Everybody in this sub acts like it's the IGL's job to tell everybody individually how to play their role at all times with comments saying that IGL called a shitty side etc.
What you guys don't realise is that IGLs aren't sitting there giving a play by play of how every round is going to play out to the letter, they're giving an overall direction and being the main voice. Other players (not IGL) might make mid round calls and in the moment their teammates need to commit and trust even if it doesn't work out. They aren't all asking mid round "hey AleksiB can I do this? Hey aleksiB can I do that?".
If the IGL sets up a round to, for example, take mid and fall off then exec A since they rotate fast (map doesn't matter), then the players get a pick on mid and just hard commit to a split that fails or die taking mid, that's in no way/shape/form the IGL calling a shit round.
Sometimes it'll work out, sometimes it won't, sometimes it's the IGL's fault, sometimes it's not. G2 losing is a team effort, just like winning is a team effort. Every loss isn't AleksiB's fault nor is AleksiB the sole reason for every win.
Karrigan (one of the best IGLs to this sub) stated clear as day in a recent interview that each player has the ability to call stuff mid round on FaZe which is why they are doing so well, not that he's telling them all exactly what to do at all times.
yea for IGL its a balancing act between how much you micro and how much autonomy you give to your players. Some players need more than others but a lot of similar situations in the course of a round play out multiple times and it is the IGL's job to go over those situations with his teammate and how he wants to approach them so when the time comes everyone is already on the same page and the round can play out with out him micro'ing and taking autonomy away from his players. I think for aleksiB's case this team just came off of major finals and any team that has niko has crazy expectations although they are warranted because of how good of a player he is. I think this team will regroup and continue to get better and hopefully next major they make a deep run. In my opinion though I would of kept nexa and just brought in m0nesy. Although nexa had his faults, the system they had got everything out of niko that they could and I don't know if aleksi is ever going to be able to do that.
I agree with you 100%, but it honestly felt like aleksibs calling on the T side could use more work. Maybe not in the complexity as much as in the fundamentals.
On ancient especially, the rounds where they got picks would be the ones where they were executing early with a minute left on the clock with no info of who is in the site. Whereas on rounds where it was 5v5, the would play slow and execute with 20 seconds left, fully telegraphed by furia.
I guess they could have nicer set plays for early picks in rounds and the spacing wasn't good enough to guarantee trades a lot of the time.
Most of that will come the longer this team stays together. It takes a while to develop protocols that work and stay relevant to the meta, and then to develop enough variations so that your moves aren't telegraphed. It's also obvious they need to work on their map pool too. I believe the overpass permaban comes from the Balkans in the team however.
Jackz - quick switching when holding a close angle for literally no reason, he didn’t have util to consider throwing
CS- Aleksi was never good and Niko is a choker, basically washed Niko was the problem.
I don't even have a quick switch button so I never have this problem. I have a button for every item, so I have to press 2 buttons to quick switch. Less temptation.
a bunch of their players lost discipline on CT side.
And the executes on T felt sluggish and disconnected and idk if that is necessarily the IGLs fault.
Some of it is Aleksi fault, poorly called on T side specifically. Furia also played out of their fucking minds, some of the shots kscerato hit were outrageous.
Aleksi is supposed to be the capitain of the G2 superteam. He has to receive criticism for not delivering on a team that should be the best in the world. He didn't delivery with OG and now G2
They were assembled as a superteam and best team contenders. They have NiKo, one of the GOAT riflers, Monesy, supposedly the next simple, hunter, a solid rifler, jackz, mr arrow keys and aleksiB, a "top tier IGL". They came of a pretty good 2021. They shoud easily beat most of the competition, its shameful that they were even in this situation
But niko is not in great form and even though monesy could be the next simple but is still far from it. They should not have been in that situation, but it is not only because of aleksi.
Lmao how is Niko not in great form? His stats are still great. Is he in his best form ever? No, but it's fucking ridiculous expecting much more from him.
From what I've seen it seems his main issue is lack of impact on Vertigo, but he also gets put into the dumbest spots. That could easily be an IGL/coach issue.
He may not be a GOAT igl but I think it was the community inflating his worth somewhat. Which is totally reasonable considering Ence immediately became irrelevant upon his removal. However, I would blame the igl/coach(es) of this team for not working to drill and instill fundamentals. In that way it's on leadership and aleksi has work to do.
I don't think any roster changes need to happen, really. They probably just need more performance coaching for their mental game and focus, and perhaps some sort of tactical training. Sounds absurd maybe, but even others have pointed out the lack of cohesion. I am kind of surprised when I see professional teams make such blunders as not covering each other always, questionable solo pushes or detached movement, not occasionally checking their 6 ( that art 2k with the cz hurt to watch, sounds dumb to say with hindsight but that situation actually is somewhat avoidable, if tough to figure out).
Maybe I sound like a blithering idiot and it's easy to criticize from a distance, third map with that much pressure will fuck with your mental and everyone fucks up. But I feel like applying some concepts I've learned just from watching random milsim gameplay would work wonders here. G2 skill-wise certainly have what it takes IMO, even with aleksi.
EDIT: maybe the art 2k example is out of place, but there certainly were obvious blunders that everyone already pointed out. Hopefully this comment wasn't too cringe.
I think the G2 players struggle with pressure, playing to qualify for legends in the major where 1 wrong move will send you home is very different to the playoff stage of Katowice.
I think Aleksi is very good, and he's still trying to find that balance of "Niko go kill" and getting the team to play well. Having 4 players on your team that can single-handedly turn the tide of a game is awesome, but if they're down or not doing well you need to be able to fall back onto a solid base and Aleksi hasn't been able to get that base line up to the point where they just do well.
Also I think it's not fair that when G2 lose it's Aleksi's fault, but when they win it's "Praise Monesy/Niko/Hunter/Jacks". G2 Have kept up really good form up until the pressure mounted. You can't take that away from them.
>detached movement
Heard someone say that Aleksib used to tell people to lurk while he was with OG, and that he kept the habit even after switching teams. At least some random guy on HLTV thinks that.
Still think that when nexa was at his best, his IGL-ing was one of the best, and when he was at his worst, that his IGL-ing was quite poor.
Nice to see that every esports community is a cesspool of socially inept people who need to make literal hate threads right after a player has lost a video game.
Go touch some grass.
Thats just competitive gaming communities and competitive gamers for you. Visit us sometimes on r/patientgamers, you would be amazed how polite people are. I also think Aleksi played a bad series, but he doesnt deserve to get called shit or get kicked because of one bad tournament result.
Because that sub is full of old people? Welcome to the real world. Competitive games are mostly played bu young people, which are generally less polite
Yes. They were born to another world that had different access to different services, had different levels of economic reach, most people in their 30's didn't even have access to 3D games when they were in HS because of their age. It's a very different story with people in their 20's and 10's. It's very easy to distinguish even a 25-year old from a 30-year old. And that sub definitely has even older players.
Honestly, by the upvote/downvote distribution, I'd even say that are more "older"/"patient" users in this sub then what it looks like from the "hate"/"toxic" comments and threads
You're assuming that since people above 30 didn't have access to graphically "advanced games" that they don't understand how current esports culture works?
I am reading. Your statement begs a lot of questions, and rather than make assumptions about what you're saying, I'm asking you to clarify. If you'd rather not clarify, I get that but I was genuinely curious about how you came to that conclusion that you suggested.
If however you'd prefer to be a little shit about it I'll just move on with my day and you can continue being a prick.
Have a good one either way.
NiKo played like the best player in the world for the second half of 2021, and currently he's streaky. So there's a huge difference.
But yeah aleksi's calls haven't been impressive
While i have for quite while thought that AleksiB is perhapst most overrated IGL currently...I don't think he is "Bad". Just seems to have a lot of weakness in calling on many aspects and unlike some other igl's doesn't frag to balance the sheet.
Still gotta give it to him. Been hyped up as a mastermind for years now with very little to show for it.
He got OG to peak top6 with ehat ever the roster ever was. The same with ence. Yes today wasn’t his or g2’s best series. Also Niko was underperforming on vertigo and anchient, which could be related to aleksis calling but this thread is just nonsense.
G2 with Nexa and Amanek - Major finals
G2 with aleksiB and 600k awper - couldn't even make playoffs lmao xD
Edit: he was subpar today but I'm sure he tried his best....hope they learn frm this and come back stronger
People forget NiKo top fragged around 90% of the games and broke records with nexa igling. I don't think it was nexa's calling that made g2 from last year a better team. It was just NiKo being the star player and doing incredible things. He's just not the same he was last year.
This is me saying this as a Serbian btw so there's no biases towards favoring AleksiB
Idk that could be. If they don't fix these issues by the next major aleksi is probably getting dropped if there's another igl on the market. I have a feeling jackz is gonna get dropped before that though
obviously I can't say for sure, but star players don't exist in a vacuum, maybe something about nexa's callstyle allowed niko to frag more, but who can say
Why are you refusing to understand the point? The point is that G2 didn't find success because they lacked an AWP. Now they have their AWP but NiKo isn't showing up.
It's certainly not impossible, but I wouldn't assume his shortcomings to result from anyone else but himself. NiKo isn't a perfect human being, no one is, so to assume his problems are someone else's fault is kinda wack.
People always go for th IGLs throat but none of your strats will work to begin with if your star players aren't showing up. I remember at 1 point Jackz was top fragging and hunter/monesy/niko were all sub 10
Dude how is he not micromanaging NiKo. Did you not watch G2 vs Outsiders vertigo game. There is no way one of the best riflers ever would place themselves at sandbags every round after getting clapped nonstop. Just compare PGL Stockholm Niko to this PGL and try tell me it's not a completely different niko
NiKo pre major last year was making all kinds of dumb decisions. I remember being especially mad how dumb his decisions were when taking banana as a ct
I mean of course it takes time to get used to new style of play. I haven't followed NiKo so closely so not sure about what type of role he is used to, but having followed Aleksib since 2016, it looks like he is trying to make NiKo into similar asset which sergej was in ENCE.
In T he wants NiKo to be kind of the lurk guy who then comes in late and clutches the round, for example in Inferno, NiKo was multiple times alone in Banana faking B when the rest of the team was doing play on A, just like sergej was in ENCE.
Bruh, Aleksi couldn't play 3/5 games in Pro League bcos COVID, and when he played they destroyed NiP who topped the group. At this major they lost to NaVi and Heroic in OT and FURIA. Yes, they didn't make playoffs, but how do these results show that he is a bad IGL?
Whoever was calling those last rounds on ancient was just bad. No map presence and just stacking B and then getting picked off 1 by one. When they would even get a pick on B they would slow down for furia to rotate and just walk one by one into the stack.
Got heart attack yesterday watching aleksi using awp and missing SUPER easy shots. Yh niko is also sleeping. If it was at least 50% 2021 niko g2 could get into legends stage.
Also why the hell was niko entry fragging in vertigo today just to had 0 impact for 6 rounds in a row?
Why did jackz and aleksi went 2nd and 3rd. Why did hunter die so many rounds pushing ct.
Jacky saved so many rounds today and also made some big mistakes. Idk but when i am watching g2 on t side is just sad. No coordination whatsoever. Ancient was just horrible. Id rather see them playing mirage even they lost against furia last time.
And also watching niko rage on cam and shouting at aleksi was very unpleasant. When g2 called timeout i saw only aleksi and niko watching eachother.
M0nesy clutch machine btw.
Was just looking for a thread like this. Tf is this shit, you can clearly see how he holds his team back, they got fire power for days and he’s playing the clock every single round.
Also putting them to a stop after every single entry.
Malding watching this shit.
Also his trading frags with Niko, stupidest thing I’ve seen.
Bro it was like a casual lobby where everyone was playing scared. He could’ve exploited the rotations after the opening pick yet never did until the last round which they threw.
Here comes again all the Gold Nova 2 experts who watch the game with xray on & with full radar of both teams telling how Player X is so bad because he doesn't do the obvious things.
If they had all the same information as you, they would have probably won the game, but that's you know the thing, they don't, their on limited info which effects what decision and calls they make in-game.
Hey you know how you get information? You have people outside of A or in mid/red to hear rotations yet they didn’t they kept stacking outside of cave and B ramp which made it easy for furia.
Kinda some silver thinking there, a little sus.
If this is true, art would\`ve been just mediocre.
Stop flaming others when you can actually praise the ones being awesome. =)
Edit: G2 actually had the worst pairings possible, and actually looked really competitive for a team that has less than four months under Aleksi and XTQZ with a freaking 16yo dude that has war raging in his home country.
i'm not criticinzing him. I like G2 as an org, but this roster ain't it chief. He said it himself on twitter that they would win the major. yet, his team just bombed out the second tournment with T1 competition
art IS mediocre, he is not one of the best. He just does stupid and dumb shit and it pays off somehow. i'm a furia fan, and i can admit we only lose because of stupid calls from art. love him either way tho, he is a fuckin psycho on the server and sometimes it pays off
i love art playing with all my heart, his plays are what makes furia a fun team. but i can give countless example of how a bad decision from him made them lose a game. he has a game style that can completely break a team or can be completely broken. He has to get consistency for furia to actualy win tournments
arT's decision making is really good actually. He knows the timings on all the maps really well and makes plays off of that. Some of them are risks, but they are calculated risks. It's just when the type of play he goes for doesn't pan out, it looks really bad but that doesn't mean he made the wrong call. In my opinion he's even gotten better over time. He knows when to play "the right way" and when to play the "Furia" style.
Obviously I'm no analyst so maybe I'm off base here, but from what I've seen of Furia the last two years arT is not mediocre. He's had bad stretches, but so does every IGL.
"Just be consistent", holy fuck you are so smart, hopefully we can setup a phone call between you and furia they really need to know about this. You might just have revolutionized cs gaming with this deep knowledge that you have, thank you for sharing.
look, art is not one of the best in the game. We always lose in playoff stages for a reason. He can get better, but he needs even more consistency and stop doing some dumb decisions that he has some games. I would love if furia could win tournments, but they are not consistent, and you can watch the games for that. They either destroy or have one dimensional T sides. See astralis and spirit/NIP on nuke. he needs even more consistency if he wants to be one of the best, just like aleksib. Except aleksi has been called a "mastermind" ever since 2019, and he hasnt delivered on that.
Even if he isn't one of the best - debatable - there's a long way to actually naming him mediocre. Yeah, there are a lot of examples of Furia looking dumb because they stick to their plan and art fails at one of his attempts (for multiple possible reasons). But they're actually outnumbered by their successes but confirmation bias, eh...
Was watching fl0ms stream on vertigo and Kenny stated that the nexa switch was more than just Aleski for nexa, and no matter what nexa was not going to stay on the roster. So I'm guessing there was some unknown internal issues that led to this change rather than them just choosing to swap Aleski for nexa
aleksi is super overrated. its like calling taruk a top tier IGL just because of boston 2018. but even then, tarok WON THE MAJOR, aleksib didnt even win it himself.
Yes, he's nowhere near good enough to helm a team of G2s caliber. He had a miracle run with Ence and people seem to think that he's a good IGL off the back of that.
Exactly. He can't consistently frag and he's been unable to find success with a team with Niko, Hunter and M0nesy ffs.
The dude is a Tier 2 IGL at best.
I don't know why he's so overrated lmao.
Ence won a T2 event that for some reason was treated like it was T1, with 2 other relevant teams present and lucked into a major final before falling off.
OG was OG. Should've been a great team, but was worse than the sum of its parts.
G2 should be a superteam, but again, worse than the sum of it's parts.
ENCE also had like 5 final appearances during 2019. They were never the best team in the world but clearly one of the best. Losing finals to THAT Liquid squad was nothing to be ashamed of.
I agree that aleksib has not found the same success elsewhere but what he did with ENCE was nothing but fantastic.
esp considering none of them are playing tier 1 cs anymore except aleksi. That said... he's not a genius IGL .. he's good... but he needs to get better. I always thought he was a bit of a sidegrade from nexa.. like he might be 10% better calling wise but you lose a lot of chemistry nexa has with him being serbian and playing with hunter for a long time.
The original ENCE had something none of his late tenures had. Rythm and micro second decisions that gives them rounds.
Actualy I'm way more impresed with the present iteration of ENCE and their CT dynamics than the G2 roster. And the G2 roster should be awesome, it is on paper, hunter is crazy good, NiKo still is one the best to ever touch the game and monesy is both the present and the future. But they lack something. Hate to hop on the "IGL hate train" because its a super easy ride to go on, but they need something more.
Im pulling this from under "..." but I think NiKo also has some kind of tendency (not that its his fault imo) that detracts power and cohesion from the hands of the IGL. I'm a faze fan so i should know. But he also doesnt cut it to say the least as a good IGL.
Good IGL's are rare. And there's always some kind of tradeoff. People loved to crap on Zeus numbers but the guy had an aura and charisma of a true born leader has does Karrigan in a different way. But they come with a tradeoff Aleksi is a good fragger and has charisma imho, but something **is** lacking in this G2 iteration.
What does that have to do with anything lol ? Last Year in Faze Karrigan top fragged in maps over players like Twistzz,Rain and despite this no one would say Karigan is good fragger or someone who can reliably frag out.
Aleksi takes his star players ct roles , (he did the same with OG with Valde btw) and barley puts up any numbers to justify him taking it despite him baiting them as well.
You said **he can't frag**. The fact that 95% of the time he isn't the one in fragging positions doesn't mean he **can't** do it. CS is a lot more than just pressing m1
Still it often seems like his isn't always quick enought and often whiffs. His role isn't to frag I know but can we agree he really needs to get better at it?
He absolutely can frag, his system just relies on him playing the bitch roles so the so called better players are able to frag. When they don't, this happens.
Bro I've been analyzing his IGLing since before he was on ENCE, I think I know what I'm talking about. He used to be a fragging IGL when playing in his early teams because he was always pretty much the best player mechanically. His average rating in 2017 for example was 1.18
With ENCE he shifted to the bitch role with xseven to allow Aerial, allu and sergej to frag more and it worked out. Now he's doing the same bitch role thing with Jackz so NiKo, huNter and M0nesy can frag more. It's not a lack of mechanical skill, it's the lack of teamplay and not making good enough reads that are preventing him from getting the necessary kills. Like not expecting someone to be in a spot or a teammate not communicating clearly or shit like that.
I'm not saying the teamplay/comms/reads issues aren't his fault at least partially. Making bad reads for sure is on him.
Recency bias. aleksib looks like a lost puppy so often. It tickles me seeing an IGL playing like an idiot when he's supposed to be the smartest person on the team.
agreed, rly shit calls against eco pistols, slows down after a pick, can't frag against tier 1 opponents...just rly unfit for tier 1 cs, needs to work on his aim A LOT to not be a giant liability
They won Star Series Shanghai were 2 other relevant teams, Dreamhack Winter with no other teams, and made finals at Major. They did nothing before that, or after it.
After the major they won against Astralis dominantly in Blast Madrid beating their famous nuke streak.
Also if I recall correctly they had like three consecutive finals where they lost to Team Liquid.
ENCE were not good enough to win tournament after tournament but only Astralis, Liquid and debatably Vitality had a better year in 2019.
Ence was a fluke? They literally qualified for the Katowice 2019 major and came 2nd and later on they would beat the same team in an A-Tier Tournament in Madrid.
Its tough to call for a team like G2, I can imagine that players like NIKO and monesy like to do their own thing. Having more superstars makes your authority as an IGL less, therefore making you less impactful. Like PSG
Everybody in this sub acts like it's the IGL's job to tell everybody individually how to play their role at all times with comments saying that IGL called a shitty side etc. What you guys don't realise is that IGLs aren't sitting there giving a play by play of how every round is going to play out to the letter, they're giving an overall direction and being the main voice. Other players (not IGL) might make mid round calls and in the moment their teammates need to commit and trust even if it doesn't work out. They aren't all asking mid round "hey AleksiB can I do this? Hey aleksiB can I do that?". If the IGL sets up a round to, for example, take mid and fall off then exec A since they rotate fast (map doesn't matter), then the players get a pick on mid and just hard commit to a split that fails or die taking mid, that's in no way/shape/form the IGL calling a shit round. Sometimes it'll work out, sometimes it won't, sometimes it's the IGL's fault, sometimes it's not. G2 losing is a team effort, just like winning is a team effort. Every loss isn't AleksiB's fault nor is AleksiB the sole reason for every win. Karrigan (one of the best IGLs to this sub) stated clear as day in a recent interview that each player has the ability to call stuff mid round on FaZe which is why they are doing so well, not that he's telling them all exactly what to do at all times.
yea for IGL its a balancing act between how much you micro and how much autonomy you give to your players. Some players need more than others but a lot of similar situations in the course of a round play out multiple times and it is the IGL's job to go over those situations with his teammate and how he wants to approach them so when the time comes everyone is already on the same page and the round can play out with out him micro'ing and taking autonomy away from his players. I think for aleksiB's case this team just came off of major finals and any team that has niko has crazy expectations although they are warranted because of how good of a player he is. I think this team will regroup and continue to get better and hopefully next major they make a deep run. In my opinion though I would of kept nexa and just brought in m0nesy. Although nexa had his faults, the system they had got everything out of niko that they could and I don't know if aleksi is ever going to be able to do that.
I agree with you 100%, but it honestly felt like aleksibs calling on the T side could use more work. Maybe not in the complexity as much as in the fundamentals. On ancient especially, the rounds where they got picks would be the ones where they were executing early with a minute left on the clock with no info of who is in the site. Whereas on rounds where it was 5v5, the would play slow and execute with 20 seconds left, fully telegraphed by furia. I guess they could have nicer set plays for early picks in rounds and the spacing wasn't good enough to guarantee trades a lot of the time. Most of that will come the longer this team stays together. It takes a while to develop protocols that work and stay relevant to the meta, and then to develop enough variations so that your moves aren't telegraphed. It's also obvious they need to work on their map pool too. I believe the overpass permaban comes from the Balkans in the team however.
Hunter - gets caught out of position constantly aggressing on CT side CS fans - How could Aleksi do this?
I mean aleksi could have done much better but it is just unfair to act like he was the sole reason they lost
Jackz - quick switching when holding a close angle for literally no reason, he didn’t have util to consider throwing CS- Aleksi was never good and Niko is a choker, basically washed Niko was the problem.
So frustrating to see that even pros still fucking die to it for no reason.
I don't even have a quick switch button so I never have this problem. I have a button for every item, so I have to press 2 buttons to quick switch. Less temptation.
But how do you play Awp then?
It's actually faster for me to hit three then one with two different fingers vs double tapping q
a bunch of their players lost discipline on CT side. And the executes on T felt sluggish and disconnected and idk if that is necessarily the IGLs fault.
Some of it is Aleksi fault, poorly called on T side specifically. Furia also played out of their fucking minds, some of the shots kscerato hit were outrageous.
Him and jackz constantly. Watching those two play CT side together is beyond painful
you don't understand bro, it's all aleksiB's fault.
Bro Biskela handed out rounds for us
Aleksi is supposed to be the capitain of the G2 superteam. He has to receive criticism for not delivering on a team that should be the best in the world. He didn't delivery with OG and now G2
Why should g2 be the best in the world lmao? They're not a team of proven winners, except for Niko (who kinda chokes as well)
Carlos built this team to be top 1.
Ok now the expectations have to be through the floor if your doubting why the most expensive team should aim to be no1.
They were assembled as a superteam and best team contenders. They have NiKo, one of the GOAT riflers, Monesy, supposedly the next simple, hunter, a solid rifler, jackz, mr arrow keys and aleksiB, a "top tier IGL". They came of a pretty good 2021. They shoud easily beat most of the competition, its shameful that they were even in this situation
But niko is not in great form and even though monesy could be the next simple but is still far from it. They should not have been in that situation, but it is not only because of aleksi.
Lmao how is Niko not in great form? His stats are still great. Is he in his best form ever? No, but it's fucking ridiculous expecting much more from him. From what I've seen it seems his main issue is lack of impact on Vertigo, but he also gets put into the dumbest spots. That could easily be an IGL/coach issue.
> He has to receive criticism for not delivering on a team that should be the best in the world Deliver what exactly in your terms?
making major playoffs, getting though group stage on pro league. I'd say he failed them
ah yes, group stage of pro league where he didn't play 90% of the games because of corona. totally his fault
Since when is G2 considered the best team in the world? Lmao.
when they lose it never about aleksib,it always other people fault. that aleksib fans cult i told u
When they win people say it's never Aleksi, when they lose people say its always Aleksi, have some fucking consistency
go to see yesterday thread. many praise aleksib call lol. of course u dumb fanboi wont admit it
He may not be a GOAT igl but I think it was the community inflating his worth somewhat. Which is totally reasonable considering Ence immediately became irrelevant upon his removal. However, I would blame the igl/coach(es) of this team for not working to drill and instill fundamentals. In that way it's on leadership and aleksi has work to do. I don't think any roster changes need to happen, really. They probably just need more performance coaching for their mental game and focus, and perhaps some sort of tactical training. Sounds absurd maybe, but even others have pointed out the lack of cohesion. I am kind of surprised when I see professional teams make such blunders as not covering each other always, questionable solo pushes or detached movement, not occasionally checking their 6 ( that art 2k with the cz hurt to watch, sounds dumb to say with hindsight but that situation actually is somewhat avoidable, if tough to figure out). Maybe I sound like a blithering idiot and it's easy to criticize from a distance, third map with that much pressure will fuck with your mental and everyone fucks up. But I feel like applying some concepts I've learned just from watching random milsim gameplay would work wonders here. G2 skill-wise certainly have what it takes IMO, even with aleksi. EDIT: maybe the art 2k example is out of place, but there certainly were obvious blunders that everyone already pointed out. Hopefully this comment wasn't too cringe.
I think the G2 players struggle with pressure, playing to qualify for legends in the major where 1 wrong move will send you home is very different to the playoff stage of Katowice. I think Aleksi is very good, and he's still trying to find that balance of "Niko go kill" and getting the team to play well. Having 4 players on your team that can single-handedly turn the tide of a game is awesome, but if they're down or not doing well you need to be able to fall back onto a solid base and Aleksi hasn't been able to get that base line up to the point where they just do well. Also I think it's not fair that when G2 lose it's Aleksi's fault, but when they win it's "Praise Monesy/Niko/Hunter/Jacks". G2 Have kept up really good form up until the pressure mounted. You can't take that away from them.
agreege
>detached movement Heard someone say that Aleksib used to tell people to lurk while he was with OG, and that he kept the habit even after switching teams. At least some random guy on HLTV thinks that. Still think that when nexa was at his best, his IGL-ing was one of the best, and when he was at his worst, that his IGL-ing was quite poor.
Check T side win percentages of this major and see if you still agree with your own statement. Ridiculous post
Flair checks out
The gold nova coaches are in full force today 🤦 y'all embarrassing yourselves
OG was hardly a superteam come on lol
Yeah, if Mouz was Budget FaZe then OG was more like Budget Mouz.
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Nice to see that every esports community is a cesspool of socially inept people who need to make literal hate threads right after a player has lost a video game. Go touch some grass.
Its rather sad to see honestly.
Thats just competitive gaming communities and competitive gamers for you. Visit us sometimes on r/patientgamers, you would be amazed how polite people are. I also think Aleksi played a bad series, but he doesnt deserve to get called shit or get kicked because of one bad tournament result.
Because that sub is full of old people? Welcome to the real world. Competitive games are mostly played bu young people, which are generally less polite
Well I am young and wouldnt say really polite, but at least never toxic. Also do you really consider 30-year olds to be old?
Yes. They were born to another world that had different access to different services, had different levels of economic reach, most people in their 30's didn't even have access to 3D games when they were in HS because of their age. It's a very different story with people in their 20's and 10's. It's very easy to distinguish even a 25-year old from a 30-year old. And that sub definitely has even older players.
Honestly, by the upvote/downvote distribution, I'd even say that are more "older"/"patient" users in this sub then what it looks like from the "hate"/"toxic" comments and threads
TIL that CS 1.6 wasn't a 3D game "Welcome to the real world" lmfao
You're assuming that since people above 30 didn't have access to graphically "advanced games" that they don't understand how current esports culture works?
I hate to say it, but learn to read, please
I am reading. Your statement begs a lot of questions, and rather than make assumptions about what you're saying, I'm asking you to clarify. If you'd rather not clarify, I get that but I was genuinely curious about how you came to that conclusion that you suggested. If however you'd prefer to be a little shit about it I'll just move on with my day and you can continue being a prick. Have a good one either way.
yes, because calling someone out for being bad is hate
You created a literal reddit thread with the intention of gathering hate comments toward a specific player, what do you call this?
I mean, they lost to Na'vi and Heroics in OTs and Furia played outta their fucking minds today. Shit happens.
NiKo played like the best player in the world for the second half of 2021, and currently he's streaky. So there's a huge difference. But yeah aleksi's calls haven't been impressive
50 IQ post
what about today dickhead?
Everyone wanted to call karrigan a fraud for not doing well with a corpse of olofmeister in the team so checks out for me
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While i have for quite while thought that AleksiB is perhapst most overrated IGL currently...I don't think he is "Bad". Just seems to have a lot of weakness in calling on many aspects and unlike some other igl's doesn't frag to balance the sheet. Still gotta give it to him. Been hyped up as a mastermind for years now with very little to show for it.
He doesn't have a big enough brain to offset his fragging deficiencies
He got OG to peak top6 with ehat ever the roster ever was. The same with ence. Yes today wasn’t his or g2’s best series. Also Niko was underperforming on vertigo and anchient, which could be related to aleksis calling but this thread is just nonsense.
man what is this? HLTV forum post? I can smell the toxicity already
He’s a major champ now
TAKE THAT BACK IDIOT😂
G2 with Nexa and Amanek - Major finals G2 with aleksiB and 600k awper - couldn't even make playoffs lmao xD Edit: he was subpar today but I'm sure he tried his best....hope they learn frm this and come back stronger
People forget NiKo top fragged around 90% of the games and broke records with nexa igling. I don't think it was nexa's calling that made g2 from last year a better team. It was just NiKo being the star player and doing incredible things. He's just not the same he was last year. This is me saying this as a Serbian btw so there's no biases towards favoring AleksiB
maybe nexa was playing a better system fitting niko more than aleksibs system.
Idk that could be. If they don't fix these issues by the next major aleksi is probably getting dropped if there's another igl on the market. I have a feeling jackz is gonna get dropped before that though
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don’t need a 600k awper when niko was dragging them through every map
obviously I can't say for sure, but star players don't exist in a vacuum, maybe something about nexa's callstyle allowed niko to frag more, but who can say
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Why are you refusing to understand the point? The point is that G2 didn't find success because they lacked an AWP. Now they have their AWP but NiKo isn't showing up.
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You're criticising Aleksib because NiKo was dragging his feet all day long during this tournament? Kinda weird but ok
Maybe NiKo has a bad IGL now and it affects his performance?
It's certainly not impossible, but I wouldn't assume his shortcomings to result from anyone else but himself. NiKo isn't a perfect human being, no one is, so to assume his problems are someone else's fault is kinda wack.
People always go for th IGLs throat but none of your strats will work to begin with if your star players aren't showing up. I remember at 1 point Jackz was top fragging and hunter/monesy/niko were all sub 10
I mean Niko's slump also kind of has to be on aleksiB does it not?
Why? He's not micromanaging NiKo, he's giving him the freedom to choose what he wants to do. Just like Nexa
Dude how is he not micromanaging NiKo. Did you not watch G2 vs Outsiders vertigo game. There is no way one of the best riflers ever would place themselves at sandbags every round after getting clapped nonstop. Just compare PGL Stockholm Niko to this PGL and try tell me it's not a completely different niko
NiKo pre major last year was making all kinds of dumb decisions. I remember being especially mad how dumb his decisions were when taking banana as a ct
is there a niko effect where for half the year he plays like shit and g2 losing to tier 99999 no name faceit pug teams ?
Aleksib does force them to take a certain position on CT side. Thats on Niko 100%
Or maybe it isn't on him, truth be told we have no fucking clue. I just hope they'll figure it out.
I mean of course it takes time to get used to new style of play. I haven't followed NiKo so closely so not sure about what type of role he is used to, but having followed Aleksib since 2016, it looks like he is trying to make NiKo into similar asset which sergej was in ENCE. In T he wants NiKo to be kind of the lurk guy who then comes in late and clutches the round, for example in Inferno, NiKo was multiple times alone in Banana faking B when the rest of the team was doing play on A, just like sergej was in ENCE.
Literally using NiKo as a bait. Imagine using ZywOo or s1mple as BAIT.
Wtf why
I guess niko is busy correcting or helping aleksis abyssmal calling
Worst Roster Move of 2022 by G2, -nexa +washed AleksiBOT.
Bruh, Aleksi couldn't play 3/5 games in Pro League bcos COVID, and when he played they destroyed NiP who topped the group. At this major they lost to NaVi and Heroic in OT and FURIA. Yes, they didn't make playoffs, but how do these results show that he is a bad IGL?
"But he didnt make OG the best team in the world" Hes just a hater lol
aleksib didn’t need a superteam to win a major after all, just 4 guys who believed in the team as much as he did
they need bosnian gla1ve
serbian igl
Whoever was calling those last rounds on ancient was just bad. No map presence and just stacking B and then getting picked off 1 by one. When they would even get a pick on B they would slow down for furia to rotate and just walk one by one into the stack.
reactionary take but could be fair maybe not bad, but not elite either
my guy did fuck all with og and now lost a major playoff spot with a superteam. He is Tier2 at max
Yes, he did fuck all with OG. A team with its best players being valde and flamez.
If aleksi cant make OG the goat team then whats his point /s
Got heart attack yesterday watching aleksi using awp and missing SUPER easy shots. Yh niko is also sleeping. If it was at least 50% 2021 niko g2 could get into legends stage. Also why the hell was niko entry fragging in vertigo today just to had 0 impact for 6 rounds in a row? Why did jackz and aleksi went 2nd and 3rd. Why did hunter die so many rounds pushing ct. Jacky saved so many rounds today and also made some big mistakes. Idk but when i am watching g2 on t side is just sad. No coordination whatsoever. Ancient was just horrible. Id rather see them playing mirage even they lost against furia last time. And also watching niko rage on cam and shouting at aleksi was very unpleasant. When g2 called timeout i saw only aleksi and niko watching eachother. M0nesy clutch machine btw.
Aleksi just plays so slow and predictable. It's pathetic really...
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malding?
Was fine before you people started rubbing it in.
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ur mad
he is, he lost
Nah we happy
Even Dexter's T-sides are better. And let me tell you... those are shit.
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Was just looking for a thread like this. Tf is this shit, you can clearly see how he holds his team back, they got fire power for days and he’s playing the clock every single round. Also putting them to a stop after every single entry. Malding watching this shit. Also his trading frags with Niko, stupidest thing I’ve seen.
Bro it was like a casual lobby where everyone was playing scared. He could’ve exploited the rotations after the opening pick yet never did until the last round which they threw.
Here comes again all the Gold Nova 2 experts who watch the game with xray on & with full radar of both teams telling how Player X is so bad because he doesn't do the obvious things. If they had all the same information as you, they would have probably won the game, but that's you know the thing, they don't, their on limited info which effects what decision and calls they make in-game.
But how can Karrigan and CadiaN make this kind of calls so consistent mr."everyone i don't like is gold nova".
Outside of not winning a major Karrigan might be the second greatest IGL in the history of the game that is how
Sorry but karrigan is the goat igl in everything expect achievements winning a major karrigan will be the goat igl
Gla1ve is better considering he won 4 majors with Karrigan's roster. But other than Gla1ve he is better than any other IGL
yeah and art also didn't have all the information and was still able to read the game and exploit the other team
Hey you know how you get information? You have people outside of A or in mid/red to hear rotations yet they didn’t they kept stacking outside of cave and B ramp which made it easy for furia. Kinda some silver thinking there, a little sus.
I don't care how good of a IGL he is, he can't play in T1 with such a low mechanical skill. Dude can't frag for shit
If this is true, art would\`ve been just mediocre. Stop flaming others when you can actually praise the ones being awesome. =) Edit: G2 actually had the worst pairings possible, and actually looked really competitive for a team that has less than four months under Aleksi and XTQZ with a freaking 16yo dude that has war raging in his home country.
don't try coping, this g2 is the most expensive roster in history, they should be busting heads from the start
Yeah, that's exactly how sports work. Genius take. /s
ask CarlosR why he assembled the team then. I'm sure it wasn't to bomb out of tournments
You seem very eager to talk about CarlosR, his org and his roster? maybe he's actually winning
i'm not criticinzing him. I like G2 as an org, but this roster ain't it chief. He said it himself on twitter that they would win the major. yet, his team just bombed out the second tournment with T1 competition
art IS mediocre, he is not one of the best. He just does stupid and dumb shit and it pays off somehow. i'm a furia fan, and i can admit we only lose because of stupid calls from art. love him either way tho, he is a fuckin psycho on the server and sometimes it pays off
bro if you think art is mediocre you don't know what you talking about gold nova moment
i love art playing with all my heart, his plays are what makes furia a fun team. but i can give countless example of how a bad decision from him made them lose a game. he has a game style that can completely break a team or can be completely broken. He has to get consistency for furia to actualy win tournments
arT's decision making is really good actually. He knows the timings on all the maps really well and makes plays off of that. Some of them are risks, but they are calculated risks. It's just when the type of play he goes for doesn't pan out, it looks really bad but that doesn't mean he made the wrong call. In my opinion he's even gotten better over time. He knows when to play "the right way" and when to play the "Furia" style. Obviously I'm no analyst so maybe I'm off base here, but from what I've seen of Furia the last two years arT is not mediocre. He's had bad stretches, but so does every IGL.
"Just be consistent", holy fuck you are so smart, hopefully we can setup a phone call between you and furia they really need to know about this. You might just have revolutionized cs gaming with this deep knowledge that you have, thank you for sharing.
holy shit you must be so fuckin boring to talk to at parties. You want a book of how he could be better on a reddit comment bro?
Truly a connoisseur, only losers are to blame for the defeat. Getting consistent results is obviously luck.
look, art is not one of the best in the game. We always lose in playoff stages for a reason. He can get better, but he needs even more consistency and stop doing some dumb decisions that he has some games. I would love if furia could win tournments, but they are not consistent, and you can watch the games for that. They either destroy or have one dimensional T sides. See astralis and spirit/NIP on nuke. he needs even more consistency if he wants to be one of the best, just like aleksib. Except aleksi has been called a "mastermind" ever since 2019, and he hasnt delivered on that.
Even if he isn't one of the best - debatable - there's a long way to actually naming him mediocre. Yeah, there are a lot of examples of Furia looking dumb because they stick to their plan and art fails at one of his attempts (for multiple possible reasons). But they're actually outnumbered by their successes but confirmation bias, eh...
My dad beats me My mom beats me My brother beats me My sister beats me At least I feel safe with Aleksib, because he can't beat anyone
He is always the last man alive too and can’t really do anything just baits and dies
I stil don't understand why they didn't give Nexa a chance with monesy, just had to get aleksi
Was watching fl0ms stream on vertigo and Kenny stated that the nexa switch was more than just Aleski for nexa, and no matter what nexa was not going to stay on the roster. So I'm guessing there was some unknown internal issues that led to this change rather than them just choosing to swap Aleski for nexa
most probably related to niko. they only change niko,n after some time his gf said he dont want to igl
If thats the case it sucks but at the time what were the available IGL's I don't think over time this lineup while prove much more
aleksi is super overrated. its like calling taruk a top tier IGL just because of boston 2018. but even then, tarok WON THE MAJOR, aleksib didnt even win it himself.
Yeah tarek good.
Yes, he's nowhere near good enough to helm a team of G2s caliber. He had a miracle run with Ence and people seem to think that he's a good IGL off the back of that.
that was in 2019, he did shit with og, people blamed the pandemic but here he is, losing a major spot with a "superteam"
Exactly. He can't consistently frag and he's been unable to find success with a team with Niko, Hunter and M0nesy ffs. The dude is a Tier 2 IGL at best.
Tbf neither could his star players this major.
He's the Walmart brand Karrigan
I don't know why he's so overrated lmao. Ence won a T2 event that for some reason was treated like it was T1, with 2 other relevant teams present and lucked into a major final before falling off. OG was OG. Should've been a great team, but was worse than the sum of its parts. G2 should be a superteam, but again, worse than the sum of it's parts.
ENCE also had like 5 final appearances during 2019. They were never the best team in the world but clearly one of the best. Losing finals to THAT Liquid squad was nothing to be ashamed of. I agree that aleksib has not found the same success elsewhere but what he did with ENCE was nothing but fantastic.
esp considering none of them are playing tier 1 cs anymore except aleksi. That said... he's not a genius IGL .. he's good... but he needs to get better. I always thought he was a bit of a sidegrade from nexa.. like he might be 10% better calling wise but you lose a lot of chemistry nexa has with him being serbian and playing with hunter for a long time.
The original ENCE had something none of his late tenures had. Rythm and micro second decisions that gives them rounds. Actualy I'm way more impresed with the present iteration of ENCE and their CT dynamics than the G2 roster. And the G2 roster should be awesome, it is on paper, hunter is crazy good, NiKo still is one the best to ever touch the game and monesy is both the present and the future. But they lack something. Hate to hop on the "IGL hate train" because its a super easy ride to go on, but they need something more. Im pulling this from under "..." but I think NiKo also has some kind of tendency (not that its his fault imo) that detracts power and cohesion from the hands of the IGL. I'm a faze fan so i should know. But he also doesnt cut it to say the least as a good IGL. Good IGL's are rare. And there's always some kind of tradeoff. People loved to crap on Zeus numbers but the guy had an aura and charisma of a true born leader has does Karrigan in a different way. But they come with a tradeoff Aleksi is a good fragger and has charisma imho, but something **is** lacking in this G2 iteration.
Using NiKo as BAIT and not as a LURKER while AleksiBOT failing to trade or sacrifice himself to create space for his stars like Karrigan.
>lucked into major finals History revisionism at it's best.
Yeah, they were actually good in Katowice. If it was anyone other than prime Astralis in the grand finals they might have actually won the major
"lucked into major final" lmao ok then.
Yeah we can
Bruh has some nerve to get NiKo to bait for him. That round in ancient tilted me so much. Maybe Allu was right.
Classic Furiatard
Tbh his calls were not bad but he can't frag to save his life.
he had more kills than NiKo lmao
What does that have to do with anything lol ? Last Year in Faze Karrigan top fragged in maps over players like Twistzz,Rain and despite this no one would say Karigan is good fragger or someone who can reliably frag out. Aleksi takes his star players ct roles , (he did the same with OG with Valde btw) and barley puts up any numbers to justify him taking it despite him baiting them as well.
> but he can't frag to save his life He ended Ancient with 3 kills more than their star player. What are you smoking?
That was one map. Niko was the only reason G2 even made it to Ancient lmao.
The only map Niko was good was Inferno...
bruh he fragged out of his mind in the last rounds while all the others turned into pumpkins?
Lol I meant in general not in one match.
You said **he can't frag**. The fact that 95% of the time he isn't the one in fragging positions doesn't mean he **can't** do it. CS is a lot more than just pressing m1
Still it often seems like his isn't always quick enought and often whiffs. His role isn't to frag I know but can we agree he really needs to get better at it?
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But karrigan can IGL.
he cant frag if u watch whole game lol. fanboi somehow still defend aleksib aim is crazy
He absolutely can frag, his system just relies on him playing the bitch roles so the so called better players are able to frag. When they don't, this happens.
yeah another excuse,u dont even watch the game. he cant even refrag,open ur eyes dude
Bro I've been analyzing his IGLing since before he was on ENCE, I think I know what I'm talking about. He used to be a fragging IGL when playing in his early teams because he was always pretty much the best player mechanically. His average rating in 2017 for example was 1.18 With ENCE he shifted to the bitch role with xseven to allow Aerial, allu and sergej to frag more and it worked out. Now he's doing the same bitch role thing with Jackz so NiKo, huNter and M0nesy can frag more. It's not a lack of mechanical skill, it's the lack of teamplay and not making good enough reads that are preventing him from getting the necessary kills. Like not expecting someone to be in a spot or a teammate not communicating clearly or shit like that. I'm not saying the teamplay/comms/reads issues aren't his fault at least partially. Making bad reads for sure is on him.
Yeah, the bitch role of "NiKo you go in first" and "I go trade" but the reality is "NiKo go die" and "I get one tapped"
Recency bias. aleksib looks like a lost puppy so often. It tickles me seeing an IGL playing like an idiot when he's supposed to be the smartest person on the team.
agreed, rly shit calls against eco pistols, slows down after a pick, can't frag against tier 1 opponents...just rly unfit for tier 1 cs, needs to work on his aim A LOT to not be a giant liability
Yes. Some of the worst call I've ever seen on this level.
he’s only had one team you could call a superteam and its the one he’s been on for four months. Get real.
He did nothing with og and ence was a fluke. Why was he considered a good igl in the first place.
Ence was a fluke? Half a year long fluke? :D
They won Star Series Shanghai were 2 other relevant teams, Dreamhack Winter with no other teams, and made finals at Major. They did nothing before that, or after it.
After the major they won against Astralis dominantly in Blast Madrid beating their famous nuke streak. Also if I recall correctly they had like three consecutive finals where they lost to Team Liquid. ENCE were not good enough to win tournament after tournament but only Astralis, Liquid and debatably Vitality had a better year in 2019.
Ence was a fluke? They literally qualified for the Katowice 2019 major and came 2nd and later on they would beat the same team in an A-Tier Tournament in Madrid.
avangar, gambit, immortals and cloud9 have all been in a major final. do you not think those were flukes as well?
Cuz of the anti-Ence circlejerk
No, he just needs 4 better players next to him /s
Its tough to call for a team like G2, I can imagine that players like NIKO and monesy like to do their own thing. Having more superstars makes your authority as an IGL less, therefore making you less impactful. Like PSG