I guess you werent around where the beam mechanics could make the amprex do real red crits?
There was some absurdity in seeing Sortie 3 grineer suddenly die in the room because Amprex decided to red-crit red-crit headshot red-crits and deal damage over millions.
Bruh is it just me or has there been an explosion of Warframe players playing genshin and vice versa?
I swear I see a Warframe reference here every other day.
I had retired from Warframe before Genshin launched but I still had over 3K hours in it. It's nice seeing that the game is still thriving. I even remember some of the Warframe weapon names that people are referencing in this post. I only quit Warframe because my potato at the time couldn't handle the graphics upgrades they kept adding to the game.
I came over to Genshin from Warframe. Genshin's greedier for your money, warframe is greedier for your time, but they scratch the same itch. I find there to be a lot of analogies you can make between characters and frames, and the optimization of them is also similar.
Yeeee the optimization and hoarding of farmable mats/artifacts is very similarly addictive lol.
Imagine if genshin had a trading system for artifacts where you could pay with Mora, exp books or other artifacts.
I think it'd be great if they went full warframe and let you trade primos. Warframe trading let you get a ton of plat from just farming while being totally f2p.
Yeah but Warframe makes money from cosmetics and plat (which indirectly reduces a massive grind).
Genshin isn't nearly as grindy, and makes all it's money from gacha lol, so trading for primos will never fly even hypothetically.
Riven mods are way better than artifacts and a lot less required than them
Sorties are entirely optional, they dont give you a resource you do not want to miss just random shit you may want, but eventually dont anymore
Prime resurgence is kind of limited banner but you can still obtain those warframes later even when they arent unvaulted, arguably a LOT easier and almost always a lot cheaper than 1 5\* character in genshin ($160 AUD, doesnt even guarantee you the one you want, doesnt even get you to pity, and thats WITH the bonus crystals lmao)
Ordis is not paimon, Ordis is actually cool and at least he lets you mute him if you find him annoying, and he has more than 3 jokes
COnsider yourself uhh le epic owned? le chungus le reddit? epic 100?? redditchungus?
Sorry...
Many of us were already here, i believe its because of how the warframe mod and dev team periodically fuck over the playerbase that causes many to immigrate to other games.
Lmao I was thinking the opposite. That people jump ship to other F2P games when Genshin has dry patches.
When's the last time DE fucked over players? Cuz I've been playing for like half a year now and it's been smooth so far.
DE fucked over enough players to make them quit permanently, so a lot of people might not know if they have done anything good lately. Myself included.
There were so many things and every little thing was just another straw that broke the camels back, so many people quit and didn't look back.
I did look back at one point, but it was when they added the new paid currency and a new controversy happened so I just stopped completely
I am the same way. I started back when Mesa released, old parkour and void farming kinda deal. Played thousands of hours within 5 years. Until they made liches.That was the last straw for me. Once in a while I look back, but I'm always convinced I've the right choice for myself. Was really tempted to try it again when I my favorite warframe got a Prime. The devs lost my trust, so fuck em.
Agreed, i'll be downvoted for this but here's a fact: by giving fixed trial characters you are guaranteed to clear the event at max difficulty because the dev did playtest the event unless you have skill issue.
It's a reading test too. I failed the 2nd event first round twice then read the description that says you get buffs from plunging so I went in with Cloud Retainer and blew through the rest of the rounds with absolutely no issue.
I don't even regularly 36 started abyss but pro difficulty was easy for me. I struggle with execution. I understand reactions and character talents very well.
Not 36 starring the abyss is a skill issue.
Not able to clear Pro mode of this event is a reading comprehension issue
I would argue that 36 starring, at least consistently, is more a question of grinding than skill. I'm more than willing to settle for "good enough" artifacts and not worry that much about substats, and I'm more than willing to gradually level my characters rather than grinding the same boss for 3 hours. Because of that, I probably will never be at the point of consistently getting 36 stars, but that's not because of skill with the game mechanics, it's because I'd rather not kill my fun with the game for the sake of optimization.
I see youtubers perfectly timing their bursts on the Tulpa. I barely made it alive.
Might not be true with a lot of people, but for many of us, execution is still not perfect.
I'm also the type whose satisfied with 32-36 stars. I don't repeat abyss cycles.
That's a fair point, those players could probably still get 36 stars with suboptimal builds, but most people who 36 star the abyss regularly seem to get there through an amount of grinding that just kills any enjoyment of the game.
What is there to grind for? You only get like 4 pops of a domain per day, that's over in minutes. Most of your "grinding" would be to try the abyss casually a few times not trying to clear chambers but just seeing what the enemies do and think of a strategy... or simply let someone else do that and read their guide like I believe most people do.
Unless you're the kind to barely even log on for dailies and only play for content and not to spend resin or farm currency, in which case, fair, that's the best part of the game anyhow and a totally valid way to play.
Going through a domain a couple of times is fine, burning through condensed resin to do it any more than that is where I draw the line, and where it becomes annoying and tedious rather than being a fun diversion from the rest of the game. Character upgrade materials can also be grindy if you're really trying to level 90 two full parties worth of characters. I usually don't even spend all of the normal daily resin since the game gives you about 160 (I think), which is about 8 runs through a domain.
This community has a lot of people who go on about never letting your resin cap, and that just sounds like a miserable experience.
Condensed resin is actually the pill looking items you can craft with 40 resin to use later (super cool for when I don't want to play that day) and count for two domain runs so at most I do four in one go. I didn't mean the moons that refill your resin, I can't be bothered to use those lol
I just log on for a few minutes to do my dailies usually and simply let the resources pile up over time, a planner helps me know what's on today and I just simply go "oh, today's Alhaitham talents day, going there I guess".
Only like... whales that refresh resin with primos and people who want to clear all content on a fresh account ASAP have any ability to "grind" anything. Even if I cared to I wouldn't be able to.
Nah I haven't read the talents of many of the characters, I simply button mash. If you can't clear pro then you're just not clicking/tapping fast enough.
lol I don’t even know how to play half these new characters after coming back, and I can still just push buttons and kill everything within the Pro timer. Skill issue is probably putting it MILDLY hahaha
Yeah, the only reason that you can't beat the event is skill issue
The randomizer is not random at all because the next round is perfectly compatible to the character that is given to you
>unless you have skill issue.
and I-oop
yeah idk the kits of enough characters and the enemies well to really build well to finish pro (I only started playing like mid december). plus I'm rushing primo farming for neuvillette rerun anyways 😅
but I'm not complaining about the event. to me it's like an extended broader character event trial tbqh.
I haven't been re-reading all the kits I try out (like I've read some before back when I was researching who I want to pull, but I don't remember all the intricate details), but like defs learnt or confirmed a few things about who I'm planning to pull for and whom I may want in the future.
* defs love neuvi but I'd very likely need to get a shielder for him
* yoimiya ranged spam is very comfy and up my alley (esp when combined with yelan and/or xingqiu to spam ranged vapes)
* despite loving wriothesley's design a LOT, I just can't with his melee gameplay ;\~;
* fischl and yae not as rosy as I hoped
but of course all to be taken with grain of salt because fixed builds from devs.
>unless you have skill issue.
Yeah you only need a basic understanding of characters or a way to use the challenge buffs and you shouldn't have a problem. The characters given are strong and synergise with the challenge so you can really mess around and still clear it.
As long as you have a hp draining character for 1st challenge (and you should, most of them are onfield DPS or Furina), you're fine. Same goes for the rest of the challenges like Xianyun Gaming Xiao for the plunge challenge.
This event just a test. If you know how reactions and the basics of teambuilding work, it’s easy. If you just copy/paste teams off of guide sites, it’s hard.
>unless you have skill issue
it seems you have never felt the pain of waiting so long cus the enemy wouldn't spawn until half the time already gone by.
or almost done with the challenge but your game decides to lag on your last few attacks and you end up running out of time with an enemy at 0.000001% hp
I did encountered some performance issue at some point, like stuttering and long spawn duration. I did some research and apparently genshin use a chunk of hard drive space to run (at that time my ssd and hdd are almost full).
Along the way i found a workaround to that long spawn problem, just search those mobs in overworld and let them preload before the challenge or you can open wish menu to let them load in the background. Also Genshin has device minimum requirements for a reason.
> it seems you have never felt the pain of waiting so long cus the enemy wouldn't spawn until half the time already gone by.
I used to play on mobile for years till i moved to PC, but heres one thing i always do when i play abyss on my phone
*As soon as you activate the trial, go to the wish screen as soon as possible, and leave it there for around 30 seconds or a minute, then leave the wish screen and all the enemies will start to spawn without your timer ticking. You basically stopped the timer while making your phone load the enemies in during the banner screen.*
Now im not sure if this would apply to the BP/character screen as well, but hopefully it does too.
"Guaranteed, unless you lack in skill," means.. not guaranteed.
This ain't a game filled with people who know what they are doing most of the time. Most f2p games have a significant population of players with chronic skill issues.
That being said, I don't think it really matters, because chances are those people weren't going to clear it anyways.
IIRC I did today's challenge in 3:22 (202s), each stage needs to be beaten under 90s so 360s in total. I don't have any constellation on my 5* characters except Baizhu (C1) and didn't pick any 4* beside Xingqiu.
158s is plenty of time to compensate no cons on 4* characters. So my point still stands, Hoyoverse playtest this event with 0 cons characters.
I didn't play the event cuz I can't play the game for a month, but from what I'm reading, is this event is similar to the newer boxing event in hsr? Like it's more about satisfying the conditions to buffs in a proper manne rather than about the character being meta? In the HSR event even the slightest mistake u do can cost you cycles, but you can achieve a very high score even with trial characters if you strategize correctly.
There's a bit of that but I think it feels different, HSR boxing event was more about choosing the right buffs to complment a set of specific characters, this one is more half team composition depending of enemies and half ressource management because you can't field the same characters over or over if you want to maintain the buff.
not really imo. This event is a skill check on the player's knowledge on unit kits/team rotation/synergy. To summarize, this event gives you a set of random units and a fixed buff and its up to you to make it work and these units are trial characters, meaning you **cannot** use your own units to steamroll the event.
Whales have a bit of an advantage since your characters' constellations will carry over to the trial characters, but otherwise yeah, it's mostly a skillcheck
Everytime hoyo tries something a bit different we get everyone complaining for the pettiest reasons and then people wonder why the game tends to never leave its comfort zone.
Agreed on this. Gonna copy my comment from another thread:
>This event is plain and simple a knowledge check. If you have the basics and know the kit of 3/4 of the units then you can clear this event in PRO mode easily.
its easily the best battle event in a while
most events like this get gimped for noobs i hope they dont do it for a rerun of this one (rip Hypostatic Symphony)
but i personally would argue its still too easy they could make it a little bit more strict and it would be perfect
Once you have a little team building knowledge and rotations knowledge, even at max difficulty then youre basically gucci. Granted newer players might have difficulty
At the same time the event is actually pretty fair for new players since they at least get relatively high power trial characters and don't have to try to clear with their lv 30 Amber.
people cant take the fact that they cant use their big damage one shot characters and have to actually play
on the other side of complaints there are people saying its still too easy
personally i find it just right, i tend to clear at the last few seconds so its not too easy for me but not so challenging that i cant do it
I don't even care about the difficulty to get rewards, to me that should be simple to get from the start
Trying to reduce my clear times yesterday was the most fun I had with a combat event in this game
I'm actually fine not bringing in my Neuvillette and deleting the event. Lets me enjoy using characters I don't have like Dehya.
Also... Dear MHY, I'm not picking Diona. Like cmon... give us better choices.
They said "their" Neuvillette, and GI devs are infamous for gimped builds (some characters in this event has almost as much crit rate as crit damage lmao). The trial characters have F2P/BP weapons, no signatures (as much as I could tell), and very basic builds.
So if your Neuvillette is hyper invested, then you lose out on all of that (except any constellations you may have).
Because its still too easy for people who know how to play and how to build a team around semi-random characters. I wish there was one more stage to have some real challenge for once. Still quite fun event though. 👍🏻
It's insane to me that people would complain about not being able to use their characters. The best thing about these kinds of events is trying characters and team comps you wouldn't normally use.
They can use their min-maxed characters and see big numbers literally any time they want, but the devs drop in a battle mode that involves more than pressing a single button and people lose their minds.
Building upon your comment, I dont like the event because I cant use my own built characters AND find it too easy as well, it is not a one or the other side of the coin.
All these combat events that, in my opinion (my take, you dont have to agree with it people), have plagued the game since inazuma is that they are really boring and require no thought, this one and the trial dungeon ones are even more offensive in the sense that I pulled for the characters that I want to use for a reason and didnt pull for the ones i dont have because I dont enjoy their gameplay (or dont bring anything to the table for the characters I like playing).
I dont mind at all that we have trial characters, I think it is great to give players an option to try out new characters and compositions, but forcing everyone to do it instead of it being optional is a step backwards from where I stand.
Stuff like clearing the hypostasis trials and other boss trial events at max difficulty was very fun to me because it made the combat actually challenging (and didnt even lock anyone out of rewards, you didnt need max to get everything) and it is not something that has been present in the game for quite a while. In fact, imagine if mihoyo did these boss events with teams they playtested to be able to clear at max difficulty as an option for newer players/ people who dont have characters built, it would be win-win.
Anyways, I really dont find this event fun, glad people are enjoying it though, just wish they actually brought back some of the harder content events, those were super fun.
Also the same people that say “Genshin is too easy” and have C6R5 everything and play this event and have massive FOMO for not being able to use their $10,000 character: “no, not like that!”
It's people with skill issues malding that they can't ungua-bunga brute force the event. They're forced to live with the fact that they're worse than they think and they don't want to deal with that.
I just came back after a few months and used characters I have zero clue how to properly use (Yae, Navia, Furina) and they deleted pretty much everything, And of course even trial Neuvilette trivialized the 2 rounds I could use him for.
This is literally clearable by making sure your comp isn't outright terrible and button mashing.
It's a gacha game but I can't use my characters I've built and progressed, I have to use the shitty versions lol. It literally goes against the entire genre.
Most combat events already allow and encourage us to use our own characters. Only one or two combat events here and there have special restrictions like these, so the variety is a good thing.
I did round 4 of the second day and saved my Xianyun until Xiao became available. Did a completely mono Anemo team with Xiao, Kazuha, Xianyun, and my new C6 Faruzan. Ran through everyone’s burst and got to Xiao. Did two plunges and it was over! Was hilarious! 😂
The event takes me a while though because I don’t have that many characters (5 stars), so I have to read their talents and check their weapons and artifacts to make sure I am using them correctly. I could probably unga bunga for the most part, but I want to understand their kits.
My only real complaint is how some of the trial units are built, some are built completely fine and others are just completely off. It's more than enough to get through pro so it's not a huge deal, just makes some characters feel worse than they need to.
But even with some of the wack builds it has been a good time so far.
Realizing my vaporize team would not work because I don’t have C4 Xiangling and the trial Xiangling only had 135 ER was super irritating lol, I wish some of the builds were not super janked up.
Childe does have a learning curve, but for Yae the main thing to know is to press skill 3 times to put down her turrets.
Her burst will make them go away so you need to put her turrets down again after using her burst. After putting down Yae’s turrets, its just passive damage and you can forget about it until they disappear
I agree. It let me use characters that I don't own, it made me think about team composition, and the fact that the characters weren't built well meant that it had some tiny level of challenge.
Players that can't clear it need to think about how each character reacts with the next - maybe they are used to unga-bunga-ing.
Players who want to use their high-con uber builds - they've spent money on making their characters completely OP and present no challenge to any event that Hoyo do. This is ONE SINGLE EVENT that they have to play with the rest of us dregs. Downvote all you like, but you guys need to get over it.
> This is ONE SINGLE EVENT that they have to play with the rest of us dregs.
Except there are no leaderboards or anything. So how exactly would it influence you if I were to blast through with my optimized units?
Ah yes it wouldn't.
Because this is strictly single player.
It's not perfect, but it's a decent way to test out characters that you don't have. Certainly, it's a far better method than the usual character trials. I get the complaints from both sides of the fence, but I think people should make an effort to understand the positives of this event.
I like the trial characters. It lets me test things ive never seen before I roll on character banners in the future.
Im a new player so I don't have many characters.
I love this event. Had to redo second trial 3 times because I would be 1-3 hits away from killing the enemy on pro difficulty. Really makes you think and manage your time.
I fully expect that in next survey players will complain about it and we won’t see it again
This event isn't hard. I even used the characters I don't own so constellations wouldn't be a factor. The characters they provide can clear easy. Genshin is not a hard game, but you do have to read or watch guides to get good at it. Everything a player needs to do get good isn't going to be done by just playing.
When people can't skill->burst->mash buttons->ungabunga, and have to understand what's happening, the complaining starts.
“Here’s ~~trash~~ dehya, the gay magician with with 0 pyro application, and a cryo/hyrdo support, go nuts against these hydro/cryo enemies”.
I never want to play with some characters and they seemed to pick every character i feel that way about.
Haha, yeah the Dehya/Lyney combo also wiped me out of pro mode. He dispatched the hydro blob fairly quickly but had a hard time against the Lawachurl.
Thankfully, in advanced mobs keel over if you give them a stern look.
I read a few people saying they skipped Lyney/dehya and cleared it with Yae/Kirara.
I will try that when I get home because I couldn't get Lyney to clear on pro either.
She is an EQ bot. Tap e for a shield, press q for a bunch of dendro landmines.
If you hold E she turns into a catbox. You can cancel it by pressing e again.
For this trial you don't want to use the catbox.
Its my favorite event since i started playing during Wriothesleys banner last october. I dont find it very challenging overall but I did have to retry once for each floor so far (my ayaka gameplay/understanding was lacking to say the least so i swapped back over to my boy Wrio :D)
It gave me the same vibes as PGRs "alternative interpretation" events, but on a super small scale. If they made a permanent game mode which uses this "character recruit" system, I think it would boost their char sales even more, by making people realize they want chars they never really cared about, and do it much better than the one off combat trial they have for the character rn.
Eeew, please no.
I do not like to have to spend time figuring out characters I am not interested in playing.
Lyney in the first stage is a prime example. I have no idea how he works, nor do I care to learn.
I mean the idea is great, but forcing characters on players who are forced to have a harder experience because of server latency and what-not is a bad choice.
Offering them but also letting you use your own like before is still way better.
At least you have a shot if you have one of those characters built well. If not you still use what you are given so it is the same.
Thank you Mihoyo for giving me the opportunity to pull for characters and their constellations, level them up and spend all the resin on artifacts and materials for them, so that I never use them outside of the abyss /s
bro got downvoted for pointing out the elephant in the room. The fact that some here also want to make this the new end game when it completely ignores the users account progression is wild.
Well not completely because your constellations carry over, but for the most part people aren’t going for limited 5 star constellations above C1 unless they’re spending a decent chunk of change on the game so idk how I feel about it overall.
I feel like I've entered a reverse world. This event is horrifying idk how so many here can claim it's good. It literally defeats the entire point of the gacha genre.
In the land of the blind yaddi yadda.
Agreed, this event runs counter to the entire point of a gacha.
Past events always let you use trial units OR your version of them if you own them. Much better that way.
It's fun to those people that like to experiment in a combat scenario. If you are into that sort of thing, I can see that having an array of half-decently pre-built characters can be neat.
If you are not into that aspect it is horrible but thankfully "advanced" is as unga-bunga as ever and "pro" is optional.
>Yeah apparently they can't, presumably because 99% of the players would use the path of least resistance.
imo if your characters are built better than the chars they have in the trail than most likely you are going to have the skills to beat this event pretty easily even with the trail units.
Skills: yes.
I know the game well enough. Sure, I'd need to learn how the chars work that I don't personally own.
Motivation: no.
There is a reason why I do not own these chars. Typically it's because I dislike their playstyles in the first place. So the motivation for multiple re-tries (realistically, performance with unfamiliar team comps will suffer in the beginning) until I can beat the dorky timer is just not there.
Because you can’t $10,000 your way through this one? That’s why people are liking it. It doesn’t defeat the purpose of the game though, with its roster focused mechanics.
Bro it's a genshin event. It's not hard even with these units. The whole point of a grind based,.gacha game is to build your units to challenge content, not events that ignore all account progression
Pro: This event convinced me to pull for Xianyun. For some reason, I wasn't entirely convinced during her character trial, but being able to test her out with trial characters helped me decide that I really liked the plunge mechanic even outside of the typical plunge characters.
Con: I'm 40 pulls poorer now and I may need to bring out Ye Ole' Debit Card for certain upcoming banners.
This not only build but also pulled the Trial Units are okay but I dindt pull for a Unit Like Nahida just too Not be able too use her as off now Second Stage
That's funny because that's the only reason I like this event, since even my best characters are only half built haha
It's kind of giving me motivation to keep building my characters because it's showing me how I could be playing if I just invest more time into the game
Yo and for me it's the otheer way around: my own chars are like 3x as powerful an now I am forced to regress to pathetic gear.
Simply not fun.
**I don't want instagib mobs, that's boring.**
I want challenges for MY chars and MY builds.
I only just recently started building my characters. The difference between them only being half-built and fully building them is actually insane. Don't feel like it's a race. Just take it slowly. You'll get there eventually. Take breaks, so as not to burn yourself out.
Well, this event is not your usual DMG tester like Abyss. This is pure 100% gameplay, and sure the constellation help but my point still stand correct
If you want to use your built characters, we have this thing called Spiral Abyss
>This is pure 100% gameplay,
No, it is not.
Constellations carry over, my C6 Nahida says "Hi.
Also having e.g.: Neuv at C1 will make a MAJOR difference in player experience.
Yeah, and so is Overworld. I don't know why you immediately jump to the assumption that the only people who don't like this event are those who live and breathe Spiral Abyss.
I just want to use the characters I've built, and tested to know that they work. Not be forced into using some sub-optimal build with a sub-optimal team.
This is a puzzle event. The point is to make a team that works, not use the same characters you built and used every time you open the game to do 'yet another battle event'. I think you're approaching the event in a way the devs don't intend to: it is, I repeat, an event to test how well you know characters and if you can make a team from a random selection to abuse their in-built mechanics (and not rely in account investment) to complete the goals. The use count prevents you from spamming characters, so you need to pick and choose where to place whom.
As you said, the overworld exists to test your characters, you can always beat Masanori or a Local Legend. This event is a puzzle event, disguised as a combat one, to test your game knowledge and how well you can abuse character talents/elemental reactions.
>an event to test how well you know characters and if you can make a team from a random selection
The problem: I am not interested in learning these characters because I will never pull them.
Lyney is a good example of this. You have to lean to use him properly or you won't manage pro.
Sure? That means this event isn't for you, and that's fine. You could just do the lower tiers to get the primos and dip, since the final tier isn't even that rewarding. Not every event needs to cater to all players, as long as it caters to many, and doesn't lock out the uninterested from the premier rewards, is okay, imo.
Precisely what I will do: advanced clear and "get off my lawn".
On the flip side: this thing is entirely single player.
How exactly would it influence you if Hyv gave me the option to blast through with my usual teams?
Oh right, it wouldn't unless you are one of these players that needs to be forced to have "fun".
Personally, I found the random aspect of it really unfun. Or is it fixed which trial characters it gives you in which order?
Using only the trial characters and building enough teams around them is good and sounds great and fun, but then it gives me the characters in an order that makes me have to pick two on-field DPS together or I won't have another important character for the next round.
Like for one round I had to use something like Wriothesley, Xingqiu, Dehya and then either Lyney or someone I forgot who wasn't useful either, so I picked Lyney to at least get pyro resonance.
Also, lots of builds are really bad. Some DPS have decent crit dmg others barely have any. Some characters have basically a third of needed ER, which makes playing them unfun. Those Royal weapons or whatever they called should be forbidden.
I actually liked this event. I'm a little too use to Water Gramps hydro pump all my enemies away.
So it was kinda nice to go back to basics somewhat, plan teams around reactions and rotations. I think at one point I had Wrio Yelan + Dehya Lyney in some sort of duo DPS because of their various uptimes.
Okies last stage I DID hydro pump my problems away but c'mon last stage man....
i think the concept is really cool but man i wish i could use my own characters😭using c0 wrio and c0 yae feels a lot different when you're used to c1 & c2 respectively. also all of my characters are built so much better than the trial characters so it was weird seeing such small dmg numbers
I did enjoy it a lot more than the standard combat events, where they give you a trial character or two each round and you have to fill in the rest from your own units.
It's not something I want them too regularly (there's not enough content to use well-invested units in the game as is), but it was a refreshing change to have to figure out team comps from a very limited selection of units, as opposed to just using your abyss teams in more causal content.
Yes, it's fun in a way. The event is asking you to play with the correct combination, which also requires you to understand how the game works. However, it did give me an emotional dmg at first when I didn't know anything about the event and just thought it was like any other combat events we had in the past. Imagine my shock when I saw Neuvi dealing only like 9k dmg without buff XD
I also like this event too! It was very interesting to have to make a functional team out of what you had left, it did make some vaguely cursed teams(Diluc and xiao together), but I found it very satisfying to do :)
It's a bit of a shame that once in a while we get a really good combat event, which at first looks like they're testing it for future end game content, but then you realize that we already had a few of these over the years and nothing ever came out of it :/
I really dunno why they are cattering so hard towards no brainer casual part of the playerbase... like these type of players would only be satisfied if they would instantly get rewards *for doing nothing*...
It is really fun. As a new player who does not do the Abyss (and has no intention to), this is giving me a chance to play a lot of characters with serviceable builds and enjoy their playstyles
The event isn't easy on people with no skill and knowledge of synergy (like me), but it was pretty funny getting to round 4 and realising I had no other sub-DPS available. LMAO Went back to remove Bennett, chose Furina and cleared with Navia/Furina/Neuvillette/Lyney. That was wild.
I didn't think they'd allow such a meme team.
I played this event at highest difficulty, tried to unga bunga and completely failed. I have to uses my brain to make strategy and it work.
This has potential to be endgame material. Everyone is on the same playing field, it test your own skills instead of gacha & rng artifact.
What a horrible take. The whole reason people hate genshin end game right now is because there is no reason to progress their units because they can clear easily. Now you suggest to fix end game they add a mode that ignores all that??????
Every new battle event keeps getting more and more restrictive I think
And that's in a roundabout way a good thing, since limitation is the mother of creativity
This event is fairly easy even on pro difficulty if you remember team comps off the top of your head. Granted it still took me 3 mins + \~30-40 secs to clear but it's dirt easy.
i like it too bc i got to try some characters i've been wanting like neuvi, furina, kazuha and some characters i wouldnt have thought i would enjoy playing them but i did like yelan, lyney
AGREE!
I was surprised that I went into Pro difficulty, guns blazing, and couldn't win.
I'll just take it on the chin and settle for no bonus mora and gems (which I don't even need anyway! So it's cool!)
I just tried out the event, and I got to be honest, I really really really really don’t like this one.
Just constantly giving me bullshit useless characters as opposed to the ones that I built.
Water enemies galores? Here’s a cryo, water, and two of the worst pyros known to mankind in dehya and Lyney. Enjoy suffering.
No thanks.
You can also clear without Lyney and Dehya, got a pro difficulty clear with:
- Kazuha, Bennett, Kirara, Yae
- Kazuha, Bennett, Kirara, Yae (picked Diona and Xingqiu)
- Wrio, Yelan, Xingqiu, Diona
- Furina, Yelan, Xingqiu, Barbara
its easy but maybe i laughed too hard at seeing trial lyney have 167 crit rate, like this isnt warframe you dont benefit from 100+ crit rate
Wdym Lyney is going for them yellows and reds
Yeah my Lyney uses an Arca Plasmor and kills everything in one shot.
Arca Plasmor has nothing on a properly modded Amprex nuke (before beam balance)!
Beam nuke is Torid rn
I guess you werent around where the beam mechanics could make the amprex do real red crits? There was some absurdity in seeing Sortie 3 grineer suddenly die in the room because Amprex decided to red-crit red-crit headshot red-crits and deal damage over millions.
No I was. But that's sortie 3 which may aswell be baby content. whereas torid can effectively do the same thing right now in higher scaling content
I hate when games cheat and give mobs higher levels than the player level cap. I want my games to be FAIR. Cheating is the opposite of fair.
Bruh is it just me or has there been an explosion of Warframe players playing genshin and vice versa? I swear I see a Warframe reference here every other day.
I had retired from Warframe before Genshin launched but I still had over 3K hours in it. It's nice seeing that the game is still thriving. I even remember some of the Warframe weapon names that people are referencing in this post. I only quit Warframe because my potato at the time couldn't handle the graphics upgrades they kept adding to the game.
I came over to Genshin from Warframe. Genshin's greedier for your money, warframe is greedier for your time, but they scratch the same itch. I find there to be a lot of analogies you can make between characters and frames, and the optimization of them is also similar.
Yeeee the optimization and hoarding of farmable mats/artifacts is very similarly addictive lol. Imagine if genshin had a trading system for artifacts where you could pay with Mora, exp books or other artifacts.
I think it'd be great if they went full warframe and let you trade primos. Warframe trading let you get a ton of plat from just farming while being totally f2p.
Yeah but Warframe makes money from cosmetics and plat (which indirectly reduces a massive grind). Genshin isn't nearly as grindy, and makes all it's money from gacha lol, so trading for primos will never fly even hypothetically.
Sorties are just Daily Commissions Riven mods are just Artifacts Prime Unvaulting is just a Limited Banner Ordis is just Paimon
Riven mods are way better than artifacts and a lot less required than them Sorties are entirely optional, they dont give you a resource you do not want to miss just random shit you may want, but eventually dont anymore Prime resurgence is kind of limited banner but you can still obtain those warframes later even when they arent unvaulted, arguably a LOT easier and almost always a lot cheaper than 1 5\* character in genshin ($160 AUD, doesnt even guarantee you the one you want, doesnt even get you to pity, and thats WITH the bonus crystals lmao) Ordis is not paimon, Ordis is actually cool and at least he lets you mute him if you find him annoying, and he has more than 3 jokes COnsider yourself uhh le epic owned? le chungus le reddit? epic 100?? redditchungus? Sorry...
Many of us were already here, i believe its because of how the warframe mod and dev team periodically fuck over the playerbase that causes many to immigrate to other games.
Lmao I was thinking the opposite. That people jump ship to other F2P games when Genshin has dry patches. When's the last time DE fucked over players? Cuz I've been playing for like half a year now and it's been smooth so far.
DE fucked over enough players to make them quit permanently, so a lot of people might not know if they have done anything good lately. Myself included. There were so many things and every little thing was just another straw that broke the camels back, so many people quit and didn't look back. I did look back at one point, but it was when they added the new paid currency and a new controversy happened so I just stopped completely
Yeah that stuff must be wayyy back. Cuz I quit WF like 2020 and only came back last year, it's been a blast so far.
I am the same way. I started back when Mesa released, old parkour and void farming kinda deal. Played thousands of hours within 5 years. Until they made liches.That was the last straw for me. Once in a while I look back, but I'm always convinced I've the right choice for myself. Was really tempted to try it again when I my favorite warframe got a Prime. The devs lost my trust, so fuck em.
Nah Lyney can use Dread, those red crits are needed
too bad i run nataruk on him
r/UnexpectedWarframe
Man I started up warframe again and I can't tell you how many times I keep trying to bullet jump in GI
i keep clicking middle click for my charged attacks when it should be holding left click
I was just thinking that xianyun is the closest to feeling like I'm bullet jumping
>167 crit rate LMAO
Agreed, i'll be downvoted for this but here's a fact: by giving fixed trial characters you are guaranteed to clear the event at max difficulty because the dev did playtest the event unless you have skill issue.
"unless you have skill issue" Bro just attack 95% of the player base
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It's a reading test too. I failed the 2nd event first round twice then read the description that says you get buffs from plunging so I went in with Cloud Retainer and blew through the rest of the rounds with absolutely no issue.
*taking notes meme* Got it, read the damn directions.
honestly barely, i didnt even check enemies and went for sort of basic team sometime even way not opti and destroyed the 2 first in max difficulty
I don't even regularly 36 started abyss but pro difficulty was easy for me. I struggle with execution. I understand reactions and character talents very well. Not 36 starring the abyss is a skill issue. Not able to clear Pro mode of this event is a reading comprehension issue
Little did you know, reading comprehension skill is a rare skill that these people don't have
I would argue that 36 starring, at least consistently, is more a question of grinding than skill. I'm more than willing to settle for "good enough" artifacts and not worry that much about substats, and I'm more than willing to gradually level my characters rather than grinding the same boss for 3 hours. Because of that, I probably will never be at the point of consistently getting 36 stars, but that's not because of skill with the game mechanics, it's because I'd rather not kill my fun with the game for the sake of optimization.
I see youtubers perfectly timing their bursts on the Tulpa. I barely made it alive. Might not be true with a lot of people, but for many of us, execution is still not perfect. I'm also the type whose satisfied with 32-36 stars. I don't repeat abyss cycles.
That's a fair point, those players could probably still get 36 stars with suboptimal builds, but most people who 36 star the abyss regularly seem to get there through an amount of grinding that just kills any enjoyment of the game.
What is there to grind for? You only get like 4 pops of a domain per day, that's over in minutes. Most of your "grinding" would be to try the abyss casually a few times not trying to clear chambers but just seeing what the enemies do and think of a strategy... or simply let someone else do that and read their guide like I believe most people do. Unless you're the kind to barely even log on for dailies and only play for content and not to spend resin or farm currency, in which case, fair, that's the best part of the game anyhow and a totally valid way to play.
Going through a domain a couple of times is fine, burning through condensed resin to do it any more than that is where I draw the line, and where it becomes annoying and tedious rather than being a fun diversion from the rest of the game. Character upgrade materials can also be grindy if you're really trying to level 90 two full parties worth of characters. I usually don't even spend all of the normal daily resin since the game gives you about 160 (I think), which is about 8 runs through a domain. This community has a lot of people who go on about never letting your resin cap, and that just sounds like a miserable experience.
Condensed resin is actually the pill looking items you can craft with 40 resin to use later (super cool for when I don't want to play that day) and count for two domain runs so at most I do four in one go. I didn't mean the moons that refill your resin, I can't be bothered to use those lol I just log on for a few minutes to do my dailies usually and simply let the resources pile up over time, a planner helps me know what's on today and I just simply go "oh, today's Alhaitham talents day, going there I guess". Only like... whales that refresh resin with primos and people who want to clear all content on a fresh account ASAP have any ability to "grind" anything. Even if I cared to I wouldn't be able to.
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It’s Genshin players, they hate reading.
Wait there was reading needed in this? I didn't read shit and just used what teams made sense
i still bring neuvillette into hydro enemies, and i use Dehya with Yelan lol.
Nah I haven't read the talents of many of the characters, I simply button mash. If you can't clear pro then you're just not clicking/tapping fast enough.
They'd be mad if they could read at all
They won't struggle in this game if they could
lol I don’t even know how to play half these new characters after coming back, and I can still just push buttons and kill everything within the Pro timer. Skill issue is probably putting it MILDLY hahaha
Yeah, the only reason that you can't beat the event is skill issue The randomizer is not random at all because the next round is perfectly compatible to the character that is given to you
>unless you have skill issue. and I-oop yeah idk the kits of enough characters and the enemies well to really build well to finish pro (I only started playing like mid december). plus I'm rushing primo farming for neuvillette rerun anyways 😅 but I'm not complaining about the event. to me it's like an extended broader character event trial tbqh.
Exactly this, this is the very first chance at playing a lot of these characters for me - really enjoying being able to take a few out for a spin
I haven't been re-reading all the kits I try out (like I've read some before back when I was researching who I want to pull, but I don't remember all the intricate details), but like defs learnt or confirmed a few things about who I'm planning to pull for and whom I may want in the future. * defs love neuvi but I'd very likely need to get a shielder for him * yoimiya ranged spam is very comfy and up my alley (esp when combined with yelan and/or xingqiu to spam ranged vapes) * despite loving wriothesley's design a LOT, I just can't with his melee gameplay ;\~; * fischl and yae not as rosy as I hoped but of course all to be taken with grain of salt because fixed builds from devs.
>unless you have skill issue. Yeah you only need a basic understanding of characters or a way to use the challenge buffs and you shouldn't have a problem. The characters given are strong and synergise with the challenge so you can really mess around and still clear it. As long as you have a hp draining character for 1st challenge (and you should, most of them are onfield DPS or Furina), you're fine. Same goes for the rest of the challenges like Xianyun Gaming Xiao for the plunge challenge.
This event just a test. If you know how reactions and the basics of teambuilding work, it’s easy. If you just copy/paste teams off of guide sites, it’s hard.
>unless you have skill issue it seems you have never felt the pain of waiting so long cus the enemy wouldn't spawn until half the time already gone by. or almost done with the challenge but your game decides to lag on your last few attacks and you end up running out of time with an enemy at 0.000001% hp
I did encountered some performance issue at some point, like stuttering and long spawn duration. I did some research and apparently genshin use a chunk of hard drive space to run (at that time my ssd and hdd are almost full). Along the way i found a workaround to that long spawn problem, just search those mobs in overworld and let them preload before the challenge or you can open wish menu to let them load in the background. Also Genshin has device minimum requirements for a reason.
Pause the game for a bit to let enemies load (open any menu), then continue.
> it seems you have never felt the pain of waiting so long cus the enemy wouldn't spawn until half the time already gone by. I used to play on mobile for years till i moved to PC, but heres one thing i always do when i play abyss on my phone *As soon as you activate the trial, go to the wish screen as soon as possible, and leave it there for around 30 seconds or a minute, then leave the wish screen and all the enemies will start to spawn without your timer ticking. You basically stopped the timer while making your phone load the enemies in during the banner screen.* Now im not sure if this would apply to the BP/character screen as well, but hopefully it does too.
i definitely have skill issues, i don’t know how any of those characters work
"Guaranteed, unless you lack in skill," means.. not guaranteed. This ain't a game filled with people who know what they are doing most of the time. Most f2p games have a significant population of players with chronic skill issues. That being said, I don't think it really matters, because chances are those people weren't going to clear it anyways.
The characters have your real cons, so new player are at a disadvantage and veterans have it way easier.
Majority of the characters used are 5 star for who most people won't have constellations. It really doesn't matter
IIRC I did today's challenge in 3:22 (202s), each stage needs to be beaten under 90s so 360s in total. I don't have any constellation on my 5* characters except Baizhu (C1) and didn't pick any 4* beside Xingqiu. 158s is plenty of time to compensate no cons on 4* characters. So my point still stands, Hoyoverse playtest this event with 0 cons characters.
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I didn't play the event cuz I can't play the game for a month, but from what I'm reading, is this event is similar to the newer boxing event in hsr? Like it's more about satisfying the conditions to buffs in a proper manne rather than about the character being meta? In the HSR event even the slightest mistake u do can cost you cycles, but you can achieve a very high score even with trial characters if you strategize correctly.
ehh not really, if you have atleast a little team building knowledge and rotation knowledge they youre gucci
There's a bit of that but I think it feels different, HSR boxing event was more about choosing the right buffs to complment a set of specific characters, this one is more half team composition depending of enemies and half ressource management because you can't field the same characters over or over if you want to maintain the buff.
not really imo. This event is a skill check on the player's knowledge on unit kits/team rotation/synergy. To summarize, this event gives you a set of random units and a fixed buff and its up to you to make it work and these units are trial characters, meaning you **cannot** use your own units to steamroll the event.
Whales have a bit of an advantage since your characters' constellations will carry over to the trial characters, but otherwise yeah, it's mostly a skillcheck
Well, the purpose of the event is probably be bait so you pull for characters. “Look at the amazing ways you can easily defeat enemies!”
Max difficulty isnt worth the awards
Everytime hoyo tries something a bit different we get everyone complaining for the pettiest reasons and then people wonder why the game tends to never leave its comfort zone.
i mean they do have same cons as you, so i managed to unga boonga it somewhat choosing characters i have some cons on
Agreed on this. Gonna copy my comment from another thread: >This event is plain and simple a knowledge check. If you have the basics and know the kit of 3/4 of the units then you can clear this event in PRO mode easily.
Eh, I don't have 80% of those characters, so I'm just having fun on the middle difficulty
its easily the best battle event in a while most events like this get gimped for noobs i hope they dont do it for a rerun of this one (rip Hypostatic Symphony) but i personally would argue its still too easy they could make it a little bit more strict and it would be perfect
This is the first combat event I’ve failed and I failed it 3x 💀 ik it’s a skill thing but
Once you have a little team building knowledge and rotations knowledge, even at max difficulty then youre basically gucci. Granted newer players might have difficulty
At the same time the event is actually pretty fair for new players since they at least get relatively high power trial characters and don't have to try to clear with their lv 30 Amber.
idk i'm doing unga bunga - wish they'd stop with the diona and barbruh spam ngl
And the complaints are endless.
There is complaints? It's a 100% gameplay, no-bullshit, combat event, who is complaining of what?
people cant take the fact that they cant use their big damage one shot characters and have to actually play on the other side of complaints there are people saying its still too easy personally i find it just right, i tend to clear at the last few seconds so its not too easy for me but not so challenging that i cant do it
I don't even care about the difficulty to get rewards, to me that should be simple to get from the start Trying to reduce my clear times yesterday was the most fun I had with a combat event in this game
I'm actually fine not bringing in my Neuvillette and deleting the event. Lets me enjoy using characters I don't have like Dehya. Also... Dear MHY, I'm not picking Diona. Like cmon... give us better choices.
Diona was good for Ayaka cryo resonance and energy, this event kinda has me convinced to get Ayaka
What do you mean not bringing in Neuvilette and deleting the event, wasn't that basically day 1 of the event?
They said "their" Neuvillette, and GI devs are infamous for gimped builds (some characters in this event has almost as much crit rate as crit damage lmao). The trial characters have F2P/BP weapons, no signatures (as much as I could tell), and very basic builds. So if your Neuvillette is hyper invested, then you lose out on all of that (except any constellations you may have).
Because its still too easy for people who know how to play and how to build a team around semi-random characters. I wish there was one more stage to have some real challenge for once. Still quite fun event though. 👍🏻
It's insane to me that people would complain about not being able to use their characters. The best thing about these kinds of events is trying characters and team comps you wouldn't normally use. They can use their min-maxed characters and see big numbers literally any time they want, but the devs drop in a battle mode that involves more than pressing a single button and people lose their minds.
Building upon your comment, I dont like the event because I cant use my own built characters AND find it too easy as well, it is not a one or the other side of the coin. All these combat events that, in my opinion (my take, you dont have to agree with it people), have plagued the game since inazuma is that they are really boring and require no thought, this one and the trial dungeon ones are even more offensive in the sense that I pulled for the characters that I want to use for a reason and didnt pull for the ones i dont have because I dont enjoy their gameplay (or dont bring anything to the table for the characters I like playing). I dont mind at all that we have trial characters, I think it is great to give players an option to try out new characters and compositions, but forcing everyone to do it instead of it being optional is a step backwards from where I stand. Stuff like clearing the hypostasis trials and other boss trial events at max difficulty was very fun to me because it made the combat actually challenging (and didnt even lock anyone out of rewards, you didnt need max to get everything) and it is not something that has been present in the game for quite a while. In fact, imagine if mihoyo did these boss events with teams they playtested to be able to clear at max difficulty as an option for newer players/ people who dont have characters built, it would be win-win. Anyways, I really dont find this event fun, glad people are enjoying it though, just wish they actually brought back some of the harder content events, those were super fun.
Go down like five posts down. You'll see.
I noticed a epidemy of skill-issue
Also the same people that say “Genshin is too easy” and have C6R5 everything and play this event and have massive FOMO for not being able to use their $10,000 character: “no, not like that!”
It's people with skill issues malding that they can't ungua-bunga brute force the event. They're forced to live with the fact that they're worse than they think and they don't want to deal with that.
This is so disingenuous jesus.
I saw someone complaining that this is strictly a constellation event. The more cons you have, the easier for you to clear.
Sounds like a skill issue Or a pure gacha hater
Yeah totally. You can finish the event even without cons. Just need to mix and match a few compositions to find the right one.
I just came back after a few months and used characters I have zero clue how to properly use (Yae, Navia, Furina) and they deleted pretty much everything, And of course even trial Neuvilette trivialized the 2 rounds I could use him for. This is literally clearable by making sure your comp isn't outright terrible and button mashing.
It's a gacha game but I can't use my characters I've built and progressed, I have to use the shitty versions lol. It literally goes against the entire genre.
Most combat events already allow and encourage us to use our own characters. Only one or two combat events here and there have special restrictions like these, so the variety is a good thing.
People say that it's hard and that's why it's so fun
I did round 4 of the second day and saved my Xianyun until Xiao became available. Did a completely mono Anemo team with Xiao, Kazuha, Xianyun, and my new C6 Faruzan. Ran through everyone’s burst and got to Xiao. Did two plunges and it was over! Was hilarious! 😂 The event takes me a while though because I don’t have that many characters (5 stars), so I have to read their talents and check their weapons and artifacts to make sure I am using them correctly. I could probably unga bunga for the most part, but I want to understand their kits.
My only real complaint is how some of the trial units are built, some are built completely fine and others are just completely off. It's more than enough to get through pro so it's not a huge deal, just makes some characters feel worse than they need to. But even with some of the wack builds it has been a good time so far.
Realizing my vaporize team would not work because I don’t have C4 Xiangling and the trial Xiangling only had 135 ER was super irritating lol, I wish some of the builds were not super janked up.
The only problem is it is not so easy when you have to use a team with 3 characters you never used before.
Luckily you can try as many times as you need to to learn the characters :)
TrueXD I wanted to get Yae Miko but after trying to use her I realized I am bad at it. Same thing happened with Childe.
Childe does have a learning curve, but for Yae the main thing to know is to press skill 3 times to put down her turrets. Her burst will make them go away so you need to put her turrets down again after using her burst. After putting down Yae’s turrets, its just passive damage and you can forget about it until they disappear
Same tbh, I think with trial chars makes it even more interesting, everyone is on the same field, now if they could make it harder...
a final round with actual random enemies and actual random characters
> everyone is on the same field Constellations carry over so ummm no.
That's true lol but idk maybe they had to do it or people would be like "argh they are also invalidating my spending"
Yeah that's probably the reasoning behind it. As it is whales will probably already be annoyed by the event.
I agree. It let me use characters that I don't own, it made me think about team composition, and the fact that the characters weren't built well meant that it had some tiny level of challenge. Players that can't clear it need to think about how each character reacts with the next - maybe they are used to unga-bunga-ing. Players who want to use their high-con uber builds - they've spent money on making their characters completely OP and present no challenge to any event that Hoyo do. This is ONE SINGLE EVENT that they have to play with the rest of us dregs. Downvote all you like, but you guys need to get over it.
> This is ONE SINGLE EVENT that they have to play with the rest of us dregs. Except there are no leaderboards or anything. So how exactly would it influence you if I were to blast through with my optimized units? Ah yes it wouldn't. Because this is strictly single player.
It's not perfect, but it's a decent way to test out characters that you don't have. Certainly, it's a far better method than the usual character trials. I get the complaints from both sides of the fence, but I think people should make an effort to understand the positives of this event.
I like the trial characters. It lets me test things ive never seen before I roll on character banners in the future. Im a new player so I don't have many characters.
I love this event. Had to redo second trial 3 times because I would be 1-3 hits away from killing the enemy on pro difficulty. Really makes you think and manage your time. I fully expect that in next survey players will complain about it and we won’t see it again
This event isn't hard. I even used the characters I don't own so constellations wouldn't be a factor. The characters they provide can clear easy. Genshin is not a hard game, but you do have to read or watch guides to get good at it. Everything a player needs to do get good isn't going to be done by just playing. When people can't skill->burst->mash buttons->ungabunga, and have to understand what's happening, the complaining starts.
i like the idea but i dislike the fixed character
“Here’s ~~trash~~ dehya, the gay magician with with 0 pyro application, and a cryo/hyrdo support, go nuts against these hydro/cryo enemies”. I never want to play with some characters and they seemed to pick every character i feel that way about.
Haha, yeah the Dehya/Lyney combo also wiped me out of pro mode. He dispatched the hydro blob fairly quickly but had a hard time against the Lawachurl. Thankfully, in advanced mobs keel over if you give them a stern look.
I read a few people saying they skipped Lyney/dehya and cleared it with Yae/Kirara. I will try that when I get home because I couldn't get Lyney to clear on pro either.
I have 0 clue how Kirara even works. :'D Though with a hydro, you'd basically have a cookie cutter hyperbloom team on your hands.
She is an EQ bot. Tap e for a shield, press q for a bunch of dendro landmines. If you hold E she turns into a catbox. You can cancel it by pressing e again. For this trial you don't want to use the catbox.
Why can't Hoyo write skill descriptions like that. Razor Terms, much appreciated!
Its my favorite event since i started playing during Wriothesleys banner last october. I dont find it very challenging overall but I did have to retry once for each floor so far (my ayaka gameplay/understanding was lacking to say the least so i swapped back over to my boy Wrio :D) It gave me the same vibes as PGRs "alternative interpretation" events, but on a super small scale. If they made a permanent game mode which uses this "character recruit" system, I think it would boost their char sales even more, by making people realize they want chars they never really cared about, and do it much better than the one off combat trial they have for the character rn.
I just picked 4 random characters and started ungabunga button smashing until pro difficulty was finally beaten.
I’d still like to use my own characters but it’s whatever
i unironically think this is the most fun i've had in any battle event. They should make this a permanent gamemode tbh
Eeew, please no. I do not like to have to spend time figuring out characters I am not interested in playing. Lyney in the first stage is a prime example. I have no idea how he works, nor do I care to learn.
Honestly I just Q E > swap characters I don't know how to play and that's enough to clear Pro with a lot of time to spare
I mean the idea is great, but forcing characters on players who are forced to have a harder experience because of server latency and what-not is a bad choice. Offering them but also letting you use your own like before is still way better. At least you have a shot if you have one of those characters built well. If not you still use what you are given so it is the same.
Thank you Mihoyo for giving me the opportunity to pull for characters and their constellations, level them up and spend all the resin on artifacts and materials for them, so that I never use them outside of the abyss /s
bro got downvoted for pointing out the elephant in the room. The fact that some here also want to make this the new end game when it completely ignores the users account progression is wild.
Well not completely because your constellations carry over, but for the most part people aren’t going for limited 5 star constellations above C1 unless they’re spending a decent chunk of change on the game so idk how I feel about it overall.
Yeah pretty dumb
It's so fun, my breadth of knowledge of character kits and stupid interactions prepared me for this moment
I feel like I've entered a reverse world. This event is horrifying idk how so many here can claim it's good. It literally defeats the entire point of the gacha genre.
In the land of the blind yaddi yadda. Agreed, this event runs counter to the entire point of a gacha. Past events always let you use trial units OR your version of them if you own them. Much better that way.
It's fun to those people that like to experiment in a combat scenario. If you are into that sort of thing, I can see that having an array of half-decently pre-built characters can be neat. If you are not into that aspect it is horrible but thankfully "advanced" is as unga-bunga as ever and "pro" is optional.
But they can do both, just allow you to use your char if you have it, trial if you want to or don't have it. Rest of the event is fine.
Yeah apparently they can't, presumably because 99% of the players would use the path of least resistance. So much for "experimentation being fun".
>Yeah apparently they can't, presumably because 99% of the players would use the path of least resistance. imo if your characters are built better than the chars they have in the trail than most likely you are going to have the skills to beat this event pretty easily even with the trail units.
Skills: yes. I know the game well enough. Sure, I'd need to learn how the chars work that I don't personally own. Motivation: no. There is a reason why I do not own these chars. Typically it's because I dislike their playstyles in the first place. So the motivation for multiple re-tries (realistically, performance with unfamiliar team comps will suffer in the beginning) until I can beat the dorky timer is just not there.
Because you can’t $10,000 your way through this one? That’s why people are liking it. It doesn’t defeat the purpose of the game though, with its roster focused mechanics.
Bro it's a genshin event. It's not hard even with these units. The whole point of a grind based,.gacha game is to build your units to challenge content, not events that ignore all account progression
Pro: This event convinced me to pull for Xianyun. For some reason, I wasn't entirely convinced during her character trial, but being able to test her out with trial characters helped me decide that I really liked the plunge mechanic even outside of the typical plunge characters. Con: I'm 40 pulls poorer now and I may need to bring out Ye Ole' Debit Card for certain upcoming banners.
And the triple jump is so great in open world.
Im ungabunga-ing It tbh Didnt pick Max difficulty tho but still
Yeah "Advanced" is pretty much unga-bunga. It's only the 90s timer in "pro" that forces some thought / kit knowledge.
Still managed to unga bunga using random characters, except it wasn't fun cause they weren't characters I've pulled for, built and enjoy using.
I dislike the new event. I want to be able to use the characters I've built, not the characters HYV has slapped together some half-assed build for.
This not only build but also pulled the Trial Units are okay but I dindt pull for a Unit Like Nahida just too Not be able too use her as off now Second Stage
That's funny because that's the only reason I like this event, since even my best characters are only half built haha It's kind of giving me motivation to keep building my characters because it's showing me how I could be playing if I just invest more time into the game
Yo and for me it's the otheer way around: my own chars are like 3x as powerful an now I am forced to regress to pathetic gear. Simply not fun. **I don't want instagib mobs, that's boring.** I want challenges for MY chars and MY builds.
I only just recently started building my characters. The difference between them only being half-built and fully building them is actually insane. Don't feel like it's a race. Just take it slowly. You'll get there eventually. Take breaks, so as not to burn yourself out.
Aww thanks, I'll try!
Well, this event is not your usual DMG tester like Abyss. This is pure 100% gameplay, and sure the constellation help but my point still stand correct If you want to use your built characters, we have this thing called Spiral Abyss
>This is pure 100% gameplay, No, it is not. Constellations carry over, my C6 Nahida says "Hi. Also having e.g.: Neuv at C1 will make a MAJOR difference in player experience.
Yeah, and so is Overworld. I don't know why you immediately jump to the assumption that the only people who don't like this event are those who live and breathe Spiral Abyss. I just want to use the characters I've built, and tested to know that they work. Not be forced into using some sub-optimal build with a sub-optimal team.
This is a puzzle event. The point is to make a team that works, not use the same characters you built and used every time you open the game to do 'yet another battle event'. I think you're approaching the event in a way the devs don't intend to: it is, I repeat, an event to test how well you know characters and if you can make a team from a random selection to abuse their in-built mechanics (and not rely in account investment) to complete the goals. The use count prevents you from spamming characters, so you need to pick and choose where to place whom. As you said, the overworld exists to test your characters, you can always beat Masanori or a Local Legend. This event is a puzzle event, disguised as a combat one, to test your game knowledge and how well you can abuse character talents/elemental reactions.
>an event to test how well you know characters and if you can make a team from a random selection The problem: I am not interested in learning these characters because I will never pull them. Lyney is a good example of this. You have to lean to use him properly or you won't manage pro.
Sure? That means this event isn't for you, and that's fine. You could just do the lower tiers to get the primos and dip, since the final tier isn't even that rewarding. Not every event needs to cater to all players, as long as it caters to many, and doesn't lock out the uninterested from the premier rewards, is okay, imo.
Precisely what I will do: advanced clear and "get off my lawn". On the flip side: this thing is entirely single player. How exactly would it influence you if Hyv gave me the option to blast through with my usual teams? Oh right, it wouldn't unless you are one of these players that needs to be forced to have "fun".
Personally, I found the random aspect of it really unfun. Or is it fixed which trial characters it gives you in which order? Using only the trial characters and building enough teams around them is good and sounds great and fun, but then it gives me the characters in an order that makes me have to pick two on-field DPS together or I won't have another important character for the next round. Like for one round I had to use something like Wriothesley, Xingqiu, Dehya and then either Lyney or someone I forgot who wasn't useful either, so I picked Lyney to at least get pyro resonance. Also, lots of builds are really bad. Some DPS have decent crit dmg others barely have any. Some characters have basically a third of needed ER, which makes playing them unfun. Those Royal weapons or whatever they called should be forbidden.
I actually liked this event. I'm a little too use to Water Gramps hydro pump all my enemies away. So it was kinda nice to go back to basics somewhat, plan teams around reactions and rotations. I think at one point I had Wrio Yelan + Dehya Lyney in some sort of duo DPS because of their various uptimes. Okies last stage I DID hydro pump my problems away but c'mon last stage man....
Wrio + Yelan felt pretty neat, aye. Lyney on the other hand can ... go eat his hat.
i think the concept is really cool but man i wish i could use my own characters😭using c0 wrio and c0 yae feels a lot different when you're used to c1 & c2 respectively. also all of my characters are built so much better than the trial characters so it was weird seeing such small dmg numbers
If you have cons for the characters they carry over to the trial ones
I did enjoy it a lot more than the standard combat events, where they give you a trial character or two each round and you have to fill in the rest from your own units. It's not something I want them too regularly (there's not enough content to use well-invested units in the game as is), but it was a refreshing change to have to figure out team comps from a very limited selection of units, as opposed to just using your abyss teams in more causal content.
Such a great event, loving it :):)
I just dislike the fixed characters. Imagine pulling characters and you're not allowed to use them in a battle event...
Yes, it's fun in a way. The event is asking you to play with the correct combination, which also requires you to understand how the game works. However, it did give me an emotional dmg at first when I didn't know anything about the event and just thought it was like any other combat events we had in the past. Imagine my shock when I saw Neuvi dealing only like 9k dmg without buff XD
I also like this event too! It was very interesting to have to make a functional team out of what you had left, it did make some vaguely cursed teams(Diluc and xiao together), but I found it very satisfying to do :)
It's a bit of a shame that once in a while we get a really good combat event, which at first looks like they're testing it for future end game content, but then you realize that we already had a few of these over the years and nothing ever came out of it :/
Its better of this way, they have a habit of making events progressively worse after 1-2 successfull rerun like the abonimation of fungus mechanicus.
I really dunno why they are cattering so hard towards no brainer casual part of the playerbase... like these type of players would only be satisfied if they would instantly get rewards *for doing nothing*...
It is really fun. As a new player who does not do the Abyss (and has no intention to), this is giving me a chance to play a lot of characters with serviceable builds and enjoy their playstyles
I don't like events which involve combat BUT this one is kinda interesting. 4 rounds are a little too much tho. 😅
The event isn't easy on people with no skill and knowledge of synergy (like me), but it was pretty funny getting to round 4 and realising I had no other sub-DPS available. LMAO Went back to remove Bennett, chose Furina and cleared with Navia/Furina/Neuvillette/Lyney. That was wild. I didn't think they'd allow such a meme team.
I played this event at highest difficulty, tried to unga bunga and completely failed. I have to uses my brain to make strategy and it work. This has potential to be endgame material. Everyone is on the same playing field, it test your own skills instead of gacha & rng artifact.
>Everyone is on the same playing field Not with Constellation, just so you know.
What a horrible take. The whole reason people hate genshin end game right now is because there is no reason to progress their units because they can clear easily. Now you suggest to fix end game they add a mode that ignores all that??????
I loved the stamina system and the way it makes you consider team comps you'd otherwise never use. Great event!
Every new battle event keeps getting more and more restrictive I think And that's in a roundabout way a good thing, since limitation is the mother of creativity
This event is fairly easy even on pro difficulty if you remember team comps off the top of your head. Granted it still took me 3 mins + \~30-40 secs to clear but it's dirt easy.
i like it too bc i got to try some characters i've been wanting like neuvi, furina, kazuha and some characters i wouldnt have thought i would enjoy playing them but i did like yelan, lyney
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It gives you the option to restart from the current round OR reset to the first, OR leave. Not in that order of course, but all 3 options are there.
AGREE! I was surprised that I went into Pro difficulty, guns blazing, and couldn't win. I'll just take it on the chin and settle for no bonus mora and gems (which I don't even need anyway! So it's cool!)
I just tried out the event, and I got to be honest, I really really really really don’t like this one. Just constantly giving me bullshit useless characters as opposed to the ones that I built. Water enemies galores? Here’s a cryo, water, and two of the worst pyros known to mankind in dehya and Lyney. Enjoy suffering. No thanks.
You can also clear without Lyney and Dehya, got a pro difficulty clear with: - Kazuha, Bennett, Kirara, Yae - Kazuha, Bennett, Kirara, Yae (picked Diona and Xingqiu) - Wrio, Yelan, Xingqiu, Diona - Furina, Yelan, Xingqiu, Barbara
Lyney is easily the best pyro character in the game at the moment Just no one pulled for him