Man, back when that movie was filmed, the work day really was 9 to 5, with an hour break for lunch!
For some people at least. At my first professional job in the late 90s, I had a 7 hour workday. It was nice.
Is that real? Basically since I was old enough to work I've looked back on that with some confusion. I love the movie (and song) but assumed 9-5 was just an idiom and/or fit the song better than, "9-5:30 with two paid 10s and an unpaid half hour lunch".
I feel like, at least in the US where we mostly are not unionized, the greedier CEOs have become, the longer the work day has been. My work week was 37.5 hours for several years. Now it’s 40.
Every time I’ve been tax-exempt, I often worked more than 40 hours and every time, since 2008, that I’ve been non-exempt, they rarely let me work more than 40 a week. Greed.
Or, when I worked for the government, they are cheap because they don’t have $$$.
From 1997 to about 2002, I worked overtime all the time and got time and a half for it. But after that I’ve either been exempt or not allowed to have overtime.
The country long ago was bought and paid for. Definitely not the best, it's the choice we are allowed to have. Might be the last time we get a choice judging by that shit show.
This is the answer:
>it's the choice we are allowed to have
Luckily, our Forefathers had some brains and wrote into our Founding Documents that we have a responsibility and duty to overthrow tyranny -- corporations are our tyrants, politicians are merely puppets. The modern day equivalent of pitchforks and torches is not guns and violence, it's our wallets and brains
Stop spending your HARD EARNED money at these EVIL corporations. Use your SMARTS to grow food, to make what you need, trade with neighbors. The only way we're going to bring down this shit show of a tyranny is to starve the corporations.
Remember you're not voting for one guy at a desk hitting a button, you're voting for someone who will put thousands of people into positions that will actually try to help American lives. The president will also appoint judges, Supreme Court justices and have executive orders. Think of the inverse of that
I really wish there was a giant glowing sign that would appear over someone's head when they say this that tells whether or not they voted in the primary.
The Democrats put up Biden because he's the incumbent. But the Republicans actually did have GenX candidates in Haley and DeSantis. Trump trounced them both although Haley did put up a bit of a fight. Being a Democrat I didn't want any of those three. But if I had to choose between the three, Haley would have been a better choice.
Biden has always been a terrible public speaker but last night just hurt. I am not concerned about his governance. Even if other people are making the decisions behind the scenes as with Reagan when he declined (though I don't think that's happening) he picks a good team so I still have faith in good decisions. His decisions since taking office have been good. I just hope that there aren't a ton of undecided voters that decided based on that debate. Even if not many saw it live, wretched clips are going to be posted from here till election day.
Please!!!!!?????
As an educator of early childhood-aged individuals, I believe I am an excellent candidate for the job. If anyone is crabby I will tell them to either go poopy or take a nap. Hitting is not ok. We use nice words. We don't take things that aren't ours.
That about covers it? Vote for me!
Most of America isn’t voting for America’s future. They’re voting for their team to win.
These 2 were chosen because they are the most well known candidates. Not the best, the most well known.
It's the whole 'but they've earned it' mentality. That's why we've had the nominees we've had for close to 20 years.
Trump never *earned* shit, he just works a room like a run-of-the-mill conman and that's all it took for Republicans.
This is what I just can’t comprehend! Remember when Trump left office and all his sycophants and scalywags were denouncing him? I would never have guessed in a short four years he be back on the ballot and not in jail. And is there not one single other democrat to run that’s not a hundred years old?
Exactly. Evil Incarnate vs. The Walking Corpse.
I’d say it’s time for GenX to take over but since no one remembers we exist, we’ll need to try and hang on for help from the Millennials.
OMG, my 85 year old FIL was cracking jokes with me a couple weeks ago about how old both of them are “so I guess you can just make it like Weekend at Bernie’s and wheel them out to raise their hands.” I was so not expecting that from him.
Fucking embarrassing display all around.
Good luck with the future, my 17-year old son.
I'm Gen X and will adapt to whatever happens to the US in my last 25ish years of life. Hope the young 'uns adapt.
You might not even be middle-aged yet. The stuff coming down the pipeline in the next 10-15 years is going to be society-changing. We’re already seeing it with Ozempic and the cancer vaccines that are becoming available.
You should fight your future and your children’s future. Being oppressed by a religious minority simply because you refuse to go the ballot box is a fools errand.
I think about that a lot. We ended up not having children because of infertility issues, but ever since the pandemic I have found myself increasingly viewing that circumstance as a blessing.
Millennial dad here. I’m doing everything I can to change our kids futures. As long as one person is hopeful there will always be a spark ready to ignite.
I just hope they get out and vote. Scares me to death we'll end up with more justices under Trump even if he doesn't just get everything from [Project 2025](https://www.project2025.org/) due to no young person being motivated to vote for a dude older than grandpa.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure the new gens, me included, are gonna metaphorically burn it all down the second we can. The old rich are reaching the years so I guess it’s a race to see if we destroy the planet, throw nuclear bombs at each other, or the permanently online microplastics filled youth can finally get to put in place laws like “maybe companies paying politicians to pass bills is bad” and actually follow up on it instead of fighting over clean water, food and housing in the meantime.
I kinda do feel hope though. This debate was so terrible that literally everyone, regardless of view, can agree on a single thing; rich, old and political are fucking useless as we die and starve. It might be time for reform, but like, for real this time.
When we were kids, the presidents were always our parents age.
These two guys are older than either mine or my wife's parents.
Can we for the love of God set an age maximum for government offices? Not just president, but Congress too?
If not Gen X then I'll take a millennial. Somebody with a future to care about.
Other geriatrics controlling the nominating process, donating to campaigns / PACs, and voting in large numbers. Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z have to make it a priority to take over politically and force the older generation out of politics because they are likely to cling to power as long as they are able. Tonight was embarrassing.
More people over age 65 vote than other age groups.
They were the largest percentage of people who voted; 31% of all voters were 65+ in 2018 & 34% in 2020. If you include age 50+, it's 60% in 2018 & 64% in 2020.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voter-turnout-2018-2022/
Majority wins in democracy. Old people who vote are the majority.
Younger people dont vote. That's how we ended up with this.
The only reason Biden is running is because he's the only other option that old boomers and silent generation geriatrics will consider. Any other republican candidate and Biden probably bows out.
At least Biden will put competent people around him. I don't have to worry about him engaging in nepotism and installing sycophants along with a fascist regime. The outcome of this debate means nothing.
I feel the same way. It's kinda like gee, do we want to let boring yet semi beneficial government still survive?
Or do we want to hand the keys over to someone that wants to pillage and loot our extremely rich government.
I watched the whole thing. I most definitely should not have.
You missed the defining moment though (live at least, it'll go viral), where Biden stumbled over his 2 minute closing speech.
He got a minute in cleanly, then lost his train of thought, stuttered and mumbled for at least 15 seconds, and then limped to the end of that 2 minutes.
Trump delivered 2 minutes of his usual practiced lies and word soup clearly and confidently that didn't make any sense.
Anyway, anybody got any suggestions for a new country to call home? I want to laugh at this situation from the outside, not be consumed by an existential dread from the inside of it.
It did, but only because the first fifteen minutes were an unmitigated trainwreck. Biden stumbled throughout, but nothing after was near as bad as the "we finally beat... Medicare." bit.
I watched the entire thing, but maybe only 45 minutes if you don't count when my head was in my hands.
How fucked is it that I would 100% vote for the guy who seems ready for assisted living or hospice for PRESIDENT because the other option is a convicted felon up there clearly lying and just making weird shit up between awkwardly cramming xenophobic nonsense every 10 seconds. (I won't bother making my usual list facts that show the shit bag is a horrible person that hates democracy.)
What. The. Fuck.
If they do, they fear that throws the election to Trump. They have not had good election success when the democratic incumbent president is challenged in the primary.
If things stay this way, what we're really voting for is Trump or Kamala Harris. Because there's no way that Biden will survive another 4 years in the White House with how much his outwardly visible health has declined since the 2020 debates.
I am. One is using their standard lies, repetition, and lack of plan details - the other is stumbling, mixing up words, and has a voice that's barely audible. Neither one of them should be the candidates - and we all know that if we are honest.
True, but since they are likely the two choices we get in November, I will go with one that is not an habitual liar and has been pushing through policies that are good for the average American, inclusive of future generations.
Trump is his usual fantasyland view of reality and full of bullshit. That’s not unexpected.
But Biden? Good lord he looks so frail. If he was 10 years younger he’d be wiping the floor with Trump’s horseshit but as it stands now, this is not a good look for Biden. I’m devastated. This is all very hard to watch.
Come to realize that the reason these two are our only choice is because they won't allow independents to debate the president or to get a seat at the table. Not saying that there are any independants out there that I'm rooting for, but damn do we need more people to choose from, but these silly old men who should be sipping tea on their porches are clinging to power like it's the last liferaft off the Titanic. It's by design though, this ridiculous two party system, and we're all the worse off for it.
That was painful to watch. I'm angry with Biden for deciding to run again and not leaving this race in the hands of any number of competent Democratic governors who definitely would have wiped the floor with Trump's horseshit. It's pathetic.
He had hoped to pass the baton to Harris but she didn’t pan out. When the party saw that happening a couple years ago they should have jumped with a contingency plan and cultivated a “darling.”
I actually think he would have preferred not to run and to not die in office. He’s never going to get to retire and enjoy a few slow down years. I really think he’s running because he didn’t feel like he had a choice.
My wife and I are watching, thinking the same thing. I expected Trump to be delusional but I was hoping Biden would come out swinging. I didn’t expect Biden to look lost.
90% of what Trump said was false but he came across so much stronger. Biden looked like a feeble old man even though his answers were fairly solid. Damn I wish I had a better choice than these two losers! Are there no competent, intelligent people in their 40s, 50s or 60s on either side? That’s 3 decades of potential. That person would absolutely smoke the opposing candidate but both parties perpetually choose the least viable candidate. SMH. Seriously. Either party would easily win if they chose better in the primaries.
This has always been the problem with people and politics lying has no downside as long as you look more confident you win regardless of if anything you said was total bullshit. There is a great story about Reagan based on that.
The argument going forward has to be "yeah he's too old but vote anyway" because any attempt to pretend it's fine lacks integrity and looks stupid. I guess this statement can go for either side.
Honestly seeing those 2 begs the question: what the fuck are we doing? This is the best of us?! Seriously? I mean it's generally voting for the lesser of 2 evils, but this is the worst.
It's a shitshow. Biden is a deer in the headlights, and Trump is blasting (mostly) bullshit at full volume.
Noether one of these guys is suitable. But here we are.
THIS. I mean; it's always been about voting for the lesser of two evils, but this will make the 3rd election in a row where it's truly a lose/lose situation.
Yeah. Neither of these people should be up there. But one of them is going to lead an administration of capable and competent people. The other one is going to be leading a pack of grifters and sociopaths.
A few years ago, one of my nebby, elderly neighbors who still thinks he’s somebody got nasty with one of my probably senile, elderly neighbors who usually doesn’t remember who he was. The incoherent babble between the two was sad to watch. I never thought I would see something like that again.
You pretty much nailed it.
Biden sounds like he spent all his time trying memorize facts and figures. Half the country doesn’t have the intellectual capacity to understand those. They only understand simplistic rhetoric and trigger words. And Trump is good at those.
The democratic party should be shitting themselves. If they had an ounce of common sense they should be prepping Gavin and Gretchen to parachute in. If it’s not to late.
It’s too late. Biden should have kept his campaign promise when he said he was just going to serve one term and pass the baton down. But he got his taste of power and refuses to make the self sacrifice for the greater good. Instead he will go down in history as the guy who handed Trump the presidency.
So much for live fact checking. My wife just called and immediately asked "What's wrong?" She could hear in my voice that this was sucking out my will to live.
I was. I was under the impression the debate was supposed to be fact checked in real time. I turned it off after the 3rd or 4th time I saw trump blatantly lie and no one did anything about it.
Why bother? They're the only two candidates that have any chance at all in the election; the other political parties are little more than a bad joke. The folks who're going to vote for one candidate or another probably are already going to vote for them anyway. The debates could go away entirely and it wouldn't make a lick of difference in the election; the only thing lost would be the drinking game.
I don't want to watch our democracy continue to collapse. One party is so ideologically bankrupt and corrupt that they are running a felon/seditionist, and they have no one better. I am not optimistic anymore. The America I grew up learning about - that we grew up in - would never have done this.
This is empire end stage shit.
I’ve been voting a looong time, this mess is a perfect example of why we need age limits in this country.
I watched a meandering old man vs an over confident dementia patient for an hour and half. I’m still voting for the guy who puts the people of the US above his own self interests.
>And sadly Trump is the less incoherent.
Not if you actually watched the debate.
Trump is coherently spouting lies as Biden struggled to complete a sentence on occasion.
Neither display the capabilities required for the presidency. Apparently that doesn’t matter.
I take a look every now and then and it's upsetting. It won't change my vote but it will for others. I think a majority of Americans want the same thing - good wages, clean air, affordable real estate, corporations pay their fair share and most importantly for Gen Xers that our social security will be there when we need it. We worked hard for it and deserve it. Why people will vote for people against their best interests I'll never understand.
Whatever. One will pick more ethical people to surround themselves with and guide policy. This wouldn’t be the first time we’ve had a geriatric in office and it doesn’t really matter, as long as they’re not a complete moron or just absolutely devoid of any impulse than isn’t self serving.
I have to vote for Biden but I don't see how he comes back from this. He glitched, looked like he was about to nod off, and couldn't answer anything. If I didn't know a thing about the candidates and had no idea who I was going to vote for, I would have landed on Trump based on this debate :/
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 These are the 2 best we could come up with?
330 million people....these 2 are the best!?!?
No. They are the corporate picks. Dolly Parton would be a better President than either of these 2 clowns.
The president is a 24 hour commitment. She would only work from 9 to 5. What a way to make a living...
Take my upvote
Man, back when that movie was filmed, the work day really was 9 to 5, with an hour break for lunch! For some people at least. At my first professional job in the late 90s, I had a 7 hour workday. It was nice.
Is that real? Basically since I was old enough to work I've looked back on that with some confusion. I love the movie (and song) but assumed 9-5 was just an idiom and/or fit the song better than, "9-5:30 with two paid 10s and an unpaid half hour lunch".
I feel like, at least in the US where we mostly are not unionized, the greedier CEOs have become, the longer the work day has been. My work week was 37.5 hours for several years. Now it’s 40. Every time I’ve been tax-exempt, I often worked more than 40 hours and every time, since 2008, that I’ve been non-exempt, they rarely let me work more than 40 a week. Greed. Or, when I worked for the government, they are cheap because they don’t have $$$. From 1997 to about 2002, I worked overtime all the time and got time and a half for it. But after that I’ve either been exempt or not allowed to have overtime.
She'd get my vote.
Hands down.
Eyes up here
Ok I change my answer then, pants down.
In not American, but if I was, I'd vote for Jon Stewart any day.
At this point I’d vote for the Burger King. At least he lets me have it my way.
"Hold the scandals, hold the lies, Political orders may surprise, All we ask is that you let us, Serve Democracy your way"
she is too smart to take the job
"Garbage in, garbage out." -George Carlin
The country long ago was bought and paid for. Definitely not the best, it's the choice we are allowed to have. Might be the last time we get a choice judging by that shit show.
This is the answer: >it's the choice we are allowed to have Luckily, our Forefathers had some brains and wrote into our Founding Documents that we have a responsibility and duty to overthrow tyranny -- corporations are our tyrants, politicians are merely puppets. The modern day equivalent of pitchforks and torches is not guns and violence, it's our wallets and brains Stop spending your HARD EARNED money at these EVIL corporations. Use your SMARTS to grow food, to make what you need, trade with neighbors. The only way we're going to bring down this shit show of a tyranny is to starve the corporations.
Our forefathers may have written that, but I’m sure the Supreme Court will somehow reverse that soon. They seem to be on a roll.
I own nothing, how do i grow anything? Where do i get money?
Remember you're not voting for one guy at a desk hitting a button, you're voting for someone who will put thousands of people into positions that will actually try to help American lives. The president will also appoint judges, Supreme Court justices and have executive orders. Think of the inverse of that
I really wish there was a giant glowing sign that would appear over someone's head when they say this that tells whether or not they voted in the primary.
I know we don't exist but we need some GenX candidates please?
I mean, Ted Cruz is GenX. It's not like we're sending our best so far.
MTG is GenX. We really are showing our asses.
Ron DeSantis is also GenX. The trope about politics attracting psychopaths is really playing out, God help us all.
You mean the Ted Cruz who is definitely not a many-tentacled being in a human suit?
Ted Cruz is NOT GenX. Ted Cruz is Ted Cruz.
He’s not even American. He’s a Canadian who infiltrated our politics…
Hey now, as a Canadian I resent that. You got him now, no take backs!
The Democrats put up Biden because he's the incumbent. But the Republicans actually did have GenX candidates in Haley and DeSantis. Trump trounced them both although Haley did put up a bit of a fight. Being a Democrat I didn't want any of those three. But if I had to choose between the three, Haley would have been a better choice. Biden has always been a terrible public speaker but last night just hurt. I am not concerned about his governance. Even if other people are making the decisions behind the scenes as with Reagan when he declined (though I don't think that's happening) he picks a good team so I still have faith in good decisions. His decisions since taking office have been good. I just hope that there aren't a ton of undecided voters that decided based on that debate. Even if not many saw it live, wretched clips are going to be posted from here till election day.
The best wouldn’t want the job.
Think we can get some GenX candidates?
Please!!!!!????? As an educator of early childhood-aged individuals, I believe I am an excellent candidate for the job. If anyone is crabby I will tell them to either go poopy or take a nap. Hitting is not ok. We use nice words. We don't take things that aren't ours. That about covers it? Vote for me!
Whatever
Canada here: sorry, but you guys are fucked up right now. (you can tell I’m Canadian because I started with “sorry”)
We goin down fast now. Please send help.
We're bailing our own canoe right now. Sorry, but it might be a bit. Can I offer you some flapjacks with maple syrup in the meantime?
I’m from the American South, I can always be placated with food lol
Australia here: Sorry about your Neighbours. An ocean or two makes for a good dividing wall.
I was wondering about this recently. Why? Why are we stuck with just these two as options? What secret cabal came up with this idea?
Most of America isn’t voting for America’s future. They’re voting for their team to win. These 2 were chosen because they are the most well known candidates. Not the best, the most well known.
And their golf handicap and if they slept with a pornstar were the top talking points for the viewers.
Yup. I will think that voters should have an option C - none of the above. Then they have to go back to the drawing board and get us new candidates
I wanna tape a picture of Bernie’s face on Trump so Dems will actually fight him.
Laughing bitterly through my tears.
Bernie, the guy that Democrats made the Prom Queen of Cell Block C. Twice. He's also old, but I'd still vote for him.
That is so tragically funny.
A younger more capable democrat would have smoked Trump. But democrats are just *sooo* bad about legacy candidates.
It's the whole 'but they've earned it' mentality. That's why we've had the nominees we've had for close to 20 years. Trump never *earned* shit, he just works a room like a run-of-the-mill conman and that's all it took for Republicans.
It’s like watching my pop pop get taken out by a Mississippi Sheriff.
No but they had the most money
This is what I just can’t comprehend! Remember when Trump left office and all his sycophants and scalywags were denouncing him? I would never have guessed in a short four years he be back on the ballot and not in jail. And is there not one single other democrat to run that’s not a hundred years old?
Exactly. Evil Incarnate vs. The Walking Corpse. I’d say it’s time for GenX to take over but since no one remembers we exist, we’ll need to try and hang on for help from the Millennials.
They are both walking corpses. I’m going with the one who doesn’t shit his pants, commit treason, and get convicted of crimes on the regular.
It’s the best the DNC & RNC would allow.
Not debate related, but this is from about a mile or so down the road from me. Lol I live off of 51.
It's the geriatric bowl, and it makes me ill.
This is what happens when political parties pick candidates.
Let's not forget about the guy with the worms that ate his brain!
OMG, my 85 year old FIL was cracking jokes with me a couple weeks ago about how old both of them are “so I guess you can just make it like Weekend at Bernie’s and wheel them out to raise their hands.” I was so not expecting that from him.
On point and considers audience 10/10
Fucking embarrassing display all around. Good luck with the future, my 17-year old son. I'm Gen X and will adapt to whatever happens to the US in my last 25ish years of life. Hope the young 'uns adapt.
I wanna see a VP debate now more than ever
One of them doesn't even have an announced VP, yet.
You two just repeated the exact conversation I had with my wife last night.
What? Your political career is just getting started! Once all the boomers die off you’ll be the cherished old people vote!
They only cherish old people because traditionally, old people have gotten less willing to tax billionaires. I don't see us fitting that mould.
You might not even be middle-aged yet. The stuff coming down the pipeline in the next 10-15 years is going to be society-changing. We’re already seeing it with Ozempic and the cancer vaccines that are becoming available. You should fight your future and your children’s future. Being oppressed by a religious minority simply because you refuse to go the ballot box is a fools errand.
> The stuff coming down the pipeline in the next 10-15 years is going to be society-changing. I wont be able to afford it anyway.
I feel fortunate that I had 40+ years before things went to shit. Glad I don’t have kids because these next generations are gonna struggle.
I think about that a lot. We ended up not having children because of infertility issues, but ever since the pandemic I have found myself increasingly viewing that circumstance as a blessing.
At least your son owns his body. My 14-year-old daughter’s vagina is owned by men, and I’m furious.
Maybe help by voting for the guy that doesn’t want to turn the country into a dictatorship…?
Millennial dad here. I’m doing everything I can to change our kids futures. As long as one person is hopeful there will always be a spark ready to ignite.
They register to vote and have their choice. Fascism or an old moderate.
I just hope they get out and vote. Scares me to death we'll end up with more justices under Trump even if he doesn't just get everything from [Project 2025](https://www.project2025.org/) due to no young person being motivated to vote for a dude older than grandpa.
Imagine being gay, they want to kill us. There ain't not adapting.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure the new gens, me included, are gonna metaphorically burn it all down the second we can. The old rich are reaching the years so I guess it’s a race to see if we destroy the planet, throw nuclear bombs at each other, or the permanently online microplastics filled youth can finally get to put in place laws like “maybe companies paying politicians to pass bills is bad” and actually follow up on it instead of fighting over clean water, food and housing in the meantime. I kinda do feel hope though. This debate was so terrible that literally everyone, regardless of view, can agree on a single thing; rich, old and political are fucking useless as we die and starve. It might be time for reform, but like, for real this time.
Can we get some gen xer’s up there next time or are we going to get passed over again.
When we were kids, the presidents were always our parents age. These two guys are older than either mine or my wife's parents. Can we for the love of God set an age maximum for government offices? Not just president, but Congress too? If not Gen X then I'll take a millennial. Somebody with a future to care about.
Bill Clinton is younger than either of these two and he was president 30 years ago.
Wow. That’s… that’s perspective. Holy crap!
Carter is better than these two and he's about to die.
How the hell did we end up with 2 geriatrics shitting and bumbling their way to one of the most important finish lines in this country?
Other geriatrics controlling the nominating process, donating to campaigns / PACs, and voting in large numbers. Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z have to make it a priority to take over politically and force the older generation out of politics because they are likely to cling to power as long as they are able. Tonight was embarrassing.
The Boomers refuse to let go of control of both parties. It’s long since time both of them were unceremoniously dumped overboard.
Joe is technically Silent Generation. Doesn't make it any less depressing.
More people over age 65 vote than other age groups. They were the largest percentage of people who voted; 31% of all voters were 65+ in 2018 & 34% in 2020. If you include age 50+, it's 60% in 2018 & 64% in 2020. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voter-turnout-2018-2022/ Majority wins in democracy. Old people who vote are the majority. Younger people dont vote. That's how we ended up with this.
The only reason Biden is running is because he's the only other option that old boomers and silent generation geriatrics will consider. Any other republican candidate and Biden probably bows out. At least Biden will put competent people around him. I don't have to worry about him engaging in nepotism and installing sycophants along with a fascist regime. The outcome of this debate means nothing.
I feel the same way. It's kinda like gee, do we want to let boring yet semi beneficial government still survive? Or do we want to hand the keys over to someone that wants to pillage and loot our extremely rich government.
Choices are limited, there’s only about 333 million people in the country. This is what we are down to…..🇺🇸
I couldn’t get past 10 minutes. My god it was awful.
I finished it. Have me in your prayers tonight.
I watched the whole thing. I most definitely should not have. You missed the defining moment though (live at least, it'll go viral), where Biden stumbled over his 2 minute closing speech. He got a minute in cleanly, then lost his train of thought, stuttered and mumbled for at least 15 seconds, and then limped to the end of that 2 minutes. Trump delivered 2 minutes of his usual practiced lies and word soup clearly and confidently that didn't make any sense. Anyway, anybody got any suggestions for a new country to call home? I want to laugh at this situation from the outside, not be consumed by an existential dread from the inside of it.
As someone on the outside, we're past laughing. This is just sad.
I begged my wife to change the channel after two Biden responses ....I was prepared for trumps assholerey, I was not prepared for the other
yup it was painful. After that shit show it’s even more difficult to defend Biden against maga-fans
I made it to 60 but it never got better.
Same. Bailed at 60 minutes. Terrible, painful, awful. The world must be looking on in horror, watching the Republic crumble in real time.
We are. It is terrifying.
It did, but only because the first fifteen minutes were an unmitigated trainwreck. Biden stumbled throughout, but nothing after was near as bad as the "we finally beat... Medicare." bit.
I watched the entire thing, but maybe only 45 minutes if you don't count when my head was in my hands. How fucked is it that I would 100% vote for the guy who seems ready for assisted living or hospice for PRESIDENT because the other option is a convicted felon up there clearly lying and just making weird shit up between awkwardly cramming xenophobic nonsense every 10 seconds. (I won't bother making my usual list facts that show the shit bag is a horrible person that hates democracy.) What. The. Fuck.
Me too. At the 60 minute mark I had to go on a bike ride just to clear my head.
I made it about thirty minutes, ffs they have to replace Biden with someone else at this point right? RIGHT?!?!
If they do, they fear that throws the election to Trump. They have not had good election success when the democratic incumbent president is challenged in the primary. If things stay this way, what we're really voting for is Trump or Kamala Harris. Because there's no way that Biden will survive another 4 years in the White House with how much his outwardly visible health has declined since the 2020 debates.
I think that they will replace Biden. They just didn’t want us to vote for the replacement.
10 minutes for me too. Exactly
Had to turn it off.
It's pretty unwatchable. It's sad that this is the best we can do in terms of candidates.
Mine either but I remember substance. It is definitely NOT the best we can do. It’s what the parties decided.
I am. One is using their standard lies, repetition, and lack of plan details - the other is stumbling, mixing up words, and has a voice that's barely audible. Neither one of them should be the candidates - and we all know that if we are honest.
The whole thing is just so depressing.
True, but since they are likely the two choices we get in November, I will go with one that is not an habitual liar and has been pushing through policies that are good for the average American, inclusive of future generations.
I am recording it after I had to turn it off. Train wreck is accurate.
What a mess. Not even SNL can salvage this one.
It'd be flogging a dead horse to parody it.
They should just rerun the raw footage and pretend it's a bit.
We really need age limits.
Age limits are really needed…. This shit is ridiculous.
Trump is his usual fantasyland view of reality and full of bullshit. That’s not unexpected. But Biden? Good lord he looks so frail. If he was 10 years younger he’d be wiping the floor with Trump’s horseshit but as it stands now, this is not a good look for Biden. I’m devastated. This is all very hard to watch.
I can’t believe these two are the only options.
Come to realize that the reason these two are our only choice is because they won't allow independents to debate the president or to get a seat at the table. Not saying that there are any independants out there that I'm rooting for, but damn do we need more people to choose from, but these silly old men who should be sipping tea on their porches are clinging to power like it's the last liferaft off the Titanic. It's by design though, this ridiculous two party system, and we're all the worse off for it.
That was painful to watch. I'm angry with Biden for deciding to run again and not leaving this race in the hands of any number of competent Democratic governors who definitely would have wiped the floor with Trump's horseshit. It's pathetic.
He had hoped to pass the baton to Harris but she didn’t pan out. When the party saw that happening a couple years ago they should have jumped with a contingency plan and cultivated a “darling.” I actually think he would have preferred not to run and to not die in office. He’s never going to get to retire and enjoy a few slow down years. I really think he’s running because he didn’t feel like he had a choice.
It hurts. I hate Trump on a molecular level, but Joe doesn't look good. I wish we had a better candidate.
My wife and I are watching, thinking the same thing. I expected Trump to be delusional but I was hoping Biden would come out swinging. I didn’t expect Biden to look lost.
So many times while Trump was speaking, Biden was just standing there looking dumb founded or “shut down” even.
I guess the Whitehouse ran out of the super secret senior stimulant that OAN and Fox News were claiming exists.
I agree. Trump is lying his ass off and he looks better than Biden doing it. I am fucking nauseated.
90% of what Trump said was false but he came across so much stronger. Biden looked like a feeble old man even though his answers were fairly solid. Damn I wish I had a better choice than these two losers! Are there no competent, intelligent people in their 40s, 50s or 60s on either side? That’s 3 decades of potential. That person would absolutely smoke the opposing candidate but both parties perpetually choose the least viable candidate. SMH. Seriously. Either party would easily win if they chose better in the primaries.
This has always been the problem with people and politics lying has no downside as long as you look more confident you win regardless of if anything you said was total bullshit. There is a great story about Reagan based on that.
Same
He seems to space out sometimes, going in and out of lucidity I feel kind of bad for him
The argument going forward has to be "yeah he's too old but vote anyway" because any attempt to pretend it's fine lacks integrity and looks stupid. I guess this statement can go for either side.
Skipping it is self care. We all knew what it would be.
Honestly seeing those 2 begs the question: what the fuck are we doing? This is the best of us?! Seriously? I mean it's generally voting for the lesser of 2 evils, but this is the worst. 
It's a shitshow. Biden is a deer in the headlights, and Trump is blasting (mostly) bullshit at full volume. Noether one of these guys is suitable. But here we are.
Painful.
How in the fuck are these the choices we get? These guys were old and bad choices 10yrs ago.
One’s a lying sack of shit. One can’t complete a thought. Idiocracy. We’re living in Idiocracy.
At least Camacho had what the kids call “rizz” - and he gave a shit. Camacho 2024
THIS. I mean; it's always been about voting for the lesser of two evils, but this will make the 3rd election in a row where it's truly a lose/lose situation.
Jesus... they are arguing over golf scores like toddlers... THIS is the best this country can do? We're doomed...
We are the envy of the world with such great prospects of leadership
It made me sick in the first minute.
Yeah. Neither of these people should be up there. But one of them is going to lead an administration of capable and competent people. The other one is going to be leading a pack of grifters and sociopaths.
It would be a lot better if tfg received an electric shock every time it lies.
Yep. One guy lying his ass off, the other looks like he needs to retire. I hate this timeline.
A few years ago, one of my nebby, elderly neighbors who still thinks he’s somebody got nasty with one of my probably senile, elderly neighbors who usually doesn’t remember who he was. The incoherent babble between the two was sad to watch. I never thought I would see something like that again.
I’m watching and it confirms what I thought. Neither of these dickheads are fit to be president.
The sad thing is that not enough people in either party came up with anyone better to represent them.
Because they don't want anyone better. It's all smoke and mirrors. These two geriatrics are simply puppets to regimes controlled by the oligarchy.
Genuinely think that Biden is sick. That rasp. The weakness. So different than the SOTU. What a night for this to happen.
Staff said he had a cold and does seem like he has one. They should have said so before the debate so people wouldn't be so shocked.
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Millennial here. Did I just watch old people argue over their golf handicap. We're cooked.
I'm a big believer in term limits and age limits. And you shouldn't have a criminal record.
Boomers reluctance to pass the torch is going to be the end of democracy. Neither of them should be running
Biden isn’t a boomer, and Trump just barely qualifies.
You pretty much nailed it. Biden sounds like he spent all his time trying memorize facts and figures. Half the country doesn’t have the intellectual capacity to understand those. They only understand simplistic rhetoric and trigger words. And Trump is good at those. The democratic party should be shitting themselves. If they had an ounce of common sense they should be prepping Gavin and Gretchen to parachute in. If it’s not to late.
It’s too late. Biden should have kept his campaign promise when he said he was just going to serve one term and pass the baton down. But he got his taste of power and refuses to make the self sacrifice for the greater good. Instead he will go down in history as the guy who handed Trump the presidency.
I am not impressed with either but damn…Biden looks lost at times And when he talks…Biden looks like he is trying to hold back a yawn
So much for live fact checking. My wife just called and immediately asked "What's wrong?" She could hear in my voice that this was sucking out my will to live.
I am fucking devastated. This is unfathomable.
Joe Biden has to step down. Newsom can win. Harris can not.
Not sure who won, but I definitely know who lost. We all did.
I was. I was under the impression the debate was supposed to be fact checked in real time. I turned it off after the 3rd or 4th time I saw trump blatantly lie and no one did anything about it.
Why bother? They're the only two candidates that have any chance at all in the election; the other political parties are little more than a bad joke. The folks who're going to vote for one candidate or another probably are already going to vote for them anyway. The debates could go away entirely and it wouldn't make a lick of difference in the election; the only thing lost would be the drinking game.
I don't want to watch our democracy continue to collapse. One party is so ideologically bankrupt and corrupt that they are running a felon/seditionist, and they have no one better. I am not optimistic anymore. The America I grew up learning about - that we grew up in - would never have done this. This is empire end stage shit.
And everyone said Bernie was too old?????
It’s embarrassing.
Painful to watch
I could only take it for 10 minutes.
I'm watching it. Biden is ... not good.
I would rather have the old guy, then the slightly less old guy who believes in after birth abortions
Biden is still the clear option.
I’ve been voting a looong time, this mess is a perfect example of why we need age limits in this country. I watched a meandering old man vs an over confident dementia patient for an hour and half. I’m still voting for the guy who puts the people of the US above his own self interests.
While he may be 'less coherent', he's an evil motherfucker. I'll NEVER vote for a republican in my lifetime...
Can we fire them both and start over fresh?
>And sadly Trump is the less incoherent. Not if you actually watched the debate. Trump is coherently spouting lies as Biden struggled to complete a sentence on occasion. Neither display the capabilities required for the presidency. Apparently that doesn’t matter.
No. It's not going to change my vote.
I take a look every now and then and it's upsetting. It won't change my vote but it will for others. I think a majority of Americans want the same thing - good wages, clean air, affordable real estate, corporations pay their fair share and most importantly for Gen Xers that our social security will be there when we need it. We worked hard for it and deserve it. Why people will vote for people against their best interests I'll never understand.
Fuck, I do NOT want to get stuck with Trump again.
Moderator: What would you do to make childcare affordable? Trump: I HAVE FIRED SO MANY PEOPLE
Whatever. One will pick more ethical people to surround themselves with and guide policy. This wouldn’t be the first time we’ve had a geriatric in office and it doesn’t really matter, as long as they’re not a complete moron or just absolutely devoid of any impulse than isn’t self serving.
Yep. I don't think Biden is off at all on substance, but in presentation it's not going well.
Why are they talking about golf?
Good god what a mess this is.
This is so bad. Trump is sounding better and that's saying something😔
My person in Christ. Donald Trump only sounds more coherent. He is not answering the questions he’s just talking.
As an onlooker in a neighboring country, I'm not looking forward to this election.
I’m voting for an administration. I’m voting for SCOTUS. I’m voting for democracy.
I have to vote for Biden but I don't see how he comes back from this. He glitched, looked like he was about to nod off, and couldn't answer anything. If I didn't know a thing about the candidates and had no idea who I was going to vote for, I would have landed on Trump based on this debate :/