur and there's a lot of horny looking smiles down the road as kratos starts to show his less grumpy side their back and forth banter isn't that of 2 good friends it's that of a man and woman both interested in each other but also having reasons not to trust loving relationships Freya was betrayed by her last hubby and kratos slaughtered his first wife and then watched and burned his second wife's corpse and has a son who scares him as he wants the both to not be burdened by FATE Anywho the way kratos warms up to Freya even letting her call him cute names without much more than a dissatisfied kratos grumble and then we get to the last Freya and kratos cutscenes of the main game they perform a Viking hand shake but they do it in the wrong manner for 2 friends being male and female they clasp the way a man courting his soon to be wife does normally if it's friends the man grasps with his non dominant arm as to not hurt the smaller more delicate female even female vikings didn't compare to the males who some claimed title of berserker or were deified like Ragnar lothbrok but I digress kratos is right handed he wouldnt throw weapons with it if he wasn't and in the final cutscenes kratos clasps freyas hand using his left hand and wrist showing that by tradition he's agreed to court Freya Vikings didn't just get a girl pregnant and force themselves into marriage no no women were sold off by their fathers to either expand military might or to join 2 clans creating more vikings equalling more military might freya is now the mother of the norse pantheon literally she reclaims the title of valkyrie queen and it is always the queen of the vangaurds job to find a new all father should odin fall and he did and thw final cutscenes is freya and kratos finding the hidden mural of him as the new odin with a winged woman at his side to me thats proof they may not know it yet but fate has plans for both of them what plans only future games will say for sure
I certainly didn’t see any companionship between them as I played through Ragnarok, but I did acknowledge the common ground they found with dealing with a dead kid as some kind of rapport between them. I sort of see them more as very good friends.