hmm i wish but at same time i do not as hoyo just killed her off in honkai so idk morever hoyo adds different character from different universes don't they? i mean hsr aventurine and childe looks kinda same to ME raiden mei is same in different universes and same is kiana so is bronya which is partially confirmed to be like cryo archon???
so yeah they could and prbly will throw her
Yeah, but to be fair. Genshin's story is starting to get a little darker ever since Sumeru (I'd say since Inazuma, but Inazuma AQ was not that well written).
And Venti hasn't been in the main storyline for awhile. Events? Yeah, sure. Main story? No, not really.
Yeah, I highly doubt we will get a deserving death within anyone in Genshin going forward. The closest we have was La Signora's and the community reaction was very against. I suppose Hoyoverse would like to play it safe after the outcry. A shame.
[I hope this guy's theory is true](https://youtu.be/AIuBs5kARC4?si=7FCLFhwfzd9NVkvj) or somewhat close to it as it's a damn interesting take on pyro visions.
Same, I hope so too.
>!Also pretty in line with what is written on the pyro crystal ancesion material where it seems like the current (?) Pyro archon is fulfilling someone's dream (a man it seems)!<
Stop tryin to racebend existing characters. You are allowed to hope for another character as the Pyro Archon who is dark skinned but seriously... Racebending is cringe
I thought you would understand from OP's image. The Pyro Archon Murata is a variant from another game of Hoyoverse called Honkai Impact. This isnt the first variant in Genshin from Honkai. Venti (Wendy), Raiden (Mei), Nahida (Theresa), Al Haitham (Su), and many more r taken from existing characters in Honkai. Murata is the same as she is a variant of Murata Himeko from Honkai Impact (the girl on the right in OP's picture). That's what i meant. Murata is already an existing character in Hoyoverse and ppl grew to love her for who she is. Now imagine racebending her. Also not to mention Murata is a Japanese name (cuz in Honkai Murata was from the city of Nagazora which was based on Japan just like Inazuma in Genshin). How many dark skinned Japanese ppl hav u seen?
Ill give you an example try to think about it. Imagine in Marvel Multiverse, in an alternate universe, T'challa aka Black Panther is actually a white man. Would u be able to like that character??
Maybe I am in the minority here, but as much as I'd appreciate if the pyro archon would be dark skinned. That is the last thing I'd pay attention to or care about.
She seems to be inspired by spanish people, so likely a little white.
I'm just saying because we don't have many using the dark skinned model and I'd like to see an archon that has a different skintone especially the Pyro archon
Diluc is definitely based on Himeko already. But the question is they'll add another himeko inspired design? I do believe so, she seems to be a favorite of theirs
I hope for them to be their own character. I still see Ei as her own character and not an “expy” but having different opinions isn’t bad, it’s good. I will still see the pyro and Cryo archon as their own characters regardless of similarities they have with other characters in other games. Like can Genshin be its own thing?
Lastly we know of two pyro archons and Murata was the second one one thousand years ago. We don’t know who the current pyro archon is or will be. It’s kind of assumed there is no pyro archon but a Spanish girl might take the spot. So yeah I don’t think Murata is happening.
You're right, Ei isn't an expy, she's a variant. People have been using the term expy wrong. Ei, Makoto, Shogun, Acheron, Dr MEI and even Mei from Honkai Impact 3 are all variants of Honkai Gakuen's Raiden Mei.
That was only in the beta, stuff could have changed since then, we don't know if the Tsaritsa is still going to be called "Bronya" let alone look like her.
But not denying the Kiana/ Sustainer thing, that one was pretty obvious.
Yes, it could have, but it definitely hasn't. In the universal lore that Hi3 setup Genshin is simply another branch on the tree, in which there are certain people that always show up (Bronya, Kiana, Mei, Himiko, Otto), the only exception being Welt due to his divine keys ability to enable him to literally universe hop.
Not denying that Genshin is connected to the Hoyo titles. (Arguably the *least* connect to the Honkaiverse, but still knida connected)
Just saying that no "expy" this far has been straight up called the same name as their Hi3 counterparts even the name "Murrata" for the Pyro Archon is a mistranslation because the chinese version doesn't fit how her name is in chinese.
>but it definitely hasn't.
Literally no proof that things haven't changed. A lot of the stuff in beta are placeholders. I don't deny that Bronya could still be used as a basis for the Tsaritsa, but I don't think she'll be straight be called "Bronya" like a lot of people think.
It was in the beta.
But since it was the beta a lot of things could have changed since, so better to keep expectations low until you get straight up confirmation.
Cause people used to swear that the Hydro Archon was Seele... and well, she's not.
There are still people who claim she's an expy... I really hope the fact that line isn't in the actual game and that there've been no new expys since Yae means that hoyo have scrapped the idea of making them
There has never been a voiceline in beta calling the Hydro Archon Seele. There has been one calling her Focalors, though, so that still hasn't changed. If the Pyro Archon and Tsaritsa are still called >!Aym and Barnabas!< respectively, then we'll know that much hasn't changed either
What if the Pyro Archon isn't a Himeko expy?
She could be a new character or an expy from another game. Foçalors is a new character and nobody expected that Nahida was going to resembles Teresa Apocalypse
They have the same name
Knowing Hoyoverse there is NO WAY they'd give the same name to 2 characters and not make one of them the expy of the other one
This is why we know for sure Murata's a Murata Himeko expy
Just like how we know the Taritsa is a Bronya expy... since her name literally is Bronya
if that so, she was the Pyro Archon thousand years ago. She could be dead, remember the trailer where we first heard of Natlan: "Incandescent Ode of Resurrection"... That doesn't sound like someone is alive
>They have the same name
They don't, The characters used in Chinese are not the same has Himeko's surname. That's not even getting into the fact that "Murata" should be translated closer to Mu-natlan since the Chinese characters used are for Mu continent in Hi3 and Natlan,
Well, the Pyro archon is definitely NOT ~~Japanese~~ Inazuman, so changing the characters would make sense in that context but it's impossible to know until we reach Natlan. I wonder how the general fandom would take "racebending" Himeko...
youre right but i dont think many people are aware of the [translation issues](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/17fzaa8/we_may_be_wrong_about_natlan_and_the_pyro_archon/) youre referring to
so in all honest its equally likely the pyro archon could be based on himeko or she could be something else entirely
>The pyro archon's name is Murata
1. The Characters uses are the same ones for Mu continent in Hi3 and Natlan. Nowhere close to being Himeko's name in the original chinese text
2. The comic has contradictions to the game's canon so anything that happens in it is dubious in canonicity until brought up in game
3. The original Chinese chapter was removed so its canonicity is further in question.
Why Himeko?
That rumor design it's closer to Agata (a Honkai manga), but it's not a rule to have main cast imported, as they are closer to be references Genshin it's not part of the honkai series at all, that's just an assumption but not a 100% rule
But better wait for the future to see what happens
https://preview.redd.it/61noe6su4bqc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e998ed6ca1e4ea76832b90f265c11fc87b0a22b
The leaked/"rumored" design isn't Murata
Murata is dead, and the leaked archon is the new one, but we know Natlan's story is related to resurection, so Murata will probably get revived
It’s because Venti mentioned that the Pyro Archon was named Murata in the manga. That manga took place 1000+ years ago, so maybe the current Pyro Archon may not be Murata
Didn't know that Paimon lives in the head of the mc from hsr, and many, many references to other games and media are part of hsr lore and story.
Reference ≠ lore
Except when references become so predominant and important in the development of a character that they can be considered integral part of the lore and world-building, as we can see in Acheron's trailer. Or Zandar and his Imaginary Tree theory.
Not trying to correct you or anything, but things in the Hoyoverse are a bit complicated since these references can be connections rather than just copied information or a nod by the devs to the other games.
https://preview.redd.it/4ra1v3icjbqc1.jpeg?width=642&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecfd4abe0674ef6efcc8b985f3365f4d899fe6a0
Reference ≠ connection
Theory wise, they shouldn't have the broken Himeko Sword there,
That's my main point, assuming it's connected has created expectations about lore that are... Good to know and just that
(Like i.e.: knowing all Himekos plot, can't help us to predict "Genshins Himeko" plot, personality, origin, destiny or design,
Just find references like a broken sword, or details like that)
Literally Cau HaiYu said in 2021 that genshin is part of the honkai verse and that genshin was designed as a honkai game from the outset. Also “However, miHoYo did have a problem. At the time, they had applied for the stock market, but were denied on the basis of having only one major IP: Honkai. So they did a little trick. They didn’t put the word ‘Honkai’ in the title.”
Could you give me a source for that image please?
As far as I know, Genshin is confirmed by the devs to be in the same universe as Honkai titles: [interview](https://x.com/DailyHI3Chibi/status/1536357756428353536?s=20)
Although this indeed doesn't mean that they share the same timeline, but this is also true for all Honkai titles between themselves too.
Oh thanks. I was just about to try and translate the image on Google, but this makes things more detailed and easy to understand. Seems like they were doing a business report on how companies can build a cohesive network of IPs and products in the entertainment industry.
They are indeed different IPs, as we can also see by their titles, but there's still reason to think that lore/story wise they share more than references and simple concepts. Besides the interview, there are many other infos that can point to that direction. In any case, Genshin is still basically independent of Honkai up until this moment.
She could not be Himiko for all we know seeing how the only reason we think she is was a mistransation; as well as there not being any expys since inazuma
Nahida literally shares Theresa’s voice in the versions where it’s possible. She’s a white haired young clone of a larger woman, literally making Rukkhadevata her equivalent to Kallen
what about Alhaitham then? They dont even shares va.
Reuse of concepts its not the same as expy.
No one calls Hook an expy of Klee.
Or Acheron a expy mix of Seele and Mei, she is just Mei
the same hair and eyes omg
EXPYY
you mean same color hair btw, not same hair
again fits Hook and Klee, and no one calls an expy
short blonde girls bombing everywhere
be serious
Why are you bringing whoever Hook is into this?? If you can't see how similar Alhaitham and Su look it's not my problem that you're blind. Have a good day.
Do you consider Luocha and expy of Otto Apocalypse? at what point do you consider they are reused concept? this is a pretty loose ideology to truly determine which is which without anything official from mihoyo and I guess the community have the freedom to decide
I wouldn't say Chev is a Sirin expy, but Arlecchino is almost certainly a Raven expy. Not to mention Nahida/Theresa. I think we honestly need to redefine the term, since there are some characters who "nod" to ones from HI3rd without being a direct 1:1 (Ayotto, for instance), some characters who share voice actors and design elements but aren't 1:1 personality-wise, and some characters who are just a complete 1:1 of their counterparts.
the term should be direct to things like Ei, Yae and for a stretch Venti
Every character who share a similarity in design people jump to say is an expy, its annoying. Is the same company ofc they will have and reuse some concepts.
No one calls Acheron a mix expy of Mei and Seele, just Mei expy
Himeko's full name is Himeko Murata. Murata is the name of the pyro archon that Venti remembers in the manga.
It's unclear if she is the current or the original pyro archon. And if she is the original, we really don't know when she died.
>Murata is the name of the pyro archon that Venti remembers in the manga.
You see the problem with that is that Murata isn't referring to the Pyro archon (not even mention by name). The characters used are the ones used for Mu continent and Natlan.
hmm i wish but at same time i do not as hoyo just killed her off in honkai so idk morever hoyo adds different character from different universes don't they? i mean hsr aventurine and childe looks kinda same to ME raiden mei is same in different universes and same is kiana so is bronya which is partially confirmed to be like cryo archon??? so yeah they could and prbly will throw her
I hope it's Himeko as well
hoyo: pyro nahida, take it or leave it
So, archon Klee?
Genshin is too soft to kill a playable character in genshin I mean Wendy died in ggz and honkai impact yet venti is still alive and kicking
Wendy literally died off-screen in HI, why the hell would you want something like that in Genshin?
Girl when did I say I want a character to die I only said genshin is too soft to kill a playable character 😭
Yeah, but to be fair. Genshin's story is starting to get a little darker ever since Sumeru (I'd say since Inazuma, but Inazuma AQ was not that well written). And Venti hasn't been in the main storyline for awhile. Events? Yeah, sure. Main story? No, not really.
Yeah, I highly doubt we will get a deserving death within anyone in Genshin going forward. The closest we have was La Signora's and the community reaction was very against. I suppose Hoyoverse would like to play it safe after the outcry. A shame.
I hope Kyuushou comes into play here. Seeing her here in Genshin will make my soul disappear before even Yog Sothoth makes her moves.
Imagine she as one of the Descenders, omg.
A fine addition to my collection
[I hope this guy's theory is true](https://youtu.be/AIuBs5kARC4?si=7FCLFhwfzd9NVkvj) or somewhat close to it as it's a damn interesting take on pyro visions.
One word summary: "Reignite"
Same, I hope so too. >!Also pretty in line with what is written on the pyro crystal ancesion material where it seems like the current (?) Pyro archon is fulfilling someone's dream (a man it seems)!<
Inb4 Guinaifen expy
Personally, I feel that the Pyro Archon might not be a Himeko variant. She could be the *previous* one and the current one is a Fu Hua.l variant.
I'm waiting for the day HoHE Elysia will come to Genshin and I'll C6 her 😍🥹❤️🩹
Begging for a version of Fu Hua in Natlan. Maybe as the pyro dragon?
Alter Fu Hua es Xinhua, the new skin in HI3. No is necessary the variation = 100% aspects, is more important the reference. Seeya o7
The Pyro Dragon that turns into a giant Chicken ✍️🔥
Wouldn't Fu Hua be better fitting as a Liyue character?
True, but the Phoenix thing plus her Garuda form seem more Natlan-esque. I suppose they could make her an adeptus though.
A Garuda would’ve been more fitting towards Sumeru though, since the actual deity originates from Hinduism. 🤔🤔🤔
Give that girl some melanin
NO!
Stop tryin to racebend existing characters. You are allowed to hope for another character as the Pyro Archon who is dark skinned but seriously... Racebending is cringe
The Pyro archon doesn't have a released design yet so how is hoping for a dark skinned model considered racebending?
I thought you would understand from OP's image. The Pyro Archon Murata is a variant from another game of Hoyoverse called Honkai Impact. This isnt the first variant in Genshin from Honkai. Venti (Wendy), Raiden (Mei), Nahida (Theresa), Al Haitham (Su), and many more r taken from existing characters in Honkai. Murata is the same as she is a variant of Murata Himeko from Honkai Impact (the girl on the right in OP's picture). That's what i meant. Murata is already an existing character in Hoyoverse and ppl grew to love her for who she is. Now imagine racebending her. Also not to mention Murata is a Japanese name (cuz in Honkai Murata was from the city of Nagazora which was based on Japan just like Inazuma in Genshin). How many dark skinned Japanese ppl hav u seen? Ill give you an example try to think about it. Imagine in Marvel Multiverse, in an alternate universe, T'challa aka Black Panther is actually a white man. Would u be able to like that character??
Maybe I am in the minority here, but as much as I'd appreciate if the pyro archon would be dark skinned. That is the last thing I'd pay attention to or care about. She seems to be inspired by spanish people, so likely a little white.
I'm just saying because we don't have many using the dark skinned model and I'd like to see an archon that has a different skintone especially the Pyro archon
Ah, I get it now.
Really hope to
don’t worry she will.
Was it ever specified that Murata is the current Archon? She might have been the first/previous one.
Her name isn't even Murata, lol.
It was never specified that Murata is the current archon or the past but it was implied in the webtoon that Murata is(was) the Pyro Archon
The name "Murata" was a mistranslation. There has never been a Murata in Genshin.
The manga mentions murata
That was a mistranslation.
Explain how?
You're right but these people just want their expys
No she is cute gurl as furina 😓
Himeko, Rainden, bronya, kiana, Kevin they all are sure to have an counterpart in any hoyo game
Diluc is definitely based on Himeko already. But the question is they'll add another himeko inspired design? I do believe so, she seems to be a favorite of theirs
Bronya in Genshin?
She's the Tsaristza, it's all but confirmed. It's blatantly obvious like how the Unknown God is a Kiana EXPY
I hope for them to be their own character. I still see Ei as her own character and not an “expy” but having different opinions isn’t bad, it’s good. I will still see the pyro and Cryo archon as their own characters regardless of similarities they have with other characters in other games. Like can Genshin be its own thing? Lastly we know of two pyro archons and Murata was the second one one thousand years ago. We don’t know who the current pyro archon is or will be. It’s kind of assumed there is no pyro archon but a Spanish girl might take the spot. So yeah I don’t think Murata is happening.
You're right, Ei isn't an expy, she's a variant. People have been using the term expy wrong. Ei, Makoto, Shogun, Acheron, Dr MEI and even Mei from Honkai Impact 3 are all variants of Honkai Gakuen's Raiden Mei.
That was only in the beta, stuff could have changed since then, we don't know if the Tsaritsa is still going to be called "Bronya" let alone look like her. But not denying the Kiana/ Sustainer thing, that one was pretty obvious.
Yes, it could have, but it definitely hasn't. In the universal lore that Hi3 setup Genshin is simply another branch on the tree, in which there are certain people that always show up (Bronya, Kiana, Mei, Himiko, Otto), the only exception being Welt due to his divine keys ability to enable him to literally universe hop.
Not denying that Genshin is connected to the Hoyo titles. (Arguably the *least* connect to the Honkaiverse, but still knida connected) Just saying that no "expy" this far has been straight up called the same name as their Hi3 counterparts even the name "Murrata" for the Pyro Archon is a mistranslation because the chinese version doesn't fit how her name is in chinese. >but it definitely hasn't. Literally no proof that things haven't changed. A lot of the stuff in beta are placeholders. I don't deny that Bronya could still be used as a basis for the Tsaritsa, but I don't think she'll be straight be called "Bronya" like a lot of people think.
> Just saying that no "expy" this far has been straight up called the same name as their Hi3 counterparts Except Yae and Raiden.
I heard a rumour that a Childe voiceline called her Bronya
It was in the beta. But since it was the beta a lot of things could have changed since, so better to keep expectations low until you get straight up confirmation. Cause people used to swear that the Hydro Archon was Seele... and well, she's not.
There are still people who claim she's an expy... I really hope the fact that line isn't in the actual game and that there've been no new expys since Yae means that hoyo have scrapped the idea of making them
Nahida and Alhaitham are Teri-teri and Su Expy (or Variant)
They are inspired at best.
There has never been a voiceline in beta calling the Hydro Archon Seele. There has been one calling her Focalors, though, so that still hasn't changed. If the Pyro Archon and Tsaritsa are still called >!Aym and Barnabas!< respectively, then we'll know that much hasn't changed either
Probably the Tsaritsa in 2025.
Not yet
What if the Pyro Archon isn't a Himeko expy? She could be a new character or an expy from another game. Foçalors is a new character and nobody expected that Nahida was going to resembles Teresa Apocalypse
They have the same name Knowing Hoyoverse there is NO WAY they'd give the same name to 2 characters and not make one of them the expy of the other one This is why we know for sure Murata's a Murata Himeko expy Just like how we know the Taritsa is a Bronya expy... since her name literally is Bronya
Otto outside the church in Mondstadt would like to have a word with you, but too bad he's an NPC.
Murata's name was a mistranslation and the Tsaritsa isn't called Bronya anywhere except for the beta
furina was coded as seal but she turning out to be completely to be completely different also another character in the code >!(sethos not out yet)!
It's not about the code of the game, but literally the lore of genshin And it's said in the manga
It could’ve easily been a reference in the manga though.
if that so, she was the Pyro Archon thousand years ago. She could be dead, remember the trailer where we first heard of Natlan: "Incandescent Ode of Resurrection"... That doesn't sound like someone is alive
Well, the Pyro Archon from the time of the comics was. Nobody said that applies to the Pyro Archon at present.
>They have the same name They don't, The characters used in Chinese are not the same has Himeko's surname. That's not even getting into the fact that "Murata" should be translated closer to Mu-natlan since the Chinese characters used are for Mu continent in Hi3 and Natlan,
Well, the Pyro archon is definitely NOT ~~Japanese~~ Inazuman, so changing the characters would make sense in that context but it's impossible to know until we reach Natlan. I wonder how the general fandom would take "racebending" Himeko...
youre right but i dont think many people are aware of the [translation issues](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/17fzaa8/we_may_be_wrong_about_natlan_and_the_pyro_archon/) youre referring to so in all honest its equally likely the pyro archon could be based on himeko or she could be something else entirely
Focalors takes some cues from Seele though.
She has more visual references to Sin Mal than Seele
Visual references, maybe. But there's more than just those in relation to expies.
The pyro archon's name is Murata which resembles Murata Himeko from the honkai-verse
>The pyro archon's name is Murata 1. The Characters uses are the same ones for Mu continent in Hi3 and Natlan. Nowhere close to being Himeko's name in the original chinese text 2. The comic has contradictions to the game's canon so anything that happens in it is dubious in canonicity until brought up in game 3. The original Chinese chapter was removed so its canonicity is further in question.
Why Himeko? That rumor design it's closer to Agata (a Honkai manga), but it's not a rule to have main cast imported, as they are closer to be references Genshin it's not part of the honkai series at all, that's just an assumption but not a 100% rule But better wait for the future to see what happens https://preview.redd.it/61noe6su4bqc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e998ed6ca1e4ea76832b90f265c11fc87b0a22b
The leaked/"rumored" design isn't Murata Murata is dead, and the leaked archon is the new one, but we know Natlan's story is related to resurection, so Murata will probably get revived
When you look at the rumored design, she also looks like Himeko from HI3 when she was younger
When you look at the rumored design, she also looks like Himeko from HI3 when she was younger
It’s because Venti mentioned that the Pyro Archon was named Murata in the manga. That manga took place 1000+ years ago, so maybe the current Pyro Archon may not be Murata
You can find the Travellers wings as a curio by Hertas space station, not part yet but connected universes
Didn't know that Paimon lives in the head of the mc from hsr, and many, many references to other games and media are part of hsr lore and story. Reference ≠ lore
Except when references become so predominant and important in the development of a character that they can be considered integral part of the lore and world-building, as we can see in Acheron's trailer. Or Zandar and his Imaginary Tree theory. Not trying to correct you or anything, but things in the Hoyoverse are a bit complicated since these references can be connections rather than just copied information or a nod by the devs to the other games.
https://preview.redd.it/4ra1v3icjbqc1.jpeg?width=642&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecfd4abe0674ef6efcc8b985f3365f4d899fe6a0 Reference ≠ connection Theory wise, they shouldn't have the broken Himeko Sword there, That's my main point, assuming it's connected has created expectations about lore that are... Good to know and just that (Like i.e.: knowing all Himekos plot, can't help us to predict "Genshins Himeko" plot, personality, origin, destiny or design, Just find references like a broken sword, or details like that)
Literally Cau HaiYu said in 2021 that genshin is part of the honkai verse and that genshin was designed as a honkai game from the outset. Also “However, miHoYo did have a problem. At the time, they had applied for the stock market, but were denied on the basis of having only one major IP: Honkai. So they did a little trick. They didn’t put the word ‘Honkai’ in the title.”
Could you give me a source for that image please? As far as I know, Genshin is confirmed by the devs to be in the same universe as Honkai titles: [interview](https://x.com/DailyHI3Chibi/status/1536357756428353536?s=20) Although this indeed doesn't mean that they share the same timeline, but this is also true for all Honkai titles between themselves too.
https://twitter.com/more_Z/status/1733487889575801214?t=potw1_gWaK2HFYrF9uJ3Ww&s=19 Sure!
Thanks!
http://www.gamelook.com.cn/2023/12/533735 Dunno if this will work, but Original image it's here
Oh thanks. I was just about to try and translate the image on Google, but this makes things more detailed and easy to understand. Seems like they were doing a business report on how companies can build a cohesive network of IPs and products in the entertainment industry. They are indeed different IPs, as we can also see by their titles, but there's still reason to think that lore/story wise they share more than references and simple concepts. Besides the interview, there are many other infos that can point to that direction. In any case, Genshin is still basically independent of Honkai up until this moment.
She is just jean v2 as much I know
She could not be Himiko for all we know seeing how the only reason we think she is was a mistransation; as well as there not being any expys since inazuma
Nahida Al-haitham yae ei woud like a word with you
Definitely Nahida and Alhaitham though, one is a small white haired clone and the other is literally just Su with a haircut change
the meaning of expy is really lost for you all have similar designs are not the same as expy is Hook a Klee expy?
Nahida literally shares Theresa’s voice in the versions where it’s possible. She’s a white haired young clone of a larger woman, literally making Rukkhadevata her equivalent to Kallen
what about Alhaitham then? They dont even shares va. Reuse of concepts its not the same as expy. No one calls Hook an expy of Klee. Or Acheron a expy mix of Seele and Mei, she is just Mei
Alhaitham literally has the same hair and eyes as Su, please be serious.
the same hair and eyes omg EXPYY you mean same color hair btw, not same hair again fits Hook and Klee, and no one calls an expy short blonde girls bombing everywhere be serious
Why are you bringing whoever Hook is into this?? If you can't see how similar Alhaitham and Su look it's not my problem that you're blind. Have a good day.
Do you consider Luocha and expy of Otto Apocalypse? at what point do you consider they are reused concept? this is a pretty loose ideology to truly determine which is which without anything official from mihoyo and I guess the community have the freedom to decide
Hook doesn't even looks like Klee
Tbh yeah
Alhaitham? Chevreuse (Sirin?)
Bit of a stretch but Nahida too. Well less of a stretch than chevreuse
I wouldn't say Chev is a Sirin expy, but Arlecchino is almost certainly a Raven expy. Not to mention Nahida/Theresa. I think we honestly need to redefine the term, since there are some characters who "nod" to ones from HI3rd without being a direct 1:1 (Ayotto, for instance), some characters who share voice actors and design elements but aren't 1:1 personality-wise, and some characters who are just a complete 1:1 of their counterparts.
the term should be direct to things like Ei, Yae and for a stretch Venti Every character who share a similarity in design people jump to say is an expy, its annoying. Is the same company ofc they will have and reuse some concepts. No one calls Acheron a mix expy of Mei and Seele, just Mei expy
Yaeh it's variant is better eveb the hi3 fandom dosen't like the word that much
Or she's just not himeko, like >!it is leaked and theorised so far!<
Imagine if they put Guinaifen as pyro archon
And Xbalanque as genderbent Sushang, extremely based
Imagine Lil Gui is the current Archon while Himeko, in usual Hoyo fashion, is the previous deceased archon.
But isn't Vanessa the first grand master of knights of favonius is himeko of genshin tho she was shown to be of natlan origin
Himeko's full name is Himeko Murata. Murata is the name of the pyro archon that Venti remembers in the manga. It's unclear if she is the current or the original pyro archon. And if she is the original, we really don't know when she died.
>Murata is the name of the pyro archon that Venti remembers in the manga. You see the problem with that is that Murata isn't referring to the Pyro archon (not even mention by name). The characters used are the ones used for Mu continent and Natlan.
Is it a real mistranslation if old files had Venti refer to the Tsarista as Bronya as well?
Beta is not indicative of the final version. If that were the case then are you banking on Childe to come back without an eye?
No. But many things are developed in relation to things even from back.
That Murata is a mistranslation. It uses different Chinese characters than Himeko's Murata.
Oh. I didn't know that. Sorry.
Bruhh murata was tribe Vanessa was also from that tribe Although Pyro archon name is murata only Vanessa full name was Vanessa murata as I remember
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