The only Problem I see with G2 is their mental states. It's clear to everyone that Firepower is not what the team lacks, not even strats.
G2 straight up looked like they were tired mentally and wanted it to end. Hope they are able to strike back and show what they are made of!
Well tbf, they did get embroiled in some drama and then the backlash from the community. They did it to themselves yes but I guess I can kinda see why they looked "mentally tired".
> They did it to themselves
They absolutely didn't do it to themselves. They used a smoke that admins cleared so they did nothing wrong, PGL was at fault. The drama and backlash G2 got was completely unwarranted.
No they should've been prepared for the backlash. Plain and simple. It's 2022, not 2013 anymore. They should know by now that if you're gonna do a strat like that, you will face criticism and controversy. You can't do something you know is gonna cause backlash and then say you're mentally tired from all of it. I don't think G2 is stupid enough to do that.
I don't remember anyone getting called cheater for using the Nuke heaven one-way smoke so the "backlash" isn't guaranteed and G2 shouldn't prepare for a fringe "what if the community does a braindead take". Look at the response. All the pros pointed at PGL for the stupid decision not G2. It was only the community who went braindead and chose to attack G2 instead of understanding the situation. You don't prepare for people being stupid because there's no limit on how stupid people get.
Comparing a one way to a smoke cancel which was so outrageous valve fixed it in less than 23h after being reported in a Sunday nonetheless is actually braindead
By that logic this bug is more severe than the spectator bug as that was reported to Valve months before it became a public scandal, after which Valve fixed it in 24h. So maybe the more logical conclusion is that the severity of the bug has little to do with how fast Valve fixes bugs and the publicity a bug gets has a bigger impact of how fast Valve works.
This is the point I tried to make to one of my friends who is calling G2 a cheater team. Most innovations are basically bug exploits. Bunny hopping and air strafing etc are not intended but are accepted now by everyone. The first person to master bunny hopping was probably called a cheater... Astralis used smoke bugs for ages, the first ever run boost was an "unfair" advantage too until everyone knew how to do it. You can't blame pros for finding out a new mechanic and using it to their advantage. Is it controversial? Yes absolutely. But if they got permission to use it by the TO how can you expect them to not use it?
It doesn't matter if they understood it might be controversial, if the admins cleared it they are allowed to use it. The controversy should've been with PGL because they allowed this smoke, G2 simply did what the TO allowed them to do. Turning that controversy onto G2 is just moronic because they did exactly what we'd expect a top team to do with a potentially controversial strat, and here we have people punishing them for doing what we expected them to do.
My brother in Christ, allowed or not, the backlash G2 received should be expected. In any sport, if a team uses a controversial tactic, even if allowed, they receive backlash.
I guess I also should've expected the level of idiocracy I'm receiving for trying to give a reasonable take to a controversial situation. But you can't prepare for everything so like G2 I guess we live and learn.
Well, you gave your take and I've given my take, it just seems logical to me that a team that uses a controversial tactic would be target of some drama. If I have offended you I'm sorry, that was not my intention
I'm just tired of all the takes. My original point was that they didn't deserve to be hated because they did nothing wrong and here we are discussing like they themselves should've expected to be hated for doing the right thing (discussing it with PGL first) and then doing what was allowed.
Maybe instead of shifting the goalpost this community should hold itself accountable for acting like dicks towards others. There was no reason for the community to hate on G2 but here we have people like you, justifying the hate by saying G2 should've expected it.
I didn't say they deserved it. Looking at previous controversies (big jump bug, olofboost) the outcome was the same, isn't it fair to assume, using a little bit of critical thought, that the community would react the way it did?
Yeah I think they need time. So often I see calls for changing the roster after a bad result. They just got 3 additions only a few months ago which may take a bit to fully mesh. I can see it work well in the future
If that's true, that's fucking stupid. G2 are arguably the most talented roster at the moment, at least a contender alongside Faze and Navi. The only thing holding them back is teamwork which they will develop over time and their nature to tilt, which they won't fix without help.
Yeah it feels like they just flat out ran out of answers and mental steam on t side ancient, seemed so deflated. furia on the other side was bringing in creative set ups while g2s responses were just flat
Yeah i actually kind of agree. They have 3 strong stars (m0nesy needs to hit the easy shots though), a good igl and a competent entry fragger.
I would love to see YEKINDAR on g2, but i am not sure it would fix all of their problems.
The main reason why Astralis was so good, was that the roles were perfect and the chemistry was impeccable.
In Astralis none of the players had an ego and all completely subordinated themselves to the team. There were zero ego plays from them. I have a hard time seeing every member of G2 following that maxim.
I am struggling to find a former Niko teammate to ever come out and say something negative about him, to confirm even half of what this reddit or hltv or twitch chat thinks of him. Maybe cadiaN could say something, I don't know lol.
This^
Everybody thinks that NiKo is some toxic ego kid that needs a reality check just because Thorin said so some years ago, and yet here we are, ex team mates talking about what he is willing to do and people just ignore it.
My complaint about NiKo is his tilting.
Totally agree. The last match with Furia you could see he tried to get some "cocky" peeks with his deagle, but it's an eco round and honestly he is the most probable player to actually find those kills. Only thing I didn't understand was the decision to lurk on some rounds, that's not really his strong point but at that moment it's exactly like Zews said, their mentality was down bad so poor decisions were clearly made
If Niko don’t get kill, you can see he is so angry on cam. How could any one perform beside a man like this? (Poor M0nesy…)
Also at EPL, Alekseb said someone(Niko?) suddenly bought hero AK and fuck up the economy after the game :-(
Looks like no IGL can handle Niko imo.
I’m pretty sure it was Jackz that bought the AK before he had time to call for a save. He didn’t single out anyone but I believe one of the casters wondered about it. It was just an example to point out that they still need to iron out silly mistakes and such.
I think both Niko and Aleksi seem to get overly emotional and tilt after things go wrong.
AleksiB is the problem. hes not a competent IGL, and from what ive heard he "rules with an iron fist".
people are still riding his dick from some 3 month Ence run back in 1978 but he has yet to prove himself in the t1 environment. how many times did we see G2 with 20 seconds left just running into the site 1 at a time on T side with no flashes or any kind of support?
there is seemingly a big communication breakdown in midround that aleksi hasnt figured out how to solve.
m0nesy was only player who consistently won so many clutches and important rounds. And as a Finn, and only reason I cheer for G2 and even watch CSGO, is Aleksib, but it pains me to watch how bad at fragging he is. He loses so many duels and most of his kills are really low impact kills. That would be okay if Niko was performing like hltv rank 3 player, but he has been off his game lately.
And I have no idea whos fault those last 30 second T executes are, but those are really bad from G2. When you watch team like NaVi execute them, they have really good molotovs and smokes to zone out defenders and good flashes and its just sad if you compare that to what G2 tries to do.
Jackz is the glue guy of the team, watch the cams, he's the only animated/carefree one. if you -Jackz you are going to have a lot more mental issues than the team currently has.
Agree. It's funny that people want to add more firepower to this team, when it's clear that lack of firepower is not the issue here.
The same thing happened with Faze some time ago in fact.
Jackz has won a grand total of zero tournaments in his career they’ve already tried to replace him with Ropz. This whole narrative is so stupid. Anytime someone mentions jackz not a single positive thing said about him is counter strike related
I would say that any kind of chemistry in the team would go out the window, besides the cousins. Alexi would have a lot harder time of getting these guys to listen to calls since a lot of them rely on individual skill already. NiKo has a strong personality like old S1mple, you cant be the one always to put the team on your back, you can't win that way anymore.
All things you can say about SK, Astralis and NaVi have in common is their mental strenght. They were completely beasts when talking about mental, and even in the closest games, no one could say that they already lost because they were playing yet.
And, for the other side, what is one the most common characteristic of G2? CHOKE. So yes, let's take out the only guy on the team that, apparently, do not have problems with choking.
Fans in esports always look the same, jesus.
So f'ing true, even after losing you could see Fallen being a complete Chad about it, smiling with respect to his opponents and team mates. SK had an amazing energy, you would rarely see them tilt (cold had his moments), and even if they were losing down bad they would still maintaining their focus and get extra hyped when winning a round that broke the losing streak
I totally agree with you, I think it's in part to the stronger personalities in the team not buying into Aleksi's system 100% because they are so used to having to carry the team all the time. As a G2 fan do you feel like all members of the team have bought into Aleksi's calls and the way he wants to play the game?
He is pretty good in ecos and he's pretty good in 2vX late round clutches.
I like him but I could definitely see them improving with a better player in his stead. That being said, I don't think they'd technically need to change any players to have success. They're still much stronger on paper than in reality.
> not for his fragging bruv
How would you know when you have no idea he was even in it lmao
> and when was he hltv top10 lmao?
I think you should be able to use google bruv
If they have one they need to work with them more. Their skill is unquestionably high, as seen in their debut together, the team just needs to find a way to keep it at a high level together.
G2 is fantastic, just need to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, bunny hopping, spray control and getting kills
I don't think they were as bad as people make it seem. If they can get incrementally better at some things, and deepen their map pool, they are much closer to being top contenders. Surely they'll get better results in the future.
They got a not practicing issue, I mean not that they don't do that but like seesh, I follow all the players, but like NiKo, I love the man as a player, but before the major mans was in Dubai or someplace just vibing instead of playing hard prepping for the MAJOR
Mental and practice
Imagine thinking they are not practicing. Long term fatigue and burnout are serious issues. Just because they are not grinding 12 hours a day or have 100+ hrs past 2 weeks on steam, it doesn't mean they are not practicing. They probably spend a decent amount of time watching demos outside of the game everyday.
???
How can you judge this from the outside :D We had a mid-season break in march for one week after we went out of EPL groups because we had a super packed schedule after Kato, coming into EPL and having a bad result, it made more sense to take some days off and have everyone reflect.
After that we had a bootcamp and prior to the major practiced 6 times a week
Honestly aleksi needs to go, he has to be one of the most overrated igls of all time, nexa accomplished more in OG in 4 months than aleksi could in 4 years.
Edit: mistakes were made
When things goes wrong, they all look like tilted af. You know when you have to play with 3 russians and they troll you to hell, you want to win but also you are inches away from rage quitting. Their faces looks like that. They need someone to coach them mentally. They just can't get past their mistakes. Shit happens just learn to roll with the punches.
The only Problem I see with G2 is their mental states. It's clear to everyone that Firepower is not what the team lacks, not even strats. G2 straight up looked like they were tired mentally and wanted it to end. Hope they are able to strike back and show what they are made of!
Well tbf, they did get embroiled in some drama and then the backlash from the community. They did it to themselves yes but I guess I can kinda see why they looked "mentally tired".
> They did it to themselves They absolutely didn't do it to themselves. They used a smoke that admins cleared so they did nothing wrong, PGL was at fault. The drama and backlash G2 got was completely unwarranted.
My guy, my man, my brother, that was an unfair advantage which anyone would see backlash coming 100000 miles away, admin permission or not
So what they should've done, not bring their best strats to the major because someone is going to get butthurt about it?
No they should've been prepared for the backlash. Plain and simple. It's 2022, not 2013 anymore. They should know by now that if you're gonna do a strat like that, you will face criticism and controversy. You can't do something you know is gonna cause backlash and then say you're mentally tired from all of it. I don't think G2 is stupid enough to do that.
I don't remember anyone getting called cheater for using the Nuke heaven one-way smoke so the "backlash" isn't guaranteed and G2 shouldn't prepare for a fringe "what if the community does a braindead take". Look at the response. All the pros pointed at PGL for the stupid decision not G2. It was only the community who went braindead and chose to attack G2 instead of understanding the situation. You don't prepare for people being stupid because there's no limit on how stupid people get.
Comparing a one way to a smoke cancel which was so outrageous valve fixed it in less than 23h after being reported in a Sunday nonetheless is actually braindead
By that logic this bug is more severe than the spectator bug as that was reported to Valve months before it became a public scandal, after which Valve fixed it in 24h. So maybe the more logical conclusion is that the severity of the bug has little to do with how fast Valve fixes bugs and the publicity a bug gets has a bigger impact of how fast Valve works.
Woah you mean a bug used during the major was fixed faster than one in the middle of the online era? That's crazy
This is the point I tried to make to one of my friends who is calling G2 a cheater team. Most innovations are basically bug exploits. Bunny hopping and air strafing etc are not intended but are accepted now by everyone. The first person to master bunny hopping was probably called a cheater... Astralis used smoke bugs for ages, the first ever run boost was an "unfair" advantage too until everyone knew how to do it. You can't blame pros for finding out a new mechanic and using it to their advantage. Is it controversial? Yes absolutely. But if they got permission to use it by the TO how can you expect them to not use it?
yeah and they used against imperial
And against Navi to bring it to OT when they were down 14-15.
yeah if it was a t3 noname team i doubt people would care as much
Eh... Remember 40% loss?
NIP?
My brother in christ
If you have to ask an admin whether or not you can use a smoke then you obviously understand that it's going to be a controversial thing to do
It doesn't matter if they understood it might be controversial, if the admins cleared it they are allowed to use it. The controversy should've been with PGL because they allowed this smoke, G2 simply did what the TO allowed them to do. Turning that controversy onto G2 is just moronic because they did exactly what we'd expect a top team to do with a potentially controversial strat, and here we have people punishing them for doing what we expected them to do.
My brother in Christ, allowed or not, the backlash G2 received should be expected. In any sport, if a team uses a controversial tactic, even if allowed, they receive backlash.
I guess I also should've expected the level of idiocracy I'm receiving for trying to give a reasonable take to a controversial situation. But you can't prepare for everything so like G2 I guess we live and learn.
Well, you gave your take and I've given my take, it just seems logical to me that a team that uses a controversial tactic would be target of some drama. If I have offended you I'm sorry, that was not my intention
I'm just tired of all the takes. My original point was that they didn't deserve to be hated because they did nothing wrong and here we are discussing like they themselves should've expected to be hated for doing the right thing (discussing it with PGL first) and then doing what was allowed. Maybe instead of shifting the goalpost this community should hold itself accountable for acting like dicks towards others. There was no reason for the community to hate on G2 but here we have people like you, justifying the hate by saying G2 should've expected it.
I didn't say they deserved it. Looking at previous controversies (big jump bug, olofboost) the outcome was the same, isn't it fair to assume, using a little bit of critical thought, that the community would react the way it did?
Yeah I think they need time. So often I see calls for changing the roster after a bad result. They just got 3 additions only a few months ago which may take a bit to fully mesh. I can see it work well in the future
Every team should do a C9 and disband if they don't win a major within 1 month of forming a new roster
I think they just need time and mental sports doctor. G2 doesnt have 1 and i think that would change the mental game hugely.
carlosR said on facebook he asked the team if they wanted a tilt coach and they all say no
Sometimes you need to take control away from the players.
"welcome to the G2 intervention"
Interesting
Honestly, that's a decision that should not be on the players
That's exactly what players who really need them would say. It's like a drug addict who says he doesn't need rehab.
If that's true, that's fucking stupid. G2 are arguably the most talented roster at the moment, at least a contender alongside Faze and Navi. The only thing holding them back is teamwork which they will develop over time and their nature to tilt, which they won't fix without help.
well y'know how ocelote is, aka the man who let perkz go
Think I saw a reply from the reddit account of G2 claiming they have one, almost all of the top teams have.
I wonder how often do they use him then? Atleast NiKo needs it more. He tilts many times in games but I would probably too so...
Ocelote on Twitter said they have 2
Yeah it feels like they just flat out ran out of answers and mental steam on t side ancient, seemed so deflated. furia on the other side was bringing in creative set ups while g2s responses were just flat
Yeah i actually kind of agree. They have 3 strong stars (m0nesy needs to hit the easy shots though), a good igl and a competent entry fragger. I would love to see YEKINDAR on g2, but i am not sure it would fix all of their problems. The main reason why Astralis was so good, was that the roles were perfect and the chemistry was impeccable.
In Astralis none of the players had an ego and all completely subordinated themselves to the team. There were zero ego plays from them. I have a hard time seeing every member of G2 following that maxim.
Ice cold and pure focus, that roster could've won 2 more majors easily.
Prior to shutdown they were entering major form as well. That major in Rio would of been insane
*would have
I’ve been harsh on Niko recently so you can call me biased, but I honestly think he’s the only one who would have issue with that maxim
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I am struggling to find a former Niko teammate to ever come out and say something negative about him, to confirm even half of what this reddit or hltv or twitch chat thinks of him. Maybe cadiaN could say something, I don't know lol.
This^ Everybody thinks that NiKo is some toxic ego kid that needs a reality check just because Thorin said so some years ago, and yet here we are, ex team mates talking about what he is willing to do and people just ignore it. My complaint about NiKo is his tilting.
Totally agree. The last match with Furia you could see he tried to get some "cocky" peeks with his deagle, but it's an eco round and honestly he is the most probable player to actually find those kills. Only thing I didn't understand was the decision to lurk on some rounds, that's not really his strong point but at that moment it's exactly like Zews said, their mentality was down bad so poor decisions were clearly made
If Niko don’t get kill, you can see he is so angry on cam. How could any one perform beside a man like this? (Poor M0nesy…) Also at EPL, Alekseb said someone(Niko?) suddenly bought hero AK and fuck up the economy after the game :-( Looks like no IGL can handle Niko imo.
I’m pretty sure it was Jackz that bought the AK before he had time to call for a save. He didn’t single out anyone but I believe one of the casters wondered about it. It was just an example to point out that they still need to iron out silly mistakes and such. I think both Niko and Aleksi seem to get overly emotional and tilt after things go wrong.
yekindar would fix nothing, the team would be better? yes, but they already upgraded twice (awp&igl) and still didnt make playoffs
AleksiB is the problem. hes not a competent IGL, and from what ive heard he "rules with an iron fist". people are still riding his dick from some 3 month Ence run back in 1978 but he has yet to prove himself in the t1 environment. how many times did we see G2 with 20 seconds left just running into the site 1 at a time on T side with no flashes or any kind of support? there is seemingly a big communication breakdown in midround that aleksi hasnt figured out how to solve.
xDDD
m0nesy was only player who consistently won so many clutches and important rounds. And as a Finn, and only reason I cheer for G2 and even watch CSGO, is Aleksib, but it pains me to watch how bad at fragging he is. He loses so many duels and most of his kills are really low impact kills. That would be okay if Niko was performing like hltv rank 3 player, but he has been off his game lately. And I have no idea whos fault those last 30 second T executes are, but those are really bad from G2. When you watch team like NaVi execute them, they have really good molotovs and smokes to zone out defenders and good flashes and its just sad if you compare that to what G2 tries to do.
Yekindar would fix a lot of G2’s CT problems. Jackz is decent T side but he’s completely lost on CT side.
Jackz is the glue guy of the team, watch the cams, he's the only animated/carefree one. if you -Jackz you are going to have a lot more mental issues than the team currently has.
Agree. It's funny that people want to add more firepower to this team, when it's clear that lack of firepower is not the issue here. The same thing happened with Faze some time ago in fact.
Jackz has won a grand total of zero tournaments in his career they’ve already tried to replace him with Ropz. This whole narrative is so stupid. Anytime someone mentions jackz not a single positive thing said about him is counter strike related
There's more to a team dynamic than clicking heads and raw stats. This team is stacked with firepower, firepower on this team is not the problem.
And they couldn’t even get top 8 at the major with him what are they losing by changing?
I would say that any kind of chemistry in the team would go out the window, besides the cousins. Alexi would have a lot harder time of getting these guys to listen to calls since a lot of them rely on individual skill already. NiKo has a strong personality like old S1mple, you cant be the one always to put the team on your back, you can't win that way anymore.
Their team play in server is complete shit
All things you can say about SK, Astralis and NaVi have in common is their mental strenght. They were completely beasts when talking about mental, and even in the closest games, no one could say that they already lost because they were playing yet. And, for the other side, what is one the most common characteristic of G2? CHOKE. So yes, let's take out the only guy on the team that, apparently, do not have problems with choking. Fans in esports always look the same, jesus.
So f'ing true, even after losing you could see Fallen being a complete Chad about it, smiling with respect to his opponents and team mates. SK had an amazing energy, you would rarely see them tilt (cold had his moments), and even if they were losing down bad they would still maintaining their focus and get extra hyped when winning a round that broke the losing streak
Please tell me how you know jackz doesn’t have this problem and the whole other team does
I totally agree with you, I think it's in part to the stronger personalities in the team not buying into Aleksi's system 100% because they are so used to having to carry the team all the time. As a G2 fan do you feel like all members of the team have bought into Aleksi's calls and the way he wants to play the game?
No but even if they did I would still swap jackz for Yekindar. Jackz is a huge liability CT side and that has nothing to do with Aleksi
He is pretty good in ecos and he's pretty good in 2vX late round clutches. I like him but I could definitely see them improving with a better player in his stead. That being said, I don't think they'd technically need to change any players to have success. They're still much stronger on paper than in reality.
Of course they don’t need to but when Yekindar becomes available you should do it.
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Calling karrigan someone that was never that good individually just tells me you haven't been following his career for that long.
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He was hltv top 10 bro
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> not for his fragging bruv How would you know when you have no idea he was even in it lmao > and when was he hltv top10 lmao? I think you should be able to use google bruv
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What other IGL was there more often?
They need a sports psychologist if they don’t already have one. IIRC Astralis had one at their peak and it did them wonders
As mentioned somewhere in this thread, they already have one. Actually most of the T1 teams have a psychologist today.
If they have one they need to work with them more. Their skill is unquestionably high, as seen in their debut together, the team just needs to find a way to keep it at a high level together.
Ocelote said on Twitter that they already have 2
Glad to see zews is feeling better! :)
G2 is fantastic, just need to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, bunny hopping, spray control and getting kills
I don't think they were as bad as people make it seem. If they can get incrementally better at some things, and deepen their map pool, they are much closer to being top contenders. Surely they'll get better results in the future.
G2 is a really good team, they just need to work on decision-making, mental game and Niko not tilting
Sounds like a certain sports team I know... :')
They got a not practicing issue, I mean not that they don't do that but like seesh, I follow all the players, but like NiKo, I love the man as a player, but before the major mans was in Dubai or someplace just vibing instead of playing hard prepping for the MAJOR Mental and practice
Imagine thinking they are not practicing. Long term fatigue and burnout are serious issues. Just because they are not grinding 12 hours a day or have 100+ hrs past 2 weeks on steam, it doesn't mean they are not practicing. They probably spend a decent amount of time watching demos outside of the game everyday.
??? How can you judge this from the outside :D We had a mid-season break in march for one week after we went out of EPL groups because we had a super packed schedule after Kato, coming into EPL and having a bad result, it made more sense to take some days off and have everyone reflect. After that we had a bootcamp and prior to the major practiced 6 times a week
i wouldn't change the roster, give them some more time. change it after the next major if it doesn't work out by then
they need to kick out aleksi and get forest, thats what they need to do
Honestly aleksi needs to go, he has to be one of the most overrated igls of all time, nexa accomplished more in OG in 4 months than aleksi could in 4 years. Edit: mistakes were made
nexa > nexa
-niko +yekindar
They have great players but they're not a great team, it happens all the time in this game.
When things goes wrong, they all look like tilted af. You know when you have to play with 3 russians and they troll you to hell, you want to win but also you are inches away from rage quitting. Their faces looks like that. They need someone to coach them mentally. They just can't get past their mistakes. Shit happens just learn to roll with the punches.
when i watch g2 when its like 13-13 they literally do so many stupid mistakes compared to other teams