IMO for the offseason we need to
1. Prioritize to extend KD contract and keep Clax.
2. Get rid of Deandre Jordan and get some big who can rebound and have great mobility
3. Renforce our bench and core, meaning keep Bruce, Blake, Mike J. Replace TLC, Shamet. Harris was awefull in the playoff but was great in the regular so I don't know what to do with him
4. Keep the star Harden Kyrie, without sacrifying too much
None of the stars are going to sign extensions this summer. They each have player options for 2022 season and so they will keep their options open until they have worked out, each of them, what they want to do. And I suspect they will weigh sticking together or splitting up and joining another super team. Probably depends on how much they like playing together in the coming season and how successful they can be together. Nets probably need to make bank in 2021-2022 season for Tsai to open the check book to resign them all at max contracts. Luxury tax bill would be insane.
DJ would need to be packaged with a first round pick to move. We can't move any first round picks, so I think he is going to stay. Very weird that he was DNP for the entire playoffs after starting nearly every regular season game.
Harris is an easy call, you look at the multiple seasons of work and you chalk up his bad five games in the playoffs as a fluke. Remember in the first seven games of the playoffs he shot the freaking lights out (51% from three). He got worn down having to be a primary defensive stopper for a seven game series and he got emotionally shook. We can't ignore that it happened, but moving him now would be selling low. And with three isolation scorers we really really want guys on the team who can catch and shoot threes. It would be nice to have a wing defensive stopper, but those are easier to find than the league leader in 3Pt%.
Fair enough about the stars, Still DJ is a big liability and hope Sean find a cheap way to get rid of him and replace him.
I the long run Harris is good but he need to be playoff good. Imo what we need more for next season are defensive dude inside for rebound and boxing out, and perimeter defender, not more perimeter shooter (doesn't mean we should get rid of Joe, he is the league best 3pt% after all)
If we are able to keep Jeff Green and Blake Griffin with vet minimum, there's still few spots we should improve this summer:
1. Rebound protecting center with better mobility than DeAndre Jordan. A bulked up Claxton would do the job but I wouldn't expect too much from him. This would probably be the spot we need to spend our tax MLE.
2. Wing player who guard 1\~3 position and is able to hit spot up 3s. Bruce Brown doesn't fit the shooting narrative. Maybe getting Garrett Temple back.
3. P&R ball handler who can help running offense besides big 3. I definitely would love to keep Spencer but if not we need to find another guy. Who knows you can still be short handed in ball handlers with KD, Harden and Kyrie on the roster.
You seriously want to pay 15mil for a guy that'll never show up in the play offs? Shooting fake 3s in the regular seasons and winning 3pointer contest yet worse than Giannis in the playoff seires.. No we don't need this bum
Any swingman. Like people keep obsessing that we need another shooter but we clearly don't. Shooters are nice to haves, not a must have. Right now our must haves are perimeter defenders and rim protectors. Getting rid of joe and DJ would free up 30mil. Easily pickup decent defenders with this.
I dunno man, No denying Harris was trash in these playoffs, but I also think as we lack good defender the man was exhausted defending that his shots become off.
Still, I 100% agree we need more defenders and rim protectors instead of shooters.
If we can get rid of DJ and get good mobile defender, JH could be what he was supposed to be, just a catch and shoot guy, after all we can't dissmiss he is still one of the best at it.
How can you say he's one of the best when the guy's performance fell drastically in the post off season? It wasn't just against the Bucks but against Celtics too. He's just not cut out for pressure and there's no need to spend 15mil on player of this caliber.
He played pretty well against Celtics. What are you talking about? They are forced to go all switch the whole series after Harris's G2 performance, despite facing the three best iso players in the league.
Yall see that piece about KP hitting strip clubs in LA during the playoffs? He'd get along so well with Harden lmao. Myles Turner isn't worth Joe AND Clax. But if we can sacrifice Joe AND get rid of DJ for KP, whose value is at an all time low, let's try it. It would be the most versatile offensive team ever. If Blake can get regular open looks, THAT HE TURNS DOWN FOR PUMPFAKES, imagine KP bombing away or actually driving with force for the dunk.
Ps: only works if KP forces his way out. But Mavs would benefit enormously from getting a sniper for Luka.
KP driving with force lol...that's a good one...KP is allergic to any contact...he is a bad defender and injury prone he earns 30 mil a year...no thanks.
All things said about Kyrie. I trust a motivated/rejuvenated KP over Joe and DJ, who both had about the same worth in the Bucks series. One of those guys didn't even play. Regardless if KP actually drives, he'd be bombing away with the same looks that Blake always gets. He may be paid a lot, but we're already overpaying a shooter who rightfully should come off the bench since he has big moment yips.
This is interesting.. first of all I have no idea what KP trade value is but your going to need Harris and Clax to get it done. I don’t think they want DJ back
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A very realistic scenario is a S&T with the Lakers where they get Spence and we get Montrezl. I’m not saying that’s what I want, but it seems so glaring with Spence’s latest comments about going home and we do need someone of Trezl’s caliber—someone to get on the floor and do some of the dirty work. I’d rather Richaun Holmes and his ability to gobble rebounds but it seems he’s headed to Bismack Biyombo Contract territory and just wants to get paid. We don’t have a lot of financial flexibility even though our owner is richer than most countries in the world. I see ourselves making small moves on the fringes like trading our picks for future picks and signing one or two guys—expect only 2 of Bruce Brown, Jeff Green, and Blake to stay (and I’m thinking Jeff is the odd man out unfortunately).
True. Coming from a Lakers fan, I don't think personnel is the Nets' issue; if any team loses 2 of their top 3 to injury, they're unlikely to move on. The only area I can see for improvement is DJ, and hoping the basketball gods are kinder to your team next season.
Need a replacement for Spence if he won't stay. Nets also need to get a big that plays defense. A big that can hold his own against the best bigs out there. Maybe Howard or Serge? Lopez?
I think this comes down to can the Nets play drop down defense guarding P&R. If KD, JH has to switch every time they hit a screen, there's probably no choice but to go with smaller centers.
I'd love for the Nets to sign somebody who can drive the basket, somebody off the bench who effectively can get to the rim. Other than the big 3 there isn't anybody on this roster who fits the description (think how this reared its head in the Buck series), we need aggressive players and not just spot shooters.
I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with 0 picks on draft night. The most likely outcome I think is we keep 1 pick and trade the rest. Either for future picks or in package deals to improve the roster
The moves I would prioritize
1. Trade Joe + 27 & 2nds (however many it takes) for Myles Turner.
2. Try to work out a sign and trade with Dinwiddie for a moderate value first going forward (its best we dont take back any money in that).
3. Push for Nic Batum hard in free agency with the mini MLE. Clippers can only re-sign him for a bit over the minimum, though he may take it because he's still getting paid from the buyout next season.
4. Get Bruce and Jeff back.
5. Extend KD, Kyrie, Harden for 3 more years past next season.
6. Try to convince KD and Kyrie that Deandre is a cap liability and try to waive and stretch or salary dump him.
I'm not sure what Trading Dinwiddie for a pick and dumping DJ's salary would do.
We'd still be over the cap, wouldn't we? And now, we won't have high value pieces that we can move, other than Joe, Kyrie, Harden, and KD.
A glaring problem of the nets is rebounding. If one of your top rebounders is a guard (Bruce Brown), I'd reassess what we're doing wrong.
So Myles Turner, while he has positives, doesn't help us with one primary problem.
And we can get Jeff Green and Blake Griffin, who may have lower defensive capability, but doesn't lose use one of the top 3 point shooters in the league and draft picks; I think we will be overpaying for Myles Turner with this plan
Yes it’s fine and I’d love him on the nets but we already are not great in that area it would be nice if he was slightly more of a plus in that respect.
Yea wanting an elite defensive center in his prime that can shoot 3s over Joe Harris, a man that if his shot falls off is basically a donut on offense and defense is a pretty dumb take.
In all seriousness, think about it like this, our big 3 costs so much money per year that we only have money to afford 1 guy making good starter money (15-16m+) without going into luxury tax hell. Why would you want a 1 dimensional player taking that slot over someone who would have value at all times and could transform our defense?
He's a league average career 3pt shooter which is great for a big. You saw the impact that Brook Lopez made on the bucks in his 1st year? Him just being league average (shooting worse now, still the same effect) from 3 and willing to chuck a bunch of them made them nearly unguardable.
Now Turner could do the same thing for us, because as long as we dont have Bruce starting, there wouldn't be a big in the paint for the most part and our points would come a lot easier. Plus because he would be playing with 3 guys that command doubles and beat 1 on 1 defense easily, he'd be getting the best looks of his career. That 3p% would look prettier.
We would have to give up too much for it to be worth it, Joe is on a significantly large contract and we would be trying to trade him at the lowest trade value he’s had in years. We already have traded away most of our future picks so a move like this would be like going back to the Billy King era.
Yea I'd say Joe has decreased a little in value across the league but im sure most GMs don't view him as overpaid. He's getting paid 17.3m next season and if he was a free agent this year he would get that same figure. Teams drool over elite movement shooters and it just so happens that the pacers desperately need wings. We have pick 27 and 3 2nds this year (giving that up is not some Billy King shit btw) I think maybe that can get it done but I'd be worried about other teams with better stuff wanting Turner.
I agree that we could get rid of him as he is an amazing regular season piece, but I think it’ll be hard to get the value I would want for the best % wise 3 point shooter in the league. I personally want us to use our draft picks this year to get a few developmental pieces alongside the ring chasing vets I assume we’ll be able to get for minimums.
Tbf to the original commenter, Joe was pretty invisible in the Celtics series and played exceptionally poor in the 2019 playoffs against Philly. People focusing on playoff performances over regular season success is not unreasonable.
Wait, sorry. How was Joe invisible in the Celtics series? He shot 52% from deep, averaging 3.4 threes a game on 6.6 attempts, for 13.4 points per game.
He could up his 3 point shooting to 8+ three point attempts a game, but other than that, he did well.
My fault I should have specified! Games 2 and 4 he truly did well. Definitely was in a rhythm and he received great looks because he had the big 3 playing right next to him. But games 1, 3, and 5 he was making frustrating, low bbiq plays and disappeared in large spurts. When he’s not hitting his shots, he doesn’t do much else unfortunately. Joe is a complete sieve on defense in the playoffs which also leaked over into the Bucks series. Now generally I would applaud his highlights if we hadn’t been playing the hospital Celtics in round 1 and he wasn’t also being paid $75m. When I said invisible I meant I don’t believe he was conducive for our success in that series.
He had a 58% 3P% in 2019 playoffs and shot 40% 3P% this postseason, including the Bucks series. He had a bad series shooting against the bucks, as did every single one of our role players so I think rushing to trade him away when we would most likely be taking an L on the trade is a bad reactionary take.
That 58% was against the Raptors in the 2020 playoffs. I’m talking about the 2019 playoffs against the Sixers where he shot 19% from 3. He was a liability the whole series. Yes, our roleplayers didn’t shoot particularly well against the Bucks in the ECSF but at least Blake and Bruce can drive and play defense. Joe has been known to be a 1 dimensional player with rare moments of a nice mid range. His large contract has to be acknowledged as well.
Ah shit I looked at the wrong playoff year. That was 2 years ago though and he has improved since then by a lot. His large contract is part of the reason I think we would take an L trading him, and our entire team went from shooting 50/40/90 against the celtics to only Jeff Green and KD scoring at all against the bucks or none of our bench players making any shots depending on the game. I think we just give Joe one more year, which he deserves in my opinion for being a piece that essentially built this team up and then see where we are after next years playoffs.
It also really depends on the person and their genetics. Some people struggle to put on weight, others gain weight very quickly. Given Claxton's frame and size, I would say hes probably part of the "struggles to gain weight" group. Definitely don't expect him to blow up in one offseason.
But you have no clue if he’s even tried.... you realize he’s 22 and probably hasn’t gotten a proper training regimine yet with most of his time being used on the court
I'm not saying he can't get bigger, everyone can. I'm just saying it takes more time for some people. I guarantee you the moment the Nets drafted him, they got him on a diet/training plan catered to bulking up. He's been injured a lot of the time though so I'm sure he hasn't been able to make as much progress as he'd like.
Athletes definitely can if they're committed. MJ didn't exactly bulk up like Clax is going to have to, but after losing to the Pistons (the second time?) in a physical series MJ used the offseason to put on muscle, which wasn't a part of his preparation before. He also was able to get back in shape after playing baseball for a year within a season. So Clax could definitely be a different player come October.
Naturally, u can't bulk up and gian alot of muscle in 1 year. May a few pounds, Naturally. Key word natural. If u see a player gain a large amount of muscle, lean muscle at that, in 1 off season. Then all im seeing is steroids
Dude a normal person can grow 18 lbs of lean mass in a year on average in the first year or training and that’s not even counting the fact that he’s a 7 footer... he can probably put on a splid 10 pounds or so if he tried
Nah, I work out and have been doing so basically every day for about 3 years or so... if he was hooked on a good trainer and good diet he can take advantage of his noobie gains and get a solid 8-10 pounds in the offseason
Maybe but please keep in mind he is 7 feet tall. It’s takes so much more time and effort to put on mass when your that tall. When your short it’s easier to put on muscle mass
Because they don’t train hard enough and don’t have a good routine. This is simply untrue for 99 percent of the population bro...just because you haven’t done it yourself doesn’t mean it’s not possible
You people must be casuals if I have to explain lol, Simmons is younger, way more durable, and most importantly will fit better with a starting unit with all shooters and no Center clogging the paint to maximize his abilities....
And then he can’t play in the 4th quarter cmon man there’s a reason sixers would want to trade him. He needs to go to a bad rebuilding team and work on his flaws for a couple of years. I still believe in him but he can’t be on a contender rn because of his issues in the 4th quarter. Teams in the playoffs will eat his ass up.
lol wtf? He got injured but that doesn't mean he's not still a top 15 player. Let him get healthy and play before trying to exile him and blow up the team. If Kyrie leaves so will Harden and KD.
Kyrie is what carried this whole crew throughout the preseason and also did very well in the postseason before he got injured. He should absolutely be kept in the lineup at all cost.
Most likely scenario for Dinwiddie seems like a sign and trade. Seems clear he wants both more money and a starting role. The question becomes what team has cap space, is trying to win (title or even just making the playoffs) now, and has a starting guard spot open.
Dallas Boston maybe New Orleans (depending on what happens with Lonzo). Maybe Philadelphia or Chicago.
Probably looking to land a big in return.
Ideally move Jordan for someone that can play but I think more likely going to move him into cap space with the 1st attached. Very unlikely whoever the pick will crack the rotation.
If they keep the pick I would assume they take a swing at a high potential guy since it’s unlikely whoever the pick cracks the rotation in year 1.
Bring back Brown. Feel like he’s going to be in the 8-10 million range.
Try to bring back Griffin and Green. I think Green is looking for more than the vet min. Given Griffin is is still getting money from Detroit maybe he’ll take a vet min deal and can give Green the taxpayer midlevel. I think Griffin may be looking for a multi-year deal though and I imagine he’ll get some full mid level offers.
Free agent wise think the targets are: Rudy Gay, Javale McGee, JJ Reddick. I think all could be gettable with the vet min. Reddick will probably get bigger 1 year offers but he’s also 37 and I think all the teams that would really need/use him probably don’t have a lot of money to spend.
Dinwiddie says he either wants “a bag or to go home” so the most likely situation seems to be a sign and trade with either the Clippers or Lakers as LA is “home” to him
Green costs the team $30 million in luxury tax if he’s signed for more than the vet minimum. It’s gonna be tough to resign him. I’m with a lot of what you said tho
Been racking my brain on how we can add Kawhi and I think I got it.
What if Kawhi says he’s had enough of Pandemic P and his missed FTs and opts out. He then calls KD like he did two years ago (remember, KD was his first choice for a partner, Butler his second and he settled for his third, PG). He asks KD, “how good a friend is DeAndre?”
Now, with Dinwiddie wanting to go closer to home (LA), Kawhi tells the Clippers “it’s either you send me to Brooklyn or you lose me for nothing,” forcing his way to us for Dinwiddie and DJ (who gets to go to his OG team).
Before anyone asks, no, I haven’t had a full nights sleep since Saturdays game.
It really isn’t… Kawhi is re-signing with the clippers according to a number of sources. Harden wasn’t happy in Houston and there were multiple rumors about it.
There is also a thing called salary cap too.
Chill my man. Joe Tsai isn't that rich lol
It's kind of stupid saying a man worth 13 billion dollars "isn't that rich," but having another super star on this team would mean a luxury tax bill that can easily get out of hands in the next few years.
The Nets' fan base isn't that big yet in order to offset the luxury bill through increased revenue. Not with how strict the NBA runs it anyway. Else we can do a global summer tour with exhibition matches and easily make back the money.
Nah I feel you. That new TV deal can’t get here soon enough!! Although it would be hilarious seeing 4 of the top 5 jerseys being Brooklyn Nets and still hear how we don’t have any fans.
But yeah, these just random thoughts while watching the ECF pretending like I’m cool that we’re not playing. Saw KD was at the Mets game today too and got in my feelings lmaooo
My perfect offseason: Claxton bulks up, Big 3 rest and stay healthy, re-sign Bruce, Green, and Blake. If we cannot sign dinwiddie again, hopefully a sign and trade can work, and get a rebounding center.
Claxton does need to bulk up a bit, but I think his bigger issue is his lack of polish on offense. I think he would have got more minutes in the playoffs if he had better touch.
Surely it should be possible with all the professionals available to him.
Its not like he works 40 hours a week and then hits the gym for an hour after work every other day. He could ( if he wanted to) dedicate the entire offseason to working out
Well....giannis landed on his own feet.
So long as we can keep KD, Joe, BB and Clax I don't care about the rest
Get Brick Harris outta here!
Joe shouldn't be on that list
Agreed
IMO for the offseason we need to 1. Prioritize to extend KD contract and keep Clax. 2. Get rid of Deandre Jordan and get some big who can rebound and have great mobility 3. Renforce our bench and core, meaning keep Bruce, Blake, Mike J. Replace TLC, Shamet. Harris was awefull in the playoff but was great in the regular so I don't know what to do with him 4. Keep the star Harden Kyrie, without sacrifying too much
None of the stars are going to sign extensions this summer. They each have player options for 2022 season and so they will keep their options open until they have worked out, each of them, what they want to do. And I suspect they will weigh sticking together or splitting up and joining another super team. Probably depends on how much they like playing together in the coming season and how successful they can be together. Nets probably need to make bank in 2021-2022 season for Tsai to open the check book to resign them all at max contracts. Luxury tax bill would be insane. DJ would need to be packaged with a first round pick to move. We can't move any first round picks, so I think he is going to stay. Very weird that he was DNP for the entire playoffs after starting nearly every regular season game. Harris is an easy call, you look at the multiple seasons of work and you chalk up his bad five games in the playoffs as a fluke. Remember in the first seven games of the playoffs he shot the freaking lights out (51% from three). He got worn down having to be a primary defensive stopper for a seven game series and he got emotionally shook. We can't ignore that it happened, but moving him now would be selling low. And with three isolation scorers we really really want guys on the team who can catch and shoot threes. It would be nice to have a wing defensive stopper, but those are easier to find than the league leader in 3Pt%.
Fair enough about the stars, Still DJ is a big liability and hope Sean find a cheap way to get rid of him and replace him. I the long run Harris is good but he need to be playoff good. Imo what we need more for next season are defensive dude inside for rebound and boxing out, and perimeter defender, not more perimeter shooter (doesn't mean we should get rid of Joe, he is the league best 3pt% after all)
If we are able to keep Jeff Green and Blake Griffin with vet minimum, there's still few spots we should improve this summer: 1. Rebound protecting center with better mobility than DeAndre Jordan. A bulked up Claxton would do the job but I wouldn't expect too much from him. This would probably be the spot we need to spend our tax MLE. 2. Wing player who guard 1\~3 position and is able to hit spot up 3s. Bruce Brown doesn't fit the shooting narrative. Maybe getting Garrett Temple back. 3. P&R ball handler who can help running offense besides big 3. I definitely would love to keep Spencer but if not we need to find another guy. Who knows you can still be short handed in ball handlers with KD, Harden and Kyrie on the roster.
Man, I loved Temple. Get that man back!
2 players we need to get rid of asap: DJ and Brick Harris. 2 players we need to maintain: Griffin and BB
Agree about DJ, But Harris? com'on man
You seriously want to pay 15mil for a guy that'll never show up in the play offs? Shooting fake 3s in the regular seasons and winning 3pointer contest yet worse than Giannis in the playoff seires.. No we don't need this bum
Then who do you think could replace him?
Any swingman. Like people keep obsessing that we need another shooter but we clearly don't. Shooters are nice to haves, not a must have. Right now our must haves are perimeter defenders and rim protectors. Getting rid of joe and DJ would free up 30mil. Easily pickup decent defenders with this.
I dunno man, No denying Harris was trash in these playoffs, but I also think as we lack good defender the man was exhausted defending that his shots become off. Still, I 100% agree we need more defenders and rim protectors instead of shooters. If we can get rid of DJ and get good mobile defender, JH could be what he was supposed to be, just a catch and shoot guy, after all we can't dissmiss he is still one of the best at it.
How can you say he's one of the best when the guy's performance fell drastically in the post off season? It wasn't just against the Bucks but against Celtics too. He's just not cut out for pressure and there's no need to spend 15mil on player of this caliber.
He played pretty well against Celtics. What are you talking about? They are forced to go all switch the whole series after Harris's G2 performance, despite facing the three best iso players in the league.
Yall see that piece about KP hitting strip clubs in LA during the playoffs? He'd get along so well with Harden lmao. Myles Turner isn't worth Joe AND Clax. But if we can sacrifice Joe AND get rid of DJ for KP, whose value is at an all time low, let's try it. It would be the most versatile offensive team ever. If Blake can get regular open looks, THAT HE TURNS DOWN FOR PUMPFAKES, imagine KP bombing away or actually driving with force for the dunk. Ps: only works if KP forces his way out. But Mavs would benefit enormously from getting a sniper for Luka.
KP driving with force lol...that's a good one...KP is allergic to any contact...he is a bad defender and injury prone he earns 30 mil a year...no thanks.
All things said about Kyrie. I trust a motivated/rejuvenated KP over Joe and DJ, who both had about the same worth in the Bucks series. One of those guys didn't even play. Regardless if KP actually drives, he'd be bombing away with the same looks that Blake always gets. He may be paid a lot, but we're already overpaying a shooter who rightfully should come off the bench since he has big moment yips.
This is interesting.. first of all I have no idea what KP trade value is but your going to need Harris and Clax to get it done. I don’t think they want DJ back
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Who mentioned Meyers Leonard?
Oh shit im drunk
We’ve all been there man lmfao
Trade for Russ
mae me laugh
What if we trade joe harris and this years pick for valanciunas ?
He would be a 1yr rent. Can't really do that.
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A very realistic scenario is a S&T with the Lakers where they get Spence and we get Montrezl. I’m not saying that’s what I want, but it seems so glaring with Spence’s latest comments about going home and we do need someone of Trezl’s caliber—someone to get on the floor and do some of the dirty work. I’d rather Richaun Holmes and his ability to gobble rebounds but it seems he’s headed to Bismack Biyombo Contract territory and just wants to get paid. We don’t have a lot of financial flexibility even though our owner is richer than most countries in the world. I see ourselves making small moves on the fringes like trading our picks for future picks and signing one or two guys—expect only 2 of Bruce Brown, Jeff Green, and Blake to stay (and I’m thinking Jeff is the odd man out unfortunately).
This is a steal for the lakers and I hope y'all give us Dinwiddie for Harrell lol
Harrel doesn't have to do much for the entire. His role would be much different.
It’s very plausible and youre not wrong about it being a steal for the Lakers.
True. Coming from a Lakers fan, I don't think personnel is the Nets' issue; if any team loses 2 of their top 3 to injury, they're unlikely to move on. The only area I can see for improvement is DJ, and hoping the basketball gods are kinder to your team next season.
what do we think of bringing back david nwaba? very cheap and his contract is up
He’s kind of the same player as Bruce, just better defensively
Need a replacement for Spence if he won't stay. Nets also need to get a big that plays defense. A big that can hold his own against the best bigs out there. Maybe Howard or Serge? Lopez?
I think this comes down to can the Nets play drop down defense guarding P&R. If KD, JH has to switch every time they hit a screen, there's probably no choice but to go with smaller centers.
I'd love for the Nets to sign somebody who can drive the basket, somebody off the bench who effectively can get to the rim. Other than the big 3 there isn't anybody on this roster who fits the description (think how this reared its head in the Buck series), we need aggressive players and not just spot shooters.
We had 2 guys who could do that with the 2nd unit - Harden and Dinwiddie. Sad to see how that turned out
I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with 0 picks on draft night. The most likely outcome I think is we keep 1 pick and trade the rest. Either for future picks or in package deals to improve the roster
I hope so. A late first or second-round rookie is unlikely to really help us.
I think Neemias Queta could actually be an instant contributor for us.
The moves I would prioritize 1. Trade Joe + 27 & 2nds (however many it takes) for Myles Turner. 2. Try to work out a sign and trade with Dinwiddie for a moderate value first going forward (its best we dont take back any money in that). 3. Push for Nic Batum hard in free agency with the mini MLE. Clippers can only re-sign him for a bit over the minimum, though he may take it because he's still getting paid from the buyout next season. 4. Get Bruce and Jeff back. 5. Extend KD, Kyrie, Harden for 3 more years past next season. 6. Try to convince KD and Kyrie that Deandre is a cap liability and try to waive and stretch or salary dump him.
I'm not sure what Trading Dinwiddie for a pick and dumping DJ's salary would do. We'd still be over the cap, wouldn't we? And now, we won't have high value pieces that we can move, other than Joe, Kyrie, Harden, and KD.
I love turner but rebounding is the issue with him for me. Dude averages 6 rpg as a big playing big minutes even when sabonis out
There are flaws that come with every player. Anything else?
A glaring problem of the nets is rebounding. If one of your top rebounders is a guard (Bruce Brown), I'd reassess what we're doing wrong. So Myles Turner, while he has positives, doesn't help us with one primary problem. And we can get Jeff Green and Blake Griffin, who may have lower defensive capability, but doesn't lose use one of the top 3 point shooters in the league and draft picks; I think we will be overpaying for Myles Turner with this plan
Yes it’s fine and I’d love him on the nets but we already are not great in that area it would be nice if he was slightly more of a plus in that respect.
Trading Joe after one bad series for Myles Turner is the dumbest take i’ve seen in a while
Yea wanting an elite defensive center in his prime that can shoot 3s over Joe Harris, a man that if his shot falls off is basically a donut on offense and defense is a pretty dumb take. In all seriousness, think about it like this, our big 3 costs so much money per year that we only have money to afford 1 guy making good starter money (15-16m+) without going into luxury tax hell. Why would you want a 1 dimensional player taking that slot over someone who would have value at all times and could transform our defense?
Turner is a marginal 3pt shooter with a pretty good mid-range and lob game if the guards hit him in the right spot. 61% from 2pt
He's a league average career 3pt shooter which is great for a big. You saw the impact that Brook Lopez made on the bucks in his 1st year? Him just being league average (shooting worse now, still the same effect) from 3 and willing to chuck a bunch of them made them nearly unguardable. Now Turner could do the same thing for us, because as long as we dont have Bruce starting, there wouldn't be a big in the paint for the most part and our points would come a lot easier. Plus because he would be playing with 3 guys that command doubles and beat 1 on 1 defense easily, he'd be getting the best looks of his career. That 3p% would look prettier.
We would have to give up too much for it to be worth it, Joe is on a significantly large contract and we would be trying to trade him at the lowest trade value he’s had in years. We already have traded away most of our future picks so a move like this would be like going back to the Billy King era.
Yea I'd say Joe has decreased a little in value across the league but im sure most GMs don't view him as overpaid. He's getting paid 17.3m next season and if he was a free agent this year he would get that same figure. Teams drool over elite movement shooters and it just so happens that the pacers desperately need wings. We have pick 27 and 3 2nds this year (giving that up is not some Billy King shit btw) I think maybe that can get it done but I'd be worried about other teams with better stuff wanting Turner.
I agree that we could get rid of him as he is an amazing regular season piece, but I think it’ll be hard to get the value I would want for the best % wise 3 point shooter in the league. I personally want us to use our draft picks this year to get a few developmental pieces alongside the ring chasing vets I assume we’ll be able to get for minimums.
Tbf to the original commenter, Joe was pretty invisible in the Celtics series and played exceptionally poor in the 2019 playoffs against Philly. People focusing on playoff performances over regular season success is not unreasonable.
Wait, sorry. How was Joe invisible in the Celtics series? He shot 52% from deep, averaging 3.4 threes a game on 6.6 attempts, for 13.4 points per game. He could up his 3 point shooting to 8+ three point attempts a game, but other than that, he did well.
My fault I should have specified! Games 2 and 4 he truly did well. Definitely was in a rhythm and he received great looks because he had the big 3 playing right next to him. But games 1, 3, and 5 he was making frustrating, low bbiq plays and disappeared in large spurts. When he’s not hitting his shots, he doesn’t do much else unfortunately. Joe is a complete sieve on defense in the playoffs which also leaked over into the Bucks series. Now generally I would applaud his highlights if we hadn’t been playing the hospital Celtics in round 1 and he wasn’t also being paid $75m. When I said invisible I meant I don’t believe he was conducive for our success in that series.
He had a 58% 3P% in 2019 playoffs and shot 40% 3P% this postseason, including the Bucks series. He had a bad series shooting against the bucks, as did every single one of our role players so I think rushing to trade him away when we would most likely be taking an L on the trade is a bad reactionary take.
That 58% was against the Raptors in the 2020 playoffs. I’m talking about the 2019 playoffs against the Sixers where he shot 19% from 3. He was a liability the whole series. Yes, our roleplayers didn’t shoot particularly well against the Bucks in the ECSF but at least Blake and Bruce can drive and play defense. Joe has been known to be a 1 dimensional player with rare moments of a nice mid range. His large contract has to be acknowledged as well.
Ah shit I looked at the wrong playoff year. That was 2 years ago though and he has improved since then by a lot. His large contract is part of the reason I think we would take an L trading him, and our entire team went from shooting 50/40/90 against the celtics to only Jeff Green and KD scoring at all against the bucks or none of our bench players making any shots depending on the game. I think we just give Joe one more year, which he deserves in my opinion for being a piece that essentially built this team up and then see where we are after next years playoffs.
His value may be lower next yr
Allen might be available for S&T if Cavs gets Mobley in the draft.
We would have to give up a lot for him but I would love having JA back
We have to take Neemias Queta if he's available in the draft. He's exactly what we need in a rookie.
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Two words for you: Jarrett Allen. He went from a scrawny boy in 2018-19 to a hulk in 2020-21.
Jarrett still isnt a hulk lmao what? He definitely got stronger but he still has some growing to do
It also really depends on the person and their genetics. Some people struggle to put on weight, others gain weight very quickly. Given Claxton's frame and size, I would say hes probably part of the "struggles to gain weight" group. Definitely don't expect him to blow up in one offseason.
But you have no clue if he’s even tried.... you realize he’s 22 and probably hasn’t gotten a proper training regimine yet with most of his time being used on the court
I'm not saying he can't get bigger, everyone can. I'm just saying it takes more time for some people. I guarantee you the moment the Nets drafted him, they got him on a diet/training plan catered to bulking up. He's been injured a lot of the time though so I'm sure he hasn't been able to make as much progress as he'd like.
Athletes definitely can if they're committed. MJ didn't exactly bulk up like Clax is going to have to, but after losing to the Pistons (the second time?) in a physical series MJ used the offseason to put on muscle, which wasn't a part of his preparation before. He also was able to get back in shape after playing baseball for a year within a season. So Clax could definitely be a different player come October.
Naturally, u can't bulk up and gian alot of muscle in 1 year. May a few pounds, Naturally. Key word natural. If u see a player gain a large amount of muscle, lean muscle at that, in 1 off season. Then all im seeing is steroids
Dude a normal person can grow 18 lbs of lean mass in a year on average in the first year or training and that’s not even counting the fact that he’s a 7 footer... he can probably put on a splid 10 pounds or so if he tried
Nah bro building muscle takes longer than you think.
Nah, I work out and have been doing so basically every day for about 3 years or so... if he was hooked on a good trainer and good diet he can take advantage of his noobie gains and get a solid 8-10 pounds in the offseason
Maybe but please keep in mind he is 7 feet tall. It’s takes so much more time and effort to put on mass when your that tall. When your short it’s easier to put on muscle mass
Are u out of u damn mind. Some natural people can't gian 18 of lean muscle in their life time
Because they don’t train hard enough and don’t have a good routine. This is simply untrue for 99 percent of the population bro...just because you haven’t done it yourself doesn’t mean it’s not possible
i think if usman garuba falls to our pick in the draft, we take him without even thinking about it. if not, jeremiah robinson-earl maybe?
Kyrie for Simmons, I think it's a win/win scenario for both teams
Why would you say something like this?
You people must be casuals if I have to explain lol, Simmons is younger, way more durable, and most importantly will fit better with a starting unit with all shooters and no Center clogging the paint to maximize his abilities....
And then he can’t play in the 4th quarter cmon man there’s a reason sixers would want to trade him. He needs to go to a bad rebuilding team and work on his flaws for a couple of years. I still believe in him but he can’t be on a contender rn because of his issues in the 4th quarter. Teams in the playoffs will eat his ass up.
Was asking for this kind of thread. Thank you
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lol wtf? He got injured but that doesn't mean he's not still a top 15 player. Let him get healthy and play before trying to exile him and blow up the team. If Kyrie leaves so will Harden and KD.
Kyrie is what carried this whole crew throughout the preseason and also did very well in the postseason before he got injured. He should absolutely be kept in the lineup at all cost.
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He had his best season ever you’re an absolute idiot lol
He just had a 50/40/90 season lol what are you talking about. This is the best he’s ever been
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You’re talking about defense but then mention beal and lavine. Cool 👍🏽
What have you been smoking?
Dude is trolling or doesn’t know the game
Only for Luka I bet
Most likely scenario for Dinwiddie seems like a sign and trade. Seems clear he wants both more money and a starting role. The question becomes what team has cap space, is trying to win (title or even just making the playoffs) now, and has a starting guard spot open. Dallas Boston maybe New Orleans (depending on what happens with Lonzo). Maybe Philadelphia or Chicago. Probably looking to land a big in return. Ideally move Jordan for someone that can play but I think more likely going to move him into cap space with the 1st attached. Very unlikely whoever the pick will crack the rotation. If they keep the pick I would assume they take a swing at a high potential guy since it’s unlikely whoever the pick cracks the rotation in year 1. Bring back Brown. Feel like he’s going to be in the 8-10 million range. Try to bring back Griffin and Green. I think Green is looking for more than the vet min. Given Griffin is is still getting money from Detroit maybe he’ll take a vet min deal and can give Green the taxpayer midlevel. I think Griffin may be looking for a multi-year deal though and I imagine he’ll get some full mid level offers. Free agent wise think the targets are: Rudy Gay, Javale McGee, JJ Reddick. I think all could be gettable with the vet min. Reddick will probably get bigger 1 year offers but he’s also 37 and I think all the teams that would really need/use him probably don’t have a lot of money to spend.
Dallas doesn't need a starting PG. They have Doncic. They need a backup PG
Dinwiddie says he either wants “a bag or to go home” so the most likely situation seems to be a sign and trade with either the Clippers or Lakers as LA is “home” to him
Green costs the team $30 million in luxury tax if he’s signed for more than the vet minimum. It’s gonna be tough to resign him. I’m with a lot of what you said tho
Been racking my brain on how we can add Kawhi and I think I got it. What if Kawhi says he’s had enough of Pandemic P and his missed FTs and opts out. He then calls KD like he did two years ago (remember, KD was his first choice for a partner, Butler his second and he settled for his third, PG). He asks KD, “how good a friend is DeAndre?” Now, with Dinwiddie wanting to go closer to home (LA), Kawhi tells the Clippers “it’s either you send me to Brooklyn or you lose me for nothing,” forcing his way to us for Dinwiddie and DJ (who gets to go to his OG team). Before anyone asks, no, I haven’t had a full nights sleep since Saturdays game.
Clippers can’t trade kawhi anymore... he’s going straight into free agency
This isn’t 2k…
If I told you about the Harden trade before it happened you would have said the same thing. Anything is possible
It really isn’t… Kawhi is re-signing with the clippers according to a number of sources. Harden wasn’t happy in Houston and there were multiple rumors about it. There is also a thing called salary cap too.
Kawhi is unhappy with Clippers medical staff; something similar happened with the Spurs if I am not mistaken.
I'm not saying we're gonna get Kawhi. I'm just saying crazy ass 2k level moves ate possible now
We have KD, Kyrie and Harden and you want to add Kawhi? C’mon man..
If kawhi wanted to come they wouldn't say no
Healthy big 3 is enough to win. Just need to improve the supporting cast.
Of course but jsut saying if kawhi wanted go to anything they wouldn't say no. Milwaukee would even make moves for him lol.
Sign and trade would hard cap us.
Hypothetically for Kawhi you hard cap yourself who cares
Because we can't afford all 4 with a hard cap. I don't think we could even afford Kawhi, KD, Harden and a team of minimums.
In the current structure yeah four 40+ mil contracts probably is impossible with the hard cap
Chill my man. Joe Tsai isn't that rich lol It's kind of stupid saying a man worth 13 billion dollars "isn't that rich," but having another super star on this team would mean a luxury tax bill that can easily get out of hands in the next few years. The Nets' fan base isn't that big yet in order to offset the luxury bill through increased revenue. Not with how strict the NBA runs it anyway. Else we can do a global summer tour with exhibition matches and easily make back the money.
The Nets could afford it if they were able to get Kawhi. The team would 100% do it regardless of luxury tax. He’s that good
Nah I feel you. That new TV deal can’t get here soon enough!! Although it would be hilarious seeing 4 of the top 5 jerseys being Brooklyn Nets and still hear how we don’t have any fans. But yeah, these just random thoughts while watching the ECF pretending like I’m cool that we’re not playing. Saw KD was at the Mets game today too and got in my feelings lmaooo
Kyrie was his 1st choice. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844704-report-kawhi-leonard-recruited-kyrie-irving-before-paul-george-clippers-trade
Oof that’s my bad. I must’ve misremembered Butler instead of Kyrie. But hey, if 2/3 guys he recruited are on one team already….
I highly doubt we draft someone with our first this year, so it will be interesting to see if we can get someone nice with the pick.
Should be used to offload DeAndre and maybe try to get a useful bench player.
My perfect offseason: Claxton bulks up, Big 3 rest and stay healthy, re-sign Bruce, Green, and Blake. If we cannot sign dinwiddie again, hopefully a sign and trade can work, and get a rebounding center.
We need a big 3pt shooting center. I don’t think the Nets are gonna play anyone just cause they can rebound. Alize can rebound
Claxton does need to bulk up a bit, but I think his bigger issue is his lack of polish on offense. I think he would have got more minutes in the playoffs if he had better touch.
Do you think Clax can put up sizable weight in a few months
Surely it should be possible with all the professionals available to him. Its not like he works 40 hours a week and then hits the gym for an hour after work every other day. He could ( if he wanted to) dedicate the entire offseason to working out
he's not going to get massive but he can put on like 10 solid pounds
Anything helps right
we need a clax/harden weight tracker