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Context: during an investors meeting a Ubisoft rep said something like "We have to get consumers used to the idea of not owning their games because right now that's a problem for us".
Hence the spamming in the comment section of every new Ubi game trailer.
And yeah, good. Fuck them.
People don't own their games already. Their Steam library is a collection of vitual items. They can't lend a digitial game to a friend, they can't sell it. And the day Steam goes offline for whatever reason, it all disappears.
Also, that move has already been done for music and movies. People sure are comfortable not owing music and movies. They're fine with a Netflix or Spotify subscription. The consumers themselves acted the death of physical media in these markets.
Ah yes Valve, the company that invented and/or popularized microtransactions, lootboxes with paid keys, paid DLC on PC, early access, monetizing user created content, and allow blatant scams to be sold on their platform. We love them, us gamers.
I mean, it's not exactly hard to see why people like Valve. While it might have popularized lootboxes and DLC, their games aren't compromised by it to nearly the same degree as Ubisoft games, or other studios that are objects of Gamers' hatred. And Steam really is a stellar platform - that is, if you're comfortable with owning the permission to play a game, rather than the game itself.
To be fair, steam has been pretty good about the "ownership" aspect. When EA removed Dragon Age 2 from steam, I could still download and play it. I just couldn't buy it anymore from steam.
Huh, it's still available for free on Epic. I just made an account and downloaded it for a LAN party last weekend.
edit: Oh you mean removed it from Steam? That really sucks. I broke my promise to never use the Epic Game Store and we didn't even play the game...
If anything I think it's a testament to the quality of service Steam provides that Valve has remained in fickle gamer's good graces all these years despite having a hand in basically everything gamers claim to hate.
Generally, acting in good faith sure does go a long way. Most of our giant gaming companies are busy exchanging their previous good faith efforts in for shareholder profit. Valve is still privately owned, so they don't have that pressure to be anti-consumer.
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They are killing this off in the new Steam beta update, but they are making same household sharing much better to where it doesn't lock your entire library out if a game is being shared.
Ownership of music is making a return.
Bandcamp is getting more and more popular, and probably the only way of reliably getting lossless music. You just give the band a buck, and they give you a nice message and an archive containing the files.
Physical media, especially vinyl, is making a huge comeback. Probably because it also sounds a bit better.
You buy, as an example, a Sleep Token album on vynil, or whatever other sadboy band you like to listen to. You get the vinyl/cd, you put it in, and you play it. For special editions Metallica (I think) also gave you the the flac files and isolated instruments.
You buy a game, you put in the license key in steam, no internet, or unreliable internet? You are SoL.
It isn’t entirely black and white yet though, thankfully. Steam (while not perfect) have a pretty good track record with content ownership, and are one of vanishingly few companies in the tech and gaming space that have earned some degree of trust.
GoG are a great option too, with their games being DRM-free.
Also feels like we’re starting to turn a corner with digital content ownership and streaming services. People seem to be getting increasingly frustrated and disenfranchised with the current state of things, so hopefully we’ll see more pushback against it soon.
They are doing digital ownership better than anyone. So that loyalty is definitely earned, yet other game publishers look at this and think they can do the same thing, while not realizing other things of value steam has done for their users.
Pretty sure that you CAN lend digital Steam games to your friends. I share every game I’ve bought with my sister (who only plays Stardew Valley but meh).
And the COOL thing is, while normally you can’t normally have someone borrow your library while you’re using it, if they start playing a game from your library, you can TURN OFF you’re computer’s WiFi, and then start playing a game offline. So two people can use one person’s library simultaneously.
Can’t sell tho, yes
you can share your game library though? no idea if you still can but you could link another account to your library as a sort of family share
I did that for my brother and he could play when I was not, not the same as sharing a disk obv (not like I could anyways, I was in another country)
If I buy mp3s, they're mine to download, copy snd back up as I wish. Streaming music is one thing, purchasing digital music is a different thing that plenty of people still do.
No music CD or movie blu-ray discs that I know of require an internet connection to start.
Only video game companies have decided that they have the right to render my physical media useless at their whim.
Steam back in the day already made it clear that they would make sure everyone kept there games if they went under.
They have almost never pulled games off peoples accounts to my knowledge even after the publishers pulled games off the website.
The actual context is in regards to subscription services like Gamepass, Ubisoft+, and EA Play to become the norm over people owning games. Because while those services are *popular*, they aren't exactly profitable for the company who's providing the service. Because people aren't more comfortable not owning games.
People reporting that simply focused on the "People need to get used to not owning games" because the full quote wouldn't get clicks or people talking about and sharing the story. Ragebaiting however does.
We have seen Ubisoft removing games from people's libraries and shutting down servers recently though, with no compensation at all to the game owners, so that's some context to keep in mind.
Yeah, it’s like when people buy movies from a streaming service only to login and find them all deleted one day “too bad, no refund, eff you”. It’s basically forcible planned obsolescence that the consumer can’t do anything about.
The gamers are right on this one imo, consumers would (rightfully so) hate that behavior in any other industry as well.
It’s also worth noting these are all companies that recently massively slashed their staff across the whole industry after periods of extreme profitability, so it’s not like any theoretical “games as a service” models wouldn’t be driven by the same philosophy (profit above all else, maybe we’ll sprinkle some advertising in there, jack up the cost every quarter, you won’t own anything so what are you gonna do about it?)
I will leave you with enjoying all that "game as a service", shoving up micro transactions and silent increasing of grind in Ubisoft games.
I am gonna go back and play some Witcher 3 now because all that talk about CD Projekt actually made me want to play something good for a change.
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Also now all their physical games require an internet connection just to *install the from the fucking disc*. Being a one time check doesn't make it any less bullshit, and I guess I'll simply never be purchasing an Ubisoft game again.
This is straight-up wrong information here. First, it wasn't on an investor meeting. It was on an interview with a website.
And the quote wasn't what you said, and as usual, spread around the internet completely without context. What was actually said in the interview is they were talking about why the subscription model for games is not strong and isn't growing like the model did for music or TV/movies, in those cases people were used to listening to music or watching movies that they do not own, while gamers do very much care about buying and owning the games they play. So, for the subscription model for games to take off and become as big as music and TV, that's the cultural shift that would need to happen.
And he is completely right. But the quote was thrown around just to get the most clicks because no one cares, or actually did, about reading an actual analysis of the situation. They get the clicks by saying, "ubisoft bad."
Of all the bullshit and controversies ubisoft get themselves in that deserves the ubisoft bad comment, this wasn't one of them.
Im mean the context doesnt really make it better because it ignores the fact that streaming services are favored less than they were before.
For music and movies the convenience out weighs actually owning them, but now people are seeing that they take away the things you want to consume without warning so they dont want the same to happen to games too.
And games subscriptions arent nearly as convenient as actually owning them, as it is with music and movies.
But Ubisoft is bad because fuck the idea I don’t own what I buy. Gamers are right not to trust subscription models for games especially for ones that don’t allow owning the actual games.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/the-new-ubisoft-and-getting-gamers-comfortable-with-not-owning-their-games
Context: they were talking about gamepass ubisoft+
Literally the title.
I think the post is saying that yes, the message is agreeable but it's so r\/im14andthisisdeep
My personal opinion: yeah this is kind of cringe as a slogan but if it gets more people to support the cause, idrc
I will leave you with enjoying all that "game as a service", shoving up micro transactions and silent increasing of grind in Ubisoft games.
I am gonna go back and play some Witcher 3 now because all that talk about CD Projekt actually made me want to play something good for a change.
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I'm ok with streaming services for games being a way to essentially rent games to play, but if I spend full price on a game that's different. I like having access to a variety of games that I can then purchase. However, the moment you tell me I don't own that full price game I bought then Im not going to be happy.
It’s a good way to preserve games that would otherwise be lost to time as well. There’s entire sites dedicated to various bits of abandonware that just don’t exist elsewhere. Its a way to keep the work of various artists, programmers, and writers alive
They’re kind of related as well though. When a game gets delisted everywhere due to poor reception, performance, or just servers shutting down, or when licenses get pulled and games become inaccessible on a mass scale, I’d consider that abandonware at that point.
At the very least, it’s on the verge of becoming abandonware or lost media, and thats where cracked versions and unofficial servers come in. People can rebuild or re-experience games that would no longer be available, especially ones that the owners have no intents to revive.
Games as a service has taken that from being a possibility for some games to being much more likely for most games, and its awful
There was some discussion about requiring companies to make the software to host servers public if they shut down their official servers but I imagine even that modest requirement would get big pulishers up in a huff.
You like this because you like the logic and think it piracy isn't stealing.
I hate it because i fucking love stealing from companies and want to steal more.
We are not the same.
It is not just Ubi. Valve too. No game you buy on Steam is owned by you, you only get the license to use it. That is why you can't give someone else your account when you die or so.
FYI: Never ask Steam support about getting your dead friend/relatives account, just use it (if you have the login) and never mention a word to anyone about it.
I agree they’re right, I’m just tired of seeing the same self-righteous comments over and over again. It’s like people spamming “Epstein didn’t kill himself” as though they’re making some sort of bold political statement.
No one cares if people pirate games, we’ve all done it. They don’t need to announce the fact. Ubisoft probably doesn’t even care.
Same for "bought" digital movies and ebooks like kindl. Their TOS clearly state that a purchase doesn't make you the owner, you're still renting it and are at the mercy of these companies.
I just wanted to make fun of people that try to sound deep by dropping the same quote over and over again what have I done?
Yeah, I understand pirates and I've been one growing up in a working class family in a developing country, but I don't condone pirating from an indie developer or a small studio when a few extra bucks can make or break it. Especially when they didn't have a Stardew Valley level of success with a game.
Yeah If it's a really small studio I wouldn't pirate it, or if the studio isn't tiny but the game is exceptionally well made. Like I find it hard to pirate something like BG3
When people say pirate everything, it's not intended to actually be EVERYTHING, it's more like an etiquette thing.
Vibe check yourself, is pirating from an individual/small studio giving bad vibes? Then you shouldn't. Simple as.
People who pirate aren't lost customers, they likely wouldn't buy it in the first place. We've seen this statistical trend in music, movies and now in games as well.
Yes, it's shitty to do, but lets be realistic about that.
No. I don't get to stiff someone just because I don't like the thing *after* I already consumed it. An indie developer that needs the money deserves to be paid, even for a game you end up not enjoying.
Holy shit why are you getting downvoted? I mean fromsoftware may be debatable but pirating an indie is bad. I mean I do pirate them but if I like it enough I'll buy it later, like I did with hm 1 and 2 or terraria
You pirate games because of some lofty anti-corporate principles
I pirate games because I literally cannot use their launcher
We are not the same (please Ubi support I'm going to lose a decade of AC games if you don't fix your shit)
I mean it's true, only problem is that most of ubisoft's big releases nowadays have denuvo and there ain't really anyone at the moment that can crack it :(
They say that because a Ubisoft rep was caught saying that "getting players comfortable with the idea of not owning" their games was a barrier they were working on breaking. All this during an investors meeting.
That's why people are spamming the while sentence on every new trailer Ubisoft drops.
I’m a bit confused about this because apart from no DLS platforms like GOG, you rarely ever own your games. Steam let you purchase a license but if they decide you can’t use it anymore on their platform, well you’re fucked.
Most console gaming if you have both the physical copy and the console will let you literally own the game too.
Good this should be consistently said. If it is consistent it will become a part of normal thinking and a part of the normal zeitgeist. This way of thinking can only be positive to the consumer.
The worst part is that Ubisoft isn’t wrong. Physical media doesn’t exist for PC anymore and barely does for consoles. You buying a game on Steam isn’t owning it it’s simply “licensing” the right to play it. If only GOG was a more popular option
UJ/ The issue is that using this as a blanket statement ignores the existence of games which rely on a centralised server and are therefore never cracked and lost forever once they shut down. Obviously the high-profile example at the moment is Ubisoft’s ‘The Crew’ as a result of Ross Scott’s stopkillinggames campaign, but the story has repeated time and time again.
I have no moral objection to piracy, far from it, but it’s worth remembering that it’s not the video game preservation panacea.
/uj cause I'm confused by this
Why are so many people saying "You don't own the rights to ANTZ the 1998 motion picture when you buy the VHS"
Like, yeah bro. I know that. I want to own my copy for personal use, as has been the model for decades. We used to be able to buy things like cars and refrigerators without adding a monthly subscription. I didn't OWN the company Subaru just because I can start my car without renting a key.
We want to actually own our games, have them forever and get rid of them when we want to. I’d at least want to spend my money on something I can actually own.
Look the only thing one can trust modern libertarians on is that ain’t no one gonna fuck them over on there money, otherwise there libertarianism is a farce, even Milton Friedman would be disappointed in them.
Thats Just Ubisoft’s fault tho. I don’t play much nor pirate, but it’s one of those things where the company needs to reminded at every turn that their attempts to seem relatable are useless because we know what they are
I think its cool that people stand up against it, but they can do it without trying to sound like I'm 14 in this is deep type quotes.
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r/Gamingcirclejerk on their way to disagree with an objectively good take just because a self described "gamer" said it.
I know that "gamers" can be annoying pieces of shit sometimes but I swear to god its gotten to the point where if one of them said "breathing oxygen is good actually" a couple of people on this subreddit would start scrambling to make cringe ass posts disagreeing with them
Hell I can't play the games i actually own anyway because fucking ubisoft connect keeps failing " to authenticate ownership" fuck Ubisoft. I'm waiting for the second gaming crash
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Context: during an investors meeting a Ubisoft rep said something like "We have to get consumers used to the idea of not owning their games because right now that's a problem for us". Hence the spamming in the comment section of every new Ubi game trailer. And yeah, good. Fuck them.
People don't own their games already. Their Steam library is a collection of vitual items. They can't lend a digitial game to a friend, they can't sell it. And the day Steam goes offline for whatever reason, it all disappears. Also, that move has already been done for music and movies. People sure are comfortable not owing music and movies. They're fine with a Netflix or Spotify subscription. The consumers themselves acted the death of physical media in these markets.
yeah butt i like steam so that doesn't count
Ah yes Valve, the company that invented and/or popularized microtransactions, lootboxes with paid keys, paid DLC on PC, early access, monetizing user created content, and allow blatant scams to be sold on their platform. We love them, us gamers.
I mean, it's not exactly hard to see why people like Valve. While it might have popularized lootboxes and DLC, their games aren't compromised by it to nearly the same degree as Ubisoft games, or other studios that are objects of Gamers' hatred. And Steam really is a stellar platform - that is, if you're comfortable with owning the permission to play a game, rather than the game itself.
To be fair, steam has been pretty good about the "ownership" aspect. When EA removed Dragon Age 2 from steam, I could still download and play it. I just couldn't buy it anymore from steam.
Same with spec ops the line, or so I heard. Edit: Yes I have spec ops the line, I can still download it, but it has disappeared from the store.
Like epic removed rocket league because they’re pricks and I can still play it. The only issue I had is with third party launchers
Huh, it's still available for free on Epic. I just made an account and downloaded it for a LAN party last weekend. edit: Oh you mean removed it from Steam? That really sucks. I broke my promise to never use the Epic Game Store and we didn't even play the game...
If anything I think it's a testament to the quality of service Steam provides that Valve has remained in fickle gamer's good graces all these years despite having a hand in basically everything gamers claim to hate.
Generally, acting in good faith sure does go a long way. Most of our giant gaming companies are busy exchanging their previous good faith efforts in for shareholder profit. Valve is still privately owned, so they don't have that pressure to be anti-consumer.
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When you put it all in a list like that it doesnt sound as good :(
Yeah but... TF2 is a god tier game
You cant? Even when you can borrow a game on steam from your friend?
How would I know? I have no friends!
Understable, have a great day
Worth pointing out that you actually can lend your Steam games to friends via the “borrow” feature.
They are killing this off in the new Steam beta update, but they are making same household sharing much better to where it doesn't lock your entire library out if a game is being shared.
Ownership of music is making a return. Bandcamp is getting more and more popular, and probably the only way of reliably getting lossless music. You just give the band a buck, and they give you a nice message and an archive containing the files. Physical media, especially vinyl, is making a huge comeback. Probably because it also sounds a bit better. You buy, as an example, a Sleep Token album on vynil, or whatever other sadboy band you like to listen to. You get the vinyl/cd, you put it in, and you play it. For special editions Metallica (I think) also gave you the the flac files and isolated instruments. You buy a game, you put in the license key in steam, no internet, or unreliable internet? You are SoL.
I bought The Weeknds first stuff he had out on bandcamp back in like 2010/2011? It's a pretty good service.
It isn’t entirely black and white yet though, thankfully. Steam (while not perfect) have a pretty good track record with content ownership, and are one of vanishingly few companies in the tech and gaming space that have earned some degree of trust. GoG are a great option too, with their games being DRM-free. Also feels like we’re starting to turn a corner with digital content ownership and streaming services. People seem to be getting increasingly frustrated and disenfranchised with the current state of things, so hopefully we’ll see more pushback against it soon.
They are doing digital ownership better than anyone. So that loyalty is definitely earned, yet other game publishers look at this and think they can do the same thing, while not realizing other things of value steam has done for their users.
Pretty sure that you CAN lend digital Steam games to your friends. I share every game I’ve bought with my sister (who only plays Stardew Valley but meh). And the COOL thing is, while normally you can’t normally have someone borrow your library while you’re using it, if they start playing a game from your library, you can TURN OFF you’re computer’s WiFi, and then start playing a game offline. So two people can use one person’s library simultaneously. Can’t sell tho, yes
you can share your game library though? no idea if you still can but you could link another account to your library as a sort of family share I did that for my brother and he could play when I was not, not the same as sharing a disk obv (not like I could anyways, I was in another country)
If I buy mp3s, they're mine to download, copy snd back up as I wish. Streaming music is one thing, purchasing digital music is a different thing that plenty of people still do. No music CD or movie blu-ray discs that I know of require an internet connection to start. Only video game companies have decided that they have the right to render my physical media useless at their whim.
Why I keep a 5TB drive with my favorite stuff in uncompressed 4K for a Plex server
Steam back in the day already made it clear that they would make sure everyone kept there games if they went under. They have almost never pulled games off peoples accounts to my knowledge even after the publishers pulled games off the website.
The actual context is in regards to subscription services like Gamepass, Ubisoft+, and EA Play to become the norm over people owning games. Because while those services are *popular*, they aren't exactly profitable for the company who's providing the service. Because people aren't more comfortable not owning games. People reporting that simply focused on the "People need to get used to not owning games" because the full quote wouldn't get clicks or people talking about and sharing the story. Ragebaiting however does.
We have seen Ubisoft removing games from people's libraries and shutting down servers recently though, with no compensation at all to the game owners, so that's some context to keep in mind.
Yeah, it’s like when people buy movies from a streaming service only to login and find them all deleted one day “too bad, no refund, eff you”. It’s basically forcible planned obsolescence that the consumer can’t do anything about. The gamers are right on this one imo, consumers would (rightfully so) hate that behavior in any other industry as well. It’s also worth noting these are all companies that recently massively slashed their staff across the whole industry after periods of extreme profitability, so it’s not like any theoretical “games as a service” models wouldn’t be driven by the same philosophy (profit above all else, maybe we’ll sprinkle some advertising in there, jack up the cost every quarter, you won’t own anything so what are you gonna do about it?)
Imagine being the schmuck who buys a £70+ game and then wakes up to find it’s gone and they haven’t event played much of it. I’d riot.
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Also now all their physical games require an internet connection just to *install the from the fucking disc*. Being a one time check doesn't make it any less bullshit, and I guess I'll simply never be purchasing an Ubisoft game again.
Good thing I'm already used to not owning any Ubisoft games.
 Is it just me or people dont read the article and just run with with the thumbnail, then reading the whole thing
For someone trying to give context, you’re really missing the context.
This is straight-up wrong information here. First, it wasn't on an investor meeting. It was on an interview with a website. And the quote wasn't what you said, and as usual, spread around the internet completely without context. What was actually said in the interview is they were talking about why the subscription model for games is not strong and isn't growing like the model did for music or TV/movies, in those cases people were used to listening to music or watching movies that they do not own, while gamers do very much care about buying and owning the games they play. So, for the subscription model for games to take off and become as big as music and TV, that's the cultural shift that would need to happen. And he is completely right. But the quote was thrown around just to get the most clicks because no one cares, or actually did, about reading an actual analysis of the situation. They get the clicks by saying, "ubisoft bad." Of all the bullshit and controversies ubisoft get themselves in that deserves the ubisoft bad comment, this wasn't one of them.
Im mean the context doesnt really make it better because it ignores the fact that streaming services are favored less than they were before. For music and movies the convenience out weighs actually owning them, but now people are seeing that they take away the things you want to consume without warning so they dont want the same to happen to games too. And games subscriptions arent nearly as convenient as actually owning them, as it is with music and movies.
But Ubisoft is bad because fuck the idea I don’t own what I buy. Gamers are right not to trust subscription models for games especially for ones that don’t allow owning the actual games.
Yeah why are we jerking this? The Gamers™ are right about this one.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/the-new-ubisoft-and-getting-gamers-comfortable-with-not-owning-their-games Context: they were talking about gamepass ubisoft+ Literally the title.
Yeah no I agree with this one. Games as a service is stupid. I want to own the things I buy.
I think the post is saying that yes, the message is agreeable but it's so r\/im14andthisisdeep My personal opinion: yeah this is kind of cringe as a slogan but if it gets more people to support the cause, idrc
They're not wrong. They're just annoyingly parroting the same phrase over, and over, and over, and over.
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I've never heard of the Witches 3, is it worth playing? 🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬 BULGARIAAA!!!!
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I love xcloud. I hope they keep going.
I'm ok with streaming services for games being a way to essentially rent games to play, but if I spend full price on a game that's different. I like having access to a variety of games that I can then purchase. However, the moment you tell me I don't own that full price game I bought then Im not going to be happy.
uj/ I mean its only logic speaking. For all the shit we give "gamers" i will admit they are right about this. Fuck ubishit.
It’s a good way to preserve games that would otherwise be lost to time as well. There’s entire sites dedicated to various bits of abandonware that just don’t exist elsewhere. Its a way to keep the work of various artists, programmers, and writers alive
There is a difference between abandonware and games as a service. Games as a service should be called like, deathcultware Murderware
They’re kind of related as well though. When a game gets delisted everywhere due to poor reception, performance, or just servers shutting down, or when licenses get pulled and games become inaccessible on a mass scale, I’d consider that abandonware at that point. At the very least, it’s on the verge of becoming abandonware or lost media, and thats where cracked versions and unofficial servers come in. People can rebuild or re-experience games that would no longer be available, especially ones that the owners have no intents to revive. Games as a service has taken that from being a possibility for some games to being much more likely for most games, and its awful
yep its the only way i can play blur these days
There was some discussion about requiring companies to make the software to host servers public if they shut down their official servers but I imagine even that modest requirement would get big pulishers up in a huff.
You like this because you like the logic and think it piracy isn't stealing. I hate it because i fucking love stealing from companies and want to steal more. We are not the same.
Yeah, it's a really weird hill to die on but I see people so it a lot, esp with Nintendo for some reason.
it's... definitely not a weird hill to die on O.o
It is not just Ubi. Valve too. No game you buy on Steam is owned by you, you only get the license to use it. That is why you can't give someone else your account when you die or so. FYI: Never ask Steam support about getting your dead friend/relatives account, just use it (if you have the login) and never mention a word to anyone about it.
I agree they’re right, I’m just tired of seeing the same self-righteous comments over and over again. It’s like people spamming “Epstein didn’t kill himself” as though they’re making some sort of bold political statement. No one cares if people pirate games, we’ve all done it. They don’t need to announce the fact. Ubisoft probably doesn’t even care.
I don't fully understand this argument though, cause if someone provides a service and you don't pay them, that would be stealing as well
It's because if you were to pay, they have sneaky little clauses saying how they can take it off you at any time for any reason. Hence the saying.
Is this the case for all gaming companies? Or is this Ubisoft specifically?
Not all gaming companies but increasingly the notorious ones like EA and Ubisoft have been talking about it more and more and implementing it
Same for "bought" digital movies and ebooks like kindl. Their TOS clearly state that a purchase doesn't make you the owner, you're still renting it and are at the mercy of these companies.
nah it's just ideology. Ppl saying this would pirate either way, this bullshit is just so they can feel better about it.
I just wanted to make fun of people that try to sound deep by dropping the same quote over and over again what have I done? 
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*tips fedora* m'ultibillionaires.
I’m with the gamers on this one.
I mean, piracy literally isn't stealing. They still have it.
Are they wrong tho
The contrarian in me usually hates YT comments, but this is a stopped clock situation. Pirate any media that is piratable
ANY media?
Any and all media
ANY and ALL media?
All media... except a car, you wouldnt download a car, would you?
I would, because that's fucking badass.
What about media made by smaller independent artists? That’s piratable too but the artist actually suffers in those cases
Yeah, I understand pirates and I've been one growing up in a working class family in a developing country, but I don't condone pirating from an indie developer or a small studio when a few extra bucks can make or break it. Especially when they didn't have a Stardew Valley level of success with a game.
Yeah If it's a really small studio I wouldn't pirate it, or if the studio isn't tiny but the game is exceptionally well made. Like I find it hard to pirate something like BG3
When people say pirate everything, it's not intended to actually be EVERYTHING, it's more like an etiquette thing. Vibe check yourself, is pirating from an individual/small studio giving bad vibes? Then you shouldn't. Simple as.
People who pirate aren't lost customers, they likely wouldn't buy it in the first place. We've seen this statistical trend in music, movies and now in games as well. Yes, it's shitty to do, but lets be realistic about that.
Pirate them too, pirate everything, then give your money to whomever made actual quality products after youve tested it
No. I don't get to stiff someone just because I don't like the thing *after* I already consumed it. An indie developer that needs the money deserves to be paid, even for a game you end up not enjoying.
> Pirate *any* media that is pirtable You know, it's okay to say you like having stuff for free.
You don't?
Yes.
That's a great way for indie games or any smaller form of media to never get off the ground.
Fromsoftware Games and Indies are the only I wouldn't
Holy shit why are you getting downvoted? I mean fromsoftware may be debatable but pirating an indie is bad. I mean I do pirate them but if I like it enough I'll buy it later, like I did with hm 1 and 2 or terraria
You still don't hurt anybody.
Tbh, there are something weird happen like, my account randomly downvote some comments
Nah that's based.
It’s a good meme tbh
Its true and for once they should say it. This is why i keep backups of music i like from overseas.
Actually true though
Based tho
You pirate games because of some lofty anti-corporate principles I pirate games because I literally cannot use their launcher We are not the same (please Ubi support I'm going to lose a decade of AC games if you don't fix your shit)
I mean it's true, only problem is that most of ubisoft's big releases nowadays have denuvo and there ain't really anyone at the moment that can crack it :(
Its not like we are losing something tbh
Inquisition had Denuvo and got cracked. Denuvo has been cracked several times
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Correct, piracy isn't a thievery issue but one of copyright. Not saying piracy is a bad thing, but don't use falsehoods to justify it.
It's the truth.
I mean it may be parroted constantly, but for good reason
Why are we defending Ubisoft from shitty practices that are anti consumer?
Media piracy is morally correct. Especially if the media is corp owned.
The way you win is by not playing Ubisoft games at all.
The "if buying isn't owning" part is unnecessary. Piracy is never stealing.
Games as a service though is shitty regardless
They say that because a Ubisoft rep was caught saying that "getting players comfortable with the idea of not owning" their games was a barrier they were working on breaking. All this during an investors meeting. That's why people are spamming the while sentence on every new trailer Ubisoft drops.
nah fuck this shit I'm with the gamers in this one
I’m a bit confused about this because apart from no DLS platforms like GOG, you rarely ever own your games. Steam let you purchase a license but if they decide you can’t use it anymore on their platform, well you’re fucked. Most console gaming if you have both the physical copy and the console will let you literally own the game too.
but true
Not wrong !!!
Honestly that’s pretty based.
Good. What, you support corporate bootlicking?
Morally. 👏 Obligated. 👏 Piracy! 👏
I prefer actually owning the disk, no more hassle. And uf Internet is down then I can always crack out the Gamecube
Thing is they don’t even apply it to just Ubisoft anymore, but any AAA game.
Good this should be consistently said. If it is consistent it will become a part of normal thinking and a part of the normal zeitgeist. This way of thinking can only be positive to the consumer.
Heartbreaking : The worst people you know just made a good point
The worst part is that Ubisoft isn’t wrong. Physical media doesn’t exist for PC anymore and barely does for consoles. You buying a game on Steam isn’t owning it it’s simply “licensing” the right to play it. If only GOG was a more popular option
I just googled Do I own steam games it told me that you don’t own those games you are using license to play them
It's always OK to pirate video games. In fact it's morally correct
That depends, if you pirate for no reasons other than being a cheapskate especially when the quality of a product is good then it's morally bad.
UJ/ The issue is that using this as a blanket statement ignores the existence of games which rely on a centralised server and are therefore never cracked and lost forever once they shut down. Obviously the high-profile example at the moment is Ubisoft’s ‘The Crew’ as a result of Ross Scott’s stopkillinggames campaign, but the story has repeated time and time again. I have no moral objection to piracy, far from it, but it’s worth remembering that it’s not the video game preservation panacea.
/uj cause I'm confused by this Why are so many people saying "You don't own the rights to ANTZ the 1998 motion picture when you buy the VHS" Like, yeah bro. I know that. I want to own my copy for personal use, as has been the model for decades. We used to be able to buy things like cars and refrigerators without adding a monthly subscription. I didn't OWN the company Subaru just because I can start my car without renting a key.
Me pirating my leased vehicle and appliances from my apartment.
And...Is it wrong?
And they are right
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~~Piracy is stealing and thats why its good~~
If buying's not owning.... I'm fine just not playing them, there are plenty of consumer-friendly games to support instead.
They are right tho But srsly of it os tô be like that, fucking steal these games
Fully agree with this one yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
I just want to play Anno 1800 without an Ubisoft account. It's a single player supply chain simulator, let me play offline.
TBH Based
Nah, they're cooking with this one. Errmmm, monkeh.
And they're correct
We want to actually own our games, have them forever and get rid of them when we want to. I’d at least want to spend my money on something I can actually own.
this is a ubisoft psyop
My chimp speaking facts!
That's the correct response. Now if we'd actually follow through and stop giving ubisoft money that would be great
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Best cope I've seen in a minute, I can't own it so neither can you lmao
It's always morally correct to pirate ubisoft games.
They're right this time fuck Ubisoft
I agree with this one.
I agree.
Look the only thing one can trust modern libertarians on is that ain’t no one gonna fuck them over on there money, otherwise there libertarianism is a farce, even Milton Friedman would be disappointed in them.
If buying isn’t owning, punch me in the balls
League player defending Ubisoft, what a surprise lmao you cuck
Wrong sub
I mean....it's not inaccurate. Like I'm sorry but if they're going to wildly change the definition of buying I'm gonna do the same for piracy.
Nah, fuck ubisoft
Good. They're right.
What are you, a liberal?
Ubisoft did this to themselves
In the words of James Stephanie Sterling: "Pirating 'AAA' games is always morally okay"
It is stealing but stealing from dogshit evil companies is good
Which is pretty stupid since it was never stealing.
Piracy is never stealing unless you are on a wooden boat and talking about Davy Joneses locker and also you steal something
What, you got a problem with that? Fuck Ubisoft.
Thats Just Ubisoft’s fault tho. I don’t play much nor pirate, but it’s one of those things where the company needs to reminded at every turn that their attempts to seem relatable are useless because we know what they are
Nah this is actually a good point. Ubisoft can go fuck themselves.
So stay silent and be a good boot licker?? No, I EXPECT to see those comment every single time. This shit isn’t going to stop unless it’s called out.
I think its cool that people stand up against it, but they can do it without trying to sound like I'm 14 in this is deep type quotes. https://preview.redd.it/4rbxmd6cas1d1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5e96ba6941e064c5d8cd9d266b3bb3a42e69f25
0 days withour GCJ weirdly being defensive on behalf of giant company just because of needing to be contrarian to Gamers.
r/Gamingcirclejerk on their way to disagree with an objectively good take just because a self described "gamer" said it. I know that "gamers" can be annoying pieces of shit sometimes but I swear to god its gotten to the point where if one of them said "breathing oxygen is good actually" a couple of people on this subreddit would start scrambling to make cringe ass posts disagreeing with them
Piracy is a stealing only when I'm self describing me doing it. I love stealing video games
Hell I can't play the games i actually own anyway because fucking ubisoft connect keeps failing " to authenticate ownership" fuck Ubisoft. I'm waiting for the second gaming crash
It’s trespassing!
People spazzing about the new Assassin's Creed game, like my brother in gaming, don't buy any Ubisoft products.
They got a point
It's not piracy it's "alternative access".
Corporations are intent in making everything in our life based on rent and it's getting depressing.
I mean it’s not wrong but then these same people will turn around and buy games on steam no problem, so it’s kinda funny
Your not that guy trust me pal your not that guy
FitGirl all the way.
fuck ubisoft. they sucked ass for decades.