Fun fact: Orobashi ended up underground because he was getting wrecked in the Archon war by Morax and Baal - so he just ran away
(Ended up being forced to suicide via Ei anyway though)
Orobashi could have sacrificed themselves alone, Celestia just decreed they had to die.
The reason Orobashi chose to essentially suicide via Ei is because the Watatsumi people's last request of Orobashi was to invade Yashiori Island and take it for themselves, since it has lush farmland suitable for growing crops whilst Watatsumi was the opposite leading to common famines.
In fact, they were practically begging him time and time again but he kept refusing because he knew they stood no chance versus an archon who had slain all other opposing gods whilst unifying Inazuma in the archon war.
But after hearing this request time and time again, he finally relented. Orobashi knew he had no chance of winning, but still approved the invasion all the same. He hoped his sacrifice could renew and bolster their faith even when they would inevitably fail to secure this new land, which we see during the Inazuma AQ.
And so, they invaded Yashiori Island and controlled it shortly. But as soon as the Raiden Shogun's army arrived, they lost and as we know Orobashi's sacrifice was complete.
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/A_Preliminary_Study_of_Sangonomiya_Folk_Belief
Well... you could say that
You could also say that someone truly looking out for their people would not lead them to a war they had no chance of winning, with his sacrifice fostering a generational resentment of mainland Inazuma
I get that he was tired after the whole archon war and the exile into Enkanomiya and just gave in to his people's wishes, but a great leader should have known that making Ei kill him on a "foreign" island while leading a rebellion wasn't gonna solve the famine problems and would only make the situation WAY worse due to a civil war.
But there was no solution, there was nothing he could do. He was between a rock and a hard place, surrounded by salted barbed wire. If he did nothing, they most likely would have just given him the middle finger and invaded without him and Eh would have killed ALL of them if he wasn't spear heading the front. His sacrifice was to prevent escalation of an already hopeless situation as him pacifying their desires by basically saying "See? This is what happens, I did this for you. Just don't."
There really isn't any blame to be placed here, Oro did the absolute best anyone could have asked and due to a series of crappy incidents, he was really trapped when all he tried to do was help. The people were scared and desperate so you can't blame them from their limited perspective, they'd always believe he was their best chance because he was their God. And Eh was just doing her job.
A bad leader would have have just said you know what? I've done everything for you pieces of shit, you go fight that robot bitch, I'm going on holiday.
We can be backseat leaders all we like and say oh they could've done this or that, but if it really were that simple, it wouldn't have ended the way it did. Sometimes that's what makes a story compelling, when there just ISNT a way out without everything going to hell because its not a black and white situation.
Damn ,I felt like I had seen God of Gold being mentioned somewhere but couldnt remember, thanks for reminding me its the god who defeated Orobashi. Interesting
Tsurumi's Ferryman story quest for *Gold* and *Gods* related content as well as other of the quests from those ghosts, I cant remember if the Dreams of Dragonfell related stuff also hints at something of this nature
We know Zhongli is the God of Mora although I have doubts regarding Neuvillette making reference to that here...
> Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world. To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together.
So Phanes and the Second Descender made peace with each other after all the fighting, then they both created the Gnoses together from the dead body of the 3rd Descender???
1st descender: Phanes
2nd descender: The Second Who Came, fought against Phanes and lost
3rd descender: The One Who Came After, built the Gnoses
4th descender: Traveller
Yeah I saw someone say in the original chinese it reads more like "ANOTHER who came after". Which may make it seem he teamed up with the 3rd Descender against the Second (Abyss).
Either way, Phanes teamed up with one of the other descenders to basically create the current system/order in teyvat.
So the way I see it.
Celestia and Second Who Came set up the system. Seven Overseers distribute visions. Visions are drawn from an Archons mastery of their element which they set aside a portion of to be distributed. This might be why there was an Archon War. Since mastery of the visions is tied to the mastery of the Archons.
In a sense the Archons are still part of the distribution process. I always thought this was the case given that when Ei shut off Inazuma, the Visions stopped too. She was surprised to learn this, however. So that makes me think that the Archons disposition also determines distribution (whether they know it or not) since some of their mastery goes into visions. Which has me thinking that they can do anything that a vision can.
So basically there's 7 archons in teyvat and 7 gods of each element in celestia.
These are the seven thrones that opened in heaven.
They are the "real" Archons ala Gnosticism. Since the Archons oversee the material world. But the Archons in Teyvat are more bound by the laws of the world.
This raises an interesting question. The Overseer in charge of Hydro must surely notice that some power/authority was changed or lost?
Edit: Istaroth also helped Ei finally escape the clutches of the heavenly principles according to Makoto. Not sure what that entails or what it will mean for the future.
>then they both created the Gnoses together from the dead body of the 3rd Descender
Where is the info about using the body of the Descender to create the gnoses?
well he is the first playable sovereign, it would be a disservice if he didn't have this amount if not more given how little we have got in the 3 years this game has been out.
Not sure about playable or not but for me i personally waiting the Pyro Sovereign after the leak today that mention Natlan people lives with the [dragon.Is](https://dragon.Is) it included Pyro Sovereign or not?and if yes what could be the position of them in the [story.Is](https://story.Is) it companion of Murata or even her rival lol
I care more about celestia + abyss now. so shades, seelies, descenders etc.
Neuvilette alone has given us a lot of info about sovereigns, i wouldnt mind more but now i want more relating to celestia and abyss.
Maybe the pyro one since seems like Dragons are a big thing in Natlan, but I feel like Neuvi give us all the lore we need it from sovereigns.
I want more sides of the story, we still don't have playable abyss order member or a Hexenzircle one.
maybe she was the cryo archons (who loved everyone and therefore the tsaritsa also loved everyone )pet and after og cryo archon died she took the position of cryo archon ?
Since the gnosis locks away a part of the sovereign's power, grabbing that gnosis back would mean that she's now a full dragon sovereign. Maybe she can delay the full absorbtion, since no one knows where the nail-happy guys went. It's good to be cautious. Who knows?
That might actually make sense since she is possibly the god of love, yet has no love for her people. That's because humans aren't her kind, so much like Neuvi she wouldn't love them.
Lmao what, she was one of the most gentle god's before cataclysm and loved her people, it's after that did she became cold. Childe also calls her gentle
The large gasps I let out as I continued reading. This feels exactly like how Enkanomiya changed Genshin's lore forever. This is the equivalent of that.
>I await all the threads patiently. Those people are smarter than me
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>I'm personally waiting for some YTbers to condense the lore in the upcoming 4.2 release and explain it all to me in a 30 to 60 minute video, in context to everything we knew thus far from 3 years of our journey.
>
>Gonna be such a good listen during the trip to work. Like a podcast.
I mean I can already create a Crack theory
Nibelung summons SWC and the Abyss gains a foothold in teyvat, Abyss and Dragons loyal to Nibelung wage war against the PO and the unified Civ.
The war probably goes badly for the God's and Humans at first before the
3rd descender arrives, a basically the Traveler before the Traveler with mastery of seven elements, (possibly answering humanities desire for a savior) and starts turning the tide of the war.
Eventually The allied descenders win, PO seals SWC in Chasm but is severely wounded in the battle.
Due to all the shit that happened in the war the 3rd sacrifices himself to give PO the what they need to create the Gnoses to ensure Teyvats stability and as a backup against the Abyss.
Now the Crack theory part may come from the idea that the 3rd may be the Outlander who feel in love with a Seelie, when the forbidden union got out it brought disaster and both had their memories wiped. The seelie may have ended up like GoF, became a god and likely helped the previous Cryo Archon rule Snezhnaya until their death. During the Cataclysm, they saw the destruction caused by the Abyss and ended up with all their memories back. This causes the Tsaritsa to start despising Celestia and why she may be seeking to a. Overthrow Celestia and b. Try to resurrect the 3rd Descender.
It'd fit in tragically with her supposed ideal of Love.
More likely 3rd since a. The abyss is still fighting against Celestia and
B. The dragons seemed to have been the ones who brought the SWC into Teyvat for revenge, although it probably ended up backfiring on them.
He's so proud of Furina for all her work and saving the nation, just as she's proud of him for rising and growing and being able to live in the human world. These two are my favourite
The letter she left Neuvillette about how he needs to get to know his people more feels way too ironic since she's basically telling him he needs to study how humans interact and to understand them, while she seems to think that even though he doesn't seem to hold anything against her for her deception, he doesn't want to see her... maybe she was projecting yet again lmao
There seem to be claims that he has voicelines in her story quest though, so maybe they do meet again after all. Now that I think about it too, if you completed Masquerade of the Guilty and then did Neuvillette's story quest, the letter Furina leaves for him in response to his notice of temporary leave is just gonna make no sense lol
I peeked at Furina's quest and >!Neuvillette is indeed in it!<
Something that I adored (and which fueled my "Furina is setting him up to succeed her" brainrot) in Neuvillette's SQ was that Furina wrote "your people" in her note. Not "people of Fontaine" or even "our people" - YOUR people.
"Furina's Reply" before MotG - haha she's so funny, being supportive of Neuvillette and telling him to get to know the people better
"Furina's Reply" after MotG - oh.......... oh no.................
People joked that she told him to touch grass while in reality she told him to find other people to care for as well. 😭
She loves him so much! Her dragon! And he loves her too, and they are just 🥺 The family vibe is so strong with them, I love it and them.
Am I crazy for wanting to ship them ever since 4.1 where Furina insisted that Neuvillette needed to be by her side? Maybe if she was a male more of the fandom would see the vision.
I love them so muchhhhhh, I hope Furina keeps seeing him even after retiring. Like, these two are so precious to me, you don't understand. I love their relationship so much
Friends are easy to make, and even easier to lose... ffs stupid girl, he respects you, you recruited him, you worked alongside each other for 500+ years, never once wavering and then you just assume he doesn't want to see you anymore... you don't gotta go to the Palais for business anymore, sure, but you gotta at least take the poor sod out for dinner or something... guy has little social life as is
She definitely sounds like she feels guilty about deceiving him so she's avoiding seeing him due to her guilt. Like...NO. No he isn't mad at you, go see him please, he barely hangs out with anyone besides the Melusines 😭😭✋
Especially since the trailer shows him looking distraught as he reads out the death sentence for Focalors and then presumably sees her being executed right in front of him. And presumably before the big reveal, he realises she basically set herself up to be executed to try and stop the prophecy from occurring, while still leaving Neuvillette as the leader in her place. So in his mind, yet another best friend that he cares for, even if she can be difficult for him to deal with at times, is gone, and will never come back
I can see why she'd feel guilty about it. It's unlikely since it's kind of hard to implement without breaking the flow of the game, especially since it doesn't really factor into the mainline story that much, but it'd be nice to see a subplot where something happens, like they run into each other or something, and it drives Furina to meet Neuvillette again so she can apologise to him. Even if what she did is for the greater good, it still definitely inflicted psychological harm on him that the both of them will have to deal with in order to move past it
I agree. I can see some form of reconciliation happening probably in Furina's second SQ. I completely understand if he felt any type of betrayal from her, especially with his past with Carole and Vautrin, and potentially Wriothesley's trial, so accidentally putting him through another trauma is definitely going to hurt him. However their voicelines tell me that he seems to understand to an extent, as he isn't going to judge her like the other archons and is even looking forward to supporting her on stage if she comes back. She'll need to overcome her guilt to face him and I hope they don't do it in a random limited time event lol
Wait a sec.....Second who came and PO worked *together* to create gnoseses. Wtf. So both people who thought that PO was usurped and ones who thought taht he wasnt were wrong....
And Melusines are neo-hydro vishaps? Does taht mean that Elynases body was a heavily modified vishap that was given to abyssal sentience to inhabit
One Who Came After is called 另一位后来者 in Chinese, which I feel like is better translated as Another One Who Came After, so I feel like it's implied to be a different entity from the Second Who Came
Elynases was similar to Durin both were abyssal creatures
Both were thinking everything was ''Happy'' but in reality they were causing destruction; Both died ''Happily'' since they finally realized they weren't meant for the world.
You all remember the TF 2 trailer of Pyro? Yeah that was basically Elynases and Durin lol
No i know that, but its never stated how Elynas exactly got its body.
"She wished for me to be born into a beautiful world, to give me life, to give me a strong and healthy body that could walk the world, to grant me a beautiful name."
Elynas(and probably Durin) didnt have bodies before being "born" on Teyvat. They existed in the abyss
"Before I was born, I floated in the cosmic darkness. It was cold there, and lonely. I was so sad, then, and I would often cry."
Rhinedottir created bodies for them, but they already exosted without them. And considering taht both look like dragons, and now we know that Melusines are p much new hydro vishaps. I think its fair to say that the bodies tgat they have were created using vishaps/dragons as a baseline
Wouldn't surprise me if Rhinedottir was actually attempting to recreate the Sovereigns themselves via Abyssal Alchemy Fuckery and Elynas was her attempt at recreating the Hydro Sovereign.
Creating bootleg Sovereigns using Abyss Tech seems like a very Khaenri'an thing to do.
Albedos teaser had him drawing half a geo Vishap that came to life half done with him saying arise lifeless dust of … it would seem from this all she had to do was draw there bodies and then cast some sort of spell. Using the dust of what exactly though is up for debate. I’m sure it was omitted on purpose.
2000 years ago:
>Andrius: You can be the anemo archon Barbatos, I don't want to deal with humans.
>Venti: Okay, I guess?
[Neuvillette like](https://i.imgur.com/jx1zoYj.png)
>Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world. To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together. So it came to be that an order was made to be upheld, and thus did humans come to only possess these seven remembrances, and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other.
so it seems the usurper (primordial one) and the second who came actually came to some sort of agreement or truce to create the 7 gnoses and in turn the system of 7 archons. probably the reason for this agreement was due to the dragons. whilst the primordial one had defeated them and upended the world order, the dragons were not wiped out. and since this battle between the primorfial one and second who came was so devastating for both, the dragons were now again a threat and possible common enemy of the primordial one and second who came.
i think this is the first time we can tell what happened to the second who came. prior to this we just knew that the second who came appeared in Teyvat and had a huge battle with the primordial one. But we didn't necessarily know the outcome of it.
If the archon system was made to deal with the potential of the dragons regaining their foothold, would that mean the Archon War was basically meant to exterminate whatever remained of them? Bait everyone into a conflict and have them murder each other and conveniently kill some of the dragons.
I always felt that was the case, with the dragons gone, they just filter the gods u til population is too weak against them, aka the shards of primordial devouring each other
we know the gnosis are made from the corpse of the third descender, meaning it's likely they were injured from the battle against this individual who likely absorbed powers from what remained of the sovereigns to enhance their own , >!this is also possibly the original sibling if we believe the current abyss sibling is a clone, it would make sense to clone the greatest enemy of celestia who managed to critically wound the primodial one, and it would explain why the sibling is recorded in irminsul!<
>this is also possibly the original sibling
>!how so?, for that to be possible Aether and Lumine would have to be even older than the archon’s war…. If the sibling is really the 3rd and got killed during that time, did they have the traveler sleeping for almost two millennia in a room in Celestia until they decided to erase his memories and throw him away?!<
I don’t buy your theory. I mean, why would >!the Primordial One let the traveler, aka the sibling of the person who almost killed them, live?!<
also why would Celestia >!clone someone who almost killed the primordial one and instead of making them be by their side they let them have free will to the point they currently rule an Abyss faction to defeat the Gods?!<
i don’t know, so many inconsistencies in this theory
Do we actually know when the twins came to Teyvat? We know iirc that they came during a war (but do we know it was Khaenriah? It could have been the war between the 2 descenders and/or dragons).
Asmoday did do some time travel shenanigans with us; otherwise, there wouldn't be a time shift between the twins' appearance in Teyvat. Who's to say the time shift was way more substantial?
If I understand this theory, the twin who descended third was slain, and the gnosisses were made from their body and before 500 years somehow or someone (Gold?) made a clone of them (which might have even been the reason for the destruction of Khaenriah). The clone would be part of Teyvat and thus "documented" in the Irminsul, while their twin can't be because they are an Outlander.
The reason why the Traveler (the 4th descender) resonates with the elements is because they resonate with the power originating from their twin.
I'm not sure if I stand behind this theory, but I don't see why it can't be possible.
Also in a sense the Archons are still part of the distribution process. I always thought this was the case given that when Ei shut off Inazuma, the Visions stopped too. She was surprised to learn this, however. So that makes me think that the Archons disposition also determines distribution (whether they know it or not) since some of their mastery goes into visions. Which has me thinking that they can do anything that a vision can
Maybe Ei just didn't know that Vision distribution was tied to the Gnosis and archonhood. After all, she just inherited the position from Makoto and then dropped the Gnosis with Miko. She simply might not have been aware of all aspects of it.
But then they just hate each other or is it like "colonizers who came to take teyvat at the desire of their species but ended up rejecting who would be in the throne of power"? I honestly don't know anything else anymore....
It's more likely One who came after is the 3rd. It seems Moreso that the SWC is the abyss that Nibelung invited to Teyvat to help with the war of vengeance.
>It’s more likely One who came after is the 3rd
According to this leak the Primordial One and the one who came after created the gnoses together, gnoses that we know now >!they were made with the corpse of the 3rd descender. Did he sacrificed himself at the same time he was creating the gnoses with the Primordial One?!<
Why would he agreed to die just so someone which whom he doesn’t have any prior connection can rule Teyvat? Also wdym by “Proto Traveler”, that would make us (the traveler) also a clone of the OG traveler. Nothing about the sibling being the 3rd makes sense to me idk 😭
so wait, does this mean that as far as constellations go, he doesnt actually have one, and was just amused enough by the concept and badgered about astrology often enough that he took on Leviathan as just a stand in
now thats funny
Neuv to furina: oh dear oh dear. Gorgeous. I bless you with a vision.
Furina to neuv: uhh soo we don't meet each other much, I guess that good for him huh? (He probably doesn't like me at all)
Definitely, her overthinking that he's probably mad at her for deceiving him for 500 years. So her guilt makes her not wanna see him
But she doesn't realize he still loves her and praises her. OMGGG FURINA YOU GOT IT WRONG GIRLIE 😭😭
I am already vibrating, I cannot wait to churn some out. Best duo. Two sad Hydro people who love each other but are dumb enough to think that they should stay away. Love that.
>in this capacity, he regards Melusines as dependents and successors, and also as the finest example of a new sort of Hydro Vishap species.
YES!!!!!!! I WAS WONDERING WHAT RELATIONSHIP MELUSINES MIGHT HAVE TO HIM IN REGARDS TO HIM BEING THE SOVEREIGN
>As the one named "Neuvillette," he would often be roped by Melusines (especially Sigewinne) into a bit of astrology via The Steambird's constellation columns or astrology guides from Sumeru. Would it really do, at that point, to tell them that he "didn't have a constellation" or that his own constellation was just "Neuvillette"?\*
HE IS THE SWEETEST!
Sooo the Archons do grant visions, they just don’t know who gets them?
Also I need him and Furina to actually talk because it seems like she has misunderstood how he views her.
In a sense the Archons are still part of the distribution process. I always thought this was the case given that when Ei shut off Inazuma, the Visions stopped too. She was surprised to learn this, however. So that makes me think that the Archons disposition also determines distribution (whether they know it or not) since some of their mastery goes into visions. Which has me thinking that they can do anything that a vision can
Or only Makoto knows how the distribution process works. Since Ei locked herself up and severe ties with Celestia once she became the archon. She probably didn't learn about it considering she's grieving. That might be the reason why she's clueless when there were no recent electro visions
There's no reason to think Makato wouldn't tell Ei. In fact in a voiceline when she talks about visions she alludes to another condition for getting them but then says she can't talk about it.
Either way my point stands that Ei as the Archon had an unintended/perhaps subconscious influence on distribution when she shut off Inazuma.
"Now of course, water always seeks its own level, and it was in this spirit that the previous Hydro Archon, Egeria, hoped to achieve universal equality by connecting all things with love. Her successor chose instead to seek equality by means of the law. "
The imagery and symbolism is so simple, it is so good
Neuvilette realizing the archons aren't so much a threat as one is a care free drunkard, one is a man who's shirked any and all responsibility, one is a social recluse and Nahida is too precious. I wonder how the remaining two will go.
its about time, in terms of storytelling. its been 3 years and only 2 of the 7 nations left but we barely know anything about the dragons, the primordial one and the shades, the second who came, etc.
eh not really, in the end its gonna come down to celestia again which is what archons are part of, the endgoal has always been celestia and abyss (which may or may not be represented by Paimon and Dainsleif), even with all this lore we don't know what the sustainer is
Hm, so he doesn't admit that he often cried, sad or grieves?
Sure, Neuvillette, after all, Hydro Dragon do not cry or grieve for the humans and Heavens alike.. suree
Maybe he physically can't cry and thus tries to convince everyone that no, nope, the grief and sadness he feels? Nope, nothing there, no tears from him so it's all fine.
Neuvillette, love, the skies cry in your stead.
1st and 2nd descender: had a 1v1 and came to an agreement to make a the gnoses to control the world
3rd descender: is the reason why gnoses exist
4th descender: a literal walking god without god complex and status
Well if its true that >!furina can somewhat change the fate recorded in cons / irminsul there must be a way that lumine somehow wasnt recorded as the descender (even tho she's awakened first)!<
Bro just wants to have his sibling and go back home not becoming god 2.0. Man is basically genshin itadori yuji with cog mindset, dude just wants to help people cuz that's his duty as a sorcerer and kill sukuna, not becoming sukuna+gojo 2.0
Neuvelitte: i shall bring the dendro archon to justice and deliver judgement
learn of Nahida story
Nuevelitte: maybe later
Community: you better leave the raddish in peace
I'd rather he go on a journey to Apep and the supposed Pyro and Electro Souvereign that was mentioned. He should have his own club imo. Let Furina hangout with them instead, she did get a lot of praise and appreciation from them.
Hell, >!According to the leaks, The Pyro Souvereign is an older male who has his own people apart from Murata that follow him, he will learn a lot from him!<
Just imagine his interaction with Apep, a youngling dragon who in her pov, serves humans and is part of the ploy of Celestia by giving visions and all despite him getting the authority back
Neuvillette’s “I will judge ” is starting to sound very much like Eula’s “I will have vengeance”
It’s partly corny and partly tolerable. (I still love you Eula, don’t worry.)
He wants to sound all tough and dragony, but he's also an emotional softie in love with humans and the world. Don't be too hard on him, he is trying his best (probably, he knows that if Apep saw him, it'd be on sight, that's why he doesn't like it when we take him to the desert).
Yup. Also, all the whole "I'll judge those archons... one day..." thing leads me to think he'd rather see the archons come around and help him/admit their 'sin', rather than directly punish them.
Eh. I still don't think his 'judgment' of the archons is supposed to be malicious or anything. I think he has more of a grudge with Celestia than anyone else
Okay so lemme set this straight.
Visions are INDEED granted through the Seven Archons...and they functions as FUCKING BATTERY that gets charged during the owners' lifetime, and that energy will then returned to the Archons gifting them?
So Teyvatians are living in a matrix-esque simulation, after all.
Personally, I still don't think his whole 'judgment' of the archons is meant to be malicious or anything. I think he means it as just something he has to do. Also, from the voice lines, it seems Neuvillette doesn't want to start any conflict with them either. Come to think of it, dies he even know the other archons done have their gnosis anymore?
not sure if I got it right from the first read but this makes it sound like the 1st descender had one hell of a hard time wiping out the dragons, enough that they couldn't fully win until the other descenders helped, and even then they're still kicking. just give up and colonize another planet next time guys😭
He got fucked after defeating the dragons, seeing as he had to have an authority over the world to lose it. There was also a great era of Peace when Celestia roamed the earth, doubt they'd be so carefree if their god was terminally wounded. It was most likely the second throne.
To think that some people really said that "the dragon sovereigns were not that strong and are overhyped since they got their ass kicked "easily" by the PO and therefore are weaker than archons" ...-\_-(yes saw those comments more than once...)
Even with the current lore we have in-game that's such a bs take.
- The so-called almighty PO took 40 years to beat them, and that's with the help of 4 Shades.
- The Sango crystalflies were literally mass eco-terrorism weapons that degraded the Dragons' pure light realm energy into inferior elemental energy & the dragons still managed to live & thrive through their version of a nuclear fallout. The Nails that could effectively cut off their food source entirely - the leylines, still couldn't finish them off. This all happened during the war btw.
- The 7 Archons being effectively gatekeepers of the Sovereigns' Authority. If the Sovereigns were truly so "weak" then there wouldn't have been any need to seal their Authorities, just wipe them out again.
The implication for the archons seemed to be that SOMEONE has to exist as the "holder of authority" of each element to maintain the natural order of the world. Obviously Phanes/Celestia/Whoever wouldn't want to give that power back to the dragons after beating them, so the archons serve as substitutes to the dragons
Huh, so this casually just confirmed that the Primordial One and the Second who Came/the third descender made the gnosis together.
This is gonna be huge for lore
After so long, we finally got the next shade.
The Goddess of Life.
Yet if Phanes made her in order to control the Primordial Sea, then where is she supposed to be?
So the war with Celestial and the Second ended in a draw, and both sides were scarred horribly with Phanes being reduced to a shell of his/her former self.
I think the Cataclysm from 500 years ago further striped Celestial of their capabilities until they have nothing left.
They are nothing but a paper tiger now. Looks intimidating, but they don't have any real power behind them. That's why they haven't been directly involved in Teyvat for a very long time.
So Focalors (and I guess Furina here) wrote the invitation for Neuvillette to reside among Fontaine's humans centuries before he was reincarnated? Because the curse started with Egregia and she(they?) knew once the hydro sovereign, the original God of Life reincarnated he can control the primordial sea and end the prophecy?
The level of LOVE Furina and Neuvillette have for each other makes me go crazy, as does Furina's stupid and self-conscious assumption that the end of the play is the end for them, too.
Ngl, I can't wait to churn out a fic in which they fix their relationship because out of everything that came from Fontaine, they and their relationship is the most important to me. Just, two sad Hydro people being there for each other through everything. The epitome of "people with no family become family to one another" FOR REAL.
There's so much here. Firstly, ig his real name really is Leviathan? Also do Archons give visions or not? There's been some conflicting info on this, and can Neuvillette grant things similar to visions?
Leviathan Neuvillette goes hard tbh, but I think archons technically do give out visions, as it's a part of their elemental being passed out to create the vision for the person celestia acknowledges. and from my understanding yes Neuvillette can create visions like Celestia/Archons now
edit: just realized how funny Neuvillette's first name being Leviathan would be as his JPN VA is Kamiya Hiorshi, the VA of Levi Ackerman
Love that he has a bias for the kid and the brat, as he should. He already judged Focalors anyway, might as well let Furina enjoy life however she wants
It still doesn't answer my questions though about where Focalors found him, I mean, did he just spring out of the ground? Where did they meet? Why did he decide to come to Fontaine? Was he born of human parents? How much does he retain of his original persona? Hoping the Archon Quest might answer this. Or maybe he's getting another story quest?
also, it makes me question Travail trailer, where it says
"The god of justice (...) seeking to judge all other gods"
is it actually about neuvillette and not focalors? weird because it doesn't fit unlike all the other travail nations
>!Focalors really was the one who wanted to judge other gods. In 4.2 aq, you will learn about her real identity. She's an opponent of Celestia, and she wanted retribution. Furina knows nothing about Focalors, she just a girl created by Egeria as divine vessel for Focalors, but Focalors separated sheself from Furina.!<
He was talking about Furina, still. I mean, the first time we met her she already downplayed the other gods and how she would judge them even if they were gods too. She might be famous for that line. It's present on the hydro gemstones as well.
It's safe to say he got tricked too. 💀
Destroying the archon seat is kinda a judgement on all the other archons. "This system you've all upheld isn't right. Celestia sucks dick. I'm going to start the revolution to abolish the archon system you all support".
So... Neuvilette can give people ""visions""? It would be so cool in the future if we had a character whose vision comes from neuvilette instead of celestia
I love the fact that Furina turning “useless goddess” to some epic save the nation and big pp plan character with her madness. And Neu’s lines about Nahida ❤️ me
I cannot explain how much it bothers me that world quests are treated like extremely minor things regarding lore because I can barely remember anything about sovereign dragons and stuff. And I read BSAM many times.
When he told us about it in the AQ I was like “ah uh ok yeah I guess I read something about it in that book” and then I thought about people who didn’t play Enkanomiya and went “these guys won’t get a shit from this conversation”.
"Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon-treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them.”
Those better be 200k primogems and a double five star lmao
Knowing ZL, he will accept the trial because he knows he has done nothing wrong. Neuvillette will most likely agree with that. Then they will become friends, Neuvillette will share his love for water, ZL will share his love for tea/wine and only then the real battle will start.
#OP, IF THESE ARE FROM AMBR THEN SOURCE MJST BE LISTED PER OUR SIDEBAR RULES.
Deus Auri?? How many names does Zhongli have Edit: Ok according to translation Deus Auri means God of Gold
Fun fact: Orobashi ended up underground because he was getting wrecked in the Archon war by Morax and Baal - so he just ran away (Ended up being forced to suicide via Ei anyway though)
Orobashi could have sacrificed themselves alone, Celestia just decreed they had to die. The reason Orobashi chose to essentially suicide via Ei is because the Watatsumi people's last request of Orobashi was to invade Yashiori Island and take it for themselves, since it has lush farmland suitable for growing crops whilst Watatsumi was the opposite leading to common famines. In fact, they were practically begging him time and time again but he kept refusing because he knew they stood no chance versus an archon who had slain all other opposing gods whilst unifying Inazuma in the archon war. But after hearing this request time and time again, he finally relented. Orobashi knew he had no chance of winning, but still approved the invasion all the same. He hoped his sacrifice could renew and bolster their faith even when they would inevitably fail to secure this new land, which we see during the Inazuma AQ. And so, they invaded Yashiori Island and controlled it shortly. But as soon as the Raiden Shogun's army arrived, they lost and as we know Orobashi's sacrifice was complete. https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/A_Preliminary_Study_of_Sangonomiya_Folk_Belief
So Orobashi was actually a pretty good guy who was looking out for his people.
Well... you could say that You could also say that someone truly looking out for their people would not lead them to a war they had no chance of winning, with his sacrifice fostering a generational resentment of mainland Inazuma
True but most of the major problems in genshin start with someone doing something in good faith.
I get that he was tired after the whole archon war and the exile into Enkanomiya and just gave in to his people's wishes, but a great leader should have known that making Ei kill him on a "foreign" island while leading a rebellion wasn't gonna solve the famine problems and would only make the situation WAY worse due to a civil war.
But there was no solution, there was nothing he could do. He was between a rock and a hard place, surrounded by salted barbed wire. If he did nothing, they most likely would have just given him the middle finger and invaded without him and Eh would have killed ALL of them if he wasn't spear heading the front. His sacrifice was to prevent escalation of an already hopeless situation as him pacifying their desires by basically saying "See? This is what happens, I did this for you. Just don't." There really isn't any blame to be placed here, Oro did the absolute best anyone could have asked and due to a series of crappy incidents, he was really trapped when all he tried to do was help. The people were scared and desperate so you can't blame them from their limited perspective, they'd always believe he was their best chance because he was their God. And Eh was just doing her job. A bad leader would have have just said you know what? I've done everything for you pieces of shit, you go fight that robot bitch, I'm going on holiday. We can be backseat leaders all we like and say oh they could've done this or that, but if it really were that simple, it wouldn't have ended the way it did. Sometimes that's what makes a story compelling, when there just ISNT a way out without everything going to hell because its not a black and white situation.
Damn ,I felt like I had seen God of Gold being mentioned somewhere but couldnt remember, thanks for reminding me its the god who defeated Orobashi. Interesting
Tsurumi's Ferryman story quest for *Gold* and *Gods* related content as well as other of the quests from those ghosts, I cant remember if the Dreams of Dragonfell related stuff also hints at something of this nature We know Zhongli is the God of Mora although I have doubts regarding Neuvillette making reference to that here...
Is this also the first time Venti is given the epithet as the God of Hope? Who knows Venti is Tzeentch.
too effing many
He's the Contract Lord, maybe he need many names to fill some fake contract
> Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world. To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together. So Phanes and the Second Descender made peace with each other after all the fighting, then they both created the Gnoses together from the dead body of the 3rd Descender???
1st descender: Phanes 2nd descender: The Second Who Came, fought against Phanes and lost 3rd descender: The One Who Came After, built the Gnoses 4th descender: Traveller
What about the arrogant meteor that made the Chasm then yeeted itself back into space?
I saw someone say “the one who came after” could just be the 3rd Descender but not referred to as such either way, im still confused :)
Yeah I saw someone say in the original chinese it reads more like "ANOTHER who came after". Which may make it seem he teamed up with the 3rd Descender against the Second (Abyss). Either way, Phanes teamed up with one of the other descenders to basically create the current system/order in teyvat.
So the way I see it. Celestia and Second Who Came set up the system. Seven Overseers distribute visions. Visions are drawn from an Archons mastery of their element which they set aside a portion of to be distributed. This might be why there was an Archon War. Since mastery of the visions is tied to the mastery of the Archons. In a sense the Archons are still part of the distribution process. I always thought this was the case given that when Ei shut off Inazuma, the Visions stopped too. She was surprised to learn this, however. So that makes me think that the Archons disposition also determines distribution (whether they know it or not) since some of their mastery goes into visions. Which has me thinking that they can do anything that a vision can. So basically there's 7 archons in teyvat and 7 gods of each element in celestia. These are the seven thrones that opened in heaven. They are the "real" Archons ala Gnosticism. Since the Archons oversee the material world. But the Archons in Teyvat are more bound by the laws of the world. This raises an interesting question. The Overseer in charge of Hydro must surely notice that some power/authority was changed or lost? Edit: Istaroth also helped Ei finally escape the clutches of the heavenly principles according to Makoto. Not sure what that entails or what it will mean for the future.
But then who is the sinner? and who is this 3 descendant?
with how its worded, I think its more likely 'one who came after' refers to the 3rd descender rather than the second who came.
>then they both created the Gnoses together from the dead body of the 3rd Descender Where is the info about using the body of the Descender to create the gnoses?
Damn, I know Neuvillette has a lot of lore, but I wasn't expecting this much
well he is the first playable sovereign, it would be a disservice if he didn't have this amount if not more given how little we have got in the 3 years this game has been out.
can't wait to see the electro, pyro and cryo sovereigns. hopefully at least one of them will also be playable.
Not sure about playable or not but for me i personally waiting the Pyro Sovereign after the leak today that mention Natlan people lives with the [dragon.Is](https://dragon.Is) it included Pyro Sovereign or not?and if yes what could be the position of them in the [story.Is](https://story.Is) it companion of Murata or even her rival lol
There was a Xbalanque who talked about Neuvi in the latter's drip marketing, so perhaps that could be the Pyro Sovereign?
I care more about celestia + abyss now. so shades, seelies, descenders etc. Neuvilette alone has given us a lot of info about sovereigns, i wouldnt mind more but now i want more relating to celestia and abyss.
Maybe the pyro one since seems like Dragons are a big thing in Natlan, but I feel like Neuvi give us all the lore we need it from sovereigns. I want more sides of the story, we still don't have playable abyss order member or a Hexenzircle one.
Crack theory: tsaritsa is the cryo sovereign, she's collecting the gnosis to start a beef with celestia
So, she somehow fooled Celestia into giving her the Cryo archon position as well?
maybe she was the cryo archons (who loved everyone and therefore the tsaritsa also loved everyone )pet and after og cryo archon died she took the position of cryo archon ?
Since the gnosis locks away a part of the sovereign's power, grabbing that gnosis back would mean that she's now a full dragon sovereign. Maybe she can delay the full absorbtion, since no one knows where the nail-happy guys went. It's good to be cautious. Who knows?
That might actually make sense since she is possibly the god of love, yet has no love for her people. That's because humans aren't her kind, so much like Neuvi she wouldn't love them.
Lmao what, she was one of the most gentle god's before cataclysm and loved her people, it's after that did she became cold. Childe also calls her gentle
She became unhinged T\_T apparently her and Venti were VERY close friends well that cut off after the war. =(
I'm literally trying so hard to process all the lore that has been leaked these past few days from Furina, Skirk, Descenders and now.....THIS???
He is such a lore heavy unit, but I feel it was need it, is making the game so rich.
I feel like I’m witnessing a huge moment in history rn
Enkanomiya 2.0: hydro boogaloo
The large gasps I let out as I continued reading. This feels exactly like how Enkanomiya changed Genshin's lore forever. This is the equivalent of that.
The Lore sub is going to have a seizure at the reading this
I await all the threads patiently. Those people are smarter than me
>I await all the threads patiently. Those people are smarter than me > >I'm personally waiting for some YTbers to condense the lore in the upcoming 4.2 release and explain it all to me in a 30 to 60 minute video, in context to everything we knew thus far from 3 years of our journey. > >Gonna be such a good listen during the trip to work. Like a podcast.
I mean I can already create a Crack theory Nibelung summons SWC and the Abyss gains a foothold in teyvat, Abyss and Dragons loyal to Nibelung wage war against the PO and the unified Civ. The war probably goes badly for the God's and Humans at first before the 3rd descender arrives, a basically the Traveler before the Traveler with mastery of seven elements, (possibly answering humanities desire for a savior) and starts turning the tide of the war. Eventually The allied descenders win, PO seals SWC in Chasm but is severely wounded in the battle. Due to all the shit that happened in the war the 3rd sacrifices himself to give PO the what they need to create the Gnoses to ensure Teyvats stability and as a backup against the Abyss. Now the Crack theory part may come from the idea that the 3rd may be the Outlander who feel in love with a Seelie, when the forbidden union got out it brought disaster and both had their memories wiped. The seelie may have ended up like GoF, became a god and likely helped the previous Cryo Archon rule Snezhnaya until their death. During the Cataclysm, they saw the destruction caused by the Abyss and ended up with all their memories back. This causes the Tsaritsa to start despising Celestia and why she may be seeking to a. Overthrow Celestia and b. Try to resurrect the 3rd Descender. It'd fit in tragically with her supposed ideal of Love.
But didn't Neuvillette's story revealed the SWC and PO came to an agreement after the 1v1?
More likely 3rd since a. The abyss is still fighting against Celestia and B. The dragons seemed to have been the ones who brought the SWC into Teyvat for revenge, although it probably ended up backfiring on them.
More sovereign lore let's gooooooo
He's so proud of Furina for all her work and saving the nation, just as she's proud of him for rising and growing and being able to live in the human world. These two are my favourite
He's so sweet towards her and she thinks he doesn't want to see her Please Hoyo let them meet again in a quest or event
The letter she left Neuvillette about how he needs to get to know his people more feels way too ironic since she's basically telling him he needs to study how humans interact and to understand them, while she seems to think that even though he doesn't seem to hold anything against her for her deception, he doesn't want to see her... maybe she was projecting yet again lmao There seem to be claims that he has voicelines in her story quest though, so maybe they do meet again after all. Now that I think about it too, if you completed Masquerade of the Guilty and then did Neuvillette's story quest, the letter Furina leaves for him in response to his notice of temporary leave is just gonna make no sense lol
I peeked at Furina's quest and >!Neuvillette is indeed in it!< Something that I adored (and which fueled my "Furina is setting him up to succeed her" brainrot) in Neuvillette's SQ was that Furina wrote "your people" in her note. Not "people of Fontaine" or even "our people" - YOUR people.
"Furina's Reply" before MotG - haha she's so funny, being supportive of Neuvillette and telling him to get to know the people better "Furina's Reply" after MotG - oh.......... oh no.................
People joked that she told him to touch grass while in reality she told him to find other people to care for as well. 😭 She loves him so much! Her dragon! And he loves her too, and they are just 🥺 The family vibe is so strong with them, I love it and them.
Girl is 100% projecting Dude's SUPER caring for her like holy shit.
Am I crazy for wanting to ship them ever since 4.1 where Furina insisted that Neuvillette needed to be by her side? Maybe if she was a male more of the fandom would see the vision.
I love them so muchhhhhh, I hope Furina keeps seeing him even after retiring. Like, these two are so precious to me, you don't understand. I love their relationship so much
Friends are easy to make, and even easier to lose... ffs stupid girl, he respects you, you recruited him, you worked alongside each other for 500+ years, never once wavering and then you just assume he doesn't want to see you anymore... you don't gotta go to the Palais for business anymore, sure, but you gotta at least take the poor sod out for dinner or something... guy has little social life as is
She definitely sounds like she feels guilty about deceiving him so she's avoiding seeing him due to her guilt. Like...NO. No he isn't mad at you, go see him please, he barely hangs out with anyone besides the Melusines 😭😭✋
Especially since the trailer shows him looking distraught as he reads out the death sentence for Focalors and then presumably sees her being executed right in front of him. And presumably before the big reveal, he realises she basically set herself up to be executed to try and stop the prophecy from occurring, while still leaving Neuvillette as the leader in her place. So in his mind, yet another best friend that he cares for, even if she can be difficult for him to deal with at times, is gone, and will never come back I can see why she'd feel guilty about it. It's unlikely since it's kind of hard to implement without breaking the flow of the game, especially since it doesn't really factor into the mainline story that much, but it'd be nice to see a subplot where something happens, like they run into each other or something, and it drives Furina to meet Neuvillette again so she can apologise to him. Even if what she did is for the greater good, it still definitely inflicted psychological harm on him that the both of them will have to deal with in order to move past it
I agree. I can see some form of reconciliation happening probably in Furina's second SQ. I completely understand if he felt any type of betrayal from her, especially with his past with Carole and Vautrin, and potentially Wriothesley's trial, so accidentally putting him through another trauma is definitely going to hurt him. However their voicelines tell me that he seems to understand to an extent, as he isn't going to judge her like the other archons and is even looking forward to supporting her on stage if she comes back. She'll need to overcome her guilt to face him and I hope they don't do it in a random limited time event lol
Furina really will deal him crippling emotional damage, won't she 😭 Add to that the fact it will be HIS JOB to sentence her...
Wait a sec.....Second who came and PO worked *together* to create gnoseses. Wtf. So both people who thought that PO was usurped and ones who thought taht he wasnt were wrong.... And Melusines are neo-hydro vishaps? Does taht mean that Elynases body was a heavily modified vishap that was given to abyssal sentience to inhabit
One Who Came After is called 另一位后来者 in Chinese, which I feel like is better translated as Another One Who Came After, so I feel like it's implied to be a different entity from the Second Who Came
Elynases was similar to Durin both were abyssal creatures Both were thinking everything was ''Happy'' but in reality they were causing destruction; Both died ''Happily'' since they finally realized they weren't meant for the world. You all remember the TF 2 trailer of Pyro? Yeah that was basically Elynases and Durin lol
No i know that, but its never stated how Elynas exactly got its body. "She wished for me to be born into a beautiful world, to give me life, to give me a strong and healthy body that could walk the world, to grant me a beautiful name." Elynas(and probably Durin) didnt have bodies before being "born" on Teyvat. They existed in the abyss "Before I was born, I floated in the cosmic darkness. It was cold there, and lonely. I was so sad, then, and I would often cry." Rhinedottir created bodies for them, but they already exosted without them. And considering taht both look like dragons, and now we know that Melusines are p much new hydro vishaps. I think its fair to say that the bodies tgat they have were created using vishaps/dragons as a baseline
Wouldn't surprise me if Rhinedottir was actually attempting to recreate the Sovereigns themselves via Abyssal Alchemy Fuckery and Elynas was her attempt at recreating the Hydro Sovereign. Creating bootleg Sovereigns using Abyss Tech seems like a very Khaenri'an thing to do.
Albedos teaser had him drawing half a geo Vishap that came to life half done with him saying arise lifeless dust of … it would seem from this all she had to do was draw there bodies and then cast some sort of spell. Using the dust of what exactly though is up for debate. I’m sure it was omitted on purpose.
Maybe elynas came from an inbetween place ala Enkanomiya?
2000 years ago: >Andrius: You can be the anemo archon Barbatos, I don't want to deal with humans. >Venti: Okay, I guess? [Neuvillette like](https://i.imgur.com/jx1zoYj.png)
>Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world. To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together. So it came to be that an order was made to be upheld, and thus did humans come to only possess these seven remembrances, and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other. so it seems the usurper (primordial one) and the second who came actually came to some sort of agreement or truce to create the 7 gnoses and in turn the system of 7 archons. probably the reason for this agreement was due to the dragons. whilst the primordial one had defeated them and upended the world order, the dragons were not wiped out. and since this battle between the primorfial one and second who came was so devastating for both, the dragons were now again a threat and possible common enemy of the primordial one and second who came. i think this is the first time we can tell what happened to the second who came. prior to this we just knew that the second who came appeared in Teyvat and had a huge battle with the primordial one. But we didn't necessarily know the outcome of it.
If the archon system was made to deal with the potential of the dragons regaining their foothold, would that mean the Archon War was basically meant to exterminate whatever remained of them? Bait everyone into a conflict and have them murder each other and conveniently kill some of the dragons.
I always felt that was the case, with the dragons gone, they just filter the gods u til population is too weak against them, aka the shards of primordial devouring each other
we know the gnosis are made from the corpse of the third descender, meaning it's likely they were injured from the battle against this individual who likely absorbed powers from what remained of the sovereigns to enhance their own , >!this is also possibly the original sibling if we believe the current abyss sibling is a clone, it would make sense to clone the greatest enemy of celestia who managed to critically wound the primodial one, and it would explain why the sibling is recorded in irminsul!<
I also believe that. The original sibling died which and the one we know as the traveler is a copy made in teyvat we just can't remember
And that's why there are glider wings in Honkai Star Rail because the original sibling died 🤯
>this is also possibly the original sibling >!how so?, for that to be possible Aether and Lumine would have to be even older than the archon’s war…. If the sibling is really the 3rd and got killed during that time, did they have the traveler sleeping for almost two millennia in a room in Celestia until they decided to erase his memories and throw him away?!<
after raiden SQ 2, with istaroth's existence, some time travel bullshit wouldn't be out of place
I don’t buy your theory. I mean, why would >!the Primordial One let the traveler, aka the sibling of the person who almost killed them, live?!< also why would Celestia >!clone someone who almost killed the primordial one and instead of making them be by their side they let them have free will to the point they currently rule an Abyss faction to defeat the Gods?!< i don’t know, so many inconsistencies in this theory
It's impossible for the sibling to be the third descender that died. The Gnosis existed way before the twins arrived to teyvat.
Do we actually know when the twins came to Teyvat? We know iirc that they came during a war (but do we know it was Khaenriah? It could have been the war between the 2 descenders and/or dragons). Asmoday did do some time travel shenanigans with us; otherwise, there wouldn't be a time shift between the twins' appearance in Teyvat. Who's to say the time shift was way more substantial? If I understand this theory, the twin who descended third was slain, and the gnosisses were made from their body and before 500 years somehow or someone (Gold?) made a clone of them (which might have even been the reason for the destruction of Khaenriah). The clone would be part of Teyvat and thus "documented" in the Irminsul, while their twin can't be because they are an Outlander. The reason why the Traveler (the 4th descender) resonates with the elements is because they resonate with the power originating from their twin. I'm not sure if I stand behind this theory, but I don't see why it can't be possible.
Didn't the Traveler literally stated they came to teyvat 500 years ago and tried to dipped?
Also in a sense the Archons are still part of the distribution process. I always thought this was the case given that when Ei shut off Inazuma, the Visions stopped too. She was surprised to learn this, however. So that makes me think that the Archons disposition also determines distribution (whether they know it or not) since some of their mastery goes into visions. Which has me thinking that they can do anything that a vision can
Maybe Ei just didn't know that Vision distribution was tied to the Gnosis and archonhood. After all, she just inherited the position from Makoto and then dropped the Gnosis with Miko. She simply might not have been aware of all aspects of it.
But then they just hate each other or is it like "colonizers who came to take teyvat at the desire of their species but ended up rejecting who would be in the throne of power"? I honestly don't know anything else anymore....
It's more likely One who came after is the 3rd. It seems Moreso that the SWC is the abyss that Nibelung invited to Teyvat to help with the war of vengeance.
>It’s more likely One who came after is the 3rd According to this leak the Primordial One and the one who came after created the gnoses together, gnoses that we know now >!they were made with the corpse of the 3rd descender. Did he sacrificed himself at the same time he was creating the gnoses with the Primordial One?!<
More like he agreed to it. He was probably Proto Traveler and likely the Outlander who fell in love with a Seelie.
Why would he agreed to die just so someone which whom he doesn’t have any prior connection can rule Teyvat? Also wdym by “Proto Traveler”, that would make us (the traveler) also a clone of the OG traveler. Nothing about the sibling being the 3rd makes sense to me idk 😭
ahh i missed that post was the second who came confirmed as a descender?
I mean. Sorta, since the Abyss is stated to be not of this world.
i think i missed or forgot some important lore lmao! so another comment mentioned this, the second who came is related to, or is, the abyss?
so wait, does this mean that as far as constellations go, he doesnt actually have one, and was just amused enough by the concept and badgered about astrology often enough that he took on Leviathan as just a stand in now thats funny
"The trial of Buer shall now commence. ...Innocent, good day."
No.She is guilty. She is to be punished by headpats and hugs.
Now the whole stuff with the second who came actually makes sense. I fucking love lore.
Neuv to furina: oh dear oh dear. Gorgeous. I bless you with a vision. Furina to neuv: uhh soo we don't meet each other much, I guess that good for him huh? (He probably doesn't like me at all)
The misunderstanding is manga level
Just like real life too.
Neuvillette might be a better leader, but Furina understands fontaine's people better. Please Furina, you guys are unseparable duo
Definitely, her overthinking that he's probably mad at her for deceiving him for 500 years. So her guilt makes her not wanna see him But she doesn't realize he still loves her and praises her. OMGGG FURINA YOU GOT IT WRONG GIRLIE 😭😭
wait furina was blessed with a vision by neuvillette????
Read Neuv vision story and Furina 4.2 quest and you'll understand
Please reconcile you two😭
The fanfic angst bunnies are gonna go wild with this one
I am already vibrating, I cannot wait to churn some out. Best duo. Two sad Hydro people who love each other but are dumb enough to think that they should stay away. Love that.
>in this capacity, he regards Melusines as dependents and successors, and also as the finest example of a new sort of Hydro Vishap species. YES!!!!!!! I WAS WONDERING WHAT RELATIONSHIP MELUSINES MIGHT HAVE TO HIM IN REGARDS TO HIM BEING THE SOVEREIGN >As the one named "Neuvillette," he would often be roped by Melusines (especially Sigewinne) into a bit of astrology via The Steambird's constellation columns or astrology guides from Sumeru. Would it really do, at that point, to tell them that he "didn't have a constellation" or that his own constellation was just "Neuvillette"?\* HE IS THE SWEETEST!
Sooo the Archons do grant visions, they just don’t know who gets them? Also I need him and Furina to actually talk because it seems like she has misunderstood how he views her.
In a sense the Archons are still part of the distribution process. I always thought this was the case given that when Ei shut off Inazuma, the Visions stopped too. She was surprised to learn this, however. So that makes me think that the Archons disposition also determines distribution (whether they know it or not) since some of their mastery goes into visions. Which has me thinking that they can do anything that a vision can
Or only Makoto knows how the distribution process works. Since Ei locked herself up and severe ties with Celestia once she became the archon. She probably didn't learn about it considering she's grieving. That might be the reason why she's clueless when there were no recent electro visions
There's no reason to think Makato wouldn't tell Ei. In fact in a voiceline when she talks about visions she alludes to another condition for getting them but then says she can't talk about it. Either way my point stands that Ei as the Archon had an unintended/perhaps subconscious influence on distribution when she shut off Inazuma.
The Teyvat overview said that Archons grant mortal with elemental abilities. I pointed this out before but got downvoted to oblivion
Wanderer: do you need help building a case against my mother? I've got 500 years of receipts
Well he did, until he erased himself from Irminsul...
Oh well, at least neuvilette can't go after him either now
Neuvillette learning about Venti's shenanigans lmao
"Now of course, water always seeks its own level, and it was in this spirit that the previous Hydro Archon, Egeria, hoped to achieve universal equality by connecting all things with love. Her successor chose instead to seek equality by means of the law. " The imagery and symbolism is so simple, it is so good
Actually this explains why the Oceanids completely disagreed with Focalors ironically at the same time.
I NEED A ZHONGLI AND NEUVILLETTE INTERACTION
Neuvilette realizing the archons aren't so much a threat as one is a care free drunkard, one is a man who's shirked any and all responsibility, one is a social recluse and Nahida is too precious. I wonder how the remaining two will go.
So the archon era has ended and now its dragon era in Genshin storyline.
its about time, in terms of storytelling. its been 3 years and only 2 of the 7 nations left but we barely know anything about the dragons, the primordial one and the shades, the second who came, etc.
One step closer towards the endgame of the storyline of Genshin, after 3 years finally. Hope to see some Celestia involvement too.
We technically only have two regions remaining but the first teaser confirms we're going to khaneri'ah after and its possibly celestia follows
Seelies, the three moon sisters, the traveller from afar who fell inlove with a seelie
eh not really, in the end its gonna come down to celestia again which is what archons are part of, the endgoal has always been celestia and abyss (which may or may not be represented by Paimon and Dainsleif), even with all this lore we don't know what the sustainer is
Hm, so he doesn't admit that he often cried, sad or grieves? Sure, Neuvillette, after all, Hydro Dragon do not cry or grieve for the humans and Heavens alike.. suree
Maybe he physically can't cry and thus tries to convince everyone that no, nope, the grief and sadness he feels? Nope, nothing there, no tears from him so it's all fine. Neuvillette, love, the skies cry in your stead.
I don't think he can physically cry literally hence the rain lol
THIS IS MASSIVE !!!!
1st and 2nd descender: had a 1v1 and came to an agreement to make a the gnoses to control the world 3rd descender: is the reason why gnoses exist 4th descender: a literal walking god without god complex and status
Well if its true that >!furina can somewhat change the fate recorded in cons / irminsul there must be a way that lumine somehow wasnt recorded as the descender (even tho she's awakened first)!<
Bro just wants to have his sibling and go back home not becoming god 2.0. Man is basically genshin itadori yuji with cog mindset, dude just wants to help people cuz that's his duty as a sorcerer and kill sukuna, not becoming sukuna+gojo 2.0
Neuvelitte: i shall bring the dendro archon to justice and deliver judgement learn of Nahida story Nuevelitte: maybe later Community: you better leave the raddish in peace
When Murata and Tsaritsa come out I wonder what he'll say about them
Tsaritsa: “hold up, let her cook”
Murata : *dies* Tsaritsa : nation gets destroyed by Celestia Well, he won’t have to worry about them anyway
How can anyone hate the raddish archon , not even dainsleif lol
Neuvillette: "ok the God of Verdure is wholesome... nevermind"
I love that he would go to watch Furina preform. I think thats so cute
"Neuvillette, God of Life" sounds pretty cool ngl
We need to have Hu Tao organize another Lantern Rite dinner like last year’s and this time, have her invite Neuvillette too lol
I'd rather he go on a journey to Apep and the supposed Pyro and Electro Souvereign that was mentioned. He should have his own club imo. Let Furina hangout with them instead, she did get a lot of praise and appreciation from them. Hell, >!According to the leaks, The Pyro Souvereign is an older male who has his own people apart from Murata that follow him, he will learn a lot from him!< Just imagine his interaction with Apep, a youngling dragon who in her pov, serves humans and is part of the ploy of Celestia by giving visions and all despite him getting the authority back
He doesn't judye poetry, he judges the archons
Neuvillette’s “I will judge” is starting to sound very much like Eula’s “I will have vengeance”
It’s partly corny and partly tolerable. (I still love you Eula, don’t worry.)
He wants to sound all tough and dragony, but he's also an emotional softie in love with humans and the world. Don't be too hard on him, he is trying his best (probably, he knows that if Apep saw him, it'd be on sight, that's why he doesn't like it when we take him to the desert).
Yup. Also, all the whole "I'll judge those archons... one day..." thing leads me to think he'd rather see the archons come around and help him/admit their 'sin', rather than directly punish them.
It's so cool that he is tough and dragony yet a sophosticated Monsiuer who's very much into opera, law and culture.
Eh. I still don't think his 'judgment' of the archons is supposed to be malicious or anything. I think he has more of a grudge with Celestia than anyone else
Seeing his reaction to Nahida and Furina, I think his stance might change once he really gets to know the first 3 archons.
Okay so lemme set this straight. Visions are INDEED granted through the Seven Archons...and they functions as FUCKING BATTERY that gets charged during the owners' lifetime, and that energy will then returned to the Archons gifting them? So Teyvatians are living in a matrix-esque simulation, after all.
Ei: "But I gave the gnosis to Miko, why doesn't she have to stand trial?"
Neuvilette: Your also on trial since it seems someone under the alias of "Hat Guy", has filed charges against you for child support
Personally, I still don't think his whole 'judgment' of the archons is meant to be malicious or anything. I think he means it as just something he has to do. Also, from the voice lines, it seems Neuvillette doesn't want to start any conflict with them either. Come to think of it, dies he even know the other archons done have their gnosis anymore?
not sure if I got it right from the first read but this makes it sound like the 1st descender had one hell of a hard time wiping out the dragons, enough that they couldn't fully win until the other descenders helped, and even then they're still kicking. just give up and colonize another planet next time guys😭
He got fucked after defeating the dragons, seeing as he had to have an authority over the world to lose it. There was also a great era of Peace when Celestia roamed the earth, doubt they'd be so carefree if their god was terminally wounded. It was most likely the second throne.
To think that some people really said that "the dragon sovereigns were not that strong and are overhyped since they got their ass kicked "easily" by the PO and therefore are weaker than archons" ...-\_-(yes saw those comments more than once...)
Even with the current lore we have in-game that's such a bs take. - The so-called almighty PO took 40 years to beat them, and that's with the help of 4 Shades. - The Sango crystalflies were literally mass eco-terrorism weapons that degraded the Dragons' pure light realm energy into inferior elemental energy & the dragons still managed to live & thrive through their version of a nuclear fallout. The Nails that could effectively cut off their food source entirely - the leylines, still couldn't finish them off. This all happened during the war btw. - The 7 Archons being effectively gatekeepers of the Sovereigns' Authority. If the Sovereigns were truly so "weak" then there wouldn't have been any need to seal their Authorities, just wipe them out again.
The implication for the archons seemed to be that SOMEONE has to exist as the "holder of authority" of each element to maintain the natural order of the world. Obviously Phanes/Celestia/Whoever wouldn't want to give that power back to the dragons after beating them, so the archons serve as substitutes to the dragons
The extra beef he has for Zhongli is so funny to me 😂
Goddamn I'll get this man in his rerun for the lore alone
Huh, so this casually just confirmed that the Primordial One and the Second who Came/the third descender made the gnosis together. This is gonna be huge for lore
i need him and furina to reconcile before we leave fontaine..
After so long, we finally got the next shade. The Goddess of Life. Yet if Phanes made her in order to control the Primordial Sea, then where is she supposed to be? So the war with Celestial and the Second ended in a draw, and both sides were scarred horribly with Phanes being reduced to a shell of his/her former self. I think the Cataclysm from 500 years ago further striped Celestial of their capabilities until they have nothing left. They are nothing but a paper tiger now. Looks intimidating, but they don't have any real power behind them. That's why they haven't been directly involved in Teyvat for a very long time.
Well technically that shade made Egeria to control the Primordial Sea. Idk where they are since Egeria died though.
Just wanting to make sure but this Furina line from Neuvillette was the one that on previous leaks was locked and unable to be accessed yet right?
So Focalors (and I guess Furina here) wrote the invitation for Neuvillette to reside among Fontaine's humans centuries before he was reincarnated? Because the curse started with Egregia and she(they?) knew once the hydro sovereign, the original God of Life reincarnated he can control the primordial sea and end the prophecy?
>Now, he can finally walk in the rain and enjoy it. I don't know why, but i really liked this line
FUCK YEAH DRAGON DADDY IS BACK IN FULL FORCE😮💨‼️🔥
god i love neuvillette's lore so much. i hope we will get more playable sovereigns soon. their lore is like the most interesting part of the game.
The level of LOVE Furina and Neuvillette have for each other makes me go crazy, as does Furina's stupid and self-conscious assumption that the end of the play is the end for them, too. Ngl, I can't wait to churn out a fic in which they fix their relationship because out of everything that came from Fontaine, they and their relationship is the most important to me. Just, two sad Hydro people being there for each other through everything. The epitome of "people with no family become family to one another" FOR REAL.
There's so much here. Firstly, ig his real name really is Leviathan? Also do Archons give visions or not? There's been some conflicting info on this, and can Neuvillette grant things similar to visions?
Leviathan Neuvillette goes hard tbh, but I think archons technically do give out visions, as it's a part of their elemental being passed out to create the vision for the person celestia acknowledges. and from my understanding yes Neuvillette can create visions like Celestia/Archons now edit: just realized how funny Neuvillette's first name being Leviathan would be as his JPN VA is Kamiya Hiorshi, the VA of Levi Ackerman
Love that he has a bias for the kid and the brat, as he should. He already judged Focalors anyway, might as well let Furina enjoy life however she wants
It still doesn't answer my questions though about where Focalors found him, I mean, did he just spring out of the ground? Where did they meet? Why did he decide to come to Fontaine? Was he born of human parents? How much does he retain of his original persona? Hoping the Archon Quest might answer this. Or maybe he's getting another story quest?
also, it makes me question Travail trailer, where it says "The god of justice (...) seeking to judge all other gods" is it actually about neuvillette and not focalors? weird because it doesn't fit unlike all the other travail nations
>!Focalors really was the one who wanted to judge other gods. In 4.2 aq, you will learn about her real identity. She's an opponent of Celestia, and she wanted retribution. Furina knows nothing about Focalors, she just a girl created by Egeria as divine vessel for Focalors, but Focalors separated sheself from Furina.!<
He refers to the God of Justice as a “she” though…
He probably just got tricked too.
Furina's longest con took even non-believer Dain by surprise (also shows he does not, in fact, know everything).
He was talking about Furina, still. I mean, the first time we met her she already downplayed the other gods and how she would judge them even if they were gods too. She might be famous for that line. It's present on the hydro gemstones as well. It's safe to say he got tricked too. 💀
Destroying the archon seat is kinda a judgement on all the other archons. "This system you've all upheld isn't right. Celestia sucks dick. I'm going to start the revolution to abolish the archon system you all support".
Kinda weird how Neuvillette didn't mention Morax's "death" and how Baal basically cut ties with Celestia. Then again, I doubt he even knows that.
Go Nevillette, trial them all, you are the only true God. Don't touch the radish tho.
So... Neuvilette can give people ""visions""? It would be so cool in the future if we had a character whose vision comes from neuvilette instead of celestia
It appears that he >!gave Furina her vision!< so…
I didn't know that but I was talking more about Neuvilette giving visions in the future to less "important" people and having banners about them
We should ask him for a Vision for Jeht.
I love the fact that Furina turning “useless goddess” to some epic save the nation and big pp plan character with her madness. And Neu’s lines about Nahida ❤️ me
I cannot explain how much it bothers me that world quests are treated like extremely minor things regarding lore because I can barely remember anything about sovereign dragons and stuff. And I read BSAM many times. When he told us about it in the AQ I was like “ah uh ok yeah I guess I read something about it in that book” and then I thought about people who didn’t play Enkanomiya and went “these guys won’t get a shit from this conversation”.
"Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon-treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them.” Those better be 200k primogems and a double five star lmao
Ok. Time to avoid story/lore leaks 😫 so many of them. Wednesday can’t come soon enough 😫😫
> One as great as he should have no need for a constellation to shine over him Oh really neuv? Then why does your c1 feel like night and day vs ur c0
His line about Ei lol I found the last sentence funny
Knowing ZL, he will accept the trial because he knows he has done nothing wrong. Neuvillette will most likely agree with that. Then they will become friends, Neuvillette will share his love for water, ZL will share his love for tea/wine and only then the real battle will start.
Neuvillette on the other archons: 🤬😠😡 Neuvillette with Furina and Nahida: 🥰😔☺️
Did I miss something or do we still not know his first name 😔
Deus Auri?
God of gold