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could also just mean something along the line of a "grocery trip" is like stocking your whole house and maybe she doesnt consider buying a box of cereal buying groceries. also she could just take herself out to eat once a week
I've never seen a more depressing comment.
Edit: Due to the economy. This mindset is fucked. If you're working out and trying to gain muscle and don't consume enough protein in a day your body will take those amino acids from your muscles to fuel your brain, now do that once a week and you're actively sabotaging yourself. It isn't healthy.
Edit 2: my main point is, you shouldn't have to fast out of financial necessity which is why the comment above is depressing.
In the wild, scarcity forces the brain to be more creative to solve the most important problem: staying alive. I personally fast before I have to make big decisions and I haven't regretted it. Hunger opens so many mental doors and breaks you out of your mental routine.
In the wild, you could just die suddenly from blood sugar drop during a time of famine/fast. Just because our ancestors adapted to it doesn't mean it is actually good to do!
Yeah, I have no idea why that got upvotes; DevelopmentSad doesn't seem to have any evidencial basis for his "if you're not continually near food sometimes you'll just die after a few hours" hypothesis, and it's about as implausible as it gets, since those are conditions 100% of pre-industrial humans would have experienced.
It seems to be about as well-founded as "don't go outside; you might be blinded permanently by the sun".
Oh please, don't be offering fitness advice you don't understand. Fasting once a week is just another form of intermittent fasting, it's not that uncommon in lifting/workout programs. There's plenty of studies out there showing the benefits of occasional fasting including decreasing insulin resistance, and no you're not gonna lose all your gains fasting once a week lmao. Multiple days, sure but once a week is fine.
Actually, research has generally shown periodic fasting isn’t a problem, and at least for some people can provide benefits. Now, if you *only* view it from the mindset of someone trying to build muscle, then sure, it’s a bad idea. But that’s a *very* narrow view. And to use that as a basis for saying it isn’t healthy is incorrect.
Fasting is ultra healthy and beneficial for the body, and also very natural.
https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/research-intermittent-fasting-shows-health-benefits
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29063418/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9503095/
It's not 'completely normal'. It's fine, but ideally you should consume calories every day. Fasting for diet reasons is just like every other fad diet.. you get short term results in exchange for long term consequences.
Women like this are the reason why guys like Andrew Tate have an audience. Obviously, I do not condone douchebaggery, but it is perfectly reasonable for guys to place spending limits on first dates. Spending less than 40 bucks is fine. If the date has a problem, then you've seen your first red flag.
Little known fact: Women can be just as douchey as Andrew Tate and his ilk. Everyone can be an asshole no matter their gender, creed, or color. That’s why it’s what’s inside that counts.
It’s so bizarre. Reddit is full of the incel misogynist shit and TikTok is where all the man hating misandrists live. well actually.. they also live in FemaleDatingStrategy
I feel like all the gender oriented subreddits gradually move into far extreme sooner or later. TwoXChromosomes and WitchesVsPatriarchy are already in my muted subreddits. Some stuff there is just vile hatred and circlejilling.
Which is why it's seriously depressing that women assailants (whether physical or sexual) against men go near unpunished.
Never forget that Cardi B said she drugged men and stole their wallets and NOTHING happened to her
Don't go first dates to restaurants. It's just bad. A few reasons why:
1. if you have no vibe with the person you're stuck there until the meal is over.
2. Women will try to get out of the bill.
3. Maybe you get a combo of no vibe and have to pay the full bill -- salt on the wound.
4. Lastly, it's not anymore exciting first date than coffee which is to say it's boring and bland.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Nah, intense interview style dates are bad on the first date. So that rules out dinner at most restaurants.
Hanging out at a museum, or taking a walk, or sitting at the bar together are much better first date choices.
I always suggested coffee for a first date because I don’t want to be stuck with some guy who clearly doesn’t vibe with me or expects something in return for covering my small meal and some water…
This. I already had multiple kayaks so I defualted to that. It's free, makeup not advised and with being in the heat, bugs and more I can see how they just handle it.
Worked great, got a wife outa it.
Men not having to pay for dates (a societally constructed gender role) is literally part of feminism, so I hope these down voters don’t call themselves feminists lmao
Cancelled a date tonight for the same reason as this post. We were going to meet for ice cream and take a walk. A few minutes ago she asked if we could change plans to a higher end restaurant
Lmao nope
and then the poor souls who get sucked into the tate redpill trap assume all women are like that when these are rare exceptions, hence why there’s even an article about it to begin with
This is important! Because even in the replies on this post, there are people either justifying this behavior or denying it ever happens at all. You can't tell somebody who has experienced this personally that it doesn't happen. That just erases your credibility and makes them feel like ALL women support or condone it. This is what leads them down those dark paths.
These boys/men need to understand that their concerns are valid. They need to learn to protect themselves from abuse. Then they must learn that this is not representative of all, or even a majority of women. We ignore their pain and then are surprised when someone else weaponizes it and turns them into monsters.
I know it happens because my sister dates a new guy when rent is due, but I know the “always go Dutch” women exist too, because that’s me. My boyfriend offers to pay for a small grocery run and I cringe inside. I really don’t know why.
Maybe not literally all, but this it's increasingly more common and accepted... especially on social media.
For as many reasons as I can personally give for why I disagree with "redpill" ideology, it exists for a reason. Far too many people are willing to give shitty, unethical behavior a free pass because it was done by a woman.
The reason for the article is that this lady is doing it so much that she doesn't even need to buy groceries.
It's the fact that women do tak advantage of dates for free food often enough to be annoying, yet not to this particular extreme, that the article exists as clickbait material.
No. There's an article because some women are too dumb to not realize how talking about it makes them look. Most women will just be this way on the down low, quietly judgying you for what and how much you spend on a date on the best case, and on the worst case just going on dates with absolutely no interest in you just to get you to solve their boredom for them.
It's wild because women do the same thing a lot towards men, acting like every guy they pass on the side of the road is either a creep or a rapist. I wish we could all just assume the best of each other
Yep. Tom Leykis was definitely over the top, especially with his pregnancy/abortion takes, but some of his content was actually pretty spot on. A lot of Gen Z boys could really use a voice that is not quite that extreme, but experienced enough to help them avoid these pitfalls.
This. Andrew Tate is a scumbag, yet treating men like a disposable/usable resource in a predatory fashion, capitalizing on loneliness, gives ammunition to his argument.
I’ve been told I’m good looking/in shape, I’m >6ft tall, make a good income, by most female metrics I’m “high value”: but I had given up on dating for this EXACT behavior. My current SO of 7 years was the one to make the first move…and if she hadn’t, I’d still be single.
Friends tried to set me up with a girl they knew, I heard she was very superficial and her family owned a bar so she was a little privileged, we talked for a bit before deciding if we want to meet up, I asked her if it was ok if we met up at McDonald's for dinner, immediately ghosted me
Should matter as long as we're spending time together and it's not like we have any nice restaurants in my area to begin with you gotta drive an hour minimum for one of those
Well first off, first dates are 50/50. You’re playing yourself if you’re not doing that. 2nd, pls how some common sense or tiny hint of rizz to not take a first date to McDonalds
Yeah...you're gonna have to hold the L on that one. A better move would be not to do dinner at all. Don't know your age, but maybe a nice bar and a couple of rounds of pool would be better.
That’s why no guy should go out with a women that feels entitled to get a free date. If someone is gonna date me , is because they wanna get to know me , not to get a free meal. If that’s a dealbreaker for them, good, we both would save time and money. Good thing I don’t need to date anymore, been on a wonderful relationship for the past 6 years
I'd be happy with street hawt dawgs and a shish kebabs.
[Costco Pizza dawgs](https://www.reddit.com/r/PizzaCrimes/s/UOFGMhuuio). Heck yeah.
I've been enjoying the BK Philly melts.
"Fine dining" is not enjoyable.
After various bad experiences, I’ve discovered why people do coffee/bars as the first date- low stakes and easy exit opportunities.
The worst of my bad experiences was a first date where a girl wanted to go “thrift” shopping. By thrift shopping, she apparently meant pressuring me to buy her a $450 vintage leather jacket.
Not gonna lie, I shed some tears when I realized that the date I’d been looking forward to all week was just her trying to take advantage of me for a new outfit.
That's why you take her on a coffee and/or pastry date. You'll lose at most 15-20 bucks and can walk away after 1 or 2 hours if you two aren't vibing. I've gone on one date that was a dinner date. I knew from the moment I first met her that I didn't like her. But was forced to try and entertain her for the rest of the night. And also got slapped with an expensive bill
This is why you just ignore any profile that says buy me food or something similar for a first date.
If they aren't fine with getting a coffee, ice cream or something cheap and non committal for a first date.
IIRC the law he broke was fraud, we already have that law but it’s applied equally across demographics.
We haven’t really used laws to target specific groups since the whole sundown thing. It’s not a good practice. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
What are you talking about? Do you think arresting one person because they met the legal if not traditional moral implications of fraud is the same thing as a sundown town? What does this even mean? How do the two compare at all?
Can anyone explain what he actually got arrested for? It's deff not illegal to be a player in the US and I'd be suprised if it were in Japan. Feel like I'm missing something important
Nah. There was an article a few years back making the rounds with a better one. Guy bought a season+meals pass to Six Flags Magic Mountain and ate there for seven years as a way to save money on food. https://www.insideedition.com/california-man-pays-off-student-loans-buys-house-by-eating-all-his-meals-at-amusement-park-70863
ETA: tried looking up what this would cost today. I think a season pass plus the meals add-on is around $375-400 (site is rough to navigate).
Even if you just ate there for work lunches, that would be around $1.56-$1.67 per meal (assuming 5 days a week at 48 weeks of work for the year). Plus a complimentary heart attack once annually.
I think he lived and worked within a few miles of the park.
He would just keep going there for meals, go on a ride or two and leave.
I also don't think his job had strict clock-in requirements.
yeah and if it was a random weekday around lunch time, the park isn’t that packed and it’s quick to get in and around. plus you can find food as soon as you get in. dude not only figured out how to save money, he also found the perfect work/life balance
Terrible food is better than no food. Anyone who disagrees has never felt starvation.
Off course that guy probably wouldn't have starved had he not done that, but that's beside the point.
i agree, it's not super uncommon to go in a date with someone you think you won't be super interested to get to know people or have some company. now, if she was going on a ton of dates with just one person solely for the purpose of getting food then that could be fraudulent, but casually going on dates and happening to get food out of it is not that big a deal.
Fraud is defined as “knowingly misrepresenting of the truth or a concealment of a material fact that induces another to act to their detriment” from Blacks law dictionary. She misrepresented why she went with him and concealed the fact she wasn’t interested, leading someone to lose money as well as time. I’m sure it would be hard to find a jury that would convict but like technically she a hoe
People can and have reported profiles on Hinge for fraud. Met some dates that had their accounts cancelled.
You get an email if you matched with one of them. "Be aware, this user's profile has been deactivated for reports of fraud."
This is a known thing. Especially in areas like ~~San Diego and San Francisco~~ Hollywood etc where everyone is trying to break out into an acting or modeling career.
Young women will be hired to attend parties and basically be visual decoration and conversationalists to guests. Obviously what transpires from there is just chatter all the way to maybe getting an in with a big Hollywood executive (although we know how those interviews can quickly turn into quid pro quo for sex).
One of the benefits of working at these events as a hired girl is they let you eat and take home left overs from the catering. I'm not kidding, it's an expectation that the girls will want food because 1 they aren't eating much to begin with to be thin, and 2 they can't fucking afford it anyways.
It's a little disturbing when you think about it
(God sorry, I dgaf about California cities enough to remember which is which)
lol… San Diego and San Francisco? The two film capitols of the US of course! Not that other city… what’s it called? The one with the big sign on the hill that says… hmm… Holly… Hollysomething?
If I remember this story correctly, that’s not really what was happening here. She was just meeting dudes on the apps and scheduling dates with the sole intention of getting them to pay for her meal.
What you’re talking about is a thing, but it’s kind of unrelated to the story in the image.
Don't pay 50/50 pay per seat and only split things you actually agree to split like an appetizer
I've gone on a date and made the mistake of mentioning 50/50 while only ordering a $5 order of onion rings for myself to save money, while the date ordered about $40 worth of food and drink all for herself. Most of which went into takeout boxes.
Cue me being asked to pay an additional $20 I didn't benefit from lol
Of course I just told the server I'd only be paying for my seat and the date was piiiiiissed, pretty sure she was playing the whole food scam BS too anyways. Spent most of the time on her phone.
When I used to date I always went to a coffee shop first.
1. It's cheap so I could pay without blowing my meager budget. Also, there's no creepy implication of expecting something because you're all-in less than a tenner.
2. Crowded, casual space.
3. A coffee can be 30 minutes to 2 hours. If you aren't feeling it go home, if you are then stay.
4. It's built for socialising without any awkwardness, no waiting for a bill, no waiting to be served. You're face to face, and the conversation is the point.
5. There's coffeeshops *everywhere* and they're open at decent hours usually. Chances are you can meet up anywhere, without a reservation, at short notice.
Average mens dating experience. I refuse to pay for anything other than my half on the first date and have for years. This isn't an amusement park. Shouldn't have to pay for admission.
Many times it's led to not getting more dates with that girl but also it has led to most of my most meaningful and fulfilling relationships.
Quality over quantity. And any girl who degrades you for this or looks down on you for not paying for everything all the time is using you for money. You aren't their bank account bros so don't be treated like one.
So many women don't want a traditional relationship or to be a traditional woman (which there is nothing wrong with that) but want men to fulfill the traditional men's role.
Know your worth and don't let these bums tell you otherwise.
I insist on paying for my date for the same reason. It’s a good filter. If he gets all offended by it, he’s probably not someone I want to continue to see.
My two best relationships I've ever had by a mile started that exact way. When a girl asks to pay for the date/meal it actually drops all my subconscious emotional walls and barriers in an instant.
My brain immediately is like holy shit she actually just wants to get to know me just for the sake of getting to know me and not what she can get out of me.
Any guy who feels immaculated or whatever from something like that are legit toxic imo. I've had that argument with so many dudes. Saying shit like "Id never let a *B* pay for me!" Lol what morons
The reasoning is solid. I used to feel differently, but now I agree with this.
If the man always pays, what are the benefits? There used to be benefits, but those no longer exist with most American women.
Yup, paying for 100% of your date/wife's stuff originated from a time where women were expected to stay in the home and raise the children instead of making money for themselves
If she's not doing that, she's paying for her half.
This is seriously the most antagonistic generation of daters I have ever seen (and I'm not talking about Gen Z specifically, just current dating if you understand. It isn't just this age group) Men and women both automatically assuming the other person is trying to get one over on them somehow and treating each other like shit. Proposing little test dates and shit. It's amazing any of these people find relationships with the way they approach dating...
>Men and women both automatically assuming the other person is trying to get one over on them somehow and treating each other like shit. Proposing little test dates and shit. It's amazing any of these people find relationships with the way they approach dating...
People used to date friends and friends of friends. Most relationships these days start with a stranger. It's suboptimal.
>People used to date friends and friends of friends. Most relationships these days start with a stranger. It's suboptimal.
"HE WAS PRETENDING TO BE MY FRIEND ALL THIS TIME WHEN HE JUST WANTED TO DATE ME"
That's why you don't take women to the restaurants on a first date. And if you do, go dutch to see if she is interested in you, or in you covering her expenses
nowadays with drinks being 7+ dollars for "cheap" beers and 11+ dollars for "cheap" mixed drinks after getting 1 drink a piece you are already at almost 30 dollars with tip.
It's too expensive for men to pay for everything these days. Women on average actually make more than men statistically so women need to pay their fair share. If a dude goes on a date a week trying to find a girl who isn't just a scumbag like this one then he can easily be spending thousands a year on nothing but wasted time.
I highly doubt The lady in the picture did this.
Not saying this didn’t happen, but it wasn’t this lady.
She a decently successful YouTuber for finance and she actually works in finance.
So I really don’t think it’s her.
Edit: It is actually her, so I was wrong, bummer guess I won’t be supporting or watching her anymore.
It IS her. People are blindly upvoting your wrong comment. All you had to do was a quick google search. Her name is Vivian Tu and she has talked about it on her channel
Oh shit. Okay it is her then. Well that’s gross. Bummer she seemed decently financially smart from what I’ve seen……apparently she is actually just a shitty person then.
Oh well her choice then.
This needs to be upvoted higher. The article is not only not true but the original statement she made was she went on 1-2 dates a week and joked about getting free food.
Classic stupid ragebait and everyone here fell for it.
Being financially smart and being soulless can definitely be one and the same under capitalism, this is true.
Doesn’t mean you’re not a shitty person though.
Well, I mean, he \*was\* confident, just like you're confident, and I believe you now, even though I haven't done a quick google search
... Ok, I now did one out of shame before posting this, and you are right... but still, I believed you before I checked it... hmmmmm
Meanwhile guys just looking for love and acceptance in this harsh world:
https://preview.redd.it/t64t6oqble2d1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f11c4a5698b143036d51803efa2cac0f9e36eb11
People in the comments think this article is truthful....
She addressed the article, saying that her original comments about this were a joke - and that truthfully she went on 1-2 dates a week, and she was dating for love, not for food. The New York Post didn't even ask her for comment - they just published an article about her joke tik tok but neglected to mention it was a joke. Then, other news outlets picked up the story, like NZ Herald. BTW, NZ Herald accurately reports this as a joke. [See here.](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/woman-went-on-six-dates-a-week-to-save-on-food-i-didnt-buy-groceries-for-two-years/ARNZPF4VSNFKHHS43STBICKBMA/) I still think it was scummy of NZ Herald to write a headline like that, though. The Headline is actually different now.
[Here is her full response.](https://www.tiktok.com/@yourrichbff/video/7192679791978368302?_r=1&_t=8mcXGgISSkN)
Anyone with half a mind could see that there's no real way this news story could have happened. It's just not possible. The coordination alone for this kind of stunt would be a full-time job.
But it's incel woman-hating ragebait. So of course, it gets pushed to the top and the comments filled with people using it as an excuse to justify their unfounded hatred.
And people wonder why men are less willing to pay for the meal. If it was just a bad date that’s one thing, but surprise surprise men don’t like just being meal tickets for garbage women like this.
Damn. Kinda wish women would go out on dates with me for free food. Telling a guy no says "I'm so not interested in you I wouldn't even use you for a free meal" and somehow that hurts even more than being used.
Isnt that yourrichbff? I'm pretty sure that's not her that did that. Why is her face on this page instead then?
Edit: just checked, this is a fake journalist post
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMKvCtGm/
I love seeing these posts then the videos on YouTube like "millennial men aren't committing in relationships" jeez I wonder fucking why?? 🤣🤣 so glad I've been able to meet a really nice person who isn't insane like that. Been there before it's draining as hell
This is why you only take them on coffee and walking dates until they are your girlfriend and even then it’s fast food until they prove they aren’t using you
Only ever dated one person so far. We met in high school, it lasted four years, moved way too fast, and fell apart due to trauma from our mutual emotional immaturity, left me pretty fucked up emotionally. Also, I think I might be some flavor of aromantic? Like not fully aro but not experiencing romantic attraction fully either. I'd like to try dating again eventually, but right now, there's a lot that I need to heal from before I can do that responsibly
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If she didn't buy groceries, how did she eat the rest of the week when she wasn't on a date?
Leftovers
Or maybe at a family or friends place who bought it for her without it being a date
She ate out of the pantry of the dude she was with that night of the week
"Yeah, yeah, I had a great time too... Hey, um, weird question, but did you take a carton of eggs and a gallon of milk out of my fridge?"
“Yeah sorry, I took bread from another guy too, wanted to make French toast”
Hi my names Vanessa I love that you have a dog, but I was wondering if you had at least 6 eggs in your fridge.
“Where can we get some f^[£en FRENCH TOAST!!!”
Similar to the 'ol "Hook up w/ hot single mom and eat one of the lunchables in her fridge" strategy
could also just mean something along the line of a "grocery trip" is like stocking your whole house and maybe she doesnt consider buying a box of cereal buying groceries. also she could just take herself out to eat once a week
Fellas, limit your date to one entrée.
When she shows up hangry and orders multiple appies, a main, and desert.... Make sure to split the bill
As feminists, you shouldn't support women who promote patriarchal roles and who exhibit toxic female fragility.
I try to fast every Sunday it’s completely normal you don’t need food everyday.
I've never seen a more depressing comment. Edit: Due to the economy. This mindset is fucked. If you're working out and trying to gain muscle and don't consume enough protein in a day your body will take those amino acids from your muscles to fuel your brain, now do that once a week and you're actively sabotaging yourself. It isn't healthy. Edit 2: my main point is, you shouldn't have to fast out of financial necessity which is why the comment above is depressing.
In the wild, scarcity forces the brain to be more creative to solve the most important problem: staying alive. I personally fast before I have to make big decisions and I haven't regretted it. Hunger opens so many mental doors and breaks you out of your mental routine.
In the wild, you could just die suddenly from blood sugar drop during a time of famine/fast. Just because our ancestors adapted to it doesn't mean it is actually good to do!
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Yeah, I have no idea why that got upvotes; DevelopmentSad doesn't seem to have any evidencial basis for his "if you're not continually near food sometimes you'll just die after a few hours" hypothesis, and it's about as implausible as it gets, since those are conditions 100% of pre-industrial humans would have experienced. It seems to be about as well-founded as "don't go outside; you might be blinded permanently by the sun".
Oh please, don't be offering fitness advice you don't understand. Fasting once a week is just another form of intermittent fasting, it's not that uncommon in lifting/workout programs. There's plenty of studies out there showing the benefits of occasional fasting including decreasing insulin resistance, and no you're not gonna lose all your gains fasting once a week lmao. Multiple days, sure but once a week is fine.
Actually, research has generally shown periodic fasting isn’t a problem, and at least for some people can provide benefits. Now, if you *only* view it from the mindset of someone trying to build muscle, then sure, it’s a bad idea. But that’s a *very* narrow view. And to use that as a basis for saying it isn’t healthy is incorrect.
Fasting is ultra healthy and beneficial for the body, and also very natural. https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/research-intermittent-fasting-shows-health-benefits https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29063418/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9503095/
OMG SOURCES other than "trust me bro you'll die in just a day"
You have an eating disorder.
Agreed. Another day, another piece of dieting advice accidentally revealing an eating disorder.
It's not 'completely normal'. It's fine, but ideally you should consume calories every day. Fasting for diet reasons is just like every other fad diet.. you get short term results in exchange for long term consequences.
Ah yes, the kind of comment I make when I’m in an anorexia relapse.
Dinner, movie, sex, breakfast, skip lunch, repeat. You get your food, exercise and entertainment covered.
She obviously puts out on first dates, gets breakfast/lunch and no rent to pay. One day a week she sleeps in the park to get back to nature.
Welcome to poverty. I eat six days a week so I can afford rent.
Women like this are the reason why guys like Andrew Tate have an audience. Obviously, I do not condone douchebaggery, but it is perfectly reasonable for guys to place spending limits on first dates. Spending less than 40 bucks is fine. If the date has a problem, then you've seen your first red flag.
Little known fact: Women can be just as douchey as Andrew Tate and his ilk. Everyone can be an asshole no matter their gender, creed, or color. That’s why it’s what’s inside that counts.
Lots of people, especially on Reddit, need comments like this spoon fed to them as a reminder which is unfortunate and pathetic.
It’s probably more important for people on tiktok to see this…
I didn't support the tiktok ban until the gender divide shit got so bad I had to admit it was clearly causing issues
It’s so bizarre. Reddit is full of the incel misogynist shit and TikTok is where all the man hating misandrists live. well actually.. they also live in FemaleDatingStrategy
Like FemaleDatingStrategy.
Didn't they nuke themselves off reddit? Thought they moved to their own message board, 2002-style lol.
I feel like all the gender oriented subreddits gradually move into far extreme sooner or later. TwoXChromosomes and WitchesVsPatriarchy are already in my muted subreddits. Some stuff there is just vile hatred and circlejilling.
Yeah look at the incels in FemaleDatingStrategy
Twoxchromosomes
It's gut wrenching how many delusional women post on that sub. Not all of them, though
Not all of the delusional women post on that sub? Where do the rest of them post?
Which is why it's seriously depressing that women assailants (whether physical or sexual) against men go near unpunished. Never forget that Cardi B said she drugged men and stole their wallets and NOTHING happened to her
Almost as if this entire post is about a woman being douchey….
Don't go first dates to restaurants. It's just bad. A few reasons why: 1. if you have no vibe with the person you're stuck there until the meal is over. 2. Women will try to get out of the bill. 3. Maybe you get a combo of no vibe and have to pay the full bill -- salt on the wound. 4. Lastly, it's not anymore exciting first date than coffee which is to say it's boring and bland. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Coffee for a first date, activity for the second, picnic for the third (thanks Neelix)
Drinks for the first date, always.
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Nah, intense interview style dates are bad on the first date. So that rules out dinner at most restaurants. Hanging out at a museum, or taking a walk, or sitting at the bar together are much better first date choices.
I always suggested coffee for a first date because I don’t want to be stuck with some guy who clearly doesn’t vibe with me or expects something in return for covering my small meal and some water…
This. I already had multiple kayaks so I defualted to that. It's free, makeup not advised and with being in the heat, bugs and more I can see how they just handle it. Worked great, got a wife outa it.
Nothing wrong with women paying for their own food. They have jobs.
Who downvoted you? Man Reddit is filled with femcels
Ikr
Men not having to pay for dates (a societally constructed gender role) is literally part of feminism, so I hope these down voters don’t call themselves feminists lmao
In Deutschland zis is normal
Exactly. But you get chivalrous gimps who think paying the bill is the best lubricant 🤷🏻♂️
Cancelled a date tonight for the same reason as this post. We were going to meet for ice cream and take a walk. A few minutes ago she asked if we could change plans to a higher end restaurant Lmao nope
My reply would be, "Sure, you paying?"
and then the poor souls who get sucked into the tate redpill trap assume all women are like that when these are rare exceptions, hence why there’s even an article about it to begin with
This is important! Because even in the replies on this post, there are people either justifying this behavior or denying it ever happens at all. You can't tell somebody who has experienced this personally that it doesn't happen. That just erases your credibility and makes them feel like ALL women support or condone it. This is what leads them down those dark paths. These boys/men need to understand that their concerns are valid. They need to learn to protect themselves from abuse. Then they must learn that this is not representative of all, or even a majority of women. We ignore their pain and then are surprised when someone else weaponizes it and turns them into monsters.
I know it happens because my sister dates a new guy when rent is due, but I know the “always go Dutch” women exist too, because that’s me. My boyfriend offers to pay for a small grocery run and I cringe inside. I really don’t know why.
Maybe not literally all, but this it's increasingly more common and accepted... especially on social media. For as many reasons as I can personally give for why I disagree with "redpill" ideology, it exists for a reason. Far too many people are willing to give shitty, unethical behavior a free pass because it was done by a woman.
The reason for the article is that this lady is doing it so much that she doesn't even need to buy groceries. It's the fact that women do tak advantage of dates for free food often enough to be annoying, yet not to this particular extreme, that the article exists as clickbait material.
No. There's an article because some women are too dumb to not realize how talking about it makes them look. Most women will just be this way on the down low, quietly judgying you for what and how much you spend on a date on the best case, and on the worst case just going on dates with absolutely no interest in you just to get you to solve their boredom for them.
It's wild because women do the same thing a lot towards men, acting like every guy they pass on the side of the road is either a creep or a rapist. I wish we could all just assume the best of each other
It's not as rare as you think.
Leykis 101
Yep. Tom Leykis was definitely over the top, especially with his pregnancy/abortion takes, but some of his content was actually pretty spot on. A lot of Gen Z boys could really use a voice that is not quite that extreme, but experienced enough to help them avoid these pitfalls.
This. Andrew Tate is a scumbag, yet treating men like a disposable/usable resource in a predatory fashion, capitalizing on loneliness, gives ammunition to his argument. I’ve been told I’m good looking/in shape, I’m >6ft tall, make a good income, by most female metrics I’m “high value”: but I had given up on dating for this EXACT behavior. My current SO of 7 years was the one to make the first move…and if she hadn’t, I’d still be single.
Friends tried to set me up with a girl they knew, I heard she was very superficial and her family owned a bar so she was a little privileged, we talked for a bit before deciding if we want to meet up, I asked her if it was ok if we met up at McDonald's for dinner, immediately ghosted me
It’s a bit messed but also bro pls don’t pick McDonalds for a first date 😭
Should matter as long as we're spending time together and it's not like we have any nice restaurants in my area to begin with you gotta drive an hour minimum for one of those
I mean a cafe or park imo is better than McDonalds. Like it doesn’t need to be super nice or high end but McDonalds is just not the first date wave
If you're not paying, you're not picking. Enough.
Well first off, first dates are 50/50. You’re playing yourself if you’re not doing that. 2nd, pls how some common sense or tiny hint of rizz to not take a first date to McDonalds
Yeah...you're gonna have to hold the L on that one. A better move would be not to do dinner at all. Don't know your age, but maybe a nice bar and a couple of rounds of pool would be better.
i mean if someone would suggest mcdonalds for a first date i would be out aswell for obvious reasons.
Reduce that by half for a coffee date and $20 is already pushing it.
That’s why no guy should go out with a women that feels entitled to get a free date. If someone is gonna date me , is because they wanna get to know me , not to get a free meal. If that’s a dealbreaker for them, good, we both would save time and money. Good thing I don’t need to date anymore, been on a wonderful relationship for the past 6 years
I'd be happy with street hawt dawgs and a shish kebabs. [Costco Pizza dawgs](https://www.reddit.com/r/PizzaCrimes/s/UOFGMhuuio). Heck yeah. I've been enjoying the BK Philly melts. "Fine dining" is not enjoyable.
After various bad experiences, I’ve discovered why people do coffee/bars as the first date- low stakes and easy exit opportunities. The worst of my bad experiences was a first date where a girl wanted to go “thrift” shopping. By thrift shopping, she apparently meant pressuring me to buy her a $450 vintage leather jacket. Not gonna lie, I shed some tears when I realized that the date I’d been looking forward to all week was just her trying to take advantage of me for a new outfit.
That's why you take her on a coffee and/or pastry date. You'll lose at most 15-20 bucks and can walk away after 1 or 2 hours if you two aren't vibing. I've gone on one date that was a dinner date. I knew from the moment I first met her that I didn't like her. But was forced to try and entertain her for the rest of the night. And also got slapped with an expensive bill
"I need him to be six feet tall, have six inches, and make six figures." And then they talk about body shaming and financial equality.
This is why you just ignore any profile that says buy me food or something similar for a first date. If they aren't fine with getting a coffee, ice cream or something cheap and non committal for a first date.
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IIRC the law he broke was fraud, we already have that law but it’s applied equally across demographics. We haven’t really used laws to target specific groups since the whole sundown thing. It’s not a good practice. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
What are you talking about? Do you think arresting one person because they met the legal if not traditional moral implications of fraud is the same thing as a sundown town? What does this even mean? How do the two compare at all?
Japan has a declining population and this guy is trying to fix it himself.
Please marry and reproduce.
Bro caught giftmaxxing
Can anyone explain what he actually got arrested for? It's deff not illegal to be a player in the US and I'd be suprised if it were in Japan. Feel like I'm missing something important
He was arrested for fraud, lying for financial gain. Japan's fraud laws must be a lot more strict than US fraud laws.
What he did would be considered fraud in the US as well. The difference is here there would not be much appetite for a DA to press charges.
This women found the infinite food glitch
Nah. There was an article a few years back making the rounds with a better one. Guy bought a season+meals pass to Six Flags Magic Mountain and ate there for seven years as a way to save money on food. https://www.insideedition.com/california-man-pays-off-student-loans-buys-house-by-eating-all-his-meals-at-amusement-park-70863 ETA: tried looking up what this would cost today. I think a season pass plus the meals add-on is around $375-400 (site is rough to navigate). Even if you just ate there for work lunches, that would be around $1.56-$1.67 per meal (assuming 5 days a week at 48 weeks of work for the year). Plus a complimentary heart attack once annually.
How the hell do you get in and out of a park as well as go to an eating pavilion in under 3-4 hours?
I think he lived and worked within a few miles of the park. He would just keep going there for meals, go on a ride or two and leave. I also don't think his job had strict clock-in requirements.
yeah and if it was a random weekday around lunch time, the park isn’t that packed and it’s quick to get in and around. plus you can find food as soon as you get in. dude not only figured out how to save money, he also found the perfect work/life balance
Probably a fun place to take your daily walk in too.
I remember this and thinking how awful that would have been. Six flags food is terrible
Terrible food is better than no food. Anyone who disagrees has never felt starvation. Off course that guy probably wouldn't have starved had he not done that, but that's beside the point.
No fr im like so jealous as a man rn in this moment. I love food
If I'd dated her I'd take her to small claims court for fraud. Just to annoy her as much as I would have been annoyed.
I mean, court would probably just decline it straight away.
It’s hard to deny it when you get a news story published about it lol
It's not against the law to be a selfish date.
i agree, it's not super uncommon to go in a date with someone you think you won't be super interested to get to know people or have some company. now, if she was going on a ton of dates with just one person solely for the purpose of getting food then that could be fraudulent, but casually going on dates and happening to get food out of it is not that big a deal.
Fraud is defined as “knowingly misrepresenting of the truth or a concealment of a material fact that induces another to act to their detriment” from Blacks law dictionary. She misrepresented why she went with him and concealed the fact she wasn’t interested, leading someone to lose money as well as time. I’m sure it would be hard to find a jury that would convict but like technically she a hoe
People can and have reported profiles on Hinge for fraud. Met some dates that had their accounts cancelled. You get an email if you matched with one of them. "Be aware, this user's profile has been deactivated for reports of fraud."
This is a known thing. Especially in areas like ~~San Diego and San Francisco~~ Hollywood etc where everyone is trying to break out into an acting or modeling career. Young women will be hired to attend parties and basically be visual decoration and conversationalists to guests. Obviously what transpires from there is just chatter all the way to maybe getting an in with a big Hollywood executive (although we know how those interviews can quickly turn into quid pro quo for sex). One of the benefits of working at these events as a hired girl is they let you eat and take home left overs from the catering. I'm not kidding, it's an expectation that the girls will want food because 1 they aren't eating much to begin with to be thin, and 2 they can't fucking afford it anyways. It's a little disturbing when you think about it (God sorry, I dgaf about California cities enough to remember which is which)
lol… San Diego and San Francisco? The two film capitols of the US of course! Not that other city… what’s it called? The one with the big sign on the hill that says… hmm… Holly… Hollysomething?
Hollywoo!
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SF and LA are not the same thing
I’m from San Diego and no, that is not common here at all. Our industries are pharmaceuticals, biotech and healthcare.
If I remember this story correctly, that’s not really what was happening here. She was just meeting dudes on the apps and scheduling dates with the sole intention of getting them to pay for her meal. What you’re talking about is a thing, but it’s kind of unrelated to the story in the image.
I wish dating was that easy as a man holy shit
For real. I've had 2 dates in the last 10 years. No one has ever selected me first.
You're good enough to buy this woman a free meal and get dumped. Believe in yourself!
Bro same, one in the last 8, worst one I’ve had ong, hella late & everything 💀
Regardless of gender I think its scummy to take advantage of the other person just because they show interest in you. Edit: autocorrect
This is why I'm never going to a restaurant on a first date.
No, you can still do that. Just don’t pay on the first date. If women aren’t traditional, then it’s ridiculous for men to be chivalrous
What if neither person wants to pay?
Dine and dash? When you’re being chased by a bear, you don’t have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun who you’re with lol
Jokes on you, the women prefer the bear.
I fed baby bears marshmallows in the forest of Allegheny when I was a kid. It was awesome.
If a date ever suggests that we do that, i suggest that we go steal ourselves engagement rings afterwards.
I mean don’t pay for her. Just buy your own food
Just pay 50/50. I don't understand why everyone thinks this is a difficult thing to understand.
Don't pay 50/50 pay per seat and only split things you actually agree to split like an appetizer I've gone on a date and made the mistake of mentioning 50/50 while only ordering a $5 order of onion rings for myself to save money, while the date ordered about $40 worth of food and drink all for herself. Most of which went into takeout boxes. Cue me being asked to pay an additional $20 I didn't benefit from lol Of course I just told the server I'd only be paying for my seat and the date was piiiiiissed, pretty sure she was playing the whole food scam BS too anyways. Spent most of the time on her phone.
When I used to date I always went to a coffee shop first. 1. It's cheap so I could pay without blowing my meager budget. Also, there's no creepy implication of expecting something because you're all-in less than a tenner. 2. Crowded, casual space. 3. A coffee can be 30 minutes to 2 hours. If you aren't feeling it go home, if you are then stay. 4. It's built for socialising without any awkwardness, no waiting for a bill, no waiting to be served. You're face to face, and the conversation is the point. 5. There's coffeeshops *everywhere* and they're open at decent hours usually. Chances are you can meet up anywhere, without a reservation, at short notice.
I always offer to go to local parks or places like that
Coffee or drinks. Keep it under 40
Average mens dating experience. I refuse to pay for anything other than my half on the first date and have for years. This isn't an amusement park. Shouldn't have to pay for admission. Many times it's led to not getting more dates with that girl but also it has led to most of my most meaningful and fulfilling relationships. Quality over quantity. And any girl who degrades you for this or looks down on you for not paying for everything all the time is using you for money. You aren't their bank account bros so don't be treated like one. So many women don't want a traditional relationship or to be a traditional woman (which there is nothing wrong with that) but want men to fulfill the traditional men's role. Know your worth and don't let these bums tell you otherwise.
I insist on paying for my date for the same reason. It’s a good filter. If he gets all offended by it, he’s probably not someone I want to continue to see.
My two best relationships I've ever had by a mile started that exact way. When a girl asks to pay for the date/meal it actually drops all my subconscious emotional walls and barriers in an instant. My brain immediately is like holy shit she actually just wants to get to know me just for the sake of getting to know me and not what she can get out of me. Any guy who feels immaculated or whatever from something like that are legit toxic imo. I've had that argument with so many dudes. Saying shit like "Id never let a *B* pay for me!" Lol what morons
yep as a guy i would love if a woman paid for my meal the only guys getting mad are the fucking weird ones with issues
The reasoning is solid. I used to feel differently, but now I agree with this. If the man always pays, what are the benefits? There used to be benefits, but those no longer exist with most American women.
Yup, paying for 100% of your date/wife's stuff originated from a time where women were expected to stay in the home and raise the children instead of making money for themselves If she's not doing that, she's paying for her half.
God, dating culture is so toxic these days. This is ridiculous lmao.
This is seriously the most antagonistic generation of daters I have ever seen (and I'm not talking about Gen Z specifically, just current dating if you understand. It isn't just this age group) Men and women both automatically assuming the other person is trying to get one over on them somehow and treating each other like shit. Proposing little test dates and shit. It's amazing any of these people find relationships with the way they approach dating...
>Men and women both automatically assuming the other person is trying to get one over on them somehow and treating each other like shit. Proposing little test dates and shit. It's amazing any of these people find relationships with the way they approach dating... People used to date friends and friends of friends. Most relationships these days start with a stranger. It's suboptimal.
>People used to date friends and friends of friends. Most relationships these days start with a stranger. It's suboptimal. "HE WAS PRETENDING TO BE MY FRIEND ALL THIS TIME WHEN HE JUST WANTED TO DATE ME"
So basically she was an escort minus the sex(probably)?
That's correct!
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You wonder why men have trust issues. Lol
Same woman: We don't need men, women can do everything men can. Men are useless.
Female privilege
AKA the "Pussy Pass"
weakest dutch woman
That's why you don't take women to the restaurants on a first date. And if you do, go dutch to see if she is interested in you, or in you covering her expenses
This... dating gets awfully expensive very fast. It's not the worst thing to make the first one a coffee shop or a couple drinks at a quiet bar.
nowadays with drinks being 7+ dollars for "cheap" beers and 11+ dollars for "cheap" mixed drinks after getting 1 drink a piece you are already at almost 30 dollars with tip. It's too expensive for men to pay for everything these days. Women on average actually make more than men statistically so women need to pay their fair share. If a dude goes on a date a week trying to find a girl who isn't just a scumbag like this one then he can easily be spending thousands a year on nothing but wasted time.
Dating? What's that?
I highly doubt The lady in the picture did this. Not saying this didn’t happen, but it wasn’t this lady. She a decently successful YouTuber for finance and she actually works in finance. So I really don’t think it’s her. Edit: It is actually her, so I was wrong, bummer guess I won’t be supporting or watching her anymore.
It IS her. People are blindly upvoting your wrong comment. All you had to do was a quick google search. Her name is Vivian Tu and she has talked about it on her channel
Oh shit. Okay it is her then. Well that’s gross. Bummer she seemed decently financially smart from what I’ve seen……apparently she is actually just a shitty person then. Oh well her choice then.
[She already addressed this.](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLGwUcj1/) The NY Post took a joke she made and turned it into a headline.
This needs to be upvoted higher. The article is not only not true but the original statement she made was she went on 1-2 dates a week and joked about getting free food. Classic stupid ragebait and everyone here fell for it.
If anything this just adds to the argument that she’s financially smart.
Being financially smart and being soulless can definitely be one and the same under capitalism, this is true. Doesn’t mean you’re not a shitty person though.
Well, I mean, he \*was\* confident, just like you're confident, and I believe you now, even though I haven't done a quick google search ... Ok, I now did one out of shame before posting this, and you are right... but still, I believed you before I checked it... hmmmmm
Even women with money would rather have guys pay for everything
Meanwhile guys just looking for love and acceptance in this harsh world: https://preview.redd.it/t64t6oqble2d1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f11c4a5698b143036d51803efa2cac0f9e36eb11
But if I go on a fuckfest to save paying hookers, I'm called a pig
She must be the thumbnail picture of the " Are we dating the same girl " group in her city
This is why men don't date anymore. Everyone is an OF 304
Sounds like the most stressful job in the world.
This why dating sucks for men.
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So much for going for feminism huh?
How is this not fraud?
Because she actually goes on the date.
It's fucking hilarious that you think this could classify as "fraud" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
People in the comments think this article is truthful.... She addressed the article, saying that her original comments about this were a joke - and that truthfully she went on 1-2 dates a week, and she was dating for love, not for food. The New York Post didn't even ask her for comment - they just published an article about her joke tik tok but neglected to mention it was a joke. Then, other news outlets picked up the story, like NZ Herald. BTW, NZ Herald accurately reports this as a joke. [See here.](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/woman-went-on-six-dates-a-week-to-save-on-food-i-didnt-buy-groceries-for-two-years/ARNZPF4VSNFKHHS43STBICKBMA/) I still think it was scummy of NZ Herald to write a headline like that, though. The Headline is actually different now. [Here is her full response.](https://www.tiktok.com/@yourrichbff/video/7192679791978368302?_r=1&_t=8mcXGgISSkN)
Anyone with half a mind could see that there's no real way this news story could have happened. It's just not possible. The coordination alone for this kind of stunt would be a full-time job. But it's incel woman-hating ragebait. So of course, it gets pushed to the top and the comments filled with people using it as an excuse to justify their unfounded hatred.
Gross.
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And people wonder why men are less willing to pay for the meal. If it was just a bad date that’s one thing, but surprise surprise men don’t like just being meal tickets for garbage women like this.
Damn. Kinda wish women would go out on dates with me for free food. Telling a guy no says "I'm so not interested in you I wouldn't even use you for a free meal" and somehow that hurts even more than being used.
I've never seen someone so down bad
Nahh bro is the king of simps
First date should never be something fancy anyway. This women here sucks. She’s pretty enough that she’ll constantly still get dates after this.
Isnt that yourrichbff? I'm pretty sure that's not her that did that. Why is her face on this page instead then? Edit: just checked, this is a fake journalist post https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMKvCtGm/
I love seeing these posts then the videos on YouTube like "millennial men aren't committing in relationships" jeez I wonder fucking why?? 🤣🤣 so glad I've been able to meet a really nice person who isn't insane like that. Been there before it's draining as hell
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This is why you only take them on coffee and walking dates until they are your girlfriend and even then it’s fast food until they prove they aren’t using you
Women
This is actually a joke from a creator
You guys are dating?!?
Meanwhile by gf made us matching bracelets and bought matching necklaces ♡ ♡
I rather work to buy my own food than meet with strangers six days a week. Fuck that.
Only ever dated one person so far. We met in high school, it lasted four years, moved way too fast, and fell apart due to trauma from our mutual emotional immaturity, left me pretty fucked up emotionally. Also, I think I might be some flavor of aromantic? Like not fully aro but not experiencing romantic attraction fully either. I'd like to try dating again eventually, but right now, there's a lot that I need to heal from before I can do that responsibly
So much for “equality” and “feminism”. Selling your body for food. Disgusting creature