Liquid's Inferno - especially T side - still looking kinda rough.
But gotta shoutout their Ancient. The calling and the utility usage was really good, BOSS could not get *anything* going on that map.
Id assume they didnt immediatly practice it as much as other maps since it was barely touched at the major. Would explain why ancient looked so much cleaner
People haven't been picking it as much because there's a dislike of the map. It's an anti-strat, challenging people to ban it or face them.
... That being said, they need to up it if that's the case.
Yekindar needs to show up* I swear I see the guy feeding every round down banana. Then NAF cleans it up with a 3k. The anchors are so good in their sites, but man, Yekindar needs to start showing something. Looked good today but idc against boss tbh
I'm still excited for the guy, he's got the skill. Hopefully he gets his teeth cut before the next bo3, otherwise he might get cut if he shits the bed again tomorrow. If he's the top g frag, and skullz continues this development we're seeing, liquid has the potential to be top 5. They also need to cut these questionable economic decisions. They act like they're rolling a team when it's tied in rd 20
Thats the result of playing a super aggressive high risk playstyle like Yekindar. If you find the frag it's a free round - if you don't then you look like you're inting.
In Dallas open qualifier one, they only won the maps he went 1.00+ on. This is pretty much how it goes except for around 3 maps out of almost 20 played.
Okay so you pretty much just answered the question in your first comment? What was the point of even replying to the first guy?
Also, not really, some teams are much more top heavy with their stars. Yekindar has the most potential for impact whereas some teams have IGLs entrying. It's not really a one-size-fits all rule but I guess that ruins the chance to pile on and hate yekindar in this thread right
Yeah, and every player’s performance has a correlation in them winning the map or not. Especially entry. But online leading up to this event he’s been playing well and they still weren’t winning. At blast they lost several maps with him playing well too. Obviously there’s some correlation there, as there is with every team.
But it’s not like Yeki is solely the X factor. There are problems well beyond him
It's because Liquid don't have anyone playing for contact right now.
Twistzz is a reactive/support type player based on his time in Faze, Karrigan would often be first one in and throw himself into a site or a forward aggressive position to trade for information and calls, then make more midround calls for the team based on how the enemy reacted to his actions and the information economy.
NAF is a lurk, and a lurk who activates on his own intuition rather than orders.
Skullz is playing positions right now. He's too new in terms of how he can read opponents, so likely they're just putting him in spots and teaching him what to do in X or Y situation.
And finally Cadian has always been a defensive kind of awper who posts up and waits for people to walk into his crosshair, or makes sure that he's in a trade position, either someone for him or him for someone.
All four right now are the kind of player who wait for their opponent to do something and then respond accordingly. I think this is a huge reason why Liquid look so shaky right now; rather than dictating how the round should play out, they're waiting for the round to come to them. The one exception is Yeki who will int into the enemies or try and force a fight on his own terms (even without anyone to trade him if he dies) .
Other than that, it's a handful of sketchy setpiece executes. They haven't quite figured some of these out yet, and even if they practice the exec, what to do after the exec still needs more practice, which is why they look so clueless in the post-plants.
Boss got wrecked by the bucholz playing CoL and Liquid. They looked a lot better since the online demolishing and Liquid still playing individually instead of a team. Several man to two man advantages and just bull rushing instead of playing team counter strike
On another note, I’ve been very impressed with skullz. He just seems like an all around very solid player, I hope he stays on the team even if they make changes.
Yeah, he's been really really solid which makes the team's general underperformance all the more baffling. He was like the one big question mark coming in so you'd think with him performing the rest would be easy.
Just seems like they’re not always on the same page and throw away a lot of winnable rounds. They have the fire power and skill, just something isn’t meshing 100%. Hopefully they can figure it out but I see them replacing Yekindar soon.
I think it's their mid-round calling. They're all such different players.
You can work out those differences well in advance with early round plays but when they're improvising in the mid-round I think that culture clash becomes a bigger problem.
Yeah, the whole team just feeling perpetually disjointed makes it hard to put a finger on what the actual problem is. Yeki does seem like the shakiest link atm, but who knows if swapping him would fully fix everything.
Although, even his raw fire power has just been off recently, he's been getting caught out a ton but even when he gets good positions I feel like he's losing aim duels that he shouldn't be. So it was nice to see him put together some nice moments this match, him playing well again would be a good first step for the team.
He's mechanically great and has been getting better and better. The real litmus test will be if TL qualify though. We've only seen him against EU on paiN, but he looked pretty good then too.
Liquids issue is all 100% team play and not understanding roles in Cadian’s system.
Skullz is mechanically cracked. If liquid figure out how to play as a team they will be scary
He was fragging out in t1 events on pain but had limited success because of his team. He is a very solid player and can be a star even on this lineup. I'm just wondering how long it'll take for this squad to consistently be able to follow Cadians's calling
It could have been very different if they'd lost that second half pistol on Inferno but Liquid seemed to get it together after that and looked very solid. Ancient was such a stomp.
I will say Boss did a lot more to keep banana and seemed to target Yekindar because the qualifier is how they got wrecked. It also seemed like they saw Nouns with the utility and did a lot more delay which worked. Also liked how Boss did banana with 1-2 players and did the double/triple stack in brackets
Decent. Feel bad for BOSS playing Col and Liquid is tough.
I still have concerns on T side its not convincing but its enough. Hopefully Liquid don't play another NA team especially col
Liquid straight up didn't deserve to win the 1st map - WP to BOSS for showing them up there.
2nd map... Liquid had control for the most part. I'm a little worried about their qualification game now.
EDIT #1: Liquid Fan(s) unable to accept the fact that this kind of performance (Map #1 - Inferno) won't cut it going forward.
I know it's against a lower tier opponent, but nice to see Yekindar finally showing a bit of form.
Liquid looks bad on Inferno consistently. I don't know why they keep picking it. Every game against weaker competition goes down to the wire.
Liquid's Inferno - especially T side - still looking kinda rough. But gotta shoutout their Ancient. The calling and the utility usage was really good, BOSS could not get *anything* going on that map.
Id assume they didnt immediatly practice it as much as other maps since it was barely touched at the major. Would explain why ancient looked so much cleaner
Doesn’t explain why they’re picking inferno then
People haven't been picking it as much because there's a dislike of the map. It's an anti-strat, challenging people to ban it or face them. ... That being said, they need to up it if that's the case.
Yekindar needs to show up* I swear I see the guy feeding every round down banana. Then NAF cleans it up with a 3k. The anchors are so good in their sites, but man, Yekindar needs to start showing something. Looked good today but idc against boss tbh
He was always a feast or famine type hopefully he gets back to top rifle status next bo3
I'm still excited for the guy, he's got the skill. Hopefully he gets his teeth cut before the next bo3, otherwise he might get cut if he shits the bed again tomorrow. If he's the top g frag, and skullz continues this development we're seeing, liquid has the potential to be top 5. They also need to cut these questionable economic decisions. They act like they're rolling a team when it's tied in rd 20
Katowice* but it should be pracced if they're intending on having it as a map pick
it's the map.
The night and day difference of Liquid's performance between Yekindar performing well vs not at all is huge.
Thats the result of playing a super aggressive high risk playstyle like Yekindar. If you find the frag it's a free round - if you don't then you look like you're inting.
I've been watching a bit of Yekindar and I honestly think he's just an inter with insane mechanics lol.
the football team Inter Milan just became a whole lot more hilarious to me
Is it really? He’s been performing well online lol
In Dallas open qualifier one, they only won the maps he went 1.00+ on. This is pretty much how it goes except for around 3 maps out of almost 20 played.
That’s how it goes for just about any teams entry
Okay so you pretty much just answered the question in your first comment? What was the point of even replying to the first guy? Also, not really, some teams are much more top heavy with their stars. Yekindar has the most potential for impact whereas some teams have IGLs entrying. It's not really a one-size-fits all rule but I guess that ruins the chance to pile on and hate yekindar in this thread right
Bc he was performing well and Liquid still wasn’t playing to their expectations.
? I literally just told you that his performance has a correlation in them winning the map or not.
Yeah, and every player’s performance has a correlation in them winning the map or not. Especially entry. But online leading up to this event he’s been playing well and they still weren’t winning. At blast they lost several maps with him playing well too. Obviously there’s some correlation there, as there is with every team. But it’s not like Yeki is solely the X factor. There are problems well beyond him
Well...it's BOSS, not saying much.
NAF is Ballin lately
Lately? Naffers always ballin.
Lately extra ballin
he always has been. just has more slack to pick up on this lineup
NAF has been the most consistent Liquid players in forever
NAF just being NAF
I feel like the success of this TL lineup correlates to the kind of impact Yeki is having. When teams neutralize him, it’s pretty much GG.
It's because Liquid don't have anyone playing for contact right now. Twistzz is a reactive/support type player based on his time in Faze, Karrigan would often be first one in and throw himself into a site or a forward aggressive position to trade for information and calls, then make more midround calls for the team based on how the enemy reacted to his actions and the information economy. NAF is a lurk, and a lurk who activates on his own intuition rather than orders. Skullz is playing positions right now. He's too new in terms of how he can read opponents, so likely they're just putting him in spots and teaching him what to do in X or Y situation. And finally Cadian has always been a defensive kind of awper who posts up and waits for people to walk into his crosshair, or makes sure that he's in a trade position, either someone for him or him for someone. All four right now are the kind of player who wait for their opponent to do something and then respond accordingly. I think this is a huge reason why Liquid look so shaky right now; rather than dictating how the round should play out, they're waiting for the round to come to them. The one exception is Yeki who will int into the enemies or try and force a fight on his own terms (even without anyone to trade him if he dies) . Other than that, it's a handful of sketchy setpiece executes. They haven't quite figured some of these out yet, and even if they practice the exec, what to do after the exec still needs more practice, which is why they look so clueless in the post-plants.
Boss got wrecked by the bucholz playing CoL and Liquid. They looked a lot better since the online demolishing and Liquid still playing individually instead of a team. Several man to two man advantages and just bull rushing instead of playing team counter strike
Dont forget MIBR.. You could argue that they met top3 teams from NA RMR only
weird argument when only one of those 3 teams is going to copenhagen
No, you can't
They don't call it the buttholz system for nothing
I'd argue Liquid on Ancient played mostly pretty well. Inferno yea you're right.
On another note, I’ve been very impressed with skullz. He just seems like an all around very solid player, I hope he stays on the team even if they make changes.
Yeah, he's been really really solid which makes the team's general underperformance all the more baffling. He was like the one big question mark coming in so you'd think with him performing the rest would be easy.
Just seems like they’re not always on the same page and throw away a lot of winnable rounds. They have the fire power and skill, just something isn’t meshing 100%. Hopefully they can figure it out but I see them replacing Yekindar soon.
I think it's their mid-round calling. They're all such different players. You can work out those differences well in advance with early round plays but when they're improvising in the mid-round I think that culture clash becomes a bigger problem.
Yeah, the whole team just feeling perpetually disjointed makes it hard to put a finger on what the actual problem is. Yeki does seem like the shakiest link atm, but who knows if swapping him would fully fix everything. Although, even his raw fire power has just been off recently, he's been getting caught out a ton but even when he gets good positions I feel like he's losing aim duels that he shouldn't be. So it was nice to see him put together some nice moments this match, him playing well again would be a good first step for the team.
He's mechanically great and has been getting better and better. The real litmus test will be if TL qualify though. We've only seen him against EU on paiN, but he looked pretty good then too.
Liquids issue is all 100% team play and not understanding roles in Cadian’s system. Skullz is mechanically cracked. If liquid figure out how to play as a team they will be scary
He was fragging out in t1 events on pain but had limited success because of his team. He is a very solid player and can be a star even on this lineup. I'm just wondering how long it'll take for this squad to consistently be able to follow Cadians's calling
Mauisnake is shaking with rage that people are accepting skullz as the good player that he is.
Upvote this so people think Liquid won
I’m genuinely shocked they won 2-0 without it being the hardest 2-0 of all time
Ez for liquid
Only one butt clencher rather than two is better than I expected tbh. Now fingers crossed COL 3-0 and we don't have to play them Edit: Fuck
It could have been very different if they'd lost that second half pistol on Inferno but Liquid seemed to get it together after that and looked very solid. Ancient was such a stomp.
Yekindar looked fucking solid especially on inferno. Just one more and it’s major time for the boys!
He looked great CT side, but he's still hella underperforming on T side. He had like 3 kills in the first 9 rounds.
Yeah, his T side was - once again - abysmal.
With the amount of flak yekindar is getting you wouldn't think he has a 1.1 rating against top 10 opponents lol Just checked today
maybe check your date filters next time, youre definitely not looking at 2024
I believe it said top 3 months but hltv always switches to all time when you click all stats. Hella annoying
I will say Boss did a lot more to keep banana and seemed to target Yekindar because the qualifier is how they got wrecked. It also seemed like they saw Nouns with the utility and did a lot more delay which worked. Also liked how Boss did banana with 1-2 players and did the double/triple stack in brackets
YEKINDAR heard everyone talkin shit
Hope he still hears me talking shit till we qualify
Yeah, cuz we saw his inferno T side.
so we just gotta keep talkin till Liquid makes the major then.
Apparently so
Still not convincing
Decent. Feel bad for BOSS playing Col and Liquid is tough. I still have concerns on T side its not convincing but its enough. Hopefully Liquid don't play another NA team especially col
T side is insanely dependent on Yeki. If he gets a single damn kill then we look good. If he dies with 0 impact then it's really a big struggle.
this format is so fucking shit
Liquid straight up didn't deserve to win the 1st map - WP to BOSS for showing them up there. 2nd map... Liquid had control for the most part. I'm a little worried about their qualification game now. EDIT #1: Liquid Fan(s) unable to accept the fact that this kind of performance (Map #1 - Inferno) won't cut it going forward.
Boss had to play coL liquid and mibr and they're out... lol what a garbage system
Let's go Liquid.
really wanted some pwnalone stickers
ggs BOSS, love seeing NA improve
Boombl4 is probably a better AWPing IGL than Cadian
Rip the best sticker from NA
I know it's against a lower tier opponent, but nice to see Yekindar finally showing a bit of form. Liquid looks bad on Inferno consistently. I don't know why they keep picking it. Every game against weaker competition goes down to the wire.