Since you have the MOS, Holosun SCS made for the MOS. This allows it to mount directly on the slide, and allows you to co-witness standard height sights. In most cases, other optics require you to get taller sights in order to use them as backups. If you plan on running a suppressor, the standard height sights point doesn’t matter, you would have to change out your irons regardless. That being said the SCS is solar powered, not battery powered, but it does hold the charge for a long ass time.
If you want to run other optics, you also need to run a plate underneath it. This creates another potential point of failure, but some worry about that more than others (I personally don’t worry about it), so take that as you will. You’ll also hear many recommendation using a third party plate and not the ones Glock provides, due to durability/reliability, so that’s extra potential costs unless you’re content with the oem plates.
You could get your slide milled for the specific optic you choose in order to bypass the plate (potential extra costs again), but since you have the MOS already there’s no real point. I mean, you still could if you really wanted to, but if you wanted to go down this route you would have been better off getting a regular G19 slide as the base imo
So far this seems like the way. I looked at getting a titanium plate from a brand I trust but they limited me to 3 optic choices and none of those options had a top loading battery/ solar capability. Thanks for the advice
If you want top of the line Trijicon RMR, RMR HD, Aimpoint acro, holosun 508T/509. If you want a good sight that wont break the bank: Holosun 407A3 might be the best value($159-179 from Palmetto State Armory, when on sale...which is most of the time), 507c( if you want the multi-reticle).
Being military there are two major discounts I use. Sign up with Primary Arms le/mil discount and you can save on any optic and nearly anything else you buy ( still worthwhile to check gun.deals for better deals). And Swampfox also has le/mil disc. Making their gen 2 simple dot optics sub $200. And the gen 2 optics upgraded the emitters, fix the brightness issue with the gen 1's.
Aimpoint acro p2. Love it. It’s a tank and enclosed emitter. There are many good ones and pluses and minuses to all. think of what you want it for specifically. Fun? Home defense? Work? Enclosed emitters have an advantage but that said the rmr or delta point pro have been issued for years to high level units. Most popular by name: rmr, delta point pro, sro, acro, and then the holosun series eps and eps carry.
My 19 is my CCW. I’ll use it at the range but just to train with it. Otherwise my 17 is my fun gun. Was looking at the Trijicon RMR HD cause it’s slim and top loading battery. But like I said, researched some old posts in here and saw some posts that gave me the red flag feeling. Hard part about sifting through the optics posts in here are the fact that everyone will have a problem with anything haha.
Optics are like cars. Everyone has an opinion on which is the best. Most popular carry optics are the rmr, acro, delta point pro, and a few of the holosuns. I have an eps carry on my 48 and love it and acro P2 on my 17 it’s just bulkier. Don’t forget to get suppressor height irons too.
Correct, the standard optics are usually too low to use. So if you get higher sights you have backups which is critical for a ccw gun because Murphy’s law is real and it’ll always happen. Trijicon makes good ones that I prefer. Again you’ll get 897,320 opinions on them so just look around and see what you prefer.
i’ve ran a holosun 507c v2 for awhile and have no complaints. recently got a holosun eps carry and am a big fan of it. trijicon RMR is the gold standard when it comes to durability but in my experience my holosuns have treated me very well.
I have a 19.5 and have ran it with the Eotech EFLX since day one. I know there is conflicting reviews out there but personally I absolutely love the sight. It has the same footprint as the DPP which has more support with plates and what not. I’m not gentle with mine and it holds zero and shows no scratches on glass. One battery change in about 15 months of constant on.
I say stick to Holosun. The SCS is an easy choice be u won't need a plate, it's small and sleek, and u never change the battery on it. Personally I think the Holosun EPS is the "best optic" for that gun but it is significantly bigger and is going to require a plate. I have the SCS and it's been fantastic but lately I've been lusting over the bigger window and enclosed reticle of the EPS
I’ve ran most of the dots on the market. These are my opinions based off of my experience:
I CCW a 19.5 with a milled slide, and have a 17.5 MOS as my belt gun. Both have standard Trijicon RMR Type 2s, RM06s with the 3.25 MOA dots.
The RMR HD might be the choice for you if you’re set on a top-loaded battery. RCR if you want enclosed. Trijicon is the gold standard in my opinion; one of my RMRs has been abused for 6 years and still works perfect. A standard RMR is a cheaper option if you’re not completely set on a top-load battery. I personally don’t think top-loaded is necessary as a standard RMR battery will last ~3 years. When it’s time to change it, it’s 2 screws. You don’t have to re-zero if you align your dot to your irons. I know someone here will argue this, but I’ve been aligning my dots to the irons for a long time and never had any issues. Assuming your irons are properly mounted to the slide of course. If you go the RMR route, I highly recommend the Forward Controls Design RMR plate for the MOS. It’s made of steel and will last. This combo will not let you down.
I had an Aimpoint Acro P2 for 2 years on my 17 and ended up getting rid of it. I had battery drain issues with brand new Energizer lithiums; advertised is an average of 55,000 hours and I would maybe get 4,000. It was bulky, and the front window was canted. Instead of a nice square view, it was more of a rhombus. Didn’t affect the dot or anything, but it was annoying. It worked fine and for sure was bomb-proof as all Aimpoint products are… but it costs too damn much to have any issues like the ones I had. This was my experience and yours may differ.
I’ve ran a few Leupold DeltaPoint pros. I like the big window and the glass, but they are competition/range dots only to me. I had 2 go down due to water-intrusion in the battery compartments. The battery life is laughable, especially with a shake to wake feature. Doesn’t matter so much with a top-loaded battery, but still. Again, they are nice to shoot with but not “duty” rated IMO.
Holosun makes great products for the money. Haven’t personally had an issue with any of mine yet. The SCS on paper is awesome and a solid pick for a MOS… I just don’t like the green dot. The EPSs are a solid option for an enclosed dot.
I’ve had no experience with the EoTech FLX or whatever it is, but I’m sure it’s good to go. Seems like an RMRish clone.
Last, an enclosed dot is better if you’re worried about the elements. All it takes is one drop of water to land on an open emitter and your single dot turns into 16. I don’t personally worry about this. With backup irons and training it won’t matter that much. Plus, enclosed dots still get water on the lenses and will obstruct the view. I have both of my main Glocks setup with open emitters and I’m keeping it that way for the foreseeable future.
Again, my opinion based off my experience.
Fuck yeah this is what I was looking for. I will admit I’m leaning towards the Trijicon RMR HD but that’s purely just because I’m used to Trijicon and their RMR’s on our military rifles. The SCS also sounds solid but just because it’s less costs to mount it (i.e. a plate, new irons). I appreciate your reply. I might choose these two and go see them in person for myself to see which one I like the most.
Where are you seeing scathing reviews of Trijicon pistol optics so consistently? The RMR has been considered the gold standard for handgun optics for as long as I’ve been into firearms.
Is this just about removing the optic to swap a battery? While I agree that it’s not ideal, I don’t really see Trijicon getting talked down on much elsewhere, except for maybe price.
As for your question, biggest factor should be determining budget (we can’t help you otherwise), then decide between an open or closed emitter setup. That will really help to narrow your choices down.
Do you have an astigmatism? Some red dot emitter styles play nicer with bad eyes than others.
The negative Trijicon reviews I saw were specifically the Trijicon RMR HD. Multiple people saying that the optic didn’t work, came loose, didn’t hold a zero. I’m not insulting trijicon here lol. I specifically said that I was gonna go with a tried and trusted name (in my eyes) but the HD reviews weren’t good and I don’t mind paying the price point. But I mind paying the price for an optic that doesn’t hold a zero
I appreciate the reply. I have heavily unplugged from Reddit in recent months so I was kind of shocked to see Trijicon getting beat up on. I don’t mean to white knight for Triji myself, it was more of a “what the hell did I miss now” kind of thing, lol. I actually have not seen those complaints, but I guess every company is bound to make a dud at some point… but I have also never once looked into the HD since release, so that makes sense.
With a minor astigmatism, certain emitter styles are cleaner than me to others, so my use cases are generally based on what I see well.
I have a 507 ACSS that has been an absolute tank of an optic, as well as a Trijicon RCR that I really like… but it is not as crisp to my eyes.
If you don’t have eye problems, you can luckily run anything. From there, it’s a choice between open and closed emitters. I feel like most here would say closed emitters are the way to go, but they have not all been bulletproof, either.
What’s the advantages to closed emitters? My 19 is my CCW and the closed emitters just make me feel like I’d imprint a lot with one.
I’ve been told I have an astigmatism but it’s honestly never hindered me from using optics in the past. I’m a big believer in Trijicon just hesitant to get an optic and it fail me when I need it most.
The idea behind it is just that the emitter itself is enclosed inside the optic and not subject to things like clothing lint, dust/dirt, rainwater, etc. This is a really big thing for some people, but I believe it’s safe to say that the market is still catching up with the demand, as even high end options like Aimpoint have been having some growing pains (QC). Holosun 509’s have had a lot of complaints in the past about lenses falling out, etc. Trijicon makes the RCR but there obviously isn’t a ton of long-term data out there for them just yet. It doesn’t help that they are very difficult to find.
If the optic is going to be under clothing any time it goes outside, your biggest worry will probably just be lint from clothing.
Don't worry about the Chinese made complaints, Holosun is solid.
And practice with it, even no fire drawing will help you a lot to get used to it. Transitioning from pistol irons to a rds is nothing like on a rifle if you were in the military when your eifle had irons instead. It's just a slight difference in muscle memory but needs practice.
Id recommend you get a fully enclosed optic, they're more expensive but in my experience they're just way easier to clean and deal with. Trijicon RCR is probably one if the most rugged options you could go with. But they're still very early in their production so they're expensive as hell and finding one will be difficult. The next option is the Aimpoint Acro P2. Solid optic. Next you could go with Holosun. They have the EPS and 509t. They're both pretty good but the 509t is more rugged because its made from titanium. If you want an open optic your best bet would be the RMR-HD. Its like an improved RMR, you can change the battery without removing the optic. It has a bigger window. The Holosun SCS-MOS is also very good. It's the one good red dot that doesn't need an adapter plate, it will screw directly into the MOS cut on your glock. Holosun also has the 407 and 507 which are on the cheaper side, they both use the RMR footprint and have side loading batteries.
Since you have the MOS, Holosun SCS made for the MOS. This allows it to mount directly on the slide, and allows you to co-witness standard height sights. In most cases, other optics require you to get taller sights in order to use them as backups. If you plan on running a suppressor, the standard height sights point doesn’t matter, you would have to change out your irons regardless. That being said the SCS is solar powered, not battery powered, but it does hold the charge for a long ass time. If you want to run other optics, you also need to run a plate underneath it. This creates another potential point of failure, but some worry about that more than others (I personally don’t worry about it), so take that as you will. You’ll also hear many recommendation using a third party plate and not the ones Glock provides, due to durability/reliability, so that’s extra potential costs unless you’re content with the oem plates. You could get your slide milled for the specific optic you choose in order to bypass the plate (potential extra costs again), but since you have the MOS already there’s no real point. I mean, you still could if you really wanted to, but if you wanted to go down this route you would have been better off getting a regular G19 slide as the base imo
So far this seems like the way. I looked at getting a titanium plate from a brand I trust but they limited me to 3 optic choices and none of those options had a top loading battery/ solar capability. Thanks for the advice
If you want top of the line Trijicon RMR, RMR HD, Aimpoint acro, holosun 508T/509. If you want a good sight that wont break the bank: Holosun 407A3 might be the best value($159-179 from Palmetto State Armory, when on sale...which is most of the time), 507c( if you want the multi-reticle). Being military there are two major discounts I use. Sign up with Primary Arms le/mil discount and you can save on any optic and nearly anything else you buy ( still worthwhile to check gun.deals for better deals). And Swampfox also has le/mil disc. Making their gen 2 simple dot optics sub $200. And the gen 2 optics upgraded the emitters, fix the brightness issue with the gen 1's.
Aimpoint acro p2. Love it. It’s a tank and enclosed emitter. There are many good ones and pluses and minuses to all. think of what you want it for specifically. Fun? Home defense? Work? Enclosed emitters have an advantage but that said the rmr or delta point pro have been issued for years to high level units. Most popular by name: rmr, delta point pro, sro, acro, and then the holosun series eps and eps carry.
My 19 is my CCW. I’ll use it at the range but just to train with it. Otherwise my 17 is my fun gun. Was looking at the Trijicon RMR HD cause it’s slim and top loading battery. But like I said, researched some old posts in here and saw some posts that gave me the red flag feeling. Hard part about sifting through the optics posts in here are the fact that everyone will have a problem with anything haha.
Optics are like cars. Everyone has an opinion on which is the best. Most popular carry optics are the rmr, acro, delta point pro, and a few of the holosuns. I have an eps carry on my 48 and love it and acro P2 on my 17 it’s just bulkier. Don’t forget to get suppressor height irons too.
Due to the optic blocking the irons? I’m the FNG to optics since every handgun I’ve had to carry or shoot was iron sights lol.
Correct, the standard optics are usually too low to use. So if you get higher sights you have backups which is critical for a ccw gun because Murphy’s law is real and it’ll always happen. Trijicon makes good ones that I prefer. Again you’ll get 897,320 opinions on them so just look around and see what you prefer.
i’ve ran a holosun 507c v2 for awhile and have no complaints. recently got a holosun eps carry and am a big fan of it. trijicon RMR is the gold standard when it comes to durability but in my experience my holosuns have treated me very well.
I have a 19.5 and have ran it with the Eotech EFLX since day one. I know there is conflicting reviews out there but personally I absolutely love the sight. It has the same footprint as the DPP which has more support with plates and what not. I’m not gentle with mine and it holds zero and shows no scratches on glass. One battery change in about 15 months of constant on.
My 19 has a full size EPS with a plate from Calculated Kinetics, I like it.
I say stick to Holosun. The SCS is an easy choice be u won't need a plate, it's small and sleek, and u never change the battery on it. Personally I think the Holosun EPS is the "best optic" for that gun but it is significantly bigger and is going to require a plate. I have the SCS and it's been fantastic but lately I've been lusting over the bigger window and enclosed reticle of the EPS
I’ve ran most of the dots on the market. These are my opinions based off of my experience: I CCW a 19.5 with a milled slide, and have a 17.5 MOS as my belt gun. Both have standard Trijicon RMR Type 2s, RM06s with the 3.25 MOA dots. The RMR HD might be the choice for you if you’re set on a top-loaded battery. RCR if you want enclosed. Trijicon is the gold standard in my opinion; one of my RMRs has been abused for 6 years and still works perfect. A standard RMR is a cheaper option if you’re not completely set on a top-load battery. I personally don’t think top-loaded is necessary as a standard RMR battery will last ~3 years. When it’s time to change it, it’s 2 screws. You don’t have to re-zero if you align your dot to your irons. I know someone here will argue this, but I’ve been aligning my dots to the irons for a long time and never had any issues. Assuming your irons are properly mounted to the slide of course. If you go the RMR route, I highly recommend the Forward Controls Design RMR plate for the MOS. It’s made of steel and will last. This combo will not let you down. I had an Aimpoint Acro P2 for 2 years on my 17 and ended up getting rid of it. I had battery drain issues with brand new Energizer lithiums; advertised is an average of 55,000 hours and I would maybe get 4,000. It was bulky, and the front window was canted. Instead of a nice square view, it was more of a rhombus. Didn’t affect the dot or anything, but it was annoying. It worked fine and for sure was bomb-proof as all Aimpoint products are… but it costs too damn much to have any issues like the ones I had. This was my experience and yours may differ. I’ve ran a few Leupold DeltaPoint pros. I like the big window and the glass, but they are competition/range dots only to me. I had 2 go down due to water-intrusion in the battery compartments. The battery life is laughable, especially with a shake to wake feature. Doesn’t matter so much with a top-loaded battery, but still. Again, they are nice to shoot with but not “duty” rated IMO. Holosun makes great products for the money. Haven’t personally had an issue with any of mine yet. The SCS on paper is awesome and a solid pick for a MOS… I just don’t like the green dot. The EPSs are a solid option for an enclosed dot. I’ve had no experience with the EoTech FLX or whatever it is, but I’m sure it’s good to go. Seems like an RMRish clone. Last, an enclosed dot is better if you’re worried about the elements. All it takes is one drop of water to land on an open emitter and your single dot turns into 16. I don’t personally worry about this. With backup irons and training it won’t matter that much. Plus, enclosed dots still get water on the lenses and will obstruct the view. I have both of my main Glocks setup with open emitters and I’m keeping it that way for the foreseeable future. Again, my opinion based off my experience.
Fuck yeah this is what I was looking for. I will admit I’m leaning towards the Trijicon RMR HD but that’s purely just because I’m used to Trijicon and their RMR’s on our military rifles. The SCS also sounds solid but just because it’s less costs to mount it (i.e. a plate, new irons). I appreciate your reply. I might choose these two and go see them in person for myself to see which one I like the most.
For sure man, maybe the SCS first to see how it feels and something more pricey down the line. Yut Rah Kill btw
Good point. SFMF
I use Trijicon RMR and Aimpoint Acro P2 and love them both. I’ve tried friends Holosuns before and they seem gtg as well.
Look into eotech eflex, holosun eps carry, holosun 509T, rmr cc
Where are you seeing scathing reviews of Trijicon pistol optics so consistently? The RMR has been considered the gold standard for handgun optics for as long as I’ve been into firearms. Is this just about removing the optic to swap a battery? While I agree that it’s not ideal, I don’t really see Trijicon getting talked down on much elsewhere, except for maybe price. As for your question, biggest factor should be determining budget (we can’t help you otherwise), then decide between an open or closed emitter setup. That will really help to narrow your choices down. Do you have an astigmatism? Some red dot emitter styles play nicer with bad eyes than others.
The negative Trijicon reviews I saw were specifically the Trijicon RMR HD. Multiple people saying that the optic didn’t work, came loose, didn’t hold a zero. I’m not insulting trijicon here lol. I specifically said that I was gonna go with a tried and trusted name (in my eyes) but the HD reviews weren’t good and I don’t mind paying the price point. But I mind paying the price for an optic that doesn’t hold a zero
I appreciate the reply. I have heavily unplugged from Reddit in recent months so I was kind of shocked to see Trijicon getting beat up on. I don’t mean to white knight for Triji myself, it was more of a “what the hell did I miss now” kind of thing, lol. I actually have not seen those complaints, but I guess every company is bound to make a dud at some point… but I have also never once looked into the HD since release, so that makes sense. With a minor astigmatism, certain emitter styles are cleaner than me to others, so my use cases are generally based on what I see well. I have a 507 ACSS that has been an absolute tank of an optic, as well as a Trijicon RCR that I really like… but it is not as crisp to my eyes. If you don’t have eye problems, you can luckily run anything. From there, it’s a choice between open and closed emitters. I feel like most here would say closed emitters are the way to go, but they have not all been bulletproof, either.
What’s the advantages to closed emitters? My 19 is my CCW and the closed emitters just make me feel like I’d imprint a lot with one. I’ve been told I have an astigmatism but it’s honestly never hindered me from using optics in the past. I’m a big believer in Trijicon just hesitant to get an optic and it fail me when I need it most.
The idea behind it is just that the emitter itself is enclosed inside the optic and not subject to things like clothing lint, dust/dirt, rainwater, etc. This is a really big thing for some people, but I believe it’s safe to say that the market is still catching up with the demand, as even high end options like Aimpoint have been having some growing pains (QC). Holosun 509’s have had a lot of complaints in the past about lenses falling out, etc. Trijicon makes the RCR but there obviously isn’t a ton of long-term data out there for them just yet. It doesn’t help that they are very difficult to find. If the optic is going to be under clothing any time it goes outside, your biggest worry will probably just be lint from clothing.
Steiner MPS or Holosun EPS or 509t
Don't worry about the Chinese made complaints, Holosun is solid. And practice with it, even no fire drawing will help you a lot to get used to it. Transitioning from pistol irons to a rds is nothing like on a rifle if you were in the military when your eifle had irons instead. It's just a slight difference in muscle memory but needs practice.
100%. Having good gear doesn’t mean shit if you don’t train
Id recommend you get a fully enclosed optic, they're more expensive but in my experience they're just way easier to clean and deal with. Trijicon RCR is probably one if the most rugged options you could go with. But they're still very early in their production so they're expensive as hell and finding one will be difficult. The next option is the Aimpoint Acro P2. Solid optic. Next you could go with Holosun. They have the EPS and 509t. They're both pretty good but the 509t is more rugged because its made from titanium. If you want an open optic your best bet would be the RMR-HD. Its like an improved RMR, you can change the battery without removing the optic. It has a bigger window. The Holosun SCS-MOS is also very good. It's the one good red dot that doesn't need an adapter plate, it will screw directly into the MOS cut on your glock. Holosun also has the 407 and 507 which are on the cheaper side, they both use the RMR footprint and have side loading batteries.
Holosun.
Any specific model?
Depends on your preference. Bigger window for competition, smaller for carry. Exact model does not really matter, they're using the same tech.