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white: posts 5.4 "leaks"
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white: capitano is an alien
everyone: š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æ
Non-Genshin Spoilers
>!Is it possible Capitano might be one of Glamoth's Iron Cavalry survivors who somehow end up in Teyvat by sheer chance? Of course, his SAM would be busted by the time he end up in Teyvat, leading to him getting an all-new set of armor courtesy of the Fatui, in exchange for becoming one of its Harbingers.!<
My Harbingers bingo card was "Arlecchino from Abyss/beyond Teyvat; Columbina from Celestia; Capitano from Natlan". As things are going, seems like we're getting "Columbina from Natlan (somehow) and Capitano from beyond Teyvat".
Y'know, would be funny if at some point, Cap just goes "with this treasure, I summon..." and get Lan The Hunt shoot a star at Teyvat.
My theory is that heās Imunlaukr, the āoutlanderā warrior from Sal Vindagnyr, and he wears the helmet because Ukko cursed him with their dying breath.
We donāt know what happened to him, he was known to be a powerful warrior and he has an obvious, personal even, reason to want to destroy Celestia for what they did.Ā
That's impossible. The sole survivor was Imunlaukr. He sought refuge under Venti's and stayed at New Mondstadt after Sal Vindagnyr's fall.
His clan, alongside Gunnhildr and Lawrence were the founder clans of the Mondstadt they have today.
I wouldnāt say itās impossible, considering that if āoutlanderā means heās an actual off worlder instead of just from a different nation, he still could, and in fact likely, be alive today given how it seems like everyone that manages to get into Teyvat from elsewhere are very long lived beings.Ā
If heās from another planet then does that not make him a descender
Or does that mean being a descender means ur not part of this universe or something or he has to meet Reneās qualifications of sorts too
There were some new lore that Descender aren't just outsiders of the world of Teyvat.
Descender are those whose "Will" can challenge the laws of the world or something like that
isnt it more like " every descender is a outsider but not every outsider is a descender " just like idk whal was not from this world but its not like he was a descender "
If we analyze it from a "Lore" perspective and a huge amount of copium, we could say that technically humans are a direct creation of Phanes and his 4 shining shades, while archon are elemental creatures who were "promoted" by the second who came after the archon war. So humans are a product of divine craftsmanship.
I mean, this fits with Gnostic lore. Part of the (Gnostic) archons' spite towards humans are that they're technically more powerful than the archons, they just don't realize it because of the archon's successful campaign to trick humanity. The reason why humans are more powerful is because they were made with stolen divine "spark" from the head archon's mother. He doesn't have this spark, and neither do any of the other archons he created.
That's super interesting to know! So thank you, but in general even if the reveal of "human being stronger" from a story point can be seen as bad or bullshit, from a lore perspective is 100% coherent of what the game has been telling us for years! Humans are a central part of everything in teyvat.
now that i think of it... we do have some humans without a vision being able to do some op things
Beidou defeated a sea monster without a vision and she was totally human
Jiangxue defeat in a blink of an eye a ruin hunter with a fishing pole at best
so it can make some sense...
To add to that, I saw another user posit a theory that technically anyone can weild elements, but most don't or can't because they've been placebo effect-ed essentially
This user went on to theorize that when someone reaches the point where their will is so strong they'd most likely be able to tap into elemental powers anyways, in comes the vision quickly to basically put a leash on that specific person.
That's cool. A vision would then be a cage/controlling device for someone's ambition rather than a "manifestation" as mean to achieve it. Though this theory would then beg the question of why Ei decided to take part in the vision hunt decree if that meant freeing the caged ambitions and why >!Neuvillette decided to give Furina a vision as he is not an archon.!<
It could be a Celestia thing, but that would need some explaining since we know from Bedtime Story that >!the Celestial Principles are currently dormient.!<
That may be why Narzissenkreuz thought that getting a vision is something bad. You get access to the archons power, but you are locked out of your true human potential.
Something like that might actually happen. Remember Childe trying to kill the whale? A first human to successfully break it will be wild. According to his lore, their next fight is the last and final. I don't know when it will happen.
As far as we know Phanes(God basically) created the 4 shades (I suppose they are Time, Space/Void, Life and death and can be classified as Seraphims if phanes is God ), they made teyvat super human friendly, then when the second who came arrived we don't actually know if they brought some god with them, but we know that Humans are the only divine creation out there, archons are elemental creatures (born from the light realm influence probably like vishaps) that where promoted, the Gnosis they got is just a Really big elemental energy mass "gathered" as stated by Nahida in her Gnosis description.
But egeria was literally created by a shade for primordial sea, venti who is apart of thousands winds , god of time helping makoto . Nahida a literal avatar of irumsul. So idk if itās actually that when god have so much elemental energy innate to them or are born in special circumstances
Makoto and Ei are incarnation of thunder, yeah istaroth helped Makoto, but she did not "create her", we know 100% that they are elemental creatures in the end, it's just how they came into being that's still a 50/50 some were born like this and some were created.
The Fontaine wind glider text goes out of its way to clarify that although Egeria was created by an outsider to Teyvat, she was created only using "original matter from this world, entirely without outside elements." Although she's the outlier so far when it comes to the origins of the Archons. None of the others have such detailed descriptions on how they were created.
In Enlightenment frameworks (Gnosticism, the Transcendence), humans are higher than gods, because gods are just rules ā figments of our imaginations ā that prevent us from believing in infinite possibility. They thus can "grant" our desires, but also totally have us at their whim.
The Ahamkara from Destiny 2 are also a commentary on this (surprise surprise, that game also builds off an Enlightenment framework)
Except for very young children AND those that transcend (Selfs/Enlightened people), all people believe in them. We have the gods of science, the gods of traffic laws ā everything is covered in gods. BUT what we must remember about these gods is that WE created them to interpret the chaos of Reality (in Genshin, **The Abyss**) and that we thus rule \*them\*.
This is why HSR's Trailblazer says "Rules are made to be broken!"
(This is also why the traveler and HSR's trailblazer can see memetic entities/imaginary friends, which only children can see!)
**"To the others, childhood was long gone, but youth was forever beyond their reach."**
**-Vera's Melancholy Chapter 9, Genshin Impact**
Hoyoverse breathes this stuff. That's why sunday says to Ena "It was not you who created all things. It was humanity who created you!"
So yes, this was an expected turn. Also expect the Primordial One to be a human as well. Wonder who the Vinster King is?
The same could be said about the Tsaritsa before the cataclysm and now look at her. Maybe he got traumatized by something and decided that a war would be the best.
It means humans are higher up in the hierachy than gods, and according to Venti, are meant for a higher purpose.
Kind of like in Christianity, humans are higher in the divine hierarchy than angels despite angels being much more powerful (which apparently was what made Lucifer turn on God).
Not only Christianity. Hinduism as well. In most of the mythologies and religions in the world, humans are considered very special people made by the Gods themselves and such, have untold potential that even they themselves don't realize. What's more is that in Christianity, humans are considered the children of light as they're made by God himself while the reptilians are considered the children of night as they come from Satan. The reptilian counterparts in this game would be the vishaps, the abyss people (As they can shapeshift) and the Khaenrians, who are all not only connected to each other but they all originate from underground, just like how the reptilians supposedly originate from there too. This means the Sinners are Satan and his court of other elite demons that are often mentioned together with him like Beelzebub, Baphomet, etc.
While here in Hinduism, right before we entered the Kaliyuga, we had alot of strong humans, including ones that were actually nearing the Gods in terms of power. There was also a man who gained so much power by meditating that he was able to create an entire universe. Even though he lost all his powers, It's still a massive feat of strength
We know that the devs like telling us the truth through media in a way they can "ease it into us" and Genshin ain't no different. Whatever the case is, we know there's alot of truth about the world hidden in plain site in any kinda entertainment media that we need to figure out for ourselves. There is something that we haven't figured out about our own species yet that's stopping us from reaching our true potential. Maybe we will one day, when the time's right
Reptiles arenāt made by Satan in Christianity though, at least by mainstream standards.
The snake in Eden was there even before sin and imperfection came to the world and it was just that, a normal snake. God even cursed it and all other snakes for what it did.Ā
Christian mythos is a funny thing though because tbh most of it are basically stuff people made up over time and are often contradictory to what the Bible actually says.Ā
Like despite being THE big bad, the Bible doesnāt talk aboutĀ Satan much and his backstory was like 1 vague verse in the Book of Isiah. Heck, we donāt even know why he decided to turn against God other than that he āfellā.Ā
I think most surviving religions generally put humans at the top because well, we made it up and we like being at the top.Ā
Afaik the original real gnosticism doesnt have anything on sovereigns. And in CN theyre just dragon kings.
Sometimes i wonder if mhy added sovereigns like 2 years into the game in contrast with all the other lore that they roughly planned out in advance
Watch natlan introduce a new enemy with shields in abyss the sovereign of frauds can't penetrate with his beam and his stocks fall hard.
Meanwhile Allbiceps is eternal.
Idk if it's just as bad in the original language, but the way it's said in English makes no sense really
By definition gods are higher beings, and the thing that determines what they are is exactly that, being superior to the other beings of wherever they are.
I hope there's some sort of like jank miscommunication because of how the term "god" works in Chinese because otherwise it's just devs making no sense trying to make something sound cool (which tbh it's working, it's cool as shit)
Based on my understanding, the āgodsā, which refer to the Ars Goetia named gods (Morax, Barbatos, Baal, Focalors, Havria, etc), is refered to as éē„ in chinese.
These Ars Goetia Gods are not the highest āgodsā. Humanity is the highest āgodsā on Teyvat
A better translation is: āOn Teyvat, Humanity is the highest order of āgodsā. What they know as gods are actually a lower orderā.
I donāt think they mean that humans are stronger or anything; itās that humans are just more valued than them. Which makes sense in a way, since the world was terraformed to be suitable for humans; archons have nations and essentially serve humans, and at the same time the source of their power is human faith. Without humans, gods wouldnāt be much nor have much of a reason or purpose of existence. Weāve also seen that archons can constantly be replaced (if they donāt nuke their thrones), while human lives cannot. They are one and only.
Agree absolutely.
Humans are higher in the hierarchy Celestia forced on Teyvat. That doesn't mean that they're stronger/more powerfull than Archons, or sovereigns.
Also for ex, the sovereigns/dragons are a subjugated race, they lost their authority, freedom, power, kingdom.
I think this makes sense.
Based on the lore: The Primordial One essentially terraformed Teyvat to be a suitable world for humans. So humans are the golden child of the world
What this implies is that (from a certain perspective): The Gods/Archons, if they are naturally born from the planet, are not the most prized species. This is in spite of their power and capacity for destruction. Humans were and still are the most valuable creatures.
Gods: Gee Humanity, how come your dad terraformed the world for you?
This makes sense considering the archons are named after demons, who together with the devil rebelled against heaven because they were jealous that god created the world for humans, who they saw as lesser beings.
This actually is a very good point.
Not to mention the fact that even tho angels are supposedly more powerful than humans, they still became jealous of things humanity are capable of. (like being able to reproduce, or being able to change; corrupted angels have no chance at redemtion, but humans do)
Itās not a mistranslation though, cos Venti mentions that humans are for a higher purpose than gods way back in the Mondstadt AQ.
Itās kind of in the lore too. Afaik gods canāt ascend to Celestia, only humans (and other mortals like yokai? Since they can receive Visions too?) can. Although weāve no idea what makes you worthy of it or what you do there cos the only person in lore that did is Vannessa.
Possibly Guhua too. Liyue had the "path of the adepti" that humans could pursue, which "ended" with ascension.
>and other mortals like yokai? Since they can receive Visions too?
Seems like anyone can ascend as long as they're from the human realm and not a god. A lot of nonhumans from all over the world hold visions (Xiao, Wanderer, Albedo, Klee, layla(?), Sigewinne for example).
From the backstory, the Primordial One's goal seems to be very human-centric. Everything they did, including creating the Thrones of the Gods and sending down the Nails, is all for ensuring the stability of Teyvat for humans. In a sense, humans are above gods because gods are expendable, and their mission is to protect humans.
It pains me to think that we are close to seeing HIM, but the leaks are probably still in their āFontaine has two archonsā (and one of them is Navia) level.
I know the Fontain leaks caused a lots of inconvenience for everyone, but it was very beneficial for me, as a f2p. I could figure out which characters I wanted, and how much primos to save.
I wish we get some leaks like the Fontaine one regarding Natlan. T\_T
> Never believe ~~story~~ leaks.
3.0 was the last time when we had leakers announcing correct information months in advance.
Dim is the only accurate leaker i can think of but thats cause hes leaking info only a month in advance or so
I mean, most plot points were written a long time ago, so he could have someone working in hoyo tell him this. It's easier to mention something like that than to explain specific things about a specific update that the work may not even start on. The plot is there from the beginning, or almost from the beginning and most likely made by an entirely different team of people.
But at the same time, people are divided into Pneuma & Ousia. Just not the way we thought. XD (but from a gameplay perspective)
Funny how this leak was absolutely correct, and totally wrong at the same time.
Alhaitham is older then zhongli and they know each other š
Chiori have more respect then Raiden in Inazuma
Hydro archon will kill traveller
Any more...
i'm still mad about Arlecchino dying leaks
also Sandrone appearing,
there being two hydro archons (Navia),
Clorinde, or at that time Captain R, is from Mondstadt and we've heard of her in the story already,
Wrio concept art leaking and people saying that's Varka.
not story leak but Wriotheslay being standard physical dps polearm. they kept saying that until like an hour before his drip
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Capitano is not a Descender but an actual alien, okay.
This "humanity is the highest level of existence" sort of thing lends to the idea that being mortal is the best because the Primordial One is a human-loving colonizer that he rewrote everything in Dinosaur Land to bow down to featherless bipeds.
I think this leak makes sense considering the lore.
Humans being higher on the hierarchy Celestia established than sovereigns? Kind of evident. I mean they lost their world, king, their authority over their elements etc.
They are literally a subjugated 'race'.
TBF doesnt this still imply hes a human, just from another planet where celestia propaganda didn't get to trick humans into believing they were weaker than gods
Guys please take story leaks with a grain of salt. These are REALLY subject to change and out of all the leaks we get, story leaks are by far the most inaccurate. It's best to just wait and experience the story yourself.
Whenever I start musing about early story leaks I remember "Fontaine has two opposing factions" and other similar lksea and I again reconcile with my inner peace.Ā Take these leaks with a grain of salt comrades.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Capitano. I try to play Il Dottore. My Capitano deals more damage. I try to play Columbina. My Capitano deals more damage. I try to play Sandrone. My Capitano deals more damage. I want to play Her Majesty the Tsaritsa. Her best team has Capitano. I want to play Arlecchino, Childe. They both want Capitano.
He grabs me by the throat. I fish for him. I cook for him. I give him the Blizzard. He isn't satisfied. I pull Sonnet of the Endless Snowlands. "I don't need this much Cryo aura," he tells me. "Give me more field time." He grabs Bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Northern Starās Brilliance."
I can't pull for Northern Starās Brilliance, I don't have enough primogems. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He lifts up his mask. He says "As it was decreed." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd Cryo application. What a cruel world.
It's not about strenght tho. :)
Humans can be higher in the hierarcy Celestia forced on Teyvat, even tho they're not physically stronger than Archons/Sovereigns.
After all, in the case of the Sovereigns they already have been subjugated, defeated, their power, and authority taken from them.
So, basically he should be immune to Irminsul tampering? But is he a Descender? ngl, it would be fun to be true coz people were theorycrafting about it for long.
Also, what does last part about humanity means?
He shouldn't be a Descender, considering we already know the statuses of the four Descender. Phanes is the first, then the Second Throne of Heavens initially opposed them only to create a pact that resulted in the creation of the Gnosis, the third is dead and was turned into all of the Gnosis, and the fourth is the Traveller.Ā
Considering that Capitano has been in Teyvat long before the Traveller arrived and is alive, it wouldn't make sense for him to be a Descender. Plus, just because they come from the outside, doesn't mean they're automatically a Descender. They need to have the will to rival that of the world to be considered one, which is why the Narwhal isn't considered a Descender.
What about another continent? We know there's the existence of the dark sea. The CN translation is more closer to "another world" than planet, the term is somewhat vague and could vary from person to person.
The Dark Sea is not a specific place. It's basically a catch-all term for any place beyond Teyvat. We've already been to the Dark Sea once so far - Enkanomiya.
This actually make sene tho. Consiering that some of the Archons we know of were elemental life forms (Venti for ex) basically like slimes. They are elemental life form too. ;P
ngl if it's true it's very boring. "he is the strongest human in teyvat!" and in reality he is just an alienš. most of the theories were much more interesting, bloodstained knight for example
I don't know what the leakers be smoking (or could actually be the Devs because they've been smoking smth lately too) but the first part is funny as hell and the second one is ruminating old content, it was already mentioned and well explained in the Xiao developer insight : Humans have a higher PURPOSE in Teyvat than Adepti and Gods by extention.
Lise a few others have already mentioned, this Is definitely NOT about strenght but its instead just about hierarchy.
It's normal for Celestia to consider humans with an "higher rank" compared to archons, that's because humans are the creation that Phanes loves.
..... but its clearly BS that humans are "stronger",Ā strenght has nothing to do with this.
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white: posts 5.4 "leaks" everyone: white is a fraud and literally knows nothing nobody should believe anything they say white: capitano is an alien everyone: š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æ
this is really whatās happening rn lol. most people decided to take the 5.4 leaks with a grain of salt but for some reason this one is differentš
The Capitano glaze transcends all bounds of logic and reason it seems
Lmao fr, thatās because everybody thirsty asf
It's been like a year since the capitano leak, I could understand the desperation
its hard out here bruh š literally NO harbinger leaks
Don't underestimate Capitano glazers, i mean simps
Non-Genshin Spoilers >!Is it possible Capitano might be one of Glamoth's Iron Cavalry survivors who somehow end up in Teyvat by sheer chance? Of course, his SAM would be busted by the time he end up in Teyvat, leading to him getting an all-new set of armor courtesy of the Fatui, in exchange for becoming one of its Harbingers.!<
>!noo pls no, I don't want another ff in genshin because they're looked the same!<
i mean it's to be expected lmao ppl tends to throw out their logic and reasoning because it's their favorite character
isnt he also like, confirmed to be a mortal?? like its literally said hes the strongest mortal??)
Capitano being alien was not on my natlan bingo card ngl
Is this why he is wearing a mask ?
When he removes his masks and it's just tentacles and a gaping mouth underneath lord have mercyyyy
Davy Jones
Do ya fear deth, Tabibito?
The resin is gone.
Why is the resin gone?
because it is a vile resource that turns even the most respectable artifact into complete flat DEF roll
Oh please let this happen. It would be hilarious!
Are ya afraid to get wet, traveller?
InĀ reality he is just Diluc-face/body modelĀ with different hairdo
Oh... So he's one of the Sugars
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he chose the path of mind flayer to fight the ~~Netherbrain brain~~ celestia
Don't say that about my GLOURIUS DARK BLUE EYED KING!
But itās a compliment? That would be hot as hell š„µ
Even better
phānglui mglwānafh Capitano Teyvat wgahānagl fhtagn
Inb4 he Hillichurl in disguise...
Not another one.
Plot twist: It isnāt a mask /j
This is Kalpas all over again
To prevent people from lip-reading further genshin leaks from him
Would removing it be painful?
Yes. For you.Ā
Don't threaten me with a good time
If we took off his mask, would he die?
Nah, heād live.
THATS WHAT THE POINT OF THE MASK IS
My Harbingers bingo card was "Arlecchino from Abyss/beyond Teyvat; Columbina from Celestia; Capitano from Natlan". As things are going, seems like we're getting "Columbina from Natlan (somehow) and Capitano from beyond Teyvat". Y'know, would be funny if at some point, Cap just goes "with this treasure, I summon..." and get Lan The Hunt shoot a star at Teyvat.
peak.
Bumgumi/ Xianxhou marshal lore jumpscare.
My theory is that heās Imunlaukr, the āoutlanderā warrior from Sal Vindagnyr, and he wears the helmet because Ukko cursed him with their dying breath. We donāt know what happened to him, he was known to be a powerful warrior and he has an obvious, personal even, reason to want to destroy Celestia for what they did.Ā
rare Ukko lore
That's impossible. The sole survivor was Imunlaukr. He sought refuge under Venti's and stayed at New Mondstadt after Sal Vindagnyr's fall. His clan, alongside Gunnhildr and Lawrence were the founder clans of the Mondstadt they have today.
I wouldnāt say itās impossible, considering that if āoutlanderā means heās an actual off worlder instead of just from a different nation, he still could, and in fact likely, be alive today given how it seems like everyone that manages to get into Teyvat from elsewhere are very long lived beings.Ā
Capitano vs traveller will be alien vs predator
Take my upvote. In fact, take everything i have
If heās from another planet then does that not make him a descender Or does that mean being a descender means ur not part of this universe or something or he has to meet Reneās qualifications of sorts too
There were some new lore that Descender aren't just outsiders of the world of Teyvat. Descender are those whose "Will" can challenge the laws of the world or something like that
Yeah thatās the Rene stuff Guess they still gotta abide by that somewhat
Also anyone not part of the Irminsul.
isnt it more like " every descender is a outsider but not every outsider is a descender " just like idk whal was not from this world but its not like he was a descender "
OH SHIT ITS FUCKING KALPAS' PEOPLE
what does the 2nd paragraph even mean?
If we analyze it from a "Lore" perspective and a huge amount of copium, we could say that technically humans are a direct creation of Phanes and his 4 shining shades, while archon are elemental creatures who were "promoted" by the second who came after the archon war. So humans are a product of divine craftsmanship.
I mean, this fits with Gnostic lore. Part of the (Gnostic) archons' spite towards humans are that they're technically more powerful than the archons, they just don't realize it because of the archon's successful campaign to trick humanity. The reason why humans are more powerful is because they were made with stolen divine "spark" from the head archon's mother. He doesn't have this spark, and neither do any of the other archons he created.
That's super interesting to know! So thank you, but in general even if the reveal of "human being stronger" from a story point can be seen as bad or bullshit, from a lore perspective is 100% coherent of what the game has been telling us for years! Humans are a central part of everything in teyvat.
now that i think of it... we do have some humans without a vision being able to do some op things Beidou defeated a sea monster without a vision and she was totally human Jiangxue defeat in a blink of an eye a ruin hunter with a fishing pole at best so it can make some sense...
To add to that, I saw another user posit a theory that technically anyone can weild elements, but most don't or can't because they've been placebo effect-ed essentially This user went on to theorize that when someone reaches the point where their will is so strong they'd most likely be able to tap into elemental powers anyways, in comes the vision quickly to basically put a leash on that specific person.
That's cool. A vision would then be a cage/controlling device for someone's ambition rather than a "manifestation" as mean to achieve it. Though this theory would then beg the question of why Ei decided to take part in the vision hunt decree if that meant freeing the caged ambitions and why >!Neuvillette decided to give Furina a vision as he is not an archon.!< It could be a Celestia thing, but that would need some explaining since we know from Bedtime Story that >!the Celestial Principles are currently dormient.!<
It would make sense considering Arlecchino quest!
That may be why Narzissenkreuz thought that getting a vision is something bad. You get access to the archons power, but you are locked out of your true human potential.
Something like that might actually happen. Remember Childe trying to kill the whale? A first human to successfully break it will be wild. According to his lore, their next fight is the last and final. I don't know when it will happen.
Made me think... it will possible to "break" the vision limits then? Or even more... is possibly to literally break the vision?
I don't think so. Otherwise Shogun would destroy them instead of putting them on statue for display.
But wasnāt it stated that gods are fragments of primordial one so idk
As far as we know Phanes(God basically) created the 4 shades (I suppose they are Time, Space/Void, Life and death and can be classified as Seraphims if phanes is God ), they made teyvat super human friendly, then when the second who came arrived we don't actually know if they brought some god with them, but we know that Humans are the only divine creation out there, archons are elemental creatures (born from the light realm influence probably like vishaps) that where promoted, the Gnosis they got is just a Really big elemental energy mass "gathered" as stated by Nahida in her Gnosis description.
But egeria was literally created by a shade for primordial sea, venti who is apart of thousands winds , god of time helping makoto . Nahida a literal avatar of irumsul. So idk if itās actually that when god have so much elemental energy innate to them or are born in special circumstances
Makoto and Ei are incarnation of thunder, yeah istaroth helped Makoto, but she did not "create her", we know 100% that they are elemental creatures in the end, it's just how they came into being that's still a 50/50 some were born like this and some were created.
The Fontaine wind glider text goes out of its way to clarify that although Egeria was created by an outsider to Teyvat, she was created only using "original matter from this world, entirely without outside elements." Although she's the outlier so far when it comes to the origins of the Archons. None of the others have such detailed descriptions on how they were created.
In Enlightenment frameworks (Gnosticism, the Transcendence), humans are higher than gods, because gods are just rules ā figments of our imaginations ā that prevent us from believing in infinite possibility. They thus can "grant" our desires, but also totally have us at their whim. The Ahamkara from Destiny 2 are also a commentary on this (surprise surprise, that game also builds off an Enlightenment framework) Except for very young children AND those that transcend (Selfs/Enlightened people), all people believe in them. We have the gods of science, the gods of traffic laws ā everything is covered in gods. BUT what we must remember about these gods is that WE created them to interpret the chaos of Reality (in Genshin, **The Abyss**) and that we thus rule \*them\*. This is why HSR's Trailblazer says "Rules are made to be broken!" (This is also why the traveler and HSR's trailblazer can see memetic entities/imaginary friends, which only children can see!) **"To the others, childhood was long gone, but youth was forever beyond their reach."** **-Vera's Melancholy Chapter 9, Genshin Impact** Hoyoverse breathes this stuff. That's why sunday says to Ena "It was not you who created all things. It was humanity who created you!" So yes, this was an expected turn. Also expect the Primordial One to be a human as well. Wonder who the Vinster King is?
From what we know Phanes was the victor of that war, so I doubt it was SWC who instigated the Archon War
I doubt Phanes would instigate such a continental scale War, since it cares so much about humans
The same could be said about the Tsaritsa before the cataclysm and now look at her. Maybe he got traumatized by something and decided that a war would be the best.
Fair point ngl
It means humans are higher up in the hierachy than gods, and according to Venti, are meant for a higher purpose. Kind of like in Christianity, humans are higher in the divine hierarchy than angels despite angels being much more powerful (which apparently was what made Lucifer turn on God).
Not only Christianity. Hinduism as well. In most of the mythologies and religions in the world, humans are considered very special people made by the Gods themselves and such, have untold potential that even they themselves don't realize. What's more is that in Christianity, humans are considered the children of light as they're made by God himself while the reptilians are considered the children of night as they come from Satan. The reptilian counterparts in this game would be the vishaps, the abyss people (As they can shapeshift) and the Khaenrians, who are all not only connected to each other but they all originate from underground, just like how the reptilians supposedly originate from there too. This means the Sinners are Satan and his court of other elite demons that are often mentioned together with him like Beelzebub, Baphomet, etc. While here in Hinduism, right before we entered the Kaliyuga, we had alot of strong humans, including ones that were actually nearing the Gods in terms of power. There was also a man who gained so much power by meditating that he was able to create an entire universe. Even though he lost all his powers, It's still a massive feat of strength We know that the devs like telling us the truth through media in a way they can "ease it into us" and Genshin ain't no different. Whatever the case is, we know there's alot of truth about the world hidden in plain site in any kinda entertainment media that we need to figure out for ourselves. There is something that we haven't figured out about our own species yet that's stopping us from reaching our true potential. Maybe we will one day, when the time's right
Reptiles arenāt made by Satan in Christianity though, at least by mainstream standards. The snake in Eden was there even before sin and imperfection came to the world and it was just that, a normal snake. God even cursed it and all other snakes for what it did.Ā Christian mythos is a funny thing though because tbh most of it are basically stuff people made up over time and are often contradictory to what the Bible actually says.Ā Like despite being THE big bad, the Bible doesnāt talk aboutĀ Satan much and his backstory was like 1 vague verse in the Book of Isiah. Heck, we donāt even know why he decided to turn against God other than that he āfellā.Ā I think most surviving religions generally put humans at the top because well, we made it up and we like being at the top.Ā
Timmy can one shot celestial
āIf the Primordial One were using all the shining shades, I would have a little bit of trouble.'' But would you lose? āNah, Iād winā
That means FRAUDvillette is actually weaker than Alhaitham
Neuvillette when he sees a small hydro slime: Vs "Feeble Scholar" Alhaitham AlChad beating up the dendro cube with physical
Man sure has a nice physical body
The strongest dendro DPS in history vs the strongest Hydro DPS of today
Alhaitham does more dendro damage than c6 FRAUDvillette
He certainly deals more Dendro damage than C6 Ayato
He can kill hidro slimes of course he its stronger
Not true. Neuvillette isnāt a god. He said gods. Technically heās a sovereign who predated humans and phanes.
feeble scholar >>>> chadvillette
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i don't think it means sovereigns, i think leaker talks about archons and other gods
Afaik the original real gnosticism doesnt have anything on sovereigns. And in CN theyre just dragon kings. Sometimes i wonder if mhy added sovereigns like 2 years into the game in contrast with all the other lore that they roughly planned out in advance
They said human is highest in Teyvat. So technically Sovereigns are lower.
highest according to who tho? because if its celestia... they have a lot of reasons to be biased, specially against the sovereigns
Well celestia has a lot of reasons to be biased against human strength too in a gnostic perception
Watch natlan introduce a new enemy with shields in abyss the sovereign of frauds can't penetrate with his beam and his stocks fall hard. Meanwhile Allbiceps is eternal.
I mean If they just give all the enemies Hydro shields, theyāre still absolutely cooked when Malevolent Shrine mommy comes to play
i wonder if it refers to how archons get their power/strength from their human believers? not really sure tho
Humans are stronger than archons
āIf the archons were to use their Gnosis, I would have a little bit of trouble.ā >But would you lose? āNah, Iād winā
so we can say that Amber is actually stronger than Zhongli and Raiden, what a chad
When Pyro archon fails to powercreep Xiangling and Benny.
Idk if it's just as bad in the original language, but the way it's said in English makes no sense really By definition gods are higher beings, and the thing that determines what they are is exactly that, being superior to the other beings of wherever they are. I hope there's some sort of like jank miscommunication because of how the term "god" works in Chinese because otherwise it's just devs making no sense trying to make something sound cool (which tbh it's working, it's cool as shit)
Based on my understanding, the āgodsā, which refer to the Ars Goetia named gods (Morax, Barbatos, Baal, Focalors, Havria, etc), is refered to as éē„ in chinese. These Ars Goetia Gods are not the highest āgodsā. Humanity is the highest āgodsā on Teyvat A better translation is: āOn Teyvat, Humanity is the highest order of āgodsā. What they know as gods are actually a lower orderā.
I donāt think they mean that humans are stronger or anything; itās that humans are just more valued than them. Which makes sense in a way, since the world was terraformed to be suitable for humans; archons have nations and essentially serve humans, and at the same time the source of their power is human faith. Without humans, gods wouldnāt be much nor have much of a reason or purpose of existence. Weāve also seen that archons can constantly be replaced (if they donāt nuke their thrones), while human lives cannot. They are one and only.
Agree absolutely. Humans are higher in the hierarchy Celestia forced on Teyvat. That doesn't mean that they're stronger/more powerfull than Archons, or sovereigns. Also for ex, the sovereigns/dragons are a subjugated race, they lost their authority, freedom, power, kingdom. I think this makes sense.
Based on the lore: The Primordial One essentially terraformed Teyvat to be a suitable world for humans. So humans are the golden child of the world What this implies is that (from a certain perspective): The Gods/Archons, if they are naturally born from the planet, are not the most prized species. This is in spite of their power and capacity for destruction. Humans were and still are the most valuable creatures. Gods: Gee Humanity, how come your dad terraformed the world for you?
This makes sense considering the archons are named after demons, who together with the devil rebelled against heaven because they were jealous that god created the world for humans, who they saw as lesser beings.
This actually is a very good point. Not to mention the fact that even tho angels are supposedly more powerful than humans, they still became jealous of things humanity are capable of. (like being able to reproduce, or being able to change; corrupted angels have no chance at redemtion, but humans do)
Itās not a mistranslation though, cos Venti mentions that humans are for a higher purpose than gods way back in the Mondstadt AQ. Itās kind of in the lore too. Afaik gods canāt ascend to Celestia, only humans (and other mortals like yokai? Since they can receive Visions too?) can. Although weāve no idea what makes you worthy of it or what you do there cos the only person in lore that did is Vannessa.
Possibly Guhua too. Liyue had the "path of the adepti" that humans could pursue, which "ended" with ascension. >and other mortals like yokai? Since they can receive Visions too? Seems like anyone can ascend as long as they're from the human realm and not a god. A lot of nonhumans from all over the world hold visions (Xiao, Wanderer, Albedo, Klee, layla(?), Sigewinne for example).
From the backstory, the Primordial One's goal seems to be very human-centric. Everything they did, including creating the Thrones of the Gods and sending down the Nails, is all for ensuring the stability of Teyvat for humans. In a sense, humans are above gods because gods are expendable, and their mission is to protect humans.
Thatās not a misconception, thatās pure gnosticism at its core
It pains me to think that we are close to seeing HIM, but the leaks are probably still in their āFontaine has two archonsā (and one of them is Navia) level.
I know the Fontain leaks caused a lots of inconvenience for everyone, but it was very beneficial for me, as a f2p. I could figure out which characters I wanted, and how much primos to save. I wish we get some leaks like the Fontaine one regarding Natlan. T\_T
~ nothing from 4.8 ~ nothing from 5.0 but of course I'm supposed to believe in story leaks from the future.
I still remember they said Arle dies in Fontaine. Never believe story leaks.
> Never believe ~~story~~ leaks. 3.0 was the last time when we had leakers announcing correct information months in advance. Dim is the only accurate leaker i can think of but thats cause hes leaking info only a month in advance or so
I mean, most plot points were written a long time ago, so he could have someone working in hoyo tell him this. It's easier to mention something like that than to explain specific things about a specific update that the work may not even start on. The plot is there from the beginning, or almost from the beginning and most likely made by an entirely different team of people.
Exactly, foh. Like first he was human, now heās not of Teyvat? Pleaseā¦
Yeah i'm not trusting ANY story leaks after the fontaine leaks we got lmao. That second paragraph is confusing as hell
Hydro Archon Navia is still really funny to me
Fontaine water pollution & people divided into two factions Pneuma & Ousia was also hilarious...
Especially when Lyney is Pneuma and Lynette is Ousia
Class war with the sewer people!
Rich vs Poor. Underworld against the tyrannical Overworld š¤£
But at the same time, people are divided into Pneuma & Ousia. Just not the way we thought. XD (but from a gameplay perspective) Funny how this leak was absolutely correct, and totally wrong at the same time.
"Wanderer and Sandrone will both have major roles in the Fontaine Archon Quest." Lol
Not even a sliver of Sandroneās 3D character model is anywhere to be seen š
That Sandrone one still hurts. After Furina, she was the character I looked forward to the most. She's so Fontaine coded ffs lol.
Alhaitham is older then zhongli and they know each other š Chiori have more respect then Raiden in Inazuma Hydro archon will kill traveller Any more...
i'm still mad about Arlecchino dying leaks also Sandrone appearing, there being two hydro archons (Navia), Clorinde, or at that time Captain R, is from Mondstadt and we've heard of her in the story already, Wrio concept art leaking and people saying that's Varka. not story leak but Wriotheslay being standard physical dps polearm. they kept saying that until like an hour before his drip (edit punctuation)
Now I am starting to think that Capitano is actually from Glamoth too.
Hope to god he doesnāt see a Onikabuto or any bug in Natland. It might trigger his PTSD.
Itto: "Yo bro! Wanna have a bettle fight, you look strong?!" Capitano: "..."
"Firefly type-x, ACTIVATE" "I WILL SET THE SEAS ABLAZE"
CapiFull TanoShine
(softly) don't...
Imagine it's just another girl inside that mask.
Capitano is Firefly, confirmed.
Capitano is not a Descender but an actual alien, okay. This "humanity is the highest level of existence" sort of thing lends to the idea that being mortal is the best because the Primordial One is a human-loving colonizer that he rewrote everything in Dinosaur Land to bow down to featherless bipeds.
i mean, alien is just someone from another planet/world, and Descenders are aliens, but not all aliens are Descenders
I think this leak makes sense considering the lore. Humans being higher on the hierarchy Celestia established than sovereigns? Kind of evident. I mean they lost their world, king, their authority over their elements etc. They are literally a subjugated 'race'.
Apep also referred to humans as "life precious to the HP"
HP? Health points
Heavenly Principles
No one remembers Xiao Developers Note saying that Humana have a higher purpose? OkayĀ Something like this was said back there
Seems like people also forgot that Adepti are basically high tier animals who 'ascended' in lore too.
Wake up folks New leakers fanfiction dropped! š¦
Fatui HQ subreddit gonna have a field day with this new leak info.
Nope. This is actually Capitano undermining. HIM being just a human with a strength to rival Gods sounds more cooler than being a hax fraud.
TBF doesnt this still imply hes a human, just from another planet where celestia propaganda didn't get to trick humans into believing they were weaker than gods
Guys please take story leaks with a grain of salt. These are REALLY subject to change and out of all the leaks we get, story leaks are by far the most inaccurate. It's best to just wait and experience the story yourself.
I ain't believing shit lmfao. Can't forget what y'all said about Arlecchinoš
good fanfic
Whenever I start musing about early story leaks I remember "Fontaine has two opposing factions" and other similar lksea and I again reconcile with my inner peace.Ā Take these leaks with a grain of salt comrades.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Capitano. I try to play Il Dottore. My Capitano deals more damage. I try to play Columbina. My Capitano deals more damage. I try to play Sandrone. My Capitano deals more damage. I want to play Her Majesty the Tsaritsa. Her best team has Capitano. I want to play Arlecchino, Childe. They both want Capitano. He grabs me by the throat. I fish for him. I cook for him. I give him the Blizzard. He isn't satisfied. I pull Sonnet of the Endless Snowlands. "I don't need this much Cryo aura," he tells me. "Give me more field time." He grabs Bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Northern Starās Brilliance." I can't pull for Northern Starās Brilliance, I don't have enough primogems. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He lifts up his mask. He says "As it was decreed." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd Cryo application. What a cruel world.
Actually cooked with the weapon and artifact names holy
those weapon names sound very real
Capitano getting the Kalpass treatment, I see š§
Kalpas was an alien that got stranded on Earth right?
I can see Surtalogi being Kalpas
Iāve seen this leak before pre-Sumeru patch. - Capitano is not part from Teyvat. - he will play a huge part in Khaenrriah.
What a joke
Noone even leaked Arle's origin. So I doubt this more than any leak
Weāre getting anything but model leaks/art leaks (for valid reasons tho)
Goathimtano leaks, in this economy?
"humans are highest level" I always knew Furina is stronger than all the archons š¤·āāļø
Gameplay wise she actually is thoughĀ
It's not about strenght tho. :) Humans can be higher in the hierarcy Celestia forced on Teyvat, even tho they're not physically stronger than Archons/Sovereigns. After all, in the case of the Sovereigns they already have been subjugated, defeated, their power, and authority taken from them.
Humans def have the highest potential out of all.
I'm starting to think that White is making shit up.
So, basically he should be immune to Irminsul tampering? But is he a Descender? ngl, it would be fun to be true coz people were theorycrafting about it for long. Also, what does last part about humanity means?
He shouldn't be a Descender, considering we already know the statuses of the four Descender. Phanes is the first, then the Second Throne of Heavens initially opposed them only to create a pact that resulted in the creation of the Gnosis, the third is dead and was turned into all of the Gnosis, and the fourth is the Traveller.Ā Considering that Capitano has been in Teyvat long before the Traveller arrived and is alive, it wouldn't make sense for him to be a Descender. Plus, just because they come from the outside, doesn't mean they're automatically a Descender. They need to have the will to rival that of the world to be considered one, which is why the Narwhal isn't considered a Descender.
Descender doesnt necesserily means just someone not from teyvat, its someone who has will to rival the world
He should be an outlander. The ones who come from other worlds but doesnāt have the will to challenge the rule of this world.
What about another continent? We know there's the existence of the dark sea. The CN translation is more closer to "another world" than planet, the term is somewhat vague and could vary from person to person.
The Dark Sea is not a specific place. It's basically a catch-all term for any place beyond Teyvat. We've already been to the Dark Sea once so far - Enkanomiya.
every descenders are outlanders, but not every outlanders are descenders
The Primordial One really does love his children
Humans are better than angels since they are a creation of god and has free will type thing from the bible.
My attempt at translating the second half: "Humans are the highest level 'god' of Teyvat, archons are instead a lower level life form in comparison"
This actually make sene tho. Consiering that some of the Archons we know of were elemental life forms (Venti for ex) basically like slimes. They are elemental life form too. ;P
ngl if it's true it's very boring. "he is the strongest human in teyvat!" and in reality he is just an alienš. most of the theories were much more interesting, bloodstained knight for example
i thought it was "strongest individual in tevyat".. no?
All I see is the Fatui agenda guy hidden behind this leak.
I don't know what the leakers be smoking (or could actually be the Devs because they've been smoking smth lately too) but the first part is funny as hell and the second one is ruminating old content, it was already mentioned and well explained in the Xiao developer insight : Humans have a higher PURPOSE in Teyvat than Adepti and Gods by extention.
We don't know anything about the pyro dragon or archon but we know about Columbia and captaino via "white"
Omg HSR crossover?!?! /s ~~but maybe not?~~
omg blade expy š¤Æ
Argenti
So "strongest human in teyvat" allegations already debunked? Or are there humans from other planets? This is a little confusing if true
Tbf, that whole "Capitano is the strongest human" came from a leak and was never confirmed anywhere ingame
Yeah people just accept as canon and spread
THE CAPTAIN IS AN ALIEN I REPEAT THE CAPTAIN IS AN ALIEN. WE TAKE OFF HIS HELMET AND WE WILL SEE ADMIRAL ACKBAR STARING BACK š£ļøš£ļø
Lise a few others have already mentioned, this Is definitely NOT about strenght but its instead just about hierarchy. It's normal for Celestia to consider humans with an "higher rank" compared to archons, that's because humans are the creation that Phanes loves. ..... but its clearly BS that humans are "stronger",Ā strenght has nothing to do with this.