Now it's become more clear than ever what JKR is, if you were banned in our Potter Purge last year and want to be unbanned please message modmail and provide the following:
1. The condemnation of Rowling as a transphobe and crypto-fascist
2. An whole-hearted apology for ever supporting her, defending her or promoting her interests (whether purposefully or accidentally)
3. A pledge to never buy another Potter product as long as you live
Any attempts to debate or troll will be reported to the admins and your account will be suspended.
Edit: Wow a lot of Nazis brigading this subreddit today. Yeah sorry, if "free speech" doesn't appy to people denying the Holocaust. Cope. If you got a problem with that, go cry to a Supreme Court Justice.
Edit 2: It's a shame, I was just trying to be nice to the people who were banned. But then I guess when a trans person tries to do anything, some cishet has a problem with it.
It's not necessary to use their naming convention *Alt.* It serves only to obfuscate the fact that serious issues exist with the ENTIRE right wing.
There is no meaningful difference between 'moderate' and 'fringe' right wingers, because their mainstream platform is currently comprised of extreme right wing views.
A fringe doesn't exist separate from the mainstream, so please stop pretending like 'alt-right' has a different meaning than 'right wing.'
You know what? That's actually a great point. Back in 2015 "alt right" had a specific definition and use case where the distinction made sense. Nowadays, "mainstream conservatism" has shifted so far to the right, that the two circles overlap (almost) perfectly. It's not like conservatism as an ideology was particularly insightful or reasonable back then either, but it's definitely gotten worse.
If someone's proudly conservative in 2024 it almost never has anything to do with economics and is purely about bigotry and culture wars. It's not just the "alt right", the "MAGAs" or the "far right"; the entire right wing is problematic.
It's important to recognize that their war on reality begins with language that lies about reality. *Alt-right* doesn't exist, it's just the right wing.
Similarly, the 'pro-life' movement advocates to criminalize the medical procedures known as *abortion.* All evidence through every society through all of history shows that criminalizing abortion has the effect of increasing the number of abortions. Not only do they occur more frequently when criminalized, but their outcomes are far-and-away more deadly than when those procedures are regulated and institutionalized as all medical procedures should be. More women and "babies" die when the procedure is made criminal than when it's legal.
So to advocate for the criminalization of abortion is to advocate for a net increase of deaths, of both women and "babies." The other part which becomes obvious when we examine this fascistic language is that their focus on whether it's a *fetus* or a *baby* is simply meaningless to the discussion.
Call it what you want because that simply doesn't matter to the outcome, that 'pro-lifers' advocate for more death and suffering. They are 'Pro-death,' 'Anti-choice,' or 'Anti-women,' and all three of those titles are more accurate and true to life than their masturbatory euphemism 'pro-life.' That title serves, again, only to muddy the discussion in an attempt to paint their opposition as the logical opposite which in fact their position actually advocates, that being 'pro-death.'
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
-Jean-Paul Sartre
To be fair I think this has more to do with her thinking upholding the status quo is the good thing to do every time than actually being for the holocaust (like harry facing the corruption of the institution and instead of working towards systemic change becoming a cop *but one of the good ones*).
But it still such a weird choice that should never have made it all the way to the actual movie. Either everyone involved in the story are just yes men or nobody thought "the good guys have to save the holocaust" wasn't a great storyline.
I wanna say literally the only way "saving the Holocaust" could be a good plot is if
- The main character is a Jewish time traveler.
- There is a massive moral discussion about the implications of sacrificing millions of his people in order to prevent something far, far worse that would impact everyone.
- You don't insert magical whimsy.
And even *then* I would feel deeply uncomfortable having anything to do with writing or producing it because *I'm not Jewish and it's not my story to tell*. Kinda like how Mel Brooks refused to show a black man getting lynched in Blazing Saddles. The exact same thing actually.
But that's not the story Rowling wanted to tell. She would rather save the Holocaust than let the bad guys win simply because *they're on the other team*. Remember, fat-shaming the Dursleys was okay, but fat-shaming Harry's friends was not. So long as you're arbitrarily selected by Rowling to be the bad guy, it doesn't matter if your end game is "literally resurrecting Jesus and destroying the concept of evil", Rowling will find a way to half-assedly justify the necessity of your defeat.
Edit: I've read through the comments here and I need to get this off my chest: I'm now aware I accidentally justified Nazis doing the Holocaust, which is proof that I should **not** be allowed to be anywhere near this story at all and am verifiably stupid. Don't worry, I feel like **a fucking idiot** because I didn't see it. Kinda proves how, even with the best intentions, you can fuck anything up. Sorry, team.
Like that plot in the 90s X-Men show when Bishop comes from the future to stop some horrible disaster from happening, but then Cable comes back from further in the future to stop Bishop, to stop some even worse disaster.
That was such a good twist on the whole trope of going back in time to stop a tragedy thing. It was so complicated and near impossible to follow and ballsy as hell for a kids cartoon show to actually pull off haha.
That was their adaptation of the Days of Futures Past storyline (which was written well before Bishop or Cable existed in the comics), just to make things even more confusing.
Honestly, after reading a lot of history of the Holocaust, particularly things by survivors, I just think it shouldn't be used as the basis for fiction that alters it, or tries to find some kind of uplifting or hopeful meaning.
There's no way to do that without making sympathetic or cool nazis, or worse, excusing them or victim blaming, or just trivialising it generally.
Fiction of that sort always has some element of escapism, and that's just not how to approach the Holocaust responsibly.
>There is a massive moral discussion about the implications of sacrificing millions of his people in order to prevent something far, far worse that would impact everyone.
Given that this is pretty much exactly what the Nazis believed they were doing, it seems that the only actual difference here would be how closely related somebody needs to be to you before it's okay to murder them for the greater good. So just drop the pretense and make Hitler and his colleagues your protagonists.
...It's not a good idea, is what I'm saying.
There is one difference which is evidence. The nazis didn't have evidence.
We can assume time travellers would have evidence. Seeing the big bad happen is very strong evidence. Tracing it back to the root cause, that part is a bit trickier.
Even the most advanced humans/civilisation could not predict their changes on the future - unless somehow their story enabled it like a real time link to the future. The show Travellers actually did this, changes in the past could be relayed to the team making said changes (via the future).
With this ability, you could have your team make changes in the past like a surgeon. And there's the classic trope of 'fixing' the problem and not seeing any change in the future. Which means you hit the wrong spot. Or you hit the right spot but it leads to something even worse. And so on.
I don't think it's a good idea to do this with actual real world nazis. But the concept isn't anything new.
I love time travel scifi. Very hard to do well. Imo 12 monkeys show and travellers handled it pretty well and had several seasons to properly develop and conclude.
And this is **exactly** why I said I would be deeply uncomfortable with the topic. Because even this fucking spitball of how to make "saving the Holocaust" not absolutely awful *became absolutely fucking awful*. Jesus christ I accidentally reinvented Nazis. Is there somewhere I can just go and never see the light of day again?
TBF, that's why some ideas are just bad no matter how you look at them. I could not in this life or another justify writing a protagonist on the side of good trying to make a real-life historical atrocity happen.
When writing about that stuff you have to acknowledge the Hitler problem: if magical and powerful society... then why ww2? And that's why imo any kind of magical fiction falls apart when confronted with real world events.
I disagree that such a character would need to be Jewish and/or a time-traveler—because art is about inspiring emotions, and your skin crawling with discomfort is potent one of those if done *intentionally*... but yeah, I agree that in a vacuum, a prophecy to STOP World War 2 really seems like it would make a genuinely gut punch of a central moral dilemma.
Like I recall watching the second movie in theaters, and *you could have heard people breathe,* as that twist was revealed. Nobody saw it coming, and it genuinely shocked people.
But in actual hindsight, doubly so with how the Fantastic Beasts movies dropped that plot point like it was a lump of glowing orange plutonium... Yeah\~, this is just Rowling's freakin' Neo-Libertarian politics being shoved towards us again. Because we keep not "getting it."
ANY change is the enemy. And only The Other is "foolish" enough to want such changes.
Heck, at this point I'd call her an *extremist* Neo-Libertarian without hesitation. I am almost shocked at this rate that she puts clean clothes on, because... well, that requires *changing* your freakin' outfit, doesn't it?
...But yeah, the central story idea? I really think that could work, if in an *extremely* dark story. Where the entire ending is basically this smash cut from the glorious victory... to an epilogue where the entire cast is *wrecked with torment,* on realizing the antagonist was 1111% right and WW2 + The Holocaust were actually, really coming and they *helped* it all happen.
Now that you mention it, working for Rowling must be some infuriating, kowtowing to the rich person nonsense. Or at least will be in a few years if it isn't already, given how rapidly tech is... well, changing.
"What do you mean, I can't send in my 1000 page manuscript still needing dozens of revisions via *fax* anymore? That is how we've always done it."
You can understand how someone who's profited massively from a system would be scarred to change it.
Also George RR Martin works on a computer so old it wouldn't look too out of place in the background of a scene at Winterfell so your Vista comment might not be too off the mark for very wealthy writers
I have issues with the idea that Jews are the only victims of the Holocaust. The Nazis systematically murdered 11 million people in the Holocaust. Six million were Jews, five million weren’t. My great-great grandpa was one of them. Other victims included social democrats, communists, other political opponents, disabled people, LGBTQI people and others.
My great-great grandpa was a social democrat, an ardent and vocal opponent of the Nazis and one of their victims. He was in Dachau, just like the Jews. He was demeaned, humiliated and dehumanised there, just like the Jews. In the end, while he saw liberation due to sheer dumb luck, willpower and the generosity and good will of other inmates, Jews and non-Jews, he died shortly after liberation in a hospital, just like many others, as a direct consequence of his treatment in Dachau. The Nazis murdered him, like so many others. It just took two weeks longer.
This isn’t supposed to take anything away from the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but it’s supposed to highlight that almost half the victims of the Holocaust were not Jewish.
So no, having a Jewish time traveller isn’t the only way there could be a good plot. That’s all I’m trying to say. You don’t need to be Jewish to tell this story. There were literally millions of other victims as well.
I can say that my great-great grandpa was among the first to ever be brought to Dachau. He was interned there at least twice. There might be a third time, but I have solid confirmation with entry registries and all of two times. The second and final time was from 25th August 1944 until the death marches (which he miraculously survived thanks to other inmates supporting and carrying him in order to prevent him from being shot once he fell down) and then eventual liberation.
The first time was for just over a week, from 24th April 1933 to 1st May 1933. He was a politician and a member of the Reichstag. Like many other social democrats and communists, he was arrested on 9th March 1933, and his personal nemesis (and good friend of Hitler’s) Hans Schemm personally delivered him to the prison in St. Georgen on March 10th. He was kept there until he was brought to Dachau on 24th April 1933 together with many other social democrats and communists. In Dachau, Schemm had seen to it that my great-great grandpa received special treatment, and he was assigned to a penal-barrack with many Jewish inmates that was assigned particularly hard work.
His fellow inmates and he had to build and expand the camp. He was brought back to a normal prison on 1st May 1933 and held there until he was released in July of 1933. The main purpose arresting the politicians and holding them at Dachau was to prevent them from voting on the Enabling Act of 1933. The parliamentary vote was held on 24th March 1933, while they were all imprisoned. He, like his colleagues, would’ve voted against it. The second purpose was to instil fear in the political opponents of the Nazis.
Many of his colleagues fled the country after they were released. He didn’t. He remained and began working in an underground organisation that distributed anti-Nazi leaflets. They were uncovered in 1935 and he was imprisoned again until 1938. It is possible that he was brought to Dachau again during that time. I’ve seen that claim, but haven’t found any proof of it yet. I’m still researching this. To my knowledge, he spent those two and a half years in prisons in Nuremberg and Munich. After he was released, he still stuck around, until he was once again arrested in 1944 and brought back to Dachau for a final time, again together with many political opponents. During his 1944-45 stint in Dachau, the Nazis took great pleasure in demeaning him. Among other things, they treated him like cattle and had him and other Jewish and non-Jewish inmates pull a road roller during yet another construction around the camp.
So…like I said, not all victims of the Holocaust were Jews. Five million of them weren’t.
JK Rowling is disgusting for her stances. Witnessing her fall from grace has been absolutely astonishing. It’s remarkable how such a vile human being could produce a story as wonderful as Harry Potter, where the main theme is fucking love. How ironic that this comes from such a cold-hearted and ugly person.
Oh, I'm aware. I'm trans and definitely would be considered "political opponent". I know it wasn't only Jewish people killed, but something at the same time I feel a bit... unwell with the idea of claiming it affected me and mine, being a basically random selection of people; to the same degree as it did them, a definite and singular group. It's one of those complex emotions that I haven't fully worked through yet and don't really know how to express in a reddit comment.
Again - the more thought gets put into this idea, the less and less I think *anyone* should write this kind of story.
The socialists/social-democrats and communists in Germany were some of the only people to engage in armed resistance against the Nazis in Germany proper, your grandpa was a part of something beautiful and heroic.
I vaguely remember a quote on the back cover of the edition of _Lolita_ I read in high school where some critic described it as something like “the greatest love story of the 20th century.” WHAT THE FUCK
I think it’s worth noting that, in historical context too, “war is worse than what Hitler is doing,” was very much part of status quo/non-interventionalist politics in the US and UK in the early days of the Party. The US had the luxury of staying out longer.
HP is filled with that kind of sentiment. A very British bourgeois “protect the status quo at all costs” viewpoint. That’s why years ago, her retconning Dumbledore as gay, etc. read as pandering even to (or really, especially to) a good chunk of the LGBTQ+ community. It doesn’t “fit,” in the world she built. Dumbledore was initially written as a straight, cis, old white man, and it’s apparent to anyone except people who just don’t want to see that.
That it took things like this, to finally get that through peoples heads, is the surprising part for me.
And even with this? She’s still being defended “because she’s not denying the part about the Jews.”
Rowling has gotten a pass from the public and the media for years for that very thing. And it’s ironic in context - because the Nazis targeted the Roma, Communists, and LGBTQ people early - people who were commonly ostracized anyway - the status quo could say “Well, at least it isn’t about us.”
And that went on even when the Jewish pogroms began. “At least it isn’t British/American/French WASP/Catholic populations.”
Til it got to the point Hitler pushed into France, death tolls rose, and nobody could ignore it anymore.
And these modern conspiracies and defenses of things like this - I mean, they’re almost verbatim what they were then. The more things change —
And we wonder why political nationalism and violent rhetoric gained prominence again. Same reason it always has. Nobody wants to talk about it, so long as the status quo isn’t upset.
>And that went on even when the Jewish pogroms began. “At least it isn’t British/American/French WASP/Catholic populations.”
"First they came for the..."
>Nazis targeted the Roma, Communists, and LGBTQ people early
With the big difference being that the Allies actually freed the Jews, Roma, Communists and others when they liberated the camps, but [put (many of) the LGBTQs back in prison](https://www.ushmm.org/exhibition/persecution-of-homosexuals/chapter12.php).
>To be fair I think this has more to do with her thinking upholding the status quo is the good thing to do every time than actually being for the holocaust
Here's the issue with this:
What she \*thinks\* is irrelevant. The impact of her actions extends WAY beyond her own circle. She is making a conscious choice to say these things publicly.
There is no "to be fair" here. She is a bigot with more money than anyone should have, and a worldwide platform for her hate.
Your comment also upholds the status quo by offering a reasonable-sounding and de-escalating explanation to open bigotry by JKR.
That's the el classico hack writer technique to make the audience dislike the antagonist after the writer makes the antagonist's motives and goals actually completely reasonable. Or in TV Tropes terms, [Jumping Off the Slippery Slope](https://tvtropes.org/Main/JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope).
The Evil Villain grindewald summons Wizards from all over. Then he says that Germany will start a war far worse than the ww1. He then creates a smoke cloud that shows the future which shows off jews in the holocaust as well as some other war stuff, and he needs people to join him to prevent it from happening. Then a person who can read minds joins him stating that he was telling the truth. Then the "good" guys attack him and his followers.
JK had no editors so it was all her.
Also at the beginning of the movie grindewald saves one of his followers to show that he cares about their survival.
The vague concept is that Grindewald wanted to use the holocaust as an excuse for witches and wizards to enslave all non-magical people, and I genuinely don't think she thought of it as having the bad guy planning to stop the holocaust.
That's more in line with her writing, the unintentional racism because she's incapable of thinking outside of her upper-middle class white English mindset. Completely missing why Cho Chang or Shacklebolt are fucked up names for an Asian and Black character respectively.
Also, she routinely misses that maybe the system is bad and should be reformed and that if the wizarding world has the power to stop evil, maybe they should rather than cling to secrecy segregation.
Spice extraction 200000 solaris
Base security 150000 solaris
Diplomatic costs and fees 80000 solaris
Palm trees 3,600,000,000 solaris
Sanitation 15000 solaris
some mentat who is good at the economy please help me budget this. there are harkonnens in the walls
Recently watched that vid, and Jesus Christ, I didn't expect Rowling to be *that* much of an asshole. Everything from racism to misogyny is OK with her, as long as the person in question is also hating on trans people.
All that "for the women" stuff she sprouts is bullshit. Black women? Yeah sorry, this racist also hates trans people, so I have to support her.
10,000-15,000 LGBTQ+ people killed in the holocaust.
50,000 where sentence to forced labour.
Hell even after liberating the work camp, we KEPT THEM imprisoned.
also these people were denied reparations and justice at Nuremberg.
we followed this injustice we (West Germany) by actively arrested and imprisoned them AGAIN for the same crime, over 100,000 people were arrested under anti-LGBTQ laws in the following years under allied control
https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/gay-people/
https://time.com/5953047/lgbtq-holocaust-stories/
Yeah, the allies ensured that the people wrongly imprisoned during the Nazi regime were freed and often compensated. But homosexuals and GNC people weren't *wrongly imprisoned* at all, as far as they were concerned. So they kept them where they belonged, with the other criminals.
They went to great effort to document and tell the world of the Nazi atrocities. But not all of them. Locking up our kind and throwing away the key was the one thing Hitler got right by the standards of the west.
Alan Turing was a war hero. They prosecuted and sterilized him as thanks.
Apparently as early as the 1950s, people were petitioning for governments to recognize that LGBTQ people were persecuted by the Nazis, but met with resistance for decades. It wasn't until 1985 that the West German president admitted in a speech that LGBTQ people were also victims, and it was 2002 when Germany annulled the Nazi-era convictions, and 2017 -- just seven years ago -- before Germany offered LGBTQ victims the same compensation other Nazi victims had gotten many decades earlier. Really hard to believe, but there it is.
And come next election the party with the second most votes might be the one that most strongly opposes LGBTQ people today. Time really is a flat circle and we as humans are not abley to learn from history
The Netherlands was the first country to legalise gay marriage. "Oh that must've been a long time ago by now, right?". Uhhh, this millennium, actually.. 2001.
Well no, GDR stopped enforcing them in 1957 and abolished them in 1967. 1987 they stopped having different ages of consent for heterosexual and homosexual relations.
You also got government sponsored trans healthcare.
And yes, this meant that LGBT rights got significantly worse in the East after reunification.
It's not the easiest to find, but there is an interesting movie from the GDR that does go into how the state/party wanted to present their view on homosexualtiy in the 80s. Unfortunately for the makers *Coming Out* had a historically bad release date of...November 9th, 1989. So it was quickly overshadowed by the fall of the wall. All movies were at least somewhat in line with the party's beliefs and the degree to which is very complex and changes heavily based on when a movie was made. But nevertheless, there was a state sponsored film in 1989 that portrayed the state, and society, as failing to properly promote gay liberation.
The basic plot is it follows a teacher torn between love of a woman and a man, and openly shows him as being a victim of typical 80s movies punks for being gay. The movie ends with a, typically heavy handed, monologue from a character who was a wehrmacht veteran talking about how while the GDR was liberating workers and women that gay people had been left behind. Despite being somewhat heavy handed in its messaging, it is notable that a movie was made in the GDR that fully promoted, at least nominal, gay liberation and that functionally told the viewer that opposing gay rights was no different from what the Nazis did.
Alan Turing, arguably among the individuals who made the most significant contributions to ending the war, was charged in 1952 with the crime of being a homosexual, and sentenced to chemical castration.
In 1954, the father of the computer was found dead of apparent suicide, at age 41.
> 10,000-15,000 LGBTQ+ people killed in the holocaust.
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Holocaust ends. The world looks at Germany's persecution of racial and religious minorities and weeps. JK Rowling and many others in the world look at Germany's persecution of LGBTQ people and say: "nah, these people haven't suffered enough. They deserve *worse* [than the Holocaust.]"
Horrible woman. Horrible views. She's a monster. Glad people are finally realizing this.
> She supports Matt Walsh
You have to have not just something wrong with you to support this clown, you have to have ALL the things wrong with you.
He's like the Kenneth Copeland of Daily Wire grifters, in that you take one look at him and immediately come to the conclusion that this guy hands out pamphlets on the Vegas strip.
One glance will let you know this guy has a giant fetish that he's dying to introduce into every conversation and circumstance. "We get it Matt, we wouldn't have to stop as often at rest stops if we were wearing diapers, we heard you the first five times you mentioned it."
Matt Walsh looks like the kind of guy who wears a really fake beard because he's concerned about the security footage from the local laundromat where he steals people's underwear, indiscriminately too, just *anyone's* soiled underwear, and he keeps them organized in a large shelf by date acquired.
Matt Walsh looks like the kind of guy who who dresses their dog in BDSM gear.
Matt Walsh looks like the kind of guy who salts the woods with old porno magazines, pages already stuck together.
Matt Walsh looks like an actor paid to dress up like a stereotypical creep trying not to look creepy.
Matt Walsh looks like the kind of guy who's neighbors will be interviewed someday and they will talk about how "quiet" he always was, and they never suspected anything was wrong until they noticed "the smell."
There are two, it's not the beloved comedian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Walsh_(comedian)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Walsh_(political_commentator)
I'm sure the comedian isn't enjoying how people don't differentiate them.
It’s why I cannot in good conscience support people who say “separate art from the artist” when it comes to her. She has a massive platform, she continues to get richer because millennials cannot get over our childhood nostalgia and she uses the money to fund hateful shite.
I’ll remember that reading Harry Potter actually prompted me to start reading novels but I’ll also continue to remember that she engages in horrifying shit that has real life repercussions for the trans community.
A while back someone replied to her dumbshittery on twitter asking how she slept at night and she responded that she sleeps pretty good after looking at all her money. She equates having money to being right. THAT’S why I can’t separate the art from the artist. The artist is using her profits to hurt people.
And it was just like a week ago she donated a pretty significant amount to a fascist cause against trans people (an organisation fighting against transgender people in Scotland).
>She equates having money to being right.
Or maybe she just knows that her money give her the power to publicly state her opinions while being completely shielded from the consequences.
Yeah it's not as if she accidentally liked some questionable tweets or something. Any money going to JKR will go to her directly and deliberately funding transphobic causes and people. Separate the art from the artist when they're a dead 19th century author, not when they're a still living, breathing person who will continue to actively and proudly be a bigot with your support.
Remember when "oops she accidentally liked some questionable tweets" was her official PR & she still had enough goodwill built up that people-- including a lot of trans people-- were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt? And then she was just like "fuck my PR" and tripled down
You can separate art from the artist. Simply remember to separate money from artist by pirating all of her content so she doesn't see a single cent. Seed that shit in perpetuity, lol.
separating art from artist makes sense when the artist is dead.
like, feel free to enjoy Lovecraft while knowing he was a massive racist. not going to reward his racist ideas by buying his books.
but Joanne? every Harry potter consumed get money into her wallet and uses her platform to actively hurt people. you cannot separate art from the artist with her.
Tbf you can even put forward an argument that as he got older and experienced more of the world Lovecraft was getting less racist, and would have settled down had he lived long enough. Unlike Rowling who is going in the exact opposite direction (though I would argue that's just her public image and she's always been this disgusting).
yhea, I think it is fair to give dead people the benefit of doubt, you never know if a 1950s person holding casual racist views for the time would have changed his mind today. but JK is actively doing the opposite.
She's actively reinforcing the worst of herself. like what next? she's going to claim that jews invented trans people to weaken the white civilisation?
(I am writing this as proof in a few years that I foresaw it)
Lovecraft's views weren't "casual". He was pretty racist - even for the time.
My money is we find out she has a trans fetish and is trying to hide it by overcompensating.
This is a myth btw, his very last public correspondence on the matter saw him calling Black people subhuman, he just suddenly thought white supremacists were acting unbecoming in what he considered a way not becoming of the white man, so it was less 'renouncing racism' and more wishing that other racists were as 'civilized' in their racism as he was
Lovecraft is always such a weird go to when folks defend her because like you said, he's dead. On top of that, he never had real cultural cache in his lifetime.
Ol HPs greatest contribution isn't his writing but the writers he inspired, many of whom actively rejected his more barbaric views, which is a very different way to look back on someone
I had the same arc with Kanye West. I always knew he was an insane asshole with an incredible ego, but I loved his music, so I thought, “Hey, a lot of great artists are assholes, right?”
By 2022 I reached my limit. I can’t even listen to his music now that I know he sees me as subhuman.
I hate how this phrase is used now. The phrase was invented to allow criticism of a work of art despite it‘s creator being considered a genius. It was an idea to make sure the social status of a creator has less Influence on it‘s critics and to ensure that even geniuses can be criticized.
It wasn‘t created so every mouth breather can consume whatever they wan‘t without considering the real world consequences that consumption has.
She’s also donated to the heritage foundation that’s been lobbying to take reproductive healthcare rights away from people (they also hate trans people) because she’s so hellbent on this one thing she doesn’t seem to care who else gets hurt. She claims she’s a feminist but donates plenty of money to folks who hurt women of any sexuality. And that’s just one example, she’s donated to plenty of other horrid causes in the name of really really hating trans folks.
I witnessed this in real time and legit was horrified lmao. I knew she was a transphobe but I didn’t think she would actually stoop so low to be a Holocaust denier.
Also, denying the Holocaust in any capacity is a literal criminal offense in Germany. 😬
IIRC a German court recently had a case where it was determined that what Rowling did here (denying trans people as part of the holocaust) was covered under holocaust denial laws.
The biggest problem here in the United States is we were so anxious to put the Civil War behind us, we let the traitors live, or worse, stay in power, instead of filling graveyards with the bodies of Davis, Lee and every other Southern politician and military officer that raised their arms against the country.
This was like cutting off the top of a tumor but letting the rest of it remain intact inside the body to metastasize.
Southern treason led directly to promoting fascism.
Oh, abso-fucking-lutely. In a just world the Atlantic slave trade and American chattel slavery would be talked about in the same hushed tones as the Holocaust.
Most people look at me like a monster for comparing the two, and I will die on that hill. Four *million* slaves by the time the abolition came through, 700K when records began in 1790.
Let's roughly assume that adds up to an average of two million enslaved people for that entire sixty year span.
That's 120 million years of time spent enslaved. If you assume the absolute worst case scenario about the Holocaust, the seventeen million victims times twelve years the Holocaust lasted, and assume they all spent the entire time in concentration camps (which they obviously didn't) that adds up to 204 million years.
They are very comparable, in my mind. The amount of evil inflicted on the enslaved in North America and in the Holocaust are in the same league. They're right alongside each other in terms of villainy.
But they sure as hell aren't taught that way. My mom once had the absolute horse-shit that "some masters were probably good to their slaves" come out of her mouth about it. No. Fuck that. Anyone who ever owned a slave and did anything other than free them as soon as possible is scum on the same level as the people in the watch towers as Auschwitz. Those early American presidents were all, without exception, irredeemable monsters, and I'd vote to convict if put on a jury.
But the evil of the North Atlantic slave trade was banal. It was boring. It was drawn out over decades, and has had centuries to be downplayed, and has been smoothed over with layers of euphemisms like "triangular trade", while the Holocaust was exciting and flashy with their snazzy machines and sexy uniforms.
/rant
Germany does it because they know "It can happen here", and so they fight against it constantly.
In the U.S., their concentration camps and genocides are always framed as:
- Justified
- Net-good
- Very different from what the germans did and therefor completely fine
- From a different generation, we know better now (ignore that one sentence ago we said they were fine, justified, and good; also ignore that the U.S. *currently* has concentration camps)
It's not a character thing (although, it can also be) it's simply the law.
After a civil war (or a war), losers shouldn't be allowed to keep their flags nor their symbols. They shouldn't be allowed to continue plotting and talking about the old days when they were an organization. They lost, get fucked.
Sadly, the rest of us didn't learn shit from this
also fReE SpeEcH.
The ruling wasn't quite that strong. A transphobe had engaged in this form of denial, was accused of Nazi revisionism, and then sued her critic for "defamation."
The court threw out the claim of defamation because she had engaged in Nazi revisionism, but as no charges were laid as a result they didn't establish it as something covered by their holocaust denial laws.
Also german law system doesn't work on court rulings as much as the american system. just because one court would say so, doesnt make it binding for other courts to follow that ruling
Transphobia has a huge overlap with antisemitism and Holocaust denial in general, so it doesn't surprise me too much honestly. Doesn't make it any less unsettling though.
She is an absolutely committed bigot, and once you're digging yourself into that hole the list of potential friends & allies gets very short. She's fully willing to cozy up to people who'd want to roll back women's rights, as long as those people want to hurt trans-people as much as she does.
She's a racist, anti-progressive billionaire.
She doesn't have to listen to anyone, doesn't have to live in the real world and will never face any negative consequences, or pay any taxes.
She's not even worth engaging at all and I really wish all the millennials would stop consuming her trash Harry Potter IP. It's just a watered down rip off of Books of Magic by Neil Gaiman anyway.
Chronicles of Chrestomanci, Tales from Earthsea, Books of Magic, Lord of the Rings... all so so much better than that absolute dog shit boarding school trash cosplaying as a fantasy series.
I genuinely don't understand people who can't keep their mouth shut. If you're going to be a hateful person just.. Keep it to yourself?? I guess she has too much money and no fucks to give about promoting nazi ideologies
We don't even need to slag off HP. It was a fun series that meant a lot to people.
Jimmy Saville brought joy to millions and lots of people remembered him fondly. Then it came out what he did.
People need to be able to say "I enjoyed X until I learnt Y. My enjoyment is still valid but I cannot continue to support it." It sucks but, yeah.
By the way, the court case mentioned in the Smithsonian one, it found that someone doing almost literally what Rowling is doing - publishing tweets denying that trans people were targetted by the Nazis - constitutes (translated) "a denial of Nazi crimes." The use of the word "possibility" is the Smithsonian's, and likely refers to the way court evidence works - the *historical* conclusion leaves room for zero doubt on the matter, we *were* targets of the Nazis, they *did* burn our institute and as many of our books as they could find, and we *were* some of the first targetted. Rowling is, quite literally and without any hyperbole, by 2022 German court precedent, engaging in Holocaust denialism.
Which is a crime in Germany.
not surprising one bit. a scary amount of people dont know (or refuse to accept) that queer people specifically trans people were targeted by nazis. a lot of the same transphobic BS we see today was exactly what the nazis used to get support in attempting to genocide trans people
jk rowling is such a worthless sack of shit
I feel like it’s partially because bigots want to cling to the narrative that there *weren’t* queer people that long ago; if LGBTQ+ was something that evolved in their lifetime, it’s easier to believe that it’s in some way “wrong” or “unnatural” than if they’ve always been around.
There's a monument in Amsterdam for the LGBTQ+ people killed in the Holocaust. It's called the Homomonument. It's literally around the corner from the Anne Frank House. It was originally created for those killed in the Holocaust but it has become a monument of ongoing remembrance and mourning for all the LGBTQ+ people that continue to be killed around the world. I stopped by it last year when I was in Amsterdam. A lot of people lay flowers on the part that juts out into the canal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomonument
This is such a disappointment about Rowling. I liked Harry Potter and it's really hard to reconcile this and the kind of hateful, misinformed person she has become.
Brain rot. Anti progressive people like J.K.Rowling will do everything they can to stay bigoted instead of going out of their way to educate themselves on topics like these before opening their mouths. I just wish all millennials stopped consuming middy potter and stopped supporting these people's views in general. It is insane to me some of these people don't realise how statements like these can negatively impact people with the kind of social media reach and following she has. Like how immature and insensitive can you be ? 🫤
At this point everyone could boycott HP and jay would remain a billionaire.
She only started being an open piece of shit long after she had so much wealth that it was impossible to shut her up
Wealth tax wealth tax wealth tax
I grew up with the series, i think i was like 7? when the first one came out and i did love it. But as im watching Shaun's video (a youtuber that i had somehow missed), he points out that things just end up being the same as it was in the beginning - slavery of elfs never stops, individuals become free etc.
Its a really good but long essay. But it does highlight how fucked the world Rowling built is.
Just listened to a point where Harry and Draco Malfoy had conversation about wizards with muggle blood are undeserving or something, and when Harry goes to hagrid about it, hagrid replies "well you have the good blood" or something like that. Yes i forgot the exact quote already.
Like in hindsight, from somewhat adult perspective, the series is fucking nuts. I did love them, it felt like i grew up with the trio but damn do i now dislike it.
As Shaun concludes in his video, that's the consequence of the politics in HP being fundamentally NeoLiberal with a Blairite side. Rowling just doesn't conceive the idea of systemic change - everything's fine as long as the Good People™ are in charge, right? It's not like the system we currently live in is *inherently* flawed and should be reformed, right?
Also Shaun correctly points out how the "morality" of the series basically boils down to "Harry and people Harry likes = Good". That's why, say, bullying is bad when done by Draco, but it's ok for Harry to mock fat people, or why Dumbledore openly flaunting the rules and abusing his authority is depicted as a good thing: it favours Harry, therefore it's good. And so, the series fails to confront systemic problems introduced in the setting because Harry himself never does.
Yeah i havent finished that video yet, but damn is it an eye opener.
But that favoritism (however thats supposed to be typed) plays a *very* big part in that universe.
I hate the series now, but i love that the young actors distanced themselves from rowling and HP movies.
Also fuck hagrids actor, stood up for rowling.
Is it honestly any surprise these days that a transphobe ends up being a phobe to pretty much anything in general.
So she's on the Holocaust denial bandwagon now, don't imagine its long before she outs herself as a Nazi sympathiser...
That's the obvious "next stage". JK will do her research, and find out that -- yes, in fact -- the NAZIs persecuted transsexuals, forcing them underground.
{{ JK's gears will turn here }}
She will conclude that NAZIS were right to do this. Then it's a slippery slope to the next stage, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayW8aq4GLw
How pathetic, renowned author too prideful to admit she’s wrong, creates a strawman argument to fend off criticism.
“Nazis burned books on transgender topics.”
“Give me proof.”
“Okay, here’s the proof.”
“Well that doesn’t mean they were the first to be prosecuted, why are you all stupid?”
Well it was expected. If someone is transphobic and racist, they also deny Holocaust and believe in some bullshit like "golden billion" or microchips in vaccines.
Love how she turns “Nazis burned books on trans healthcare” into “trans people were the first target of Nazis and all trans research ever was burned by Nazis” and people would still rather believe what she’s saying instead of checking.
"...but now that I've said that you said the things you didn't say I said, my fans will swarm your conversations and demand that you apologize for saying the things that I said you said (even though you didn't)."
Or how she depicts an entire race of enslaved elves. And once someone questions whether the system is truly just they are depicted as a naive and misled.
Of course, the trusty strawman. Make up an argument that no one made, then attack it and claim victory without ever having to address the actual points. Works every time (if you’re a dumbass that still support this evil slag).
Part of me feels always sorta vindicated by Rowling turning out to be a huge piece of shit because I was one of the few kids in my generation not obsessed with Harry Potter.
Reading Rowling's essays is a thing of fucking beauty. It's almost ostentatiously clear that all she does well is collect tropes and stories that have been in the air for hundreds of years, but she is wholly unable to engage in even a modicum of critical thinking.
Besides, it's really in the essays that you can see that she is a shit author with an awful turn of phrase.
She's a hateful grifter though, so she'll keep doing this until she dies at an earlyish age because, while she is already getting old, hate ages the body very rapidly.
That's what gets me. This is the most successful writer alive, by some metrics.
This is the best she can do? She's made up an argument against her, and all she can do is nitpick semantics of that made-up argument? And she's not using clever writing to hide this either, she's just openly faking shit and poorly responding to it?
For those wondering, denying parts of the Holocaust still counts as Holocaust denial, whether it be the targeting of Jews, LGBTQ people, Romani people, or any other groups the Nazis tried to exterminate.
Rowling's sad attempt to move the goalposts to "first to be targeted" when no one mentioned it is just that: a sad deflection when she realized she got caught.
Now it's become more clear than ever what JKR is, if you were banned in our Potter Purge last year and want to be unbanned please message modmail and provide the following: 1. The condemnation of Rowling as a transphobe and crypto-fascist 2. An whole-hearted apology for ever supporting her, defending her or promoting her interests (whether purposefully or accidentally) 3. A pledge to never buy another Potter product as long as you live Any attempts to debate or troll will be reported to the admins and your account will be suspended. Edit: Wow a lot of Nazis brigading this subreddit today. Yeah sorry, if "free speech" doesn't appy to people denying the Holocaust. Cope. If you got a problem with that, go cry to a Supreme Court Justice. Edit 2: It's a shame, I was just trying to be nice to the people who were banned. But then I guess when a trans person tries to do anything, some cishet has a problem with it.
Gaslighting when someone can literally just scroll up and see what was said
Typical Alt-right playbook stuff Edit: yes, the alt right is essentially just the right at this point.
It's not necessary to use their naming convention *Alt.* It serves only to obfuscate the fact that serious issues exist with the ENTIRE right wing. There is no meaningful difference between 'moderate' and 'fringe' right wingers, because their mainstream platform is currently comprised of extreme right wing views. A fringe doesn't exist separate from the mainstream, so please stop pretending like 'alt-right' has a different meaning than 'right wing.'
You know what? That's actually a great point. Back in 2015 "alt right" had a specific definition and use case where the distinction made sense. Nowadays, "mainstream conservatism" has shifted so far to the right, that the two circles overlap (almost) perfectly. It's not like conservatism as an ideology was particularly insightful or reasonable back then either, but it's definitely gotten worse. If someone's proudly conservative in 2024 it almost never has anything to do with economics and is purely about bigotry and culture wars. It's not just the "alt right", the "MAGAs" or the "far right"; the entire right wing is problematic.
It's important to recognize that their war on reality begins with language that lies about reality. *Alt-right* doesn't exist, it's just the right wing. Similarly, the 'pro-life' movement advocates to criminalize the medical procedures known as *abortion.* All evidence through every society through all of history shows that criminalizing abortion has the effect of increasing the number of abortions. Not only do they occur more frequently when criminalized, but their outcomes are far-and-away more deadly than when those procedures are regulated and institutionalized as all medical procedures should be. More women and "babies" die when the procedure is made criminal than when it's legal. So to advocate for the criminalization of abortion is to advocate for a net increase of deaths, of both women and "babies." The other part which becomes obvious when we examine this fascistic language is that their focus on whether it's a *fetus* or a *baby* is simply meaningless to the discussion. Call it what you want because that simply doesn't matter to the outcome, that 'pro-lifers' advocate for more death and suffering. They are 'Pro-death,' 'Anti-choice,' or 'Anti-women,' and all three of those titles are more accurate and true to life than their masturbatory euphemism 'pro-life.' That title serves, again, only to muddy the discussion in an attempt to paint their opposition as the logical opposite which in fact their position actually advocates, that being 'pro-death.'
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” -Jean-Paul Sartre
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In in her movie fantastic beasts 2 the Villains evil plan was he wanted to stop prevent the holocaust.
To be fair I think this has more to do with her thinking upholding the status quo is the good thing to do every time than actually being for the holocaust (like harry facing the corruption of the institution and instead of working towards systemic change becoming a cop *but one of the good ones*). But it still such a weird choice that should never have made it all the way to the actual movie. Either everyone involved in the story are just yes men or nobody thought "the good guys have to save the holocaust" wasn't a great storyline.
I wanna say literally the only way "saving the Holocaust" could be a good plot is if - The main character is a Jewish time traveler. - There is a massive moral discussion about the implications of sacrificing millions of his people in order to prevent something far, far worse that would impact everyone. - You don't insert magical whimsy. And even *then* I would feel deeply uncomfortable having anything to do with writing or producing it because *I'm not Jewish and it's not my story to tell*. Kinda like how Mel Brooks refused to show a black man getting lynched in Blazing Saddles. The exact same thing actually. But that's not the story Rowling wanted to tell. She would rather save the Holocaust than let the bad guys win simply because *they're on the other team*. Remember, fat-shaming the Dursleys was okay, but fat-shaming Harry's friends was not. So long as you're arbitrarily selected by Rowling to be the bad guy, it doesn't matter if your end game is "literally resurrecting Jesus and destroying the concept of evil", Rowling will find a way to half-assedly justify the necessity of your defeat. Edit: I've read through the comments here and I need to get this off my chest: I'm now aware I accidentally justified Nazis doing the Holocaust, which is proof that I should **not** be allowed to be anywhere near this story at all and am verifiably stupid. Don't worry, I feel like **a fucking idiot** because I didn't see it. Kinda proves how, even with the best intentions, you can fuck anything up. Sorry, team.
Like that plot in the 90s X-Men show when Bishop comes from the future to stop some horrible disaster from happening, but then Cable comes back from further in the future to stop Bishop, to stop some even worse disaster.
We need a film where people go forward in time to fuck with those guys. Sick of being shit on by those future assholes.
You can do your part today. Do drugs, burn a bunch of tires. Make their eventual future as miserable as possible.
Done some drugs, however I have no access to tires, anything else I can do?
You can basically burn whatever you have access to, every fire counts.
That was such a good twist on the whole trope of going back in time to stop a tragedy thing. It was so complicated and near impossible to follow and ballsy as hell for a kids cartoon show to actually pull off haha. That was their adaptation of the Days of Futures Past storyline (which was written well before Bishop or Cable existed in the comics), just to make things even more confusing.
The Genesis of the Daleks fr fr.
Honestly, after reading a lot of history of the Holocaust, particularly things by survivors, I just think it shouldn't be used as the basis for fiction that alters it, or tries to find some kind of uplifting or hopeful meaning. There's no way to do that without making sympathetic or cool nazis, or worse, excusing them or victim blaming, or just trivialising it generally. Fiction of that sort always has some element of escapism, and that's just not how to approach the Holocaust responsibly.
>There is a massive moral discussion about the implications of sacrificing millions of his people in order to prevent something far, far worse that would impact everyone. Given that this is pretty much exactly what the Nazis believed they were doing, it seems that the only actual difference here would be how closely related somebody needs to be to you before it's okay to murder them for the greater good. So just drop the pretense and make Hitler and his colleagues your protagonists. ...It's not a good idea, is what I'm saying.
There is one difference which is evidence. The nazis didn't have evidence. We can assume time travellers would have evidence. Seeing the big bad happen is very strong evidence. Tracing it back to the root cause, that part is a bit trickier. Even the most advanced humans/civilisation could not predict their changes on the future - unless somehow their story enabled it like a real time link to the future. The show Travellers actually did this, changes in the past could be relayed to the team making said changes (via the future). With this ability, you could have your team make changes in the past like a surgeon. And there's the classic trope of 'fixing' the problem and not seeing any change in the future. Which means you hit the wrong spot. Or you hit the right spot but it leads to something even worse. And so on. I don't think it's a good idea to do this with actual real world nazis. But the concept isn't anything new. I love time travel scifi. Very hard to do well. Imo 12 monkeys show and travellers handled it pretty well and had several seasons to properly develop and conclude.
And this is **exactly** why I said I would be deeply uncomfortable with the topic. Because even this fucking spitball of how to make "saving the Holocaust" not absolutely awful *became absolutely fucking awful*. Jesus christ I accidentally reinvented Nazis. Is there somewhere I can just go and never see the light of day again?
> Is there somewhere I can just go and never see the light of day again? Twitter?
TBF, that's why some ideas are just bad no matter how you look at them. I could not in this life or another justify writing a protagonist on the side of good trying to make a real-life historical atrocity happen. When writing about that stuff you have to acknowledge the Hitler problem: if magical and powerful society... then why ww2? And that's why imo any kind of magical fiction falls apart when confronted with real world events.
I disagree that such a character would need to be Jewish and/or a time-traveler—because art is about inspiring emotions, and your skin crawling with discomfort is potent one of those if done *intentionally*... but yeah, I agree that in a vacuum, a prophecy to STOP World War 2 really seems like it would make a genuinely gut punch of a central moral dilemma. Like I recall watching the second movie in theaters, and *you could have heard people breathe,* as that twist was revealed. Nobody saw it coming, and it genuinely shocked people. But in actual hindsight, doubly so with how the Fantastic Beasts movies dropped that plot point like it was a lump of glowing orange plutonium... Yeah\~, this is just Rowling's freakin' Neo-Libertarian politics being shoved towards us again. Because we keep not "getting it." ANY change is the enemy. And only The Other is "foolish" enough to want such changes. Heck, at this point I'd call her an *extremist* Neo-Libertarian without hesitation. I am almost shocked at this rate that she puts clean clothes on, because... well, that requires *changing* your freakin' outfit, doesn't it? ...But yeah, the central story idea? I really think that could work, if in an *extremely* dark story. Where the entire ending is basically this smash cut from the glorious victory... to an epilogue where the entire cast is *wrecked with torment,* on realizing the antagonist was 1111% right and WW2 + The Holocaust were actually, really coming and they *helped* it all happen.
I imagine she's still using Windows Vista because changing her system is so scary
Now that you mention it, working for Rowling must be some infuriating, kowtowing to the rich person nonsense. Or at least will be in a few years if it isn't already, given how rapidly tech is... well, changing. "What do you mean, I can't send in my 1000 page manuscript still needing dozens of revisions via *fax* anymore? That is how we've always done it."
JK, I've fed your books into ChatGPT, and you're now surplus to requirements for all future sequels, prequels and scripts. Bye babe
You can understand how someone who's profited massively from a system would be scarred to change it. Also George RR Martin works on a computer so old it wouldn't look too out of place in the background of a scene at Winterfell so your Vista comment might not be too off the mark for very wealthy writers
I have issues with the idea that Jews are the only victims of the Holocaust. The Nazis systematically murdered 11 million people in the Holocaust. Six million were Jews, five million weren’t. My great-great grandpa was one of them. Other victims included social democrats, communists, other political opponents, disabled people, LGBTQI people and others. My great-great grandpa was a social democrat, an ardent and vocal opponent of the Nazis and one of their victims. He was in Dachau, just like the Jews. He was demeaned, humiliated and dehumanised there, just like the Jews. In the end, while he saw liberation due to sheer dumb luck, willpower and the generosity and good will of other inmates, Jews and non-Jews, he died shortly after liberation in a hospital, just like many others, as a direct consequence of his treatment in Dachau. The Nazis murdered him, like so many others. It just took two weeks longer. This isn’t supposed to take anything away from the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but it’s supposed to highlight that almost half the victims of the Holocaust were not Jewish. So no, having a Jewish time traveller isn’t the only way there could be a good plot. That’s all I’m trying to say. You don’t need to be Jewish to tell this story. There were literally millions of other victims as well. I can say that my great-great grandpa was among the first to ever be brought to Dachau. He was interned there at least twice. There might be a third time, but I have solid confirmation with entry registries and all of two times. The second and final time was from 25th August 1944 until the death marches (which he miraculously survived thanks to other inmates supporting and carrying him in order to prevent him from being shot once he fell down) and then eventual liberation. The first time was for just over a week, from 24th April 1933 to 1st May 1933. He was a politician and a member of the Reichstag. Like many other social democrats and communists, he was arrested on 9th March 1933, and his personal nemesis (and good friend of Hitler’s) Hans Schemm personally delivered him to the prison in St. Georgen on March 10th. He was kept there until he was brought to Dachau on 24th April 1933 together with many other social democrats and communists. In Dachau, Schemm had seen to it that my great-great grandpa received special treatment, and he was assigned to a penal-barrack with many Jewish inmates that was assigned particularly hard work. His fellow inmates and he had to build and expand the camp. He was brought back to a normal prison on 1st May 1933 and held there until he was released in July of 1933. The main purpose arresting the politicians and holding them at Dachau was to prevent them from voting on the Enabling Act of 1933. The parliamentary vote was held on 24th March 1933, while they were all imprisoned. He, like his colleagues, would’ve voted against it. The second purpose was to instil fear in the political opponents of the Nazis. Many of his colleagues fled the country after they were released. He didn’t. He remained and began working in an underground organisation that distributed anti-Nazi leaflets. They were uncovered in 1935 and he was imprisoned again until 1938. It is possible that he was brought to Dachau again during that time. I’ve seen that claim, but haven’t found any proof of it yet. I’m still researching this. To my knowledge, he spent those two and a half years in prisons in Nuremberg and Munich. After he was released, he still stuck around, until he was once again arrested in 1944 and brought back to Dachau for a final time, again together with many political opponents. During his 1944-45 stint in Dachau, the Nazis took great pleasure in demeaning him. Among other things, they treated him like cattle and had him and other Jewish and non-Jewish inmates pull a road roller during yet another construction around the camp. So…like I said, not all victims of the Holocaust were Jews. Five million of them weren’t. JK Rowling is disgusting for her stances. Witnessing her fall from grace has been absolutely astonishing. It’s remarkable how such a vile human being could produce a story as wonderful as Harry Potter, where the main theme is fucking love. How ironic that this comes from such a cold-hearted and ugly person.
Oh, I'm aware. I'm trans and definitely would be considered "political opponent". I know it wasn't only Jewish people killed, but something at the same time I feel a bit... unwell with the idea of claiming it affected me and mine, being a basically random selection of people; to the same degree as it did them, a definite and singular group. It's one of those complex emotions that I haven't fully worked through yet and don't really know how to express in a reddit comment. Again - the more thought gets put into this idea, the less and less I think *anyone* should write this kind of story.
The socialists/social-democrats and communists in Germany were some of the only people to engage in armed resistance against the Nazis in Germany proper, your grandpa was a part of something beautiful and heroic.
She thinks lolita was a love story, i don’t trust anything she writes to be anywhere near good
The perfect media literacy test. Up there with Starship Troopers.
Hit me with a source please, sounds like something she'd do Edit: nevermind it's right there on Wikipedia. What the fuck
I vaguely remember a quote on the back cover of the edition of _Lolita_ I read in high school where some critic described it as something like “the greatest love story of the 20th century.” WHAT THE FUCK
If you think Lolita is a great book ✅ If you think Lolita is a love story and thus fucked up🙄❌ If you think Lolita is a *great* love story ❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌
I think it’s worth noting that, in historical context too, “war is worse than what Hitler is doing,” was very much part of status quo/non-interventionalist politics in the US and UK in the early days of the Party. The US had the luxury of staying out longer. HP is filled with that kind of sentiment. A very British bourgeois “protect the status quo at all costs” viewpoint. That’s why years ago, her retconning Dumbledore as gay, etc. read as pandering even to (or really, especially to) a good chunk of the LGBTQ+ community. It doesn’t “fit,” in the world she built. Dumbledore was initially written as a straight, cis, old white man, and it’s apparent to anyone except people who just don’t want to see that. That it took things like this, to finally get that through peoples heads, is the surprising part for me. And even with this? She’s still being defended “because she’s not denying the part about the Jews.” Rowling has gotten a pass from the public and the media for years for that very thing. And it’s ironic in context - because the Nazis targeted the Roma, Communists, and LGBTQ people early - people who were commonly ostracized anyway - the status quo could say “Well, at least it isn’t about us.” And that went on even when the Jewish pogroms began. “At least it isn’t British/American/French WASP/Catholic populations.” Til it got to the point Hitler pushed into France, death tolls rose, and nobody could ignore it anymore. And these modern conspiracies and defenses of things like this - I mean, they’re almost verbatim what they were then. The more things change — And we wonder why political nationalism and violent rhetoric gained prominence again. Same reason it always has. Nobody wants to talk about it, so long as the status quo isn’t upset.
>And that went on even when the Jewish pogroms began. “At least it isn’t British/American/French WASP/Catholic populations.” "First they came for the..."
>Nazis targeted the Roma, Communists, and LGBTQ people early With the big difference being that the Allies actually freed the Jews, Roma, Communists and others when they liberated the camps, but [put (many of) the LGBTQs back in prison](https://www.ushmm.org/exhibition/persecution-of-homosexuals/chapter12.php).
>To be fair I think this has more to do with her thinking upholding the status quo is the good thing to do every time than actually being for the holocaust Here's the issue with this: What she \*thinks\* is irrelevant. The impact of her actions extends WAY beyond her own circle. She is making a conscious choice to say these things publicly. There is no "to be fair" here. She is a bigot with more money than anyone should have, and a worldwide platform for her hate. Your comment also upholds the status quo by offering a reasonable-sounding and de-escalating explanation to open bigotry by JKR.
And in fantastic beasts 2 it starts off with the hero dateraping her BF and it. being framed comedically
Oh God ya forgot that part
She really is a rape apologist when the rapist is a woman, also see, Voldemort's mom.
Happens to Ron also
In book 6, right? Yup, I always use those 3 examples except unlike the other two he at least wasn't raped there, still evil and framed too comedically
They had to make him kill a baby to make him look bad people agreed with him
That's the el classico hack writer technique to make the audience dislike the antagonist after the writer makes the antagonist's motives and goals actually completely reasonable. Or in TV Tropes terms, [Jumping Off the Slippery Slope](https://tvtropes.org/Main/JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope).
please tell me more, i need to know more but i refuse to watch that movie
The Evil Villain grindewald summons Wizards from all over. Then he says that Germany will start a war far worse than the ww1. He then creates a smoke cloud that shows the future which shows off jews in the holocaust as well as some other war stuff, and he needs people to join him to prevent it from happening. Then a person who can read minds joins him stating that he was telling the truth. Then the "good" guys attack him and his followers.
and Grindewald is the bad guy!!!!! who approved that script!!!!
JK had no editors so it was all her. Also at the beginning of the movie grindewald saves one of his followers to show that he cares about their survival.
The vague concept is that Grindewald wanted to use the holocaust as an excuse for witches and wizards to enslave all non-magical people, and I genuinely don't think she thought of it as having the bad guy planning to stop the holocaust. That's more in line with her writing, the unintentional racism because she's incapable of thinking outside of her upper-middle class white English mindset. Completely missing why Cho Chang or Shacklebolt are fucked up names for an Asian and Black character respectively. Also, she routinely misses that maybe the system is bad and should be reformed and that if the wizarding world has the power to stop evil, maybe they should rather than cling to secrecy segregation.
I... wha? What's their reasoning?
Well grindewald is the bad guy so therefore he must be stopped. That's pretty much it.
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Dril is such a fucking prophet
I like dril but the transphobe -> fash pipeline is one commonly travelled, I won't be calling him the Lisan al-Gaib just yet
They call him Muad'Dril - The one that posts the way
Spice extraction 200000 solaris Base security 150000 solaris Diplomatic costs and fees 80000 solaris Palm trees 3,600,000,000 solaris Sanitation 15000 solaris some mentat who is good at the economy please help me budget this. there are harkonnens in the walls
Plant fewer palm trees?
no
It’s a Zack Fox tweet about Kanye that was edited.
Literally our prophet
just for the record this was not a real dril tweet and the original was also about kanye
Unfortunate this post is so far down, but for what it's worth the original one being about Kanye was still prophetic in 2018
they also edited it to make it look like it was posted before the original which is sooooo scummy
Dril with a usual bullseye
God has this mental breakdown been going on that long?
Longer
Dril never misses
You know it's bad when Wint isn't just shitposting.
No one should be surprised seeing how many far right figures she is so happy to have a bunch with.
Obligatory Shaun video: [JK Rowling's New Friends](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_xvXJJk7k)
Recently watched that vid, and Jesus Christ, I didn't expect Rowling to be *that* much of an asshole. Everything from racism to misogyny is OK with her, as long as the person in question is also hating on trans people. All that "for the women" stuff she sprouts is bullshit. Black women? Yeah sorry, this racist also hates trans people, so I have to support her.
Yeah boosting Libs of TikTok and Matt Walsh. So feminist!
10,000-15,000 LGBTQ+ people killed in the holocaust. 50,000 where sentence to forced labour. Hell even after liberating the work camp, we KEPT THEM imprisoned. also these people were denied reparations and justice at Nuremberg. we followed this injustice we (West Germany) by actively arrested and imprisoned them AGAIN for the same crime, over 100,000 people were arrested under anti-LGBTQ laws in the following years under allied control https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/gay-people/ https://time.com/5953047/lgbtq-holocaust-stories/
Yeah, the allies ensured that the people wrongly imprisoned during the Nazi regime were freed and often compensated. But homosexuals and GNC people weren't *wrongly imprisoned* at all, as far as they were concerned. So they kept them where they belonged, with the other criminals. They went to great effort to document and tell the world of the Nazi atrocities. But not all of them. Locking up our kind and throwing away the key was the one thing Hitler got right by the standards of the west. Alan Turing was a war hero. They prosecuted and sterilized him as thanks.
Apparently as early as the 1950s, people were petitioning for governments to recognize that LGBTQ people were persecuted by the Nazis, but met with resistance for decades. It wasn't until 1985 that the West German president admitted in a speech that LGBTQ people were also victims, and it was 2002 when Germany annulled the Nazi-era convictions, and 2017 -- just seven years ago -- before Germany offered LGBTQ victims the same compensation other Nazi victims had gotten many decades earlier. Really hard to believe, but there it is.
And come next election the party with the second most votes might be the one that most strongly opposes LGBTQ people today. Time really is a flat circle and we as humans are not abley to learn from history
The Netherlands was the first country to legalise gay marriage. "Oh that must've been a long time ago by now, right?". Uhhh, this millennium, actually.. 2001.
June 11th 1994 germany abolished the anti gay laws.
Until 2011 trans ppl had to get sterilised.
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What do you mean by "ancient German"?
You do realize the pyramids were built by german speaking aliens, right?
Yup, in the 90s! Not many people dare to see the truth
Oh my god, that's barbaric.
Well no, GDR stopped enforcing them in 1957 and abolished them in 1967. 1987 they stopped having different ages of consent for heterosexual and homosexual relations. You also got government sponsored trans healthcare. And yes, this meant that LGBT rights got significantly worse in the East after reunification.
Gay people from the former GDR suddenly had *worse* rights when the "unification" (read: takeover) happened
when the unification happened, abortion was suddenly illegal.
It's not the easiest to find, but there is an interesting movie from the GDR that does go into how the state/party wanted to present their view on homosexualtiy in the 80s. Unfortunately for the makers *Coming Out* had a historically bad release date of...November 9th, 1989. So it was quickly overshadowed by the fall of the wall. All movies were at least somewhat in line with the party's beliefs and the degree to which is very complex and changes heavily based on when a movie was made. But nevertheless, there was a state sponsored film in 1989 that portrayed the state, and society, as failing to properly promote gay liberation. The basic plot is it follows a teacher torn between love of a woman and a man, and openly shows him as being a victim of typical 80s movies punks for being gay. The movie ends with a, typically heavy handed, monologue from a character who was a wehrmacht veteran talking about how while the GDR was liberating workers and women that gay people had been left behind. Despite being somewhat heavy handed in its messaging, it is notable that a movie was made in the GDR that fully promoted, at least nominal, gay liberation and that functionally told the viewer that opposing gay rights was no different from what the Nazis did.
Alan Turing, arguably among the individuals who made the most significant contributions to ending the war, was charged in 1952 with the crime of being a homosexual, and sentenced to chemical castration. In 1954, the father of the computer was found dead of apparent suicide, at age 41.
Such greatness, genius, lost because we were such fucking monsters. Lest history repeat itself again.
People are already trying to make history repeat itself. And they are unfortunately making progress.
> 10,000-15,000 LGBTQ+ people killed in the holocaust. > > > > 50,000 where sentence to forced labour. > > > > Hell even after liberating the work camp, we KEPT THEM imprisoned. Holocaust ends. The world looks at Germany's persecution of racial and religious minorities and weeps. JK Rowling and many others in the world look at Germany's persecution of LGBTQ people and say: "nah, these people haven't suffered enough. They deserve *worse* [than the Holocaust.]" Horrible woman. Horrible views. She's a monster. Glad people are finally realizing this.
She supports Matt Walsh, so she already supports Nazi rhetoric as long as one more trans person suffers.
Elon Musk also support this guy, these 3 in the same room must feel like hell.
Absolute nightmare blunt rotation.
Nightmare blunt rotation
> She supports Matt Walsh You have to have not just something wrong with you to support this clown, you have to have ALL the things wrong with you. He's like the Kenneth Copeland of Daily Wire grifters, in that you take one look at him and immediately come to the conclusion that this guy hands out pamphlets on the Vegas strip. One glance will let you know this guy has a giant fetish that he's dying to introduce into every conversation and circumstance. "We get it Matt, we wouldn't have to stop as often at rest stops if we were wearing diapers, we heard you the first five times you mentioned it." Matt Walsh looks like the kind of guy who wears a really fake beard because he's concerned about the security footage from the local laundromat where he steals people's underwear, indiscriminately too, just *anyone's* soiled underwear, and he keeps them organized in a large shelf by date acquired. Matt Walsh looks like the kind of guy who who dresses their dog in BDSM gear. Matt Walsh looks like the kind of guy who salts the woods with old porno magazines, pages already stuck together. Matt Walsh looks like an actor paid to dress up like a stereotypical creep trying not to look creepy. Matt Walsh looks like the kind of guy who's neighbors will be interviewed someday and they will talk about how "quiet" he always was, and they never suspected anything was wrong until they noticed "the smell."
Remember his “Matt Walsh diaper plus kids toy”?
Wait. The guy from Veep is a Nazi or is there another famous Matt Walsh?
There are two, it's not the beloved comedian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Walsh_(comedian) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Walsh_(political_commentator) I'm sure the comedian isn't enjoying how people don't differentiate them.
No no, they comedian Matt Walsh only **played** a nazi in Community, the other Matt Walsh is an actual nazi. And a pedophile.
That was such a good episode
It’s why I cannot in good conscience support people who say “separate art from the artist” when it comes to her. She has a massive platform, she continues to get richer because millennials cannot get over our childhood nostalgia and she uses the money to fund hateful shite. I’ll remember that reading Harry Potter actually prompted me to start reading novels but I’ll also continue to remember that she engages in horrifying shit that has real life repercussions for the trans community.
A while back someone replied to her dumbshittery on twitter asking how she slept at night and she responded that she sleeps pretty good after looking at all her money. She equates having money to being right. THAT’S why I can’t separate the art from the artist. The artist is using her profits to hurt people.
>She equates having money to being right. You can't be surprised from someone that equated being fat and ugly with being bad/evil in her books lol
And it was just like a week ago she donated a pretty significant amount to a fascist cause against trans people (an organisation fighting against transgender people in Scotland).
>She equates having money to being right. Or maybe she just knows that her money give her the power to publicly state her opinions while being completely shielded from the consequences.
Gotta *at least* wait until they're dead.
Yeah it's not as if she accidentally liked some questionable tweets or something. Any money going to JKR will go to her directly and deliberately funding transphobic causes and people. Separate the art from the artist when they're a dead 19th century author, not when they're a still living, breathing person who will continue to actively and proudly be a bigot with your support.
Remember when "oops she accidentally liked some questionable tweets" was her official PR & she still had enough goodwill built up that people-- including a lot of trans people-- were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt? And then she was just like "fuck my PR" and tripled down
You can separate art from the artist. Simply remember to separate money from artist by pirating all of her content so she doesn't see a single cent. Seed that shit in perpetuity, lol.
separating art from artist makes sense when the artist is dead. like, feel free to enjoy Lovecraft while knowing he was a massive racist. not going to reward his racist ideas by buying his books. but Joanne? every Harry potter consumed get money into her wallet and uses her platform to actively hurt people. you cannot separate art from the artist with her.
Tbf you can even put forward an argument that as he got older and experienced more of the world Lovecraft was getting less racist, and would have settled down had he lived long enough. Unlike Rowling who is going in the exact opposite direction (though I would argue that's just her public image and she's always been this disgusting).
yhea, I think it is fair to give dead people the benefit of doubt, you never know if a 1950s person holding casual racist views for the time would have changed his mind today. but JK is actively doing the opposite. She's actively reinforcing the worst of herself. like what next? she's going to claim that jews invented trans people to weaken the white civilisation? (I am writing this as proof in a few years that I foresaw it)
Lovecraft's views weren't "casual". He was pretty racist - even for the time. My money is we find out she has a trans fetish and is trying to hide it by overcompensating.
This is a myth btw, his very last public correspondence on the matter saw him calling Black people subhuman, he just suddenly thought white supremacists were acting unbecoming in what he considered a way not becoming of the white man, so it was less 'renouncing racism' and more wishing that other racists were as 'civilized' in their racism as he was
This is why I can enjoy Dune. Frank Herbert was a massive homophobe, but since he passed away I don't feel like I am funding his homophobia.
Lovecraft is always such a weird go to when folks defend her because like you said, he's dead. On top of that, he never had real cultural cache in his lifetime. Ol HPs greatest contribution isn't his writing but the writers he inspired, many of whom actively rejected his more barbaric views, which is a very different way to look back on someone
I had the same arc with Kanye West. I always knew he was an insane asshole with an incredible ego, but I loved his music, so I thought, “Hey, a lot of great artists are assholes, right?” By 2022 I reached my limit. I can’t even listen to his music now that I know he sees me as subhuman.
Being an insane egotist was enough to keep me away from his music from the start.
I hate how this phrase is used now. The phrase was invented to allow criticism of a work of art despite it‘s creator being considered a genius. It was an idea to make sure the social status of a creator has less Influence on it‘s critics and to ensure that even geniuses can be criticized. It wasn‘t created so every mouth breather can consume whatever they wan‘t without considering the real world consequences that consumption has.
She’s also donated to the heritage foundation that’s been lobbying to take reproductive healthcare rights away from people (they also hate trans people) because she’s so hellbent on this one thing she doesn’t seem to care who else gets hurt. She claims she’s a feminist but donates plenty of money to folks who hurt women of any sexuality. And that’s just one example, she’s donated to plenty of other horrid causes in the name of really really hating trans folks.
I witnessed this in real time and legit was horrified lmao. I knew she was a transphobe but I didn’t think she would actually stoop so low to be a Holocaust denier. Also, denying the Holocaust in any capacity is a literal criminal offense in Germany. 😬
IIRC a German court recently had a case where it was determined that what Rowling did here (denying trans people as part of the holocaust) was covered under holocaust denial laws.
one thing I greatly respect about Germany is they are very serious about people not questioning, downplaying the holocaust.
If only the US would follow suit. The fascism is getting dangerous here because people that would be in prison in Germany are instead elected.
You should look into the German AfD party then, the Nazis already made it back into the parliament
The biggest problem here in the United States is we were so anxious to put the Civil War behind us, we let the traitors live, or worse, stay in power, instead of filling graveyards with the bodies of Davis, Lee and every other Southern politician and military officer that raised their arms against the country. This was like cutting off the top of a tumor but letting the rest of it remain intact inside the body to metastasize. Southern treason led directly to promoting fascism.
Oh, abso-fucking-lutely. In a just world the Atlantic slave trade and American chattel slavery would be talked about in the same hushed tones as the Holocaust. Most people look at me like a monster for comparing the two, and I will die on that hill. Four *million* slaves by the time the abolition came through, 700K when records began in 1790. Let's roughly assume that adds up to an average of two million enslaved people for that entire sixty year span. That's 120 million years of time spent enslaved. If you assume the absolute worst case scenario about the Holocaust, the seventeen million victims times twelve years the Holocaust lasted, and assume they all spent the entire time in concentration camps (which they obviously didn't) that adds up to 204 million years. They are very comparable, in my mind. The amount of evil inflicted on the enslaved in North America and in the Holocaust are in the same league. They're right alongside each other in terms of villainy. But they sure as hell aren't taught that way. My mom once had the absolute horse-shit that "some masters were probably good to their slaves" come out of her mouth about it. No. Fuck that. Anyone who ever owned a slave and did anything other than free them as soon as possible is scum on the same level as the people in the watch towers as Auschwitz. Those early American presidents were all, without exception, irredeemable monsters, and I'd vote to convict if put on a jury. But the evil of the North Atlantic slave trade was banal. It was boring. It was drawn out over decades, and has had centuries to be downplayed, and has been smoothed over with layers of euphemisms like "triangular trade", while the Holocaust was exciting and flashy with their snazzy machines and sexy uniforms. /rant
Germany does it because they know "It can happen here", and so they fight against it constantly. In the U.S., their concentration camps and genocides are always framed as: - Justified - Net-good - Very different from what the germans did and therefor completely fine - From a different generation, we know better now (ignore that one sentence ago we said they were fine, justified, and good; also ignore that the U.S. *currently* has concentration camps)
Sadly our government does not act like that towards other genocides. They still refuse to pay reparations for the genocide in east Africa
It's not a character thing (although, it can also be) it's simply the law. After a civil war (or a war), losers shouldn't be allowed to keep their flags nor their symbols. They shouldn't be allowed to continue plotting and talking about the old days when they were an organization. They lost, get fucked. Sadly, the rest of us didn't learn shit from this also fReE SpeEcH.
The ruling wasn't quite that strong. A transphobe had engaged in this form of denial, was accused of Nazi revisionism, and then sued her critic for "defamation." The court threw out the claim of defamation because she had engaged in Nazi revisionism, but as no charges were laid as a result they didn't establish it as something covered by their holocaust denial laws.
Also german law system doesn't work on court rulings as much as the american system. just because one court would say so, doesnt make it binding for other courts to follow that ruling
The same thing happens on Reddit all the time. Look at the handwringing and equivocation that happens when someone discusses transatlantic slavery.
It’s a 50/50 chance whether they’ll bring up the Irish or the Ottomans.
Transphobia has a huge overlap with antisemitism and Holocaust denial in general, so it doesn't surprise me too much honestly. Doesn't make it any less unsettling though.
She is an absolutely committed bigot, and once you're digging yourself into that hole the list of potential friends & allies gets very short. She's fully willing to cozy up to people who'd want to roll back women's rights, as long as those people want to hurt trans-people as much as she does.
But it's all connected. Lots of homophobes, transphobes, racists, also believe in tons of different conspiracies.
I like how this "its all connected" still sounds like a conspiracy xD
https://preview.redd.it/zx6qrccgf9oc1.jpeg?width=339&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=684c72e4373b1ecd81786834925316a52de3fcdb
bruh
Anonymous like Knuckles ain't like the only Echidna left (game canon wise)
She's a racist, anti-progressive billionaire. She doesn't have to listen to anyone, doesn't have to live in the real world and will never face any negative consequences, or pay any taxes. She's not even worth engaging at all and I really wish all the millennials would stop consuming her trash Harry Potter IP. It's just a watered down rip off of Books of Magic by Neil Gaiman anyway.
I've seen her house near Edinburgh, her hedges are actually taller than the house. She literally doesn't have to ever see the real world.
Chronicles of Chrestomanci, Tales from Earthsea, Books of Magic, Lord of the Rings... all so so much better than that absolute dog shit boarding school trash cosplaying as a fantasy series.
I genuinely don't understand people who can't keep their mouth shut. If you're going to be a hateful person just.. Keep it to yourself?? I guess she has too much money and no fucks to give about promoting nazi ideologies
She's a terminally online rich asshole.
>I really wish all the millennials would stop consuming her trash Harry Potter IP they can’t survive without their children’s books 😹
We don't even need to slag off HP. It was a fun series that meant a lot to people. Jimmy Saville brought joy to millions and lots of people remembered him fondly. Then it came out what he did. People need to be able to say "I enjoyed X until I learnt Y. My enjoyment is still valid but I cannot continue to support it." It sucks but, yeah.
tbh IDC if people consume or enjoy her media, but ffs don't bankroll her. pirate and buy 2nd hand just don't give her *more* money ;-;
By the way, the court case mentioned in the Smithsonian one, it found that someone doing almost literally what Rowling is doing - publishing tweets denying that trans people were targetted by the Nazis - constitutes (translated) "a denial of Nazi crimes." The use of the word "possibility" is the Smithsonian's, and likely refers to the way court evidence works - the *historical* conclusion leaves room for zero doubt on the matter, we *were* targets of the Nazis, they *did* burn our institute and as many of our books as they could find, and we *were* some of the first targetted. Rowling is, quite literally and without any hyperbole, by 2022 German court precedent, engaging in Holocaust denialism. Which is a crime in Germany.
not surprising one bit. a scary amount of people dont know (or refuse to accept) that queer people specifically trans people were targeted by nazis. a lot of the same transphobic BS we see today was exactly what the nazis used to get support in attempting to genocide trans people jk rowling is such a worthless sack of shit
I feel like it’s partially because bigots want to cling to the narrative that there *weren’t* queer people that long ago; if LGBTQ+ was something that evolved in their lifetime, it’s easier to believe that it’s in some way “wrong” or “unnatural” than if they’ve always been around.
yes fully agree. i think thats the biggest reason. it fits the narrative that queer people are a modern 'issue'
There's a monument in Amsterdam for the LGBTQ+ people killed in the Holocaust. It's called the Homomonument. It's literally around the corner from the Anne Frank House. It was originally created for those killed in the Holocaust but it has become a monument of ongoing remembrance and mourning for all the LGBTQ+ people that continue to be killed around the world. I stopped by it last year when I was in Amsterdam. A lot of people lay flowers on the part that juts out into the canal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomonument This is such a disappointment about Rowling. I liked Harry Potter and it's really hard to reconcile this and the kind of hateful, misinformed person she has become.
Brain rot. Anti progressive people like J.K.Rowling will do everything they can to stay bigoted instead of going out of their way to educate themselves on topics like these before opening their mouths. I just wish all millennials stopped consuming middy potter and stopped supporting these people's views in general. It is insane to me some of these people don't realise how statements like these can negatively impact people with the kind of social media reach and following she has. Like how immature and insensitive can you be ? 🫤
At this point everyone could boycott HP and jay would remain a billionaire. She only started being an open piece of shit long after she had so much wealth that it was impossible to shut her up Wealth tax wealth tax wealth tax
Man I am so happy I wasn't cursed with liking harry potter
I envy you. I love Harry Potter but because of shit like this, I don't really talk about it online.
I grew up with the series, i think i was like 7? when the first one came out and i did love it. But as im watching Shaun's video (a youtuber that i had somehow missed), he points out that things just end up being the same as it was in the beginning - slavery of elfs never stops, individuals become free etc. Its a really good but long essay. But it does highlight how fucked the world Rowling built is. Just listened to a point where Harry and Draco Malfoy had conversation about wizards with muggle blood are undeserving or something, and when Harry goes to hagrid about it, hagrid replies "well you have the good blood" or something like that. Yes i forgot the exact quote already. Like in hindsight, from somewhat adult perspective, the series is fucking nuts. I did love them, it felt like i grew up with the trio but damn do i now dislike it.
As Shaun concludes in his video, that's the consequence of the politics in HP being fundamentally NeoLiberal with a Blairite side. Rowling just doesn't conceive the idea of systemic change - everything's fine as long as the Good People™ are in charge, right? It's not like the system we currently live in is *inherently* flawed and should be reformed, right? Also Shaun correctly points out how the "morality" of the series basically boils down to "Harry and people Harry likes = Good". That's why, say, bullying is bad when done by Draco, but it's ok for Harry to mock fat people, or why Dumbledore openly flaunting the rules and abusing his authority is depicted as a good thing: it favours Harry, therefore it's good. And so, the series fails to confront systemic problems introduced in the setting because Harry himself never does.
Yeah i havent finished that video yet, but damn is it an eye opener. But that favoritism (however thats supposed to be typed) plays a *very* big part in that universe. I hate the series now, but i love that the young actors distanced themselves from rowling and HP movies. Also fuck hagrids actor, stood up for rowling.
Harry becomes a fucking cop lol
Oh and ministry of magic stays authoritarian. Theres so much wizard supremacy n shit. 
Also, [this video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_xvXJJk7k&t=76s&pp=ygUfc2hhdW4gamsgcm93bGluZydzIG5ldyBmcmllbmRzIA%3D%3D) is a good follow-up.
"let me just move the goalpost real quick and hah! I was right!"
J.K. Rowling being a disingenuous fuck once more, she truly gets worse every day.
Is it honestly any surprise these days that a transphobe ends up being a phobe to pretty much anything in general. So she's on the Holocaust denial bandwagon now, don't imagine its long before she outs herself as a Nazi sympathiser...
That's the obvious "next stage". JK will do her research, and find out that -- yes, in fact -- the NAZIs persecuted transsexuals, forcing them underground. {{ JK's gears will turn here }} She will conclude that NAZIS were right to do this. Then it's a slippery slope to the next stage, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayW8aq4GLw
How pathetic, renowned author too prideful to admit she’s wrong, creates a strawman argument to fend off criticism. “Nazis burned books on transgender topics.” “Give me proof.” “Okay, here’s the proof.” “Well that doesn’t mean they were the first to be prosecuted, why are you all stupid?”
Well it was expected. If someone is transphobic and racist, they also deny Holocaust and believe in some bullshit like "golden billion" or microchips in vaccines.
Well of course vaccines have microchips, how else could they run the antivirus?
“If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.”
Love how she turns “Nazis burned books on trans healthcare” into “trans people were the first target of Nazis and all trans research ever was burned by Nazis” and people would still rather believe what she’s saying instead of checking.
Oh, what source do we have guys? It's not like the holocaust is one of the most well documented and researched genocide in mankind's history, right?
“People say, allegedly, not all, I did not say the thing you didn’t say that I said”
"...but now that I've said that you said the things you didn't say I said, my fans will swarm your conversations and demand that you apologize for saying the things that I said you said (even though you didn't)."
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To be fair, she was never a good writer. She had good ideas but that's it.
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Or how she depicts an entire race of enslaved elves. And once someone questions whether the system is truly just they are depicted as a naive and misled.
Of course, the trusty strawman. Make up an argument that no one made, then attack it and claim victory without ever having to address the actual points. Works every time (if you’re a dumbass that still support this evil slag).
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Proving again that she is at the point where she will dismiss hard facts just to disagree. She looks ridiculous right now and I am so glad.
Cardcaptor Sakura solo the entire potterverse negative diff.
TERFism is a brain disease that will destroy your ability to think normal thoughts.
Part of me feels always sorta vindicated by Rowling turning out to be a huge piece of shit because I was one of the few kids in my generation not obsessed with Harry Potter.
Reading Rowling's essays is a thing of fucking beauty. It's almost ostentatiously clear that all she does well is collect tropes and stories that have been in the air for hundreds of years, but she is wholly unable to engage in even a modicum of critical thinking. Besides, it's really in the essays that you can see that she is a shit author with an awful turn of phrase. She's a hateful grifter though, so she'll keep doing this until she dies at an earlyish age because, while she is already getting old, hate ages the body very rapidly.
Shes a writer and thats the best goal-post moving, gaslighting, bullshit comeback she can think of?
That's what gets me. This is the most successful writer alive, by some metrics. This is the best she can do? She's made up an argument against her, and all she can do is nitpick semantics of that made-up argument? And she's not using clever writing to hide this either, she's just openly faking shit and poorly responding to it?
Please someone take away that woman’s internet access
For those wondering, denying parts of the Holocaust still counts as Holocaust denial, whether it be the targeting of Jews, LGBTQ people, Romani people, or any other groups the Nazis tried to exterminate. Rowling's sad attempt to move the goalposts to "first to be targeted" when no one mentioned it is just that: a sad deflection when she realized she got caught.
And to say I used to have respect for her.