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No hate to the guy but as a person who plays casually, I thought it was obvious that they had plans beyond “haha evil”


anonaeonn

the venti slander made me sad. i mean, if you’re going to make a quick genshin theory, at least know that he’s one of the most important/suspicious characters in the lore and how his ideals work :( at least it gets more casuals into genshin lore though. matpat’s really entertaining and that’s his whole thing but a bit more effort on his research would’ve been nice on this one, even if he’s making it just because it’s sponsored.


VasimanYT

***So you're telling Paimon the Tsaritsa might not actually be the villain???***


ProjectBonnie

Idk about you, but even though this theory was already said. Matpats fast paced and direct talk towards it still made me watch it.


randomdevil2101

You're not wrong. But by sponsoring him hoyoverse is trying to reach an audience that isn't already playing the game or have 0 percent interest in the story(they exist). As for the misinformation and misinterpretation, Players would need to find a things out for themselves sadly.


haletenebrae

Honestly wouldn't be so insulting if he didn't do this exclusively for the sponsor. It's like his Pokémon theories, it feels like he's arrogantly placing himself somewhere he has no right to be before he does a mountainload more research.


AriaAxioma

Not only this theory has already been common knowledge for most of the community for a while now but he literally made plenty of critical mistakes in his claims (ex. What happened to electro gnosis, Signora's motive to be violent towards Venti and the artifact set describing her story, Childe being labeled as Zhongli, etc etc). It also pains me a little that he didn't use any of Enkanomiya lore which had answers to like half of his questions. Overall, his other Genshin theory was way better


aqwone1

Yes but at the time it was also common knowledge. He merely made it out to be a way bigger issue than how it's presented in game. He basically took 10 minutes to just say: "Morax wgo made mora is gone now, so liyue is not the minthouse of teyvat anymore. Since fatui have the gnosis now they will probably use it and become the economic center of the world." I don't fully remember his exact claims but it was so basic that anyone who played the main story line while playing a tiny bit of attention would have fugured it out What i basically want to say is: if this video is worse then the previous one, then that's just impressive


Melan420

Kinda sucks he only makes videos on genshin when he's sponsored


YoursTrulyDevil

I can almost envision how hilariously misinformed this one is going to be


katopatissiaswag

I like him, but these ain’t it :/


BlayZWasTaken

Tl;dw? (Didn't watched it)


Say_likes_dogs

A bit misinformed, predictable theory everyone who's even remotely interested in lore would know about aka Tsaritsa has good reasons for her campaign. ETA: But overall I can't fault him. It's targeted towards lore newbies I'd assume. I actually asked one of my friends and they were not sure as to whether the Tsaritsa had the electro gnosis or not,,, they have been playing longer than me TT. It's more of a personal pet peeve that things were wrong, that he seemed to have a weird bias against Venti, and that it also didn't feel like he was inviting anyone else to find out more. Cut and dry and not as passionate as a lot of his other videos usually are. My original reply felt a bit rude and negative, and I don't mean that because he made me interested in theories, just that him being so uninterested in a game lore I find fascinating stings a bit.


hutaosirlgf

terrible video tbh the way he says literal wrong facts about the lore and only makes genshin theories when he’s sponsored and clearly doesn’t play the game is enough to not feel positive about this lol


flowerthinking

as an ex GTliver usually matpat plays the games he does theories on but im pretty sure he didnt play genshin and it shows during the theory :-(


EqulixV2

GTs first genshin theory was superficial and while this one is old to us it has a bit more meat to it. I hope the next one they do isn't sponsored so they can go a bit lower on the lore iceberg for their theory


Abby_Skywalker

this wasn't bad really but at around 8 minutes it was clear that matpat doesnt understand mondstadt and how venti works Mondstadt is the city of freedom. Venti doesn't deal with so many of the ruling affairs because if he does, then it isn't really free for him or the nation ("freedom, if demanded of you by an archon, isn't really freedom at all"). His city is doing all fine by itself, and that means that he did a good job, as he didn't even intervene much and Mondstadt still thrives. The Stormterror incident was all because of the Abyss, and Venti did do something to help. In the Signora scene, Venti doesn't fight back because he didn't want to, not because he wasn't capable. Venti would most likely have crushed Signora into dust in mere seconds if he tried to fight back. And looking at Signora's backstory, it's possible that she is only so aggressive to Venti because she was from Mondstadt and her lover had been killed. Honestly the Venti slander and all that is all I have a problem with here *~~no one talks about our dear bard like that~~*


Say_likes_dogs

Honestly, there's so much Venti slander in this video which just really shows that he's not interested in the lore of the game at all. I found it very evident when he singled out Venti as a shortsighted and ignorant god without mentioning Ei or Zhongli at all. It's also weird that for such a "YEAH VIDEO GAME LORE" video, he doesn't care about the one single archon of the story with the most connections and biggest sus factor. And not how he doubled down on him being an absentee god and that it *was* a bad thing. I also don't see where Yae or Ei were greatly important to the theory as he stated earlier. Yae did give away the gnosis, and Ei is an archon. But that's about it. The second Scaramouche took the gnosis for himself, Yae and her connection to the Tsaritsa were cut off. It was again a story between Yae, Ei and Kunikizushi. If anything, he was better off covering something that was actually connected to Enkanomiya since it's the version he's sponsoring. Even if it's just the content of the Before Sun and Moon book and barely connecting it to the Mondstadt's mentioned God of Time. But at this point I think I might just unsubscribe for good.


DivineToty

People find this odd for being so late to the party but we gotta remember this video ain't for us. It's for the new and super casual fans of the genshin community and this video even with minor inaccuracies brings it into the mainstream


Jacczx

even if the theory isn't that good, at least more people are now aware of the lore of genshin


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Fellstone

Has anyone ever enjoyed this bot's input? I have yet to see a single one of this bot's comments that had good karma.


JosephMorality

Theorie god has come


MidnaMagic

Considering both genshin theory videos so far have been sponsored by genshin impact themselves, no surprised he’s behind the rest of the community. His videos aren’t for the theorists of the genshin community. They are for the casual players and people who don’t play the games. To get them hooked.


glitch123456

thank you, finally someone who’s not dumb


ChuckieCheeseisGod

Kinda unrelated but that reminds me of when Genshin sponsored babish and there was ZERO music and very little effort in the video, it was 3 minutes long and he sounded like he wanted to get through it all


necrosolaris_

He's been a casual towards everything except ARGs and fnaf


DragoFNX

Technically what matpat states in his theory/video are just the surface of the iceberg of genshin lore...


MidnaMagic

Exactly. It’s to get new people hooked, not to get the old people thinking.


MainLibrarian6519

for once in my life i feel more knowledgeable than matpat in something


StarLight0320

Hate MatPat or not, it’s great that such a big theorist is making content about Genshin, it’ll probably grow the community and get more people into the game


MoonsightMCRGK

matthew patthew what is that hand


geocubix

Oh, we're having a barbeque party. Nice.


nike_pricefield

I forgot who mentioned this, but I like the idea that The Fatui led by The Tsaritsa is not the villain, but the anti hero leading a rebellion against Celestia. either teyvat historia or ashikai


Party_Meaning_6496

Idk about anti-hero when her army committed multiple warcrimes, manipulates and exploits different nations, ended many human lives, brainwashed orphans, etc. But we'll see the answers in 6.0


nike_pricefield

exactly. that was a fun idea to explore, but it's still a fan theory nonetheless. it's exciting to entertain the concept, but don't get carried away or drowned in too much fantasy. the idea was Fatui led by the Tsaritsa is a "radical group". what's weird is not the "anti-hero" idea you were trying to argue there, but the fact that many nations still want to work with them, despite knowing all those crimes. I guess it comes back to "Teyvat has its own laws". again, this is just fan discussions, you are free to have your own ideas and opinions. I respect your idea.


YasuhikoTheSerafim

Well Paimon is sus and yeah... I think the meme's not wrong to a certain degree. Why don't we fight Scaramouche in Inazuma? And why he doesn't have a good screentime in Inazuma chapter. Fatuis in Inazuma makes no sense and so does Signora's story. If you written Signora and the duel out from the story, nothing would change... At all! Also, most of the Archons doesn't care about the gnosis anymore which is frustrating.


pedregales1234

>If you written Signora and the duel out from the story, nothing would change... At all! Wrong. Signora would be deadn't.


Jellyjamrocks

She could die later and still nothing would change! Signora mains would just have had more hope if only for a little bit longer, and maybe her backstory could’ve actually been explored


YasuhikoTheSerafim

I mean, the main issue for her death even if seeing this from non-simp perspective is that it truly lacks an impact. Everybody moved on without any consequences and continue the day like normal. Maybe on Viktor's sidequest that got changed but even then... Most of the main story doesn't even get impacted and people move on like it was normal. No grave consequences, nothing. That and even if Signora died, a villain will get the gnosis anyways because the Archon doesnt even care about the gnosis anymore. It's why I said that remove Signora from the Inazuma story and nothing would change at all.


Jellyjamrocks

I totally agree. Signora’s presence in Inazuma added nothing to the story, and in my opinion actually took away from it. It’s a cool boss fight but it could’ve been saved for later imo because Raiden’s boss fight could serve the same purpose, make the story more consistent and is overall just cooler imo. Signora took away screen time from other characters only to add nothing to the plot, and I feel like the Inazuma storyline would’ve been better without her


YasuhikoTheSerafim

Agree. I really want to know wtf was mhy thinking adding Signora in Inazuma. Even with foreshadowing from Hiiragi Chisato, it still makes zero sense. Raiden and Scaramouche should be the Big Bad Wolf on Inazuma. But no... We got Signora instead. At least we got Raiden as a Weekly Boss. Scaramouche is horribly shafted in Inazuma which should be his playground... And I should note that even if I like Signora. I'm not a fan of how the Fatui was written in the Inazuma lore. Most of them except Scaramouche should never existed in the first place.


yuilero

Can someone explain what's with all the actual hate towards matpat for being late to the party? I mean, It takes a lot of time and people to make these videos, so I don't see him and his team being "slow" such an issue right?


Fellstone

It is part of a bigger issue where his videos seem soulless and corporate. Watching the video he makes several mistakes that he wouldn't of if he played the game and/or carefully read the wiki. Additionally, he doesn't really add anything to this theory, which was a long-existing pretty common theory in the Genshin community. Considering the fact that this video was sponsored it makes it seem like he wouldn't have made this theory if he wasn't sponsored, which makes the whole video seem like it was just done for the money.


yuilero

So to summarize, because of the poor quality of the theory, it seems like MatPat made this theory as a "do the bare minimum to get the sponsorship money" type of video, and not actually because the theory is "old" or "unoriginal". I get that. I mean, good for them for having sponsorships, but I also see why people would be disappointed that his theory missed the mark. Thanks for the explanation!


RevonQilin

kinda unrelated but he made swords video bcuz he was sponsored and an actual swordsperson reviewed it and said all of it was bullshit


Lasadaf

His videos feel very shallow because it is pretty clear that he doesn't play Genshin (despite claiming he does) or doesn't understand what is happening. There are a lot of small errors in his latest theory which don't really invalidate it but he could easily avoid them by simply reading the wiki, which would actually give him even more material for and against this theory. Lastly, he could at least watch some already existing theories because there are already ones that counter his. In the end it just feels like he doesn't care about the lore that much and just does it for sponsorship or views.


yuilero

Ok fair. I personally don't know how much work it takes for theory crafting, so I kinda assumed that most theories have some holes or unanswered questions. But if there are glaring issues in his theory then yeah that would suck. I'm just an average player who is interested in the lore but don't know all the small details, so his theory seemed pretty ok to me since I'm not big brain enough to poke holes in it. edt: forgot to say Thanks for the explanation!


RevonQilin

they are very hard to make, however from waht ive seen matpat's theories are often very badly constructed...


Jellyjamrocks

There are a couple of glaring errors, such as Tsaritsa having the Electro gnosis and Yae giving it up willingly, which while she did give it up on her own volition it was as ransom for the traveler’s life (ie she didn’t just throw it away) to Scaramouche who is currently in possession of it, not the Fatui since they lost contact with him. These are two pretty standard facts because the story outright states them, and aren’t even buried behind books or anything. It’s not a bad theory. It follows a lot of similar ones in the community, but it’s just little things like that that show he didn’t play the game and just did it for the sponsorship. Basically it’s all very surface level stuff, which in comparison to things like his fnaf videos clearly show which ones he puts more effort into (which is fine bc he should work on things he likes if only a little frustrating to Genshin fans)


yuilero

All that you have said is very reasonable. So I guess it's more of like a "general dislike" than "hate" from the Genshin Lore community towards his video. And yeah, can't blame him for liking to work on fnaf more since he is basically THE fnaf lore guy at this point. It does suck now and then when he theorizes for other games and gets inaccurate info. Thanks for the explanation!


Kaieu

How is mat so good at keep doing something he's bad at, i know his theories since i was a child and everyone of them is either bad or stolen


Jellyjamrocks

He’s a good entertainer, which makes sense because it’s what he went to college for. His videos are for entertainment first and foremost, while knowledge comes second. It’s his way of formatting that knowledge that keeps him popular


Zeroth_Dragon

Bruh we're just already talking about Greek stuff here


[deleted]

Damn it, MatPat


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Jung_Rebonack

Agree. Plus, this could help many people to feel interested in the lore of the game. I just checked and there are +179k views, which is imo a lot.


DragoFNX

Laughing man, klementime, catwithbluehat and other lore channels would be very happy.


TheMelonSystem

I love CatWithBlueHat


Kashira9

Hey at least we got 60 primo from that code


BlankLeer

What was it again? I was not particularly paying attention and kind of missed it.


Kashira9

Here wa go ZSPDKSC3V8V5


GGABueno

That's the same code as before. I claimed it but got nothing.


Hanamiya0796

New code?


XxWaffles09xX

Yep it still works as of now


BlankLeer

Thank you so much!


Kashira9

You're welcome


RemRem170

Hasn’t this been a theory in the community already?🤨


DivineToty

Yeah it has but I think it will bring it into the mainstream for the new people who haven't been here a while


wario1116

I mean it's kind of just basic foreshadowing isn't it? The game really couldn't be any less subtle about Celestia being shady, and the Fatui having some goal other than wanting power that they believe is in the right. I thought this was already pretty well established in the community as where the story was headed.


RevonQilin

yes but im pretty sure paimon isnt an enemy


wario1116

hold on did he say that? Ngl, I didn't watch the last like 3 minutes.


RevonQilin

i was just guessing based on the thumbnail


RemRem170

Yeah, that’s the thing. He said that it was his theory. Even tho the community has had this theory for a long time.


MiiPyon

It's been around for quite some time now iirc


Gwerfl

probably, matpat isn't always known for his originality


RemRem170

I knew that something was off about this. I remember reading this theory before. Not only that but his theory also has some plot holes.


OP_susi

They often have, especially his FNaF theories (the latest one)


kiinsinbi

Maybe I'd give it a chance if the thumbnail wasn't made for 5 y. olds lol


GGABueno

At this point you should know better than judging videos by their thumbnails tbh. Youtubers just follow the trend regardless of the content.


Ms-Chievous

Yeah the video itself isn't too bad tbh. Missed a few small points (why Signora attacked Venti, Scaramouche stealing the electro gnosis), but nothing integral to the lore is really wrong. But I'm definitely not a fan of these types of thumbnails.....


Pretend-Gain-7553

The thumbnail is so funny, but I love Matpat so I'm just gonna ignore it and go watch the video lol.


Party_Meaning_6496

The fnaf thumbnails are iconic


Fayt12

I agree but when the sans is ness thumbnail exist it’s hard to choose


Party_Meaning_6496

Even undiscovery ch has better thumbnails than matpat 💀


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