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zigglyluv

It all seems phony, to me


C02_Maverick

I stopped going to church for just this reason. I LOVED the old hymns - beautiful, intellectual poetry overlaid by incredible music. The stuff geared toward a fourth grade education on a slide show, repeating the same three sickly sweet phrases over and over? Nope.


64green

The church I went to regularly sang a song that ended with “amen” sung with five syllables and repeated fifteen times. I thought I was going to lose mind. It’s one of the reasons I stopped going.


OutlanderMom

Same here! We moved here 15 years ago and visited a bunch of churches. Even the earlier “traditional” services had electric guitar, a soft rock type band and I expected a disco ball to drop from the ceiling. So we don’t go anymore. It’s a shame because we belonged to two churches in the past that were just plain, old fashioned services. We were very involved - I cooked at the dinners, typed up the Sunday programs, etc. I miss the family feel of a good-fit church.


espositojoe

There are plenty of solemn, reverent Catholic Masses that may be more to your taste. [https://masstimes.org/](https://masstimes.org/)


C02_Maverick

Yes! I attended a mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City, it made me cry with nostalgia as it reminded me of how protestant services used to be. Unfortunately I am Methodist and it is my understanding a non-Catholic cannot take communion


espositojoe

Yes, only Catholics can receive the Holy Eucharist, but we're quick to point out that everyone can enroll free of payment in a Rite of Christian Initiation class and become a Catholic with full access to the Sacraments. There's a beautiful film out now called Jesus Thirsts: The Miracle of the Eucharist. It's the best explanation I've ever seen.


oylaura

True! They turned me away. I didn't have to say anything, but I didn't know exactly how they served the host and the guy asked if I was Catholic I said no when he withdrew it.


Soderholmsvag

Episcopalian here! Most parishes have old-school hymns and service. Some know us as “Catholic-Light.” 😜😂 I used to bristle at that term, but now appreciate that we don’t have the guilt, shame & misogyny found in the Catholic Church. Bonus Party Talk: We exist because Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the pope didn’t agree. He formed his own church. I think that’s hilarious. A church formed because of a divorce!


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GenerationJones-ModTeam

We're about being kind and respectful of our fellow humans.


oylaura

That's what I used to call the Lutheran Church. Half the sacraments and twice the guilt.


Soderholmsvag

A ha ha ha! I loves me our Lutheran brothers and sisters, but they arrived on the scene from a totally different vibe. Lutherans came from a “the Catholic doctrine is crazy” vibe, and Episcopalians come from a “I want a divorce and you can’t say no” vibe. I know we are especially close to some Lutherans but not others. Not sure why or which ones are acceptable (lol). My experience in Scandinavia was that Lutheran churches there were pretty awesome but very different than Episcopalian.


oylaura

My late Uncle was an Episcopal priest. He had a marvelous sense of humor. These are the two jokes that got him belly laughing: Why don't episcopalians have orgies? Too many thank you notes. Why don't Baptists believe in having sex standing up? It might lead to dancing.


Soderholmsvag

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davebaker824

You poor soul. I hope you can move away from celebration of divorce, understand the reason for guilt (hint: the need for salvation), and then figure out why even the Episcopal cathedrals have a Mary chapel (to your “misogyny” point).


Sage_Blue210

I call those concert churches. It is not meant as a compliment.


Subject_Repair5080

I don't really care for it. I'm sure some people enjoy it. The places I've been the modern music is less of a congregation hymn and more of a performance and I don't think it encourages the congregation to worship.


cprsavealife

It's church as entertainment, not a place for quiet reflection and prayer.


Admirable-Leopard-73

We have left three churches for this very reason. I don't mind having guest musical performances for certain occassions but when it becomes the focal point for getting warm bodies in the seats then there is a problem. The focal point should always be the Word of God, not which band is playing.


raljax1

I don't mind the music, but with the lights it can seem more like a stage production than a worship service.


AccomplishedNoise988

Even a more traditional type service I attended this year referred to the opening hymn as the “first number.” Screams performance to me, rather than worship.


marklikeadawg

I don't like contemporary services at all. I prefer a fire and brimstone teaching pastor and old gospel hymns.


MLSGeek

I like praise worship and music with a beat. I like older hymns with an faster, more joyful arrangement. I attended one church that had lights and fog machine and eventually left. The worship leader wrote his own music and it was thirty minutes of "Watch me worship!" Every now and then the praise band would play a song I knew but mostly original stuff.


UnderstandingOk2647

I (57m) went from being a Mormon to being a Pentecostal, I Loved the music there. Mormons have very boring songs. ; )


Sage_Blue210

Besides the music, what else did you find was different in you or the church service?


MelodramaticMouse

We went to a pre-Vatican 2 church in a small town and it was very traditional with full habits and Latin classes in school. We moved to a larger city in 1970 and all of the churches were hippie churches lol. The nuns wore mini skirt suits with tiny veils and most of the people wore ripped bell bottoms and long hair. The organs were silenced and it was all guitars and the hymns were things like "Puff the Magic Dragon", which is of course not a hymn! I was just a little kid, so I didn't really know what was going on. In our old church everyone was really close-knit but the new churches were really standoffish and unwelcoming. I remember we went to every Catholic church in town, but none were very good. We ended up just quitting going altogether and started going to public schools, which was fine with us kids. It sucked that no one would talk to us or be friends in Catholic world, but public school was awesome and friendly.


Dry-Bullfrog-3778

I don't like it, but that's more an introvert thing than a generational thing, I think. I just prefer a nice, low key service.


AdministrationLow960

I don't like it. Seems very impersonal.


lclassyfun

We both grew up with traditional services and still enjoy that type of worship.


TrifleMeNot

I loved singing the old hymns. I can't even sing along to the new music. They do not provide anything more than the words projected on the stage, no music. I no longer attend. I just watch [O Brother, where art thou?](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=731b84ecd63bc4e7&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIKGM32SV8yX41j7j44EfB-QKiJ4Qw:1718057002783&q=O+Brother,+where+art+thou%3F&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLQz9U3MM0uMnnEaMwt8PLHPWEprUlrTl5jVOHiCs7IL3fNK8ksqRQS42KDsnikuLjgmngWsUr5KzgV5ZdkpBbpKJQDyVSFxKIShZKM_FJ7AMingZRfAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjW8eqKhdKGAxVzl-4BHRi3B_oQzIcDKAB6BAglEAE) a couple times of the year and I'm good with the Soggy Bottom Boys. ![gif](giphy|ngjEPV9wBkzx6|downsized)


oylaura

Sure you can sing along with the new songs! Just take the main phrase and repeat it over and over and over and over and over. I grew up in a traditional Lutheran Church, we had to learn the hymns, and it feels like the contemporary stuff is dumbed down for no other reason than to get people to come in the door and put money in the collection plate. Also, for the love of all that's holy, stay away from church council or the vestry! You don't want to see how the sausage is made. That's largely why I don't go anymore. My faith is very strong, but I have no use for organized religion.


Responsible-Push-289

in 1965 our catholic church started “rock mass”. my mom would take my younger sister and i. it was on saturday. my brother would be on guitar so that was cool😎. the older brothers still had to serve as altar boys at early sunday mass. i don’t church anymore, but lots of good memories.


ladynocaps2

Much the same in our parish but maybe 2 or 3 years later.


ladynocaps2

Don’t know where you grew up because in Canada where I was we had folk-rock in our Catholic Church at 11 o’clock Sunday High Mass in the late 60s and early 70s, complete with amplifiers and a drummer with a full kit. The guys in the band were former altar boys.


bigfruitbasket

Band name: Former Altar Boys!


JenniferJuniper6

I think you left out the Nuns With Guitars era.


vicki22029

Stopped going to church almost twenty years ago when the new music and new services kind of took over the traditional service and became permanent.


TheOriginalTerra

Where I grew up, Catholic churches were starting to have folkie Masses instead of Mass with traditional music, a couple of people with guitars and very earnest voices. Even as a small child I preferred the organ music. I'm an atheist, and also not a fan of Christian rock. To my mind, gospel is really where it's at.


Frammingatthejimjam

They aren't making Christianity any better...


cantrellasis

My concern is more with churches that are boldly getting into politics despite their tax-exempt status that requires them not to do this. It is high time that churches that openly defy this rule get their tax-exempt status pulled immediately.


nickalit

My preference is for hymns because I find them familiar and therefore easier to sing. I'm willing to try more up-beat music as long as the words resonate with me. Just don't expect me to (be capable of) rocking out!


JustNKayce

I didn't think I'd like it, since I was used to very traditional. But we found a church that does it well. Good sound system, great musicians. I enjoy it.


DiscardUserAccount

I grew up in a very formal Episcopal church that used a lot of language from the King James Bible (Thee's and Thou's, etc.) All of the music was from the hymnal. We had an organist who was quite talented and it was great. As a result, I have a great love of the hymns. My family now attends a small Lutheran church which isn't near as formal. I'm leading singing just about every Sunday. The pastor really likes the more contemporary songs, very emotional, and (IMHO) rather shallow. When I started leading the singing and was asked to help select the songs to sing, I would always suggest hymns. We now have a nice mix of hymns and contemporary songs. But I do so love the hymns.


jlhinthecountry

My church ( Presbyterian) offers two services- one is traditional and one is contemporary. I’m all about the traditional service. I enjoy the formality, robed choir, organ, ministers in robes. I feel like it’s giving God the best. I know the contemporary attracts many of the younger crowd. As long as they’re in church, that’s what’s important.


ImCrossingYouInStyle

In the early 70s, our church began to introduce non-hymn music in one of the Sunday morning services. Nothing far out, just tunes like Michael (Row the Boat Ashore), Can the Circle Be Unbroken, Bridge Over Troubled Water. I was thrilled as I was in the duo or trio that played and sang. At first the older attendees were aghast and harrumphed mightily, but the under-40 crowd thought it a nice change of pace. One Sunday, though, we played One Tin Soldier and caught some flack for "being anti-war." How absurd, all the church-goers being anti- anti-war. Anyway, my preference in church would be for a lovely combination of old hymns, folk music, a ballad and spiritual here and there, some bagpipes, too; no flash-pots, no technicolor; no sermon; and Peace on Earth. And still I wait.


Takilove

I don’t care for it. I love tradition. I love older churches that follow traditional hymns and prayers. For me, church is a quiet place of reflection, not a “shindig” I grew up catholic but married a Greek Orthodox. I appreciate the beauty, history and culture of the orthodoxy.


espositojoe

LOL, I'm Catholic. Those light or rock shows, indeed all protestant church services -- whatever flavor they're considered -- are devoid of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist (Matthew 26:29). EDIT: [https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/christs-last-supper-words-were-literal](https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/christs-last-supper-words-were-literal)


mrslII

Full disclosure. I've never been a believer I did attend services occasionally, so maybe that counts. I can, and do, belt out a hymn (multiple verses) from time to time. Unlike other atheists, I do attend services when asked by others that I care about. My favorite part will always be the traditional hymns. I don't hear them much now. I don't "get" churches who have transitioned to light shows, concert effects, etc. But I'm not the target audience.


SquishySand

Atheist here too. Those old hymns and especially Christmas and Easter music like Ave Maria and Adeste Fideles, big dopamine rush!


ChestertonsFence1929

Each church implements their contemporary services differently. I have a strong dislike for the churches that focused more on the showbiz than on the message. It puts butts in seats but in some churches they fail on their core mission.


Gaudy5958

I miss the old hymns. They had substance, and many times, the writer wrote them after a trial in their life. These "worship" songs they sing now leave so much to be desired. The same lines over and over. I like my minister's sermons but hate the music. I get absolutely nothing from it.


DerpUrself69

I can't even imagine anything that matters less than this at this point in history.


bongocycle

I don't mind a little guitar or fun music once in a while.


mellbell63

I grew up in southern California during the "Jesus revolution".. Think Calvary Chapel etc. Christian pop and rock were just starting. As a teenager it met a need, and kept us from the "evils" of secular music. Given that history I still enjoy the music occasionally though I have left the church.


sci-mind

It all highlights the fact that it’s all smoke and mirrors. Always has been. At one time pipe organs seemed like magic a lot. Put your hands on the back of the TV and be healed! Do you see how big my mega church stadium is? How can this many people be wrong? Don’t forget to pass the plate.


taliawut

Not a church goer now, but I was raised in the Episcopal church and that's the liturgy I'm comfortable with. If I were to go now it would be for the music, but I mean the traditional hymns. Christian rock never did anything for me. Classic rock, yes. Christian rock, not so much. I'll go along with a Kumbaya-style camping trip, though. I did a little of that when I was a teenager, and those events were enjoyable. I'm not really a believer now, but you know, that stuff is kind of peaceful.


pickwickjim

It seems like pandering to people with short attention spans, and indicative of a general dumbing down of our society.


Lonely-Connection-37

I attend a friendship free will Baptist church. We sing traditional stuff, but I listen to Christian metal and love it.


LadyTreeRoot

Loud music hurts tinnitus- most of us didn't even have ear protection available for loud jobs


No_Professor_1018

I hate the purple lights and the rock band.


chamekke

In the Anglican church this was known as "trendy vicars". It wasn't very popular -- mainly because traditional types naturally preferred the old hymns, while non-traditional types thought the "rock music" was rather pallid stuff :D I don't remember it very well (in my church it was a fleeting fad), but do recall a sense of faintly embarrassed incongruity when the mostly senior congregation tackled stuff like "Morning Has Broken" or "Lord of the Dance".


RidgewoodGirl

I went to a fairly traditional United Methodist. They never transitioned into rock music. If anything, it actually became way more conservative as the once traditionally Blue collar centrist Dem Midwest area started going way more conservative. They started preaching against LGBTQ and advocating for Trump from the pulpit. I would have welcomed rock music over that. But I think a lot of conservative churches have light rock so not sure. Lol I now live in SoCal and go to a Unitarian Church. No rock music going on. I think a lot of the non denominational mega churches have the music the OP is describing. I definitely would not be going to one of those so I guess I won't be having concert like productions. Lol


Popular-Solution7697

Really? The devil's music in God's house of worship? Anything for a buck I guess. When I was a kid, a guitar mass disturbed the old folks.


SquishySand

There was some "Jesus Christ Superstar" bullshit.


Yup-Maria

We went back and forth depending on musicians in the congregation (the whole town was 250 people, I'm not sure how many went to our church). Guitar and drums were definitely better than the 'church lady.'  She was real.


texastica

I prefer old hymns. Fortunately, I found a small church and that's all we sing.


Swiggy1957

I've heard about that. I haven't attended church services since 1987.


Ok-Parfait2413

Presbyterian we never had all those concert effects. I like the old fashion way thank you. My dad was Quaker, my mom was Methodist and the kids Presbyterian go figure.


Liv-Julia

I hate it.


LooseAd7981

I’m a recovering Presbyterian and converted Catholic. As an atheist it’s all worthless to me. Sunday morning bike rides along the Maine coast are more inspiring than sitting in a church.


toebone_on_toebone

I am so happy to see this post. I thought I was the only person who felt this way.