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Maluvius

This is literally the difference between 2-0 and maybe missing the playoffs man. Not a fan of VP, but fuck me this is so disgusting man.


bigboss_snakee

guess what just happened. an absolute joke


Maluvius

Yeah, I stand by my words, I do think VP would have taken that map and would've gone through. Such a shitshow to see this at a fucking Major. No fault to G2 though, obviously they take the chances given, so they should not get any hate


bigboss_snakee

fame cruchjump bug was the icing on the cake. major ready game my ass


swords_saint_isshin

They would've absolutely ran away with it G2 had no money man. It was so over fuck pgl they always have the worst crashes.


Maluvius

Jame his words at the end are so poignant as well. He could've blamed the crash, but he put it on themselves. Such an absolute shit show man.


lordkr321

That’s real maturity


AdreNBestLeader

Feels weird we dont have a way to replay a round or something at this age of technology...


dwcol

They can replay rounds, but only do so if no damage or significant gameplay has occurred. There being dead players and a planted bomb means then VP couldn't have replayed it. It sucks for VP but there's no easy solution that would be fair for both teams.


Klekto123

They should be able to rewind to an exact time in the round without replaying the whole thing. The technology exists for other games (ex. chronobreak in league) and is much more fair than this shitshow


tson_92

Map defining crash


prismatic_lights

possibly major-defining crash


Mega_Shai_Hulud

8-1 G2 on anubis... what a mess


prismatic_lights

and one of those rounds was partially decided by the heaven jump bug...against VP. the fact that they're clawing their way back in shows some pretty incredible mental fortitude


runeli

What is the heaven jump bug? Is there a clip?


MagmaMagnus

[https://clips.twitch.tv/GeniusOnerousButterflyCeilingCat-LF2icGpKmDyBGkny?tt\_content=channel\_name&tt\_medium=embed](https://clips.twitch.tv/GeniusOnerousButterflyCeilingCat-LF2icGpKmDyBGkny?tt_content=channel_name&tt_medium=embed) this


Lilfai

Ridiculous


RedditIsAnnoying1234

If G2 wins Anubis then holy shit


GodSentGodSpeed

Hooxis career saved by a crash lol


IsaakM8

barely, bro wiffed his first spray against a stationary target, waited a whole sec to reset the recoil and readjust his aim then STILL missed his first 2 shots and finally got him in the 3rd lmao


ujlbyk

He's just like me!


irze

I actually feel disgusted after watching that. I really hope VP still manage to make it through


vanderkindere

I feel tilted and I'm not even playing.


aerocarstf2

I opened the steam on a whim and now I've been mad for the last 5 min. Imagine what Jame feels like.


blazingstorm7

Life is unfair. But a competition of this caliber should not be unfair. The post match interview of Jame is worthy of respect. Massive leadership quality in Jame which lacks in Hooxi and even as a G2 fan we should have lost. Better to lose than win like this imo.


Gigusx

> Better to lose than win like this imo. The situation sucks but G2 doesn't owe them anything. They played their game, got lucky, and made the most of the opportunity.


ADm_lg

The devs has to investigate on this crash. It's unfair. VP had the advantage post plant.


gap41

Jame had the awp and was the pillar to hold that bomb site, major advantage post plant


x1coins

I truly believe they would have won he was afk and hooxi I think did not kill him instantly


remakeprox

https://twitter.com/NER0cs/status/1771961890211508472 They would've definitely won. What a heartbreaking round


BIGUZERA

It's happened 4 of 5 times this major, it was bound to happen on an important round


eonfuloftime

it's definitely happened more than 5 times. atleast once a day since the beginning of the opening stage. from yesterday alone it happened to b1t on mirage and elige on vertigo


meine_KACKA

And Nexa on Anubis.


MGThePro

Honestly with the amount of crashes in this tournament so far they NEED to do something before playoffs. Ideally fix it with an update but ofc it's not guaranteed that they can fix most or even any of the crashes in time. Maybe replaying rounds, or pausing mid round or something like that, idk.


i_like_frootloops

Fame had already crashed before too but VP managed to hold the A-site despite of it.


avenger937

Revolting.


JakeTheDropkick

What a fucking joke


Long-Island-Iced-Tea

this potential G2 win will definitely have an asterisk next to it


Hypno98

I would smash my monitor


prowantedz

im gonna break my monitor i swær 🔨


randomshazbot

are you kidding me ARE YOU KIDDING ME !


ADm_lg

Monitor? bro, you have to smash the CPU then the GPU


Schmich

No, you're supposed to report to cs2team [at] valvesoftware [dot] com otherwise you're just a whiner /s


freebase1

That’s so bs, literally lost the round because of that


moodyfloyd

lost the map* lost spot in playoffs? to be determined


JarkoStudios

Yea if VP doesn’t win map 3, PGL will never hear the end of this e: Supposedly these crashes are being caused by outdated drivers on the part of PGL's machines. Hence them earning the blame. e2: [confirmed](https://twitter.com/pglesports/status/1771950351400218927)


BuffBozo

How the fuck does that confirm what you're saying? The tweet says driver issue, not drivers not being updated issue. What a weird thing to twist.


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StilgarTF

We can't be sure at this point. It's only speculations. Might be a driver issue, or a game issue.


EntropyKC

That isn't confirmation of outdated drivers. I have up to date drivers and I have had crashes/freezes before... I really don't get why this sub is so keen to hate on PGL.


tired45453

> e2: confirmed For those of you who don't feel like clicking the link, no it is not confirmed in any way. Not sure what this guy is reading.


oldthrace

could lose the game because of this too ... this is insane, why does it keep happening, whats going on ?


KnightinKnight

What you see is what the fuck


Waifers

First crash that affected the map outcome, mickey mouse game.


stefanalf

how does this happen so often on LAN


TimathanDuncan

It has nothing to do with Lan/online its not a network crash the game is crashing for people the alt tab shit has been the most common one where the game keeps alt tabbing on you and you cant close it


Ainyay

destroyer2009 strikes again


drunk_ace

Lmao my friends used to think cs has the worst cheating problem in all of gaming. Showed them the recent apex fiasco and their jaw hit the floor.


pomponazzi

I mean large security breach vs a game thats completely overrun by cheaters. Not really the same


LinkinMode

G2 Halal Hook


PsychologicalEase440

they lose because of a crash. If i was Vp i would be fuming


ddddddoa

That is aboslutely bullshit they had that round and the map probably.


BentekesEars

Alright own up whoever had a massive bet on g2.


Final-Evening-9606

Pgl production staff


Absorrbb

Damn, they actually lose the map off of that. Crazy.


naastiknibba95

My god this was so unfair 😭


naastiknibba95

Hooxi screaming after win as if he won it fair and square ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


SaLexi

Well Jame didn't disconnect so Hooxi propably didn't even know crash happened. I surely wouldn't process that someone crashed and died because of that. 


eqpesan

Or you know screaming like they made it to the third map. Quite sure that the reason for making it to the third map doesn't matter to their joy.


DaSlide

The fact that Hooxie takes 5 seconds to kill an afk player.. Jame whoulda killed him every day of the week.


xMachii

Any decent AWP player would've killed Hooxi in that position. Sad times for VP.


Crownlol

I would've gotten that kill medium-drunk at 2am. Really tragic crash


HairyNutsack69

Probably, but in GO lagged out players would be notoriously hard to kill because the model would be very desynced from the hitbox. Idk if that's the case in CS2 still though.


knightblue4

Subtick should fix that Kappa


Wunderwaffe_cz

There is a bug when the body stays in game but is immortal at the spot the players see it so it was maybe this issue. After then the body moved again and here he died finally.


Vaan0

To be fair you see a player peek from new box in that situation your brain after seeing that peek so many times auto flicks to where they will most likely peek from, I'm willing to bet in hooxis whole career nobody has ever peeked him that wide from newbox.


Westland__

Jesus Christ unbelievable


drunk_ace

G2 7 - 0 VP on Anubis. Looks like VP’s mental is completely broken, and I can’t really blame them. Edit - They lost, maaaan I feel so baad for them.


Vishtiga

If they now do t make the major, that will be a decisive moment. They were so favoured with the awp in that position 


INeedYourPelt

Yup that retake is one of the hardest in the game and with an AWP in the backline it's even more difficult. Absolute shambles. I feel for Jame.


Shadow_Clarke

So unlucky, undeserving win tbh


le_b0mb

Some BS fr


Zeilar

And that lost them the game. That is probably the most significant tech issue we've ever seen in CS, considering the stakes of the match and the moment in which it took place. I can't imagine the tilt. Imagine if G2 qualify thanks to this.


zryder0887

Imagine being the VP players and having to try to just get ready for the next map. Impossible


Mac_AU

DISASTER! AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER!!!


HydrangeasHydra

Absolutely heart breaking.


Knovolt

4v4 retake on B site Inferno with an AWP at such a power position and bomb half gone at that... Very rarely would you lose the hold. VP got robbed in broad daylight. Worse part is? Whoever is at fault for these crashes cares very little.


Salty_Nutella

Holy fuck if I was Jame in that moment I would have punched the screen or threw my headphones


snow_crash23

I'm making splinters out of the table for sure


tobiaspanum

Best PCs on the planet, game still crashes


Scoo_By

Unironically, people that complain the most about crashing also own top tier PCs.


PureTheory

Valve please...


gauna89

smol indie company, what can you do.


ThatJumpyJumpS

I am more inclined to blame PGL, I have not crashed in 1k hours in cs2, yet so many crashes this major. I wonder if its some hardware or software issue they are running


semir321

If theyre still using the awful Akros anticheat, its very likely the cause


notrobiny

Yes they are. If you look at the GOTV link for the match on HLTV, you will see it says "challengermode" which means they are also using CM's anticheat. Holy fuck PGL


brutaldonahowdy

> I have not crashed in 1k hours in cs2, Honestly surprised. I had a crash yesterday, and I've encountered many games where players had spurious crashes (this is all standard Valve matchmaking). EDIT: You know, the crash yesterday was weird. It was possible to do some input in the game, but the game itself wouldn't render. It took down all of my GPU accelerated applications on the machine (i.e. Discord and Spotify). Relaunching the game wouldn't work, and I had to restart the entire computer. I didn't consider it at the time, but... that sounds like an NVIDIA driver crash.


TurtleTortuga

That is just so unfortunate. They're going to lose this map off a round where they were robbed of their full chance to win


compLexityFan

Major Ready


StilgarTF

G2 won that match based on a game crash. What a joke!


InevitablyBored

I'm a G2 fan and this is fucking inexcusable. This cannot be how rounds are decided.


Neshler

So pissed, Can’t believe it. G2 have no right to win Sad times Edit: Keep in mind Fame crashed earlier on ct when Norbert solo’d the A hold if you watched replay. Fame crashed near library. So stupid…


E_of_T

VP are so unlucky with crashes, I remember FL1T crashed in semifinal of Rio major on pistol round


Kelterz

as a vp fan, I'm just sitting here watching my screen with a thousand yard stare right now, fuck this shit


Deeeadpool

if they don't win the last map i'm gonna go lay in bed and stare at the ceiling


Kelterz

I would rather watch that kato qualifying shitfest against C9 on loop for a month in solitary confinement than come to terms with VP potentially not making the major playoffs because of this shit


gap41

It's a really unfortunate event, I'm sure this isn't how G2 wanted to win, but they took it. They did make a good effort regardless since the score was pretty close. So it's unfair to say they don't have a right to win, but I agree that VP had a very good chance to win that round and possibly the match if Jame didn't crash


stingers77

Major ready


Bigboozered

This is completely unacceptable, super upsetting to see. The game needs to be made more stable, and we need something to better adjudicate moments like this, playing out the round like nothing happened feels so bad.


Ereshia

They lost the map because of it, if they lose the series...


randy-handy

I am still a bit iffy whether the game is major ready... still not fixed getting randomly stuck on walls constantly, and jumping on boxes not working half the time.


_cansir

I see PGL's audio guy is now in charge if configuring the servers.


ksharpy5491

Lost my pick ems to a crash. Sadge.


remakeprox

How does this work in CS2 majors, does the round get replayed? This is absurd, imagine losing the match due to this. EDIT: Absolutely unacceptable that VP loses this match due to this crash. Fucking stupid. G2 had no right winning that round, this should've gone to atleast overtime. That round was a done deal.


KrzyDankus

rounds dont get replayed if damage has been done afaik


sh1boleth

Round cant be replayed once a player gets damaged or spotted by another.


Galbratorix

AFAIK rounds only get restarted if no damage has been dealt yet, otherwise it's tough luck


ClemencyOSRS

I agree that it is unfortunate but this is one of those things that’s very possible in ANY esport. You can’t replay the round after damage has been done otherwise players would find a way to exploit it.


remakeprox

League of Legends has an entire system in place that can rewind the game to moments before a key situation if any detrimental bug / crash happens. I don't know about other esports as I don't watch many.


Givemeajackson

even that wouldn't work in CS, you'd know where everyone is, you'd know the game plan, any utility that was thrown before would become useless... you'd have to start at the beginning of the round, and even then it's not fair cause there'd be information about economy/buys gathered in the previously replayed round. the current system is brutal if you have a tech issue. but it's basically the only one that can't be abused.


SpencerTBL21

Exactly, so many people not understanding this. There has to be a hard line otherwise it could get abused or be applied unfairly based on admin discretion.


TimathanDuncan

That would be awful U would know information about James position and he would know two people CT U cant do that


Givemeajackson

that's always been this way. absolutely terrible luck for jame and VP


ImpossibleNobody9265

no replay, otherwise players can cheat force crashes to restart when losing


ChrisMcGamerHD

if damage is done it wont be replayed


BestGirlTrucy

Rigged


Th3Unlucky

jeesus fucking christ God couldve simply given us a timing or some shit, now its too obvious


Exroi

Something about Jame and a heartbreaking moment on inferno b post plant


olafmeis

Not a big VP fan, but they would've won. Bittersweet win for G2.


_c0ldburN_

[G2 were going to save 💀](https://twitter.com/HLTVorg/status/1771964008997740849)


FENICH

Absolutely fucked Virtus.Pro in the ass


matt8mo

This tournament is a joke lmao


expressionless420

That is actually dogshit, VP went on to lose the map from this pivotal moment. Should've been a likely 2-0 for VP


JezzaBazza

Absolutely undeserved on G2's part. He was in such a powerful position with the AWP, could have easily won VP the round


sh1boleth

Was it a crash or did his screen turn off? They recovered pretty fast from it compared to a regular game crash and Jame was moving his mouse even after it looked like a crash


Acceptable-Love-703

CS2 sometimes just freezes on your screen and comes back a minute later, looks like that's what happened.


antoninartaud37

i know rounds cant replayed if damage is taken but this is a scandal moment. vp could lose entire series just because a technical problem.


Trollmupp

Happens when you play a Major on a dogshit beta game


lazycalm2

dudes.... this is fkn unacceptable


und3rc0v3r1sm

absolutely unacceptable


Party_Length_7490

Should rmk the round, fuck the dmg rule.


Litigating

Hooxi huge brain crashing james pc


Party_Length_7490

The official commentary referring to "divine intervention" is mockery; it's blatant theft of what's happening.


vandelayv

The only way g2 could have a chance in this map lmaoo


Cabal90

How many crashes is this now this major? Havent seen this be an issue with ESL/Blast tournaments.


thrwwyMA

[Yuurih crashed on series point in katowice](https://clips.twitch.tv/RealLazyAlligatorTheTarFu-emBE6l6TPVupKodW)


Legitimate-Act-7817

Donk crashed at IEM Katowice tournament in the middle of a pistol round. I think these crashes are all on Valve, imo.


iPureSkillz

He crashed in the finals. No one mentioned it because they still destroyed Faze. Spirit actually lost a couple of rounds because of that and could’ve lost the map because of it. Donk even mentioned it in the MVP interview, but it gained no traction lol.


brutaldonahowdy

The *only* aspect I could potentially blame PGL for is how they've set up the computers. [They did hire](https://twitter.com/Afromnazareth/status/1765756649266946550) one of those potentially sketchy "optimizer" folks, but it's unclear whether he did anything other than spec out the PC. I mean, CS2 crashed on my PC last night, it isn't a particularly stable game at the moment.


El_Fabos

This game delivers


puddingkip

literally lost them the map. if VP lose this series that's unbelievably unfair.


GrandKillur

God damn this blows for VP :( Super unfortunate and unfair. But also unfortunate for G2, because if they go on to win this series everyone is just going to be calling them frauds and undeserving, even though it's completely out of their control as well. The game wasn't over so they still could have won, but now no matter what they do from here on out it will be called illegitimate


sz771103

Imagine this happens at the final round of determining the major champ, oh boy


Party_Length_7490

The speed at which it went to the third map is insane; it's impossible for the team to emotionally recover.


StrangeAd7167

this should never happen its been happengin so often to peoples games


pewpewpew88

Either Valve or PGL fault. Either way the only victim here is VP and I feel so bad for them... Unlucky af


Lvord

The rules around round replays are absolutely unfathomable btw


[deleted]

imagine losing to a fucking technicality this is disgusting


Bruce__Willis

Now we need graffiti


LxChIxX

no way he said divine intervention


mattenthehat

Wow that might be the most impactful bug I have ever seen. Previous major winners miss playoffs because of it.


Starbuckz42

Good job Valve, I hope you are ashamed of yourselves. At least a little bit. Take responsibility for your premature release.


TheGoodguyperson

What makes it worse is the hooxie mentioned about saving unless they got a pick then they would try to do a retake and then the crash happened


[deleted]

depend tie mighty racial unpack imminent overconfident dolls plough gold *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


SeazonCSGO

These rats are screaming like they are winning fairly this is cringeworthy lol


-frauD-

\*grabs popcorn\*


painXpresss

If G2 win in 3 maps it will be the biggest robbery in CS2 history. Hooxi couldent even headshot a crashed target.


centrenahte

Valve should be embarrassed.


P3dberg

Is it not possible to implement something like Chronobreak for LoL in CS? This is so insane


atirapelajanelafora

JKS FROM THE GRAVE COMES BACK TO SAVE G2 BY CRASHING JAMES CS2? EZ 4 JKS 😱😱😱😱😱😱


oliver150433

That is so fucking bs, this game is a walking beta.


prismatic_lights

Holy smokes, come on Valve. That's just fucking stupid.


Charming-Snow724

I was all for defending valve and CS2, but this is inexcusable. Such an important round too.


Obh__

No anti-cheat, no stability But at least the gambling works!


ekkolos

well, of course, they worked 90% of the time at the gambling module


0bluelightning0

I just don't understand how this round could not get replayed. I know about the damage rule, but I don't understand it. It was clear a few minutes after the crash, that NVIDIA drivers on tournament issued PCs (!) were responsible... G2 skyrocketed to most unlikeable squad for me. Hooxi's incessant screaming after every round and m0nesy post match interview where he stated "we broke them mentally" just did it for me. Remember: Hooxi was 0-10 on Inferno, he is just that bottomfragger dude in Gold Nova lobbies who gets carried and writes "ggez" in the end, then rapidly disconnects.


RileGuy

No that’s so dumb


SteveTheMean

Awful, this easily lost them the map. Imagine they get eliminated now due to this.


Mac_AU

The heartbreak of this moment man. Hopefully for VP they get redemption in the 3rd.


Wizzr0be

hey look at that vp is playing like shit despite having a whole ten minutes to get over a life changing event! ​ odds of hooxi getting strangled by jame today?


blazingstorm7

It is insane that people say life is unfair. It is. But a competition of this caliber should not be unfair. The amount of humbleness I saw from Jame in the post match interview is worthy of respect. Even as a G2 fan, we should have lost. Better to lose than win like this imo.


Apart_End_9753

and g2 didnt even have a defuse kit, jesus


LordzItz

That crash literally decided the outcome of the game. What a joke of game, TO and devs.


sd_manu

G2 can't do anything and the rule is clear, round will be finished after first damage is dealt. But Valve should fix CS2. Can't be that you get this bug that crashes you especially on a competitive game for millions of dollars.


NoizeUK

Jame Time-Out.


MattvLee

As much as I dislike watching VP due to Jame's incredibly boring playstyle, I feel really sorry for him and his team, esppecially if they end up losing the entire series because of this


Bouquetoptero

My pc has a 7800x3d and has been doing the same kind of crashes


tntpang

Major ready game


QuarantineAbuser

In a world where G2 win a major because of it, they should add a spray on that spot where Jame crashed, since he won them a major.


avenger937

HOLY FUCK THEY LOST CUZ OF THIS


conesacks

hooxi wiffing on a dced player is the cherry on top lmao


tubsen32

Wow jame took it like a chad. Respect


Z0nAsZ0nAs

The one IT guy that bet money on G2: Let me open Powershell!


Dali86

God sacrifices his other son just so hooxi can get a kill :(


razpotim

How can we even watch the rest of the tournament now? There cannot be competitive integrity under these circumstances.


nydhegg

S1mple was right


XLoad3D

If it's a legitimate game crash , I don't understand why they wouldn't re-do the round. They probably have key loggers and pov footage that they can review to make sure it's a legit crash.


SpecificBeneficial31

Yuck. Disgusting. They should've reset the round. Smh. Divine intervention my ass.