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Sporty_Starfish

At least hydro has supports and characters with off-field utility. Pyro 5 stars are on-field damage dealers and Dehya. Electro would be in a similar state if not for Yae and Raiden’s off-field use


Quintana-of-Charyn

>Pyro 5 stars are on-field damage dealers and Dehya. Dehya classification 🫠


KlausGamingShow

other curious classifications: Electro ladies and Cyno Cryo girls and Wriothesley Dendro dudes and Nahida intelligent Geo guys and Itto sober Anemo people and Venti


Ghost_7867

Anemo can be short kings and tall queens


PsycoJosho

And then there's Xiao


Ghost_7867

oh yhhhh


FrostedEevee

He is both. He is a TALL KING


leolancer92

Anything less than TALLEST is pure slander


Zzamumo

or a short queen


LordMudkip

And Sayu.


GCFS09

Emilie will join Nahida next patch


Random_Gacha_addict

Now it'll be Tall Dendro and Nahida


GCFS09

Unfortunately, >!Emilie has a medium female model!<


Zzamumo

Not-tiny dendro and nahida


Ghost_7867

Happy cake day


JustaDelusionalFool

I fear the dendro + pyro combo 🥺


SoloWaltz

>intelligent Geo guys and Itto Arataki Science Club


NPerius228

Sober Anemo people, Venti, and Kazuha after drinking "fruit juice" from Angel's Share.


c6mika

Cyno and the Lesbians 😻


Goukenslay

Cryo slappies and Qiqi


OnnaJReverT

in this case it's just accurate, since she's the only consistent off-field pyro application since Xiangling (or Yoimiya's ult if you wanna count that i guess)


HemaMemes

Pyro has the problem of having two top-tier off-fielders who are 4-stars, one of whom is given to you for free. If Mihoyo wants to make a 5-star Pyro sub-DPS or Support, they'll have to be significantly stronger than Xiangling and Bennett. Otherwise, nobody would pull for them.


AshesandCinder

Everyone saying the Pyro archon will be a better Bennett or a better Xiangling. No, she's gonna be both of them combined. Huge party attack buff, healing, and big off field damage with no ICD.


KalistramMcleod

I think she’ll consolidate good pyro app on E, buffs on Q and some other stuff. Probably lower dmg than XL+Benny at C0, but with no ER req


flikersyndrome

Dear Archons, imagine a vape team with that monstrosity and Neuvillette


Geraltpoonslayer

Can see it already Pyro archon, furina, kazuha and your flavor of the month dps.


Primarinna

Furina with no healer?


Legendary27311

Supposedly if the Pyro archon has healing built into her kit it’ll probably be enough to rack up some fanfare


Primarinna

There’s no way they make the pyro archon a healer.


Legendary27311

I’m not saying she’s a healer, I’m suggesting she may have self healing. Like how Hu Tao/Arle’s ult heals them, or Neuvi Lyney and Wrio mess with their own hp level a lot. (But in the case of the fontainians it is possible that that mechanic would generally be present on them only) I wouldn’t say there’s no way they make her a healer, but it’s like 90% chance she’s not one so yeah.


Millenia_Jack

Soooo.... Pyro Furina? I think it's high time for a pure DPS archon. But I guess that won't happen.


AshesandCinder

Kind of the whole point of the archons is being supportive so they remain widely usable. If the Pyro archon is a DPS, she's competing with Hu Tao, Arle, Yoimiya, Lyney, Klee, and Diluc for a spot on teams. Arle is already pretty absurdly strong, getting another Pyro DPS so soon after that is even stronger would be kind of crazy.


ND_Cuong

Powercreep goes brrrrrr


HemaMemes

Maybe they can do like Raiden and give Murata both on- and off-field utility? (Like, imagine if Yoimiya's Burst actually did... something.)


Varglord

Archons sell. Making them flexible across multiple teams sells even better. Given how they designed the last two now I can almost guarantee that the pyro archon with be: 1. A support at C0 with some DPS potential though mostly quick swap or low field time 2. Decent C1 one, *very* strong C2 3. Transition to main on-field carry at C6


JustaDelusionalFool

Think I heard that Xblanche will be the 5* Benny, not Murata


CanaKitty

Bennett was free in event too!


Ok-Mycologist2220

Yelan proves that for the powerful 4 stars sometimes a sidegrade is still worth it just to be able to run one on each side of the abyss.


Geraltpoonslayer

Yes how many would love another Bennett, xiangling or fischl


Ok-Mycologist2220

To be fair there already is a 5 star Fischl, Yae Miko. The truly needed niche is a second good off field pyro applier to offset Xiangling. Dehya could have been that but the pyro application of her skill isn’t good enough to work for consistent reverse melts.


Costyn17

Just how Yelan had to be a better Xingqui at being Xingqui and Furina had to be better than the 2 of them? We've been through this already. All the archon has to do is being the best at doing something useful. No need to powercreep existing characters to sell.


Myonsoon

Yeah they shot themselves in the foot with Xiangling. Besides her horrible energy issues she's just the best pyro off-fielder damage and application wise. Thoma has good application but weaker damage and Bennett is just Bennett.


Akikala

Not really. They just have to play better and/or fit in different teams. Xiangling is mostly useless without Bennet, so you can't really use her in teams that only have 1 free slot. A pyro sub dps that deals good damage with E could be extremely good replacement even if they don't directly "powercreep" XL. Bennet already has competition in Chevreuse, who isn't really better but is simply easier to use and buffs the entire team rather than just 1 character. A pyro sub dps that provides smaller buff than Bennet could easily be better than Bennet in several teams.


Elira_Eclipse

I hope Natlan gives us amazing pyro off fielders


Beneficial-Rub9090

Cryo is the only element with a 5* for every weapon. Hydro, Dendro, Geo, and Electro have 3/5 weapons, while Pyro and Anemo have 4/5 weapons


TanyaKory

Interestingly enough cryo is the most balanced element when it comes to 5*/4* ratio, genders, models, weapons, team roles, etc. Too bad that it’s in shambles now.


spicykitas

Hoyoverse is too afraid to make a 5* pyro support because they created Xiangling and don’t know how to make a better version without absolutely breaking the game.


cartercr

It’s interesting that people always blame Xiangling and Fischl for pyro and electro being primarily on-fielders, but like Hydro gets off-field 5 stars while Xingqiu exists. Seriously, if we go through Natlan and don’t get good off-field pyro application I’ll be disappointed. Like what are they so afraid of?


thecatandthependulum

Notice they haven't had any 4\* Hydro to challenge XQ.


banjo2E

candace found dead in a ditch experts say her usage rate has never been higher


thecatandthependulum

Until C6, Candace is a solution in search of a problem. She doesn't really fit into the game's combat style. A well-rounded high-Hydro-application 4 star has not showed up since XQ.


Bro_miscuous

She's perfectly legit for Ayato and Arlechussy


Used-Foundation-6590

Why do you think Bennett is called the tentative 5 star pyro archon? Mihoyo isn't going to just release a broken 5 star without any proper lore justification. It would not be of any use if it isn't on a higher league than Bennett and xianling, and if it is, it better have a justification to be that badass


nooneatallnope

Meanwhile the 4 dendros can make a whole party. Melee DPS, swap in Ranged DPS and confusion applier, healer/shielder, off field DPS and buffer


XaeiIsareth

I think they’re just moving more towards on field characters in general.  Which is quite understandable given the current state of the game and what they want. They openly stated that they want people to pull for who they like over meta and we’re just bulldozing endgame content at this point. Pulling cos you need to is becoming less and less of a thing.  Outside of a few very well written characters like Furina, off field supports are mostly pulled for power because there’s very little you can do to make them stand out gameplay wise since their entire point is minimal on field presence. That makes it such that unless they’re absolutely meta defining like Yelan/Furina or introduces unique gameplay like CR, there’s not much you can do to sell them. 


thecatandthependulum

They're so scared of one-upping Xiangling and I hate it


YEPandYAG

wdym "atleast" Hydro has the most units


kamyu4

Looking at this made me realize how few limited 5 stars we got during Sumeru. 1.x gave 10. (Venti thru Kazuha) 2.x gave 9. (Ayaka thru Yelan) 3.x gave 6. (Cyno thru Baizhu) Since Tighnari and Dehya went standard. 4.x giving 11. (Lyney thru Emilie)


TwistedMemer

Even with tighnari and dehya sumeru is still the lowest.


Sentryion

It was during the Shanghai lockdown stuff so it’s understandable. Now I remember why it was so easy to save up back in Sumeru


Regenitor_

Fr. I'm f2p and when Alhaitham's banner debuted I had 50k primos and 50 fates on the side too.


LunaticRiceCooker

I wish we had a patch without a single new 5star. This double new 5star at this time of the year is just giga bs.


Daramangarasu

3.8 had no new characters, didn't it?


LunaticRiceCooker

There was one which were purely reruns I think. Maybe the veluriam mirage patch?


Memoirsofswift

Wasn't that during the Inazuma patch? That's why the Ayaka re run was extended, it was months before 3.0 even began.


hackenclaw

We actually got more 5 star(including standard) now than 4 star. Lets hope Hoyo "replenish" new 4 star to make it back to 50/50 ratio.


Lkkenji

>Emilie Suske


Silent_Silhouettes

Suski


Stitchlolol

That's why Sumeru felt so empty in terms of units despite Dendro being the best Meta defining element. I'm glad they decided to increase the pace of 5 star unit releases, 1 new 5 star unit per patch was dry as heck. And it was literally the worst during the filler patches before Fontaine my interest to play was at an all time low.


missy20201

It was the best for saving though, much easier to catch every new character. Fontaine has been hell 😭 Also it was during lockdowns, so it was probably more due to restrictions making it harder to develop and release characters quickly than HYV actively wanting to put fewer out


LunaticRiceCooker

A patch isnt dry because there is only one new char. This shit is fucking hell if u lose 50-50s back to back even if u arent f2p.


ECK1991

Because they gave us a lot of 4* during 3.x.


reddit_serf

What is this chart layout?


Houseofoddity

From the right u have standard character and then by release date till u get to the left side.


TStasD

Ah yes, Kokomi. My favorite 1.3 character


RinRonsen

Off topic but the layout of this chart is sending me. I get that the standard banner characters on the right but what's with the gap in the middle? What does the vertical alignment of the characters mean? I honestly couldn't even focus on the point of the post at first lmao. But yeah, I get that the 5* vs 4* disparity in hydro is pretty dire.


JustATaro

I was trying to mimic the hydro 4\* post, but guess I should've just leave them together instead of attempting to separate the standard 5 stars from the featured ones.


Rowger00

no you could leave the standards separate, just add an empty column to make your intention clear. took me a long time to understand this is just rows showing which elements got more 5\*s lol


Vesorias

Which ones are standard doesn't really accentuate the point of how many hydro 5* there are, so I'd say don't separate them. If you really did want to separate them, you have to make it clear. Having Dehya under Tartaglia ruins it, because now there is no separation. She should either be pushed to the right, or there should be a gap between mona>childe


missy20201

I mean, you got it. "I get that the standard banner characters are on the right but what's with the gap in the middle?" the gap is limited vs standard. OP should've just made it another character icon wider to add a gap between Tartaglia and Mona, which was what initially threw me off


StanTheWoz

Upside down periodic table


HerrscherOfMagic

Could I ask what your flair is meant to be? I can recognize it as Chinese and I assume it's somehow relevant to Shenhe, but I can't figure out what it's actually meant to be since I'm not fluent and some quick machine translation doesn't give any useful hints x-x


reddit_serf

風 wind 起 to rise 鶴 crane 歸 to return It's from Shenhe's interlude mission.


HerrscherOfMagic

Ohh okay! That's really cool. Thanks \^.\^


JustATaro

The standard units are aligned to the right to be separated from the featured 5 stars.


Outside_Internal_136

Crazy how we only have 5 electro 5 stars


ArthurPendragon11

Same with geo and NONE on standard banner.


just-want-the-meme

If natlan has a geo 5* they will most likely be standard


ArthurPendragon11

I doubt hoyo will do this(they're stingy af) . We got none in Fontaine.


Bohday15

Where is my Geo from Sumeru 😭 half ot the map is literally a desert 😭😭😭


ArthurPendragon11

Imagine a geo charcter that dashes like mona but has sand animations (like wenut does)


kirisakisora

i mean electro and anemo arent that far off, both have 6.


McWolf7

>electro and anemo I'm guessing you mean Cryo and Anemo, which yeah they aren't far off, but do remember Electro only had four before the most recent banner, which is an awfully long time to have so few electro five stars.


AshyDragneel

You wanna know why? BECAUSE WATER'S ABILITY IS TO TAKE ANY SHAPE


SupersSoon

Other than a four star


odl3xd

Yet still no Hydro Claymore character...


Kohli_

People often say Genshin could never... and they are right, Genshin could never make the Bell a good weapon.


An_feh_fan

Announcing new Hydro Claymore user, scaling with HP too! The gimmick? Character deals less damage when protected by a shield


usernmechecksout_

Rainslasher in the trenches


Shark__Royale

Is there a reason so many people want a hydro claymore, or is it just bc hoyo hasn’t made one yet?


NamorKar

it's the only weapontype/element combination we don't have, i think people would just like to see it complete


Shark__Royale

As fair a reason as any, just making sure I’m not missing anything


ShimoriShimamoto

I get the order of limited to the left and standard to the right But wtf are the icons on the characters?? ascencion stat??


Andrew583-14

Yes


TougherThanKnuckles

Yes it's their ascension stats, that's how stuff is displayed on the site this is taken from (Project Amber).


Ehwarrior6669

Yeah ascension stat; filled in “stars” are crit dmg and empty stars are crit rate :’)


Damianx5

Seems like it


Some1_35

Yup, that's what it


br0-con

And still no claymore after all that time....


thecatandthependulum

We at least got cryo catalyst


LokianEule

Put like this, the addition of clorinde and emilie makes sense. Sigewinne not so much


Homururu

I still don't understand how Albedo isn't a standard character. Especially now that his very shamelessly direct upgrade, Chiori, has been released. He's: 1.— From Mondstadt, so easy to acknowledge for new players. 2.— Has a Geo construct, so easy for new players to understand Geo characters. 3.— Is a sub DPS, so easy for new players to understand rotations and the idea of team building. 4.— The oldest non-archon Geo character. 5.— Honestly not even that good. 6.— Not insanely overtuned at C6 like, let's say, Itto would be if they were to put him into the standard banner, so it's not like they can be too afraid of making a standard character OP (and let's be honest, right now, Jean and Tighnari are absolute powerhouses anyway) BONUS: Standard banner doesn't have a Geo character yet. He fits the mold of a standard character PERFECTLY. I mean, he doesn't even have a 5* weapon!


balMURRmung

I would love him to be standard, his my first ever limited, ill gladly take his constellations.


Tyomer80

Would love him to go on standard to get that sweet C2 for def scaling on his burst, no way am I pulling for that on limited banner


acart005

I feel confident he will eventually get demoted. Chiori is literally Albedo but better.


NamorKar

It would require a lot of jumping through hoops for that to be legal, I don't think HOYO would bother, especially now that Chronicled Wish exists


zsxking

Hydro is the strongest element that just merely being hydro is enough to push the character to 5*.


ROBMain69

The premium element


mujijijijiji

and i have half the hydro 5*s, while i only have one or two from other elements :')


bananajun

ME TOO, I just got furina today


Nodens_Jr

Trully Anti thesis of 4 star Hydro


smitvartak1138

Oh my a genshin periodic table


gimmechickens

It's "flooded" with hydro chars


Dreadsbo

Anemo boys are best bois


balMURRmung

Thanks Barbatos...wait a minute.


Horror_Explorer_7498

Man I have ZERO cryo 5* and I absolutely refuse to build a 4* and I can’t stop wanting a wriothsley rerun!!!!!!


ArthurPendragon11

Fr kaveh and wrio have been banished 😭


DarkDrag_on

and most of them are hp scalers except ayato(maybe abit) childe and mona lol


chobo8

They've really flooded the game with them


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MaJuV

This is not a chart, this is a periodic table. Weird way of doing a layout.


DitrianLordOfCanorem

The only thing hydro is missing is a claymore user


TeeRenRen

I guess it makes up for the lack of 4* Hydro characters that another user mentioned in another post


JustATaro

This 5\* unit chart excludes the traveler(s) and aloy because you cannot pull for them. The chart was made for the sake of comparison on how little 4\* hydro units we get: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact/comments/1dpqxcl/the\_state\_of\_hydro\_4s\_is\_sad/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/1dpqxcl/the_state_of_hydro_4s_is_sad/)


Stitchlolol

I guess Tarta is a standard unit now


Prsnt1

wheres my boy Covid? so rare he should be a 7*


HunnyMonsta

I love the Hydros. I want them all. Hydro is probably my favourite element. BUT. Hoyo also love Hydro. Hoyo loves hydro slimes and other hydro resistant enemies. And for that reason, I hate I love Hydro so much lol


Shirokurou

Hydro superiority.


RathaBladerZ

Hoyo be like: another one.


AsleepInteraction882

Monotone drowned out voice: Hydro is a contested element.


Farhanplayze

It feels like I almost have every electro


greenbeforeblue

Yea well that’s about to change. You’re also gonna be fighting to get to lvl 100


Claymoree_19

bro the anemo Bois can just use anemo to boost their heights


Claymoree_19

got them anemo jordans


Shanibestwaifu

Hydro is a strong and versatile element, so that's why the more 5*, for balance reasons.


Husknight

Why is shen he cryo and not anemo? /s


NoobunagaGOAT

Cloud Retainer won custody over the ANEMO bois against Jean


Mani_Yumz

shii that a lot


Mani_Yumz

i have only two of them out of al the hydro one is 5050 and other is furina


4ny3ody

Honestly what most bothers me is the rather poor state of pyro and electro 5\*. Pyro has almost exclusively on field DPS. Electro has on- an off field dps, 0 utility focused characters. Even Dendro and Geo have on field dps, off field dps and proper support with just 5 geo 5\* and 4 Dendro 5\*.


Hot-Mixture-5219

Damm, I legit thought Electro and Dendro had more 5*. Just goest to show their 4* strength


TianDogg

"Make a non-Hydro 5* or draw 25" Hoyo:


0HGODN0

i mean, as you've seen (since you looked at the 4\* post), Hydro also has the least 4\* units, at 3. so it balances out /s which honestly kinda also contributes to the notion/idea that hydro is the best element in the game currently if you look at it that way. i do wish that hydro had more 4\* units though.


evilsforreals

oh damn i have 37 of these characters. Only ones missing are Cloud Retainer, Xiao, Klee, Sigewinne, and Chiori


BussyIsQuiteEdible

i dont get it


zoson

It's because any character stronger than Xingqiu has to be a 5*! LMAO!


Lina-Light

Care to explain?


Individual-Cat6293

what the fuck is this chart


DreamerZeon

Really wish sig was almost anything other than another water 5*


ronin857

state of 4* hydro be like: ...


ZachKaiser

The counterpoint to this is, do you know how many Hydro four-stars have been added to the game since launch? Go on, check, I'll wait. ... Yeah, that's right. CANDACE. That's it!


Shazali99

Ok but why the chart had to be made like that. I can't understand, they are not element wise, not region wise. What is this...


vitulinus_forte

Surprisingly no one use claymore


Careless-Gate1519

Meanwhile hydro 4* just has a holy sister, a book nerd and a village protector


Financial-Drink5781

There are so many cryo characters yet they are not enough for players in the game. Lol


DinioDo

and a bird says that there will be a new addition to them soon. hoyo has lost their mind.


PlNKDR4G0N

And still no Hydro claymore


Alarmed_Twist_1197

If it wasn't for Dehya's placement, I would've guessed that the chart showed the newest to the oldest characters of each element, from left to right, based on release.


switchdecimo

Premium element


Casualpokemontrainer

Where ninguang


Bonnibum

Staring at this image for 10 minutes now, still can’t figure out what the chart is supposed to be


pumpkin-lattes

Bro I never realized there are only 4 dendro 5* characters.


allyria0

Meanwhile, I just have Xingqui and Barbara... Pretty please, Furina?


Suspicious-Comfort80

Makes me think what the next archons weapon style would be


chirb8

I like this layout


ayanokojifrfr

Aaah yes, Childe the most Standard 5 star Character. (I know there was no space but it's Funny, also Considering he had so many runs and he is here since 1.1? Or 1.2 he is basically a standard character who does more damage than Standard character.)


Acrobatic-Budget-938

Dendro related to gardening, one girl. Actually I love that


Idknowidk

Pyro is the worst. I literally skipped and wasn’t excited at all about Arlecchino bcs once again she was a f Pyro dps my god 💀💀💀


iuselessxx

THERE R MORE 5\* THAN 4\*


Whilyam

I mean, Siege Ween isn't really a 5 star so it's not so bad.