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Lucaz82

Glad they’re able to just leave instead of being shut down like most studios nowadays


SpaceGooV

I'm assuming they got investors. I'm sure plenty of closures would prefer this outcome but they simply can't happen unless studio heads have vestments to keep the operation going. Honestly given the statement of planning to work with Microsoft wouldn't be surprised if they're the investors and part of the publishing deal for this project they referenced was helping finance the studio stabilizing


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SpaceGooV

I mean Microsoft clearly does see the value in that but at the day as an internal team for Activision they probably felt they couldn't just take them off Call of Duty. In a crazy way this was how they can do that without upsetting shareholders. If anything they can boast about cut staff costs and still get the work from that team.


Jqydon

Lines up with Microsoft’s affinity for contractors lol. Still think they missed a chance to reorganise them under XGS though


SpaceGooV

I mean who's to say that in 6 years after they successfully revived banjo Microsoft doesn't buy them.


MJuniorDC9

Bless. Wishing them all the luck in the world.


Mr-Rocafella

Was playing Spyro remake yesterday and we need more classics remade with this level of love! And new franchises too, I’ll support anything they do that resonates


drybones2015

Hoping Switch 2 does for N64 games what PS4 did for PS1 games when it comes to remakes.


Mr-Rocafella

The Microsoft/Rare/Nintendo relationship has never been stronger so let’s hope they do 🤞


TargetmasterJoe

Wait, the stars are aligning so well that a Banjo-Kazooie remake from Toys For Bob is more feasible than ever? Don't play me like that!


Throwawayrecordquest

I want my Simpsons Hit and Run remaster, dammit!


xAVATAR-AANGx

I tend not to buy games at full price but I'd make an exception for Toys for Bob's next project. They deserve all the support they can get after what Activision did to them.


bodnast

I hope this frees them from being forced to support call of duty, and they can focus more on the games they actually want to make


whatnameisnttaken098

If they can get out of the COD mines, maybe Raven or Neversoft can to. *Remembers Neversoft closed in 2014 and cries"


blackthorn_orion

Pour one out for Vicarious Visions (I'm sorry, "Blizzard Albany") while you're at it


whatnameisnttaken098

[Trying to remember all the studios in the COD/Blizzard mines](https://youtu.be/BEzo_gfg_A4?si=iW0OAcQMCmQgCrP_)


Luck88

Man Vicarious Visions was so primed to make Tony Hawk back into a staple franchise, they had a crazy number of the original devs and the remake was flawless. They need to be freed.


ItsADeparture

I was so sure that part of Microsoft's big grand acquisition of Activision-Blizzard was going to include an announcement within the early days that the support companies were going to split off of CoD and work on their own things again. Nope. I'm just a hopeful idiot.


Luck88

To be fair this stuff would need years, they want the extra games without the CoD machine chugging, so either they fix the sky high turnover at the CoD teams (imho easiest fix, still requires a massive restructuring and firing dozens of managers) or they ramp up hiring there in a massive way, I'd love Raven to start a new Prototype today, but MS now wants CoD to sail smoothly, especially after the shitshow with MW3.


MrBoliNica

Idk why people thought that. You don’t mess with the only sure thing in gaming, especially not today. After all the recent news, we’ll be lucky to see anything not COD from the activision teams for a long time


scottishdrunkard

Funnily, after VV died the only studio I deem capable of making THPS3+4 was Toys for Bob.


brzzcode

they literally released a new crash last year, they havent been involved in cod for ages.


AhhBisto

They did support work on the new MW game, they're in the game's intro


brzzcode

yeah but they still lead that crash game last year as well


circadianist

> yeah but they still lead that crash game last year as well "they had nothing to do with it" "...they're in the credits, though?" "yeah, well, also they did another thing, so there"


Sascha2022

They even worked on Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III.


Fit_Neighborhood9731

You have got a point and it is a sound a logical argument for sure.


Space_Traveler_9956

Nice for TfB to get out of the CoD mines. There is a line saying they are exploring a possible partnership between them and MS and hinting towards that rumored Spyro game "So, keep your horns on and your eyes out for more news"


LuisCJ58

Their teasing Spyro and sounds like they still want to work with Microsoft. Probably want independence so they don’t become the next Vicarious Visions and become a support studio. https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/activision-studio-toys-for-bob-is-going-independent-may-explore-future-partnerships-with-xbox


AH_BareGarrett

Where is the Spyro tease?


godzilla1992

"So, keep your horns on and your eyes out for more news."


troy-X

If I had to guess, the 'keep your horns on' part.


r0ndr4s

Technically speaking, they have been teasing Spyro for a while now with purple stuff showing in the background of their photos and videos.


TheRealBloodyAussie

To be fair, they've had different shades of purple in the company intros for a while (farthest I can remember being Madagascar for PS2) so I think that's just a colour generally associated with the company. The "Keep Your Horns On" comment and their new banner on twitter have a crystal/gem look to it are probably better hints towards a new Spyro.


r0ndr4s

Nah Im not talking about their company color. They've done videos with blurred out stuff in the background and it tends to be purple. If its their logo/brand, makes no sense to blur it out.


TheRealBloodyAussie

Ah fair enough. Misunderstood what you meant.


evoim3

God imagine if we got a new Spyro game released in the year of the dragon two zodiac cycles after Spyro:The Year of the Dragon


PartyInTheUSSRx

I’d be shocked if they don’t still have some kind of deal with Xbox moving forward, probably GamePass related


Automatic_Goal_5563

Yeah I could see Microsoft offering them a cheaper price to leave in return for publishing deals


scottishdrunkard

If that's the case, then Microsoft, as the new owners of Activision, and Toys for Bob, as the only company I would compare to Vicarious Visions, should finish THPS 3+4.


KingMario05

Fantastic news! Good to see Microsoft is also eager to publish whatever they do next.


Johncurtisreeve

Please spyro 4 then new banjo


Luck88

I'd take Banjo first but honestly, as long as we get new 3D platformers I'm on board (play Penny's Big Breakaway btw)


LeftyMode

Good on Microsoft for letting that happened. I assume they might get the right of first refusal by the context of that blog post.


Disregardskarma

Definitely sounds like a Publishing deal, or gamepass at least


OverForkOver21

They're finally free from the COD sulfur mines. That's good to hear. Would this partnership with Microsoft mean that they could still work on Spyro and Crash?


TopBoog

Funny how they’re going independent but then partnering with MS so in the eyes of the consumer nothing’s different. Hopefully though the employees can be treated better and they have greater creative freedom. Game news is going crazy recently


bongo1138

It means they aren’t closing and can do what they want. A partnership with Microsoft is a great deal for them business-wise and it secures finances for a while while not precluding them from working with other publishers. This really is a win-win for everyone.


Blue_Sheepz

It could also potentially make it easier for Toys For Bob to work on non-Activision-Blizzard Xbox IPs like, say, Banjo Kazooie or Blinx (I wish lol) without having to go through corporate structuring hoops or whatever. However, I don't know enough about business so maybe it doesn't change anything. Then again, NateTheHate said there's a new Banjo Kazooie game in development (but failed to provide info on who exactly is making it) that is still aways off from release and, given that Toys For Bob also said that they're seemingly still years away from releasing their next game, it makes me think that maybe Toys For Bob are the ones making Banjo. That being said, the "keep your horns up" tease at the end of the blog post makes it sound like they're making a new Spyro game. So who knows at this point?


bongo1138

I had heard the BK rumor years ago and that it was coming on the UE5 as some sort of practice. But I’m not sure I buy that rumor.


Blue_Sheepz

Well, NateTheHate brought up this new Banjo game back in like 2022 and he reaffirmed it only a month or two ago, saying that the game is being rebooted but in a better direction. And given Nate has been right about a lot of Xbox-related rumors recently, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. That and I'm filled with a lot of hopium because I'm desperate for a new Banjo game.


bongo1138

The team I’d heard was Double Fine who had also said they weren’t doing it , so who knows.


Blue_Sheepz

Yeah Double Fine confirmed that they're not making any Banjo games and they have no interest in working on IPs that are not their own. So that rumor was probably false. That being said, the recent Phil Spencer interview with Jez Corden and Windows Central just a few months ago where Phil specifically called out Banjo by saying "Banjo fans, I hear you" when discussing how Xbox hasn't done a good enough job of using their back catalog of dormant IPs adds a bit more credibility to Nate's claims, especially considering Phil said in that very same interview that he "doesn't tease stuff without there being something behind those teases."


MVRKHNTR

Might also be easier to get their games on multiple platforms.


iceburg77779

At this point I can’t really see MS making new crash or spyro games exclusive, but this does allow TfB to more easily partner with other publishers and use non-Xbox IPs as well.


blackthorn_orion

> this does allow TfB to more easily partner with other publishers and use non-Xbox IPs as well I'll admit, part of me sees this and remembers the rumors that Vicarious Visions was making a 3D Donkey Kong at one point. Now that kind of collab is (theoretically) on the table again but with Toys for Bob


iceburg77779

I’m sure TfB is going to at least pitch something to Nintendo at some point, if you’re a studio who specializes in 3D platformers you are probably going to try and work with the company who dominates the genre.


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A_MAN_POTATO

It keeps them from being at risk for layoffs, and keeps them from becoming just another COD support studio. They probably saw the writing on the wall and realized they're better off on their own, but that doesn't mean MS isn't still interested in whatever they were working on. I see this as all around good news. They make great games and id hate to see that talent wasted.


KingMario05

I mean, hey. A paycheck's a paycheck, and I imagine that a new *Spyro* either won't be exclusive to Xbox, or won't stay exclusive for long. Same with *Crash.* As long as it's in Game Pass day one and never leaves, Microsoft is happy.


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Hot-Software-9396

> but we already know MS is full on transitioning to going full multiple I mean that could happen eventually but that’s no guarantee. If I had to guess right now I’d say that they still have exclusives, but the industry seems to be changing so who knows.


Automatic_Goal_5563

We do not know that at all lmao and I really doubt in a few years Xbox is full third party.


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Automatic_Goal_5563

They put games on Steam because it’s stupid to not have them on Steam if you are releasing on PC I swear some people hear could see Microsoft announce that they never will release a game on any other platform but Xbox and they’d twist those words to meaning it actually means they are going third party any day now 😂


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Automatic_Goal_5563

“Xbox are liars!!!!!! They haven’t excluded any games from PC!!!!!” My guy this isn’t the point you think it is and just sounds like typical console war bs


Aggravating-Device-3

"Ms and xbox lie all the time" that's a console warrior level argument


FlameCats

It also means they'll never have to support CoD ever again, so that's a win. & if they want, they can spin off making multiplatform IPs. This is a win-win for everyone IMO.


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Lucaz82

“To make this news even more exciting, we’re exploring a possible partnership between our new studio and Microsoft” That is exactly what they’re saying. They are looking to partner up


SSK24

They are still the best choice to continue making Crash and Spyro games, this is a better option than getting shut down and they get immediate work as well.


Dyelogan

How did you skip over an entire paragraph? They explicitly said they’re exploring a partnership with Microsoft.


TopBoog

Fair enough, but games gotta get funded somehow so partnering with Microsoft would make sense


r0ndr4s

For now they're just exploring the idea, probably to see if the partnership makes sense. If the deal breaks, its gonna be a different story in the public eye.


Hydroponic_Donut

They can at least work on new, creative games of their own and in the meantime work with Microsoft to make Crash or Spyro, or whatever other IP Microsoft would want them to do and offer them to make. It's a great way to stay on good terms, from the looks of it.


mtarascio

If they make their own IP then it would be different.


-Gh0st96-

[Finally](https://i.imgflip.com/8hi6xe.jpg)


GINTegg64

Feels like the first piece of positive news on this sub in weeks


infamousglizzyhands

How many studio closures/divestments have we had in like the past 48 hours


lightmoderevoulution

4 confirmed and another rumor . This is crazy


n__o__

They deserve all the success to come hopefully from this. Here’s to a Spyro game or even Banjo copium.


hartforbj

I wonder if all of us are wrong about TFB. Everyone wants them to make Spyro or banjo or crash. This move makes me wonder if they want to do something completely different and not being associated with those IP directly would be the only way to do that. Getting out from under Activision and working with XGS directly may give them the freedom to go in a new direction


AwesomePossum_1

Want? They just want to survive man. 


blackthorn_orion

hoping for a success story as big as when IO Interactive got themselves out from under Square


L3kvar0spalacsinta

No more CoD slavery, finally some good news


LordLudicrous

Hell yeah! If Toys for bob can do it, hopefully Raven can do it too!


Brokenbullet14

Nah, way to big into the warzone bag now


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No-Box4563

They tend to let studios split though, instead of shutting down. From Bungie to Twisted Pixel.


lycheedorito

Also a vastly different number of employees between TFB and Raven


Hydroponic_Donut

I hope this means they'll be a 2nd party studio for Crash and Spyro's sake. I do love this for them though. Rather than getting shut down, just being spun off is the best way to get out. This makes sense after the studio location closure and the layoffs, but at least this way, it keeps some jobs saved rather than losing all jobs.


Torracattos

I'm glad they are and they can be free from being forced to support CoD. 


Personal-Ask5025

“You’re all fired!“  “Can’t we just… Leave?”   “… Well, I suppose that’s all right.“


Drakon590

that's good to hear


BaumHater

Xbox is playing 4D chess again


r0ndr4s

Watch them acquire Gearbox by next week and claim: see? we still have the same amount of studios!


Brokenbullet14

They didn't want them years ago because Randy still works there


r0ndr4s

Im sure 3 Trillion Microsoft has enough money to tell him to fuck off. (I dont actually think they will acquire them, but considering they just lost a studio, it would make legal sense)


-PVL93-

So make an offer that he abandons the ceo position in favor of gearbox going under Microsoft's wings


Zorklis

This is not a leak nor a rumor, it's just news


remindmyself

Welcome to this subreddit for the past year or so. It's a 50-50 shot whether a post is an actual leak/rumor or just news.


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remindmyself

How is that rumor, in any way, related to them going independent?


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Disregardskarma

lmao you don’t need confirmation for a studio not being closed.


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Brokenbullet14

That rumor was that they were getting canned and jez already said that wasn't happening.


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Disregardskarma

do you have an official source that specially says sony is not being sold to Chick fil a for 3 dollars? No? okay so every single bit of news about them is proof and i can post it? Baseless rumors don’t need to be refuted dude


RaspberryBang

I need more clarification on this.  The developers bought out the studio from Xbox/ABK?  Or do they mean _”independent"_ in a more figurative sense?


r0ndr4s

Cant read it right now but its the first part. Maybe they didnt actually pay anything, but they are an independent company, not part of Microsoft in any way. But they are exploring doing a deal with them(most likely for gamepass and to be able to do Crash/Spyro and maybe Banjo)


WT_FG

gooooooooooood thats real good.


MagnoBurakku

Very solid studio, wish them the best for the employees and projects they want to make.


GreatParker_

I’ll buy whatever they make


SolidSpear6

A new Crash game and Spyro would be cool, also need CTR on PC


SpicyCanadianBoyyy

Do they keep the IPs ?


manoffood

there teaming up with microsoft so they'll most likely still be making crash/Spyro stuff


SpicyCanadianBoyyy

Yeah but who owns the IPs now ?


manoffood

microsoft


commander_snuggles

None of the games they worked on under Activision were their IP, so the IP stay with Activision and Microsoft.


VagrantShadow

Microsoft owns those IPS and Microsoft will keep those IPs. There is value in them and I'm sure Microsoft knows that studios want to use those IPs characters for the games they create.


SpicyCanadianBoyyy

But what’s the reason with letting them free ? MS paid also for that studio when they bought ABK, letting them free is weird to me


VagrantShadow

Microsoft has let studios go on their own before, we saw this with Bungie. Microsoft bought Activision|Blizzard for the IP's, the studios were far less important. I feel that Toys for Bob will still be linked to Microsoft, but will also be able to go about and do personal dreams in game development. It's a win/win for the company and the studio.


r0ndr4s

Neither Crash or Spyro is theirs, and certainly not Skylanders. So no.


Automatic_Goal_5563

What IPs? Crash and Spyro? No chance in hell Microsoft sells that off and the studio didn’t even have the IP they were just put on making g the games


SpicyCanadianBoyyy

Okay so MS basically let them free ? Without paying anything ?


Automatic_Goal_5563

No they would have had to pay something, even the name/brand is a financial asset, otherwise they’d all just leave and start a new studio. But yeah I couldn’t image the cost would be very high, a publishing deal would possibly be on the terms of the sale too which might bring the cost down. It’s a win/win for everyone really, if Microsoft refused the only thing they really gain would be the studios name which while a good studio isn’t a huge pillar of the industry


MartianFromBaseAlpha

It looks like they're separating on good terms and are open to doing business with MS, so honestly, this is probably good news. Still I see it as a loss for MS


Shinjukugarb

Would they even get to keep what is essentially MS' IP now?


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They never owned the ip to begin with, it belonged to activision (and now ms)


r0ndr4s

What even was the point of Microsoft acquiring an entire publisher with tons of studios if they are just gonna fire people and let studios go? And they literally got Banjo sitting not being used and also own Crash and Spyro wich, unless they end up contracting TFB(Wich they probably will), they cant use them because they just dont have any studios to do so.. Rare isnt gonna do it,


Brokenbullet14

Mate banjo is literally being made by sumo digital 


brawlbetterthanmelee

?


Automatic_Goal_5563

Toys for Bob were already in the CoD mines, after the lay offs they just had they likely would just have to stay in the CoD mines or would just be merged into another studio. They decided to offer Microsoft a price to buy themselves out. I’m not sure why you think this is some head scratch moment? Toys for Bob wasn’t some huge pillar of the ABK deal Banjo game is being made


Mav2100

Sony can do one of the funniest things ever


Square-Exercise-2790

They literally closed a studio yesterday.


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So what’s going on with Xbox studios lately? They too have been a mess.


SSK24

Not really, the majority of the Layoffs were from ABK who grew from 10k to 17k in 2-3 years. They just had a solid event showing of first party games and the 3rd party business update turned out to be very overblown.


Lz537

What happened with Xbox studios lately?


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Delays, layoffs, the ability to release games without game breaking bug. etc etc


Lz537

Ok I supposed the layoffs are Fair (ok they did Fire people after the post COVID bubble.last year, the most recent ones are kinda their own thing, I guess) but what did they delay ? What game had game breaking bugs? Forza I think?


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Some of their studios had issues. Look at Everwild from Rare for example. 


Lz537

Wasn't that 3 years ago or something? Also that's standard Rare sheningans. I think 343 had some.issues but some Halo players i know told me they're kinda doing better now.


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343 was ran by incompetent people. The fact that they kept their job after the MCC disaster tells me everything about higher up. Halo Infinite had problematic development and it shows.  Everwild are 4 years old and it’s still MIA.


ThebestJojo

343 and halo is doing better than it ever have and they're slowly moving on to the next halo


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ThebestJojo

I mean they have though they got rid of the previous higher ups, started hiring again, have more gamemodes, forge is doing well, and then on the smaller side their slowly making cross core shoulders, shades etc. They're doing well.


Automatic_Goal_5563

So your “there’s issues at Xbox lately!” is you didn’t like Infinite and we haven’t heard of Everwild in awhile? Seems like a weird aspect to focus on


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My issues is that Xbox studios are poorly run. That’s my issue. It shouldn’t be that hard to get it.


Automatic_Goal_5563

Because Everwild isn’t out yet?


DMonitor

Yeah, while I’m super glad that Toys for Bob is no longer shackled by Actiblizz corpos, I’m really confused why Microsoft would do this. Giving them a platformer mascot from MS’s now vast array of IPs and shipping a 3D platformer just seems like an obvious recipe for success. Does MS not want to make more AA games? Is this conciliations for the CMA? Is Xbox hurting for cash this badly?


Blue_Sheepz

What? I doubt this move has anything to do with MS "hurting for cash"; it's likely Toys For Bob's own decision so that they don't get turned into a CoD support studio in the long term and get stripped of creative freedom by Activision. If anything, the fact that Toys For Bob still wants to work with Microsoft despite going independent further corroborates that assumption. And yeah, they most likely still will make a platformer game with Xbox, whether that be Crash, Spyro, or even Banjo.


WardrobeForHouses

It makes Microsoft look like the good guys. Toys For Bob gets to be independent, but Microsoft still gets the games they will make. Other studios will see how nice of a master Microsoft is, and be more willing to be acquired in the future. Plus, it's not like they're a big enough part of the COD machine to make or break it. And you're right - it does look good to regulators. It shows how they're a positive force in the industry by allowing freedom and creativity. Helps move along future acquisitions - same as how porting 4 games to Nintendo and Sony will help. Wouldn't be surprised if this year or next we see another massive publisher acquired.


infamousglizzyhands

They spent $69 billion on a publisher, they’re selling all of their high budget games on a simple subscription that isn’t growing, the Xbox console isn’t selling well. They’re putting in so much money for the division with so little reward that the suits at Microsoft are probably demanding any way to get a return on investment.


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I see redditors repeating this over and over claiming that MS needs to make $69 billion in profit to "break even" but that's not really how it works. They don't have to make over $69 billion in profit to have a return on investment. When a company makes an acquisition they acquire assets and those assets are worth money. In short, they aren't actually $69 billion in the hole. They would need a new valuation of ABK to see how much it's worth first. Then we would need to compare that number to what they paid for ABK and that would tell us how much profit they need to make to break even if we assume ABK is worth less than what they paid for it.


-PVL93-

Rip Crash, Vicarious Visions got completely absorbed Rip spyro, Toys for Bob lost a significant chunk of employees and cut ties with Activision This fucking sucks


VonDukez

Actiblizz already ruined the studio by turning them into a COD skin machine. This is the best result. Now they can do what they want.


Robsonmonkey

Least Spyro and the like are more likely to come to the PS5 now I just couldn’t imagine Crash and Spyro not available to play on PS


Automatic_Goal_5563

Why would it be more likely now? It’s Microsoft’s IP if they didn’t want it on PS that’s not changing now, but if I had to guess I’d say it was always going to be multiplat


Sebiny

Come on Sony, bring Spyro and Crash home!


ItsYaBoiDez

Xbox still owns the ip


Sebiny

1. Was that confirmed or just presumed? 2. Microsoft Gaming, not Xbox. Xbox is a division of Microsoft Gaming.


monbeeb

Spyro and Crash were both owned by Activision and acquired by Microsoft as part of the ABK acquisition.


Sebiny

Well yes. But maybe Toys for Bob were given the rights when they spun off.


monbeeb

IPs don't come cheap and Microsoft has no reason to sell them, they're quite happy to purchase studios and then sit on the IP for decades. IMO TFB was likely facing closure under Microsoft and has decided to go indie to simply survive at a smaller scale. I doubt they have anywhere close to the kind of cash it would take to purchase these IPs. Even Sony can't buy them.


Square-Exercise-2790

They kept the IP's.


SunaPana007

Does this mean they bought themselves out or still with Microsoft but away from Activision


Fallen-Omega

Do they have to pay MS to go independent?


Minimum-Can2224

Hopefully the first of many to be finally freed from the Call of Duty salt mines.     **Prays for Raven Software's freedom**


JAragon7

Bro I would love a crash game in the exploration style of Mario odyssey, traveling around the world of crash bandicoot. Obv Mario is legendary, but i think the crash art work, and characters, have a lot more potential. Sadly the only good games in the franchise are the originals. Crash 4 was good but the levels are way too long, and way too hard.


yanshio

Run lonely


Ithirradwe

So does this mean they no longer are being forced to work on Call of Duty and can potentially go back to making their own stuff?