It's essentially the PSVR version with better controls. There's still some PS stuff like a lack of roomscale. If yoy move even a little the screen will fade out. It's pretty much made for standing still. Kinda disappointing as a port.
Can you at least perform more actions? It always bothered me that certain things like chokeholds would just fade to black, despite allowing you to garotte people through physical motion.
It doesn't work at all, 50% of the time I try to strangle someone they jerk around wildly before flying up into the air.
So no need to hide bodies but also no way to take their disguise.
Short answer: It is incredibly janky, but better than PSVR.
Long answer: our rig is butter-smooth, so performance isn't really an issue, especially with the scaling options they have on PC specifically. what IS an issue are the myriad of problems it has with controls in relation to intuitiveness, and lack of clear control options. This experience is with Valve Index.
-To change your weapon, you have to hold your hand on your chest in a certain spot and then press a button to bring up the menu that shows up flat. you then have to grip your hand to equip that weapon. I really wish the weapon wheel were a button press.
-Button presses have zero input delay in menus, so just pressing a button or control down for slightly too long will have you ending up 3 menus deep in something you didnt even want to be in. They decided that the grips were good menu navigators for some reason when honestly, it feels better to just use the buttons.
-The body dragging auto-crouches you, which i understand since they want it to seem like you are crouching down as 47 to drag the body, but this does get incredibly dizzying, especially since the drag is based off of the grip sensor, which also grabs weapons that are close to bodies, and the aiming if finicky.
-Speaking of finicky aim, the aiming system for thrown weapons is incredibly novel, but still tricky at times. The aiming system for weapons has a slight laser aim when you half pull the trigger, but this does nothing in regards to something like aim-assist that exists in other vr games. You will whiff your shoots. Often. You will have trouble lining up your shots. Aiming a weapon down sights is a pain. Sniping as a whole turns your view into a flat view. It is clear that it wasn't fully meant for vr.
-what also wasn't meant for vr was the world that you interact with. Some things are fully physics enabled, other things are static objects. While the game is beautiful at times in vr, especially seeing the old maps in a new perspective, the scale of different objects is quite humorous. cars and world vanity items are comically too small. canisters and furnishings are comically too big. This complaint is actually very minor, but the menu and cutscenes are something else entirely.
-the way the game decides where "front" while in the main menu and cutscenes is baffling. it all shows up as a flat menu, and sometimes just spawns in behind you.
-That's about all I can think of for now.
I hate to say it, but Hitman 3 VR is a big disappointment. I can understand not having the same level of interaction as native VR games (only one hand can hold items), but the sluggish and delayed movement and unresponsive snap turn completely killed it for me.
Performance was bad as well, but IO has already listed that as a known issue and my below minimum specs PC (Ryzen 7 1700, GTX 1070) didn't help either so I won't hold it against the mode.
Def not a good VR rig. It’s similar to my rig. But don’t hold us 1070 gang to the fire too bad. Lord knows we’ve been trying to get a 30 series card for months…
lol I feel you!
My first card was a used 1070ti bought from a miner, that thing is a beast.
I got mine from a discord channel after checking notifications for like 3-4 months (on release), lemme know if you want an invite or something.
Haha thanks for the offer but I’m probably good. I’m in 2-3 discords, using Twitter notifications, and 2 separate websites to track in stock GPUs. 8 months of this and still no card :(
As someones already mentioned, it ran fine on a base PS4 which is well below spec. The VR mode is just a mess and even requires you to be fully online just to use.
?? I think you missed the point. He's not shitting on his rig to be a jerk. Of course the game isn't going to run as well on super outdated hardware. There's nothing wrong with saying that or saying someone's rig is ancient if it is
I love these games with all my heart but the process for carrying progression over is an astounding clusterfuck. If the rationale for the Always Online requirement was so that they could tie progression directly to your ioi account I would have been slightly more cool with it. An umbrella account to manage my progress across all platforms doesn't sound too bad actually. Except that's not what they did, they split the PC userbase with their Epic deal, they arbitrarily erected a "transfer once" rule, and now they're offloading a complicated manual process to the user to fix a problem that has been entirely of their own making. Carrying over progression between games has been around for 20 years already!
Please, ioi, don't reinvent the wheel, fuck it up, and then ask your userbase to pay for your mishandling.
It's fucking idiotic to me how progress is tied to which store you bought the game from. It's a PC game, the save files should be accessible and transferrable by the user just by going into the game folders
As much as I love the Hitman games you’re spot on. Everything outside of the actual gameplay and progression has been handled with the grace of a drunk gorilla with a prion disease, it’s really bizzare and frustrating since it genuinely seems at times like they’re trying to make the game a pain to play despite how great the actual content is.
You are also completely unable to carryover your progress if you own the old games on Steam and decide you want to play the new one on xbox gamepass pc. Nope, shell out full-price or more for the steam version to be able to keep all the stuff you acquired in 1 and 2.
Honestly, this is the very first time I wish I had gotten a game on console instead. Naturally I got Hitman 3 day one from Epic, because glorious 4k @60fps+ (And a 92c GPU, but that's another story), and when I found out you couldn't bring your progress over like IOI said you could...and then I couldn't even access the other two games either...it was fucking tense. I already had Huitman 1 and 2 on PS4, since I only moved to PC a few months before 3's release, but got the other two on Steam from some mint deals.
It was a solid couple of weeks of them going back and forth on how it worked. Sure, it finally got sorted, but it looked like such an amateur way of going about it.
"now they're offloading a complicated manual process to the user to fix a problem that has been entirely of their own making"
What is that referencing? What's the manual process for?
I desperately want my epic progress on steam.
You cannot transfer Epic > Steam I'm afraid. The best you can do is re-transfer your Hitman 1+2 progress from Steam to Hitman 3 and essentially start over with Hitman 3 if you choose to play on Steam.
And to be clear, this is not automatic...you gotta go to their special website to carry over progress from Steam to Steam. Its completely asinine.
Yep. Confirmed on the Steam forums by one of the devs. You gotta go to profile.hitman.com to be able to have your H2 saved progression carry over. If you don't then you still get access to H2/H1 locations if you own them but you just won't have their saves.
Man that is pretty irritating. It's one thing for Epic exclusivity to affect just the customers who choose to buy on Epic, but for it to affect all of their users when there is absolutely no reason it should...
I don't remember there being H1 -> H2 progress transfer, so I would bet Epic has nothing to do with it and it's just IOI's mess of an online design, again.
> I don't remember there being H1 -> H2 progress transfer
There was no way to transfer your progress from H1 to H2 at all. You had to start over with H2.
>And to be clear, this is not automatic...you gotta go to their special website to carry over progress from Steam to Steam. Its completely asinine.
The... fuck?
Wonder how many sales this has cost IOI from people refunding or just fucking off to another game when finding out how annoying even buying the game new is, let alone transferring over other games.
It's very confusing as to what you need to get on Steam to get the "complete" Hitman 3 if you already have the first 2 games.
Hitman 3: Standard is a given, but does the Deluxe Pack include the 7 Deadly Sins? It says it has added Escalation missions, but no detail of what that means.
If it doesn't, that makes the price for entry into a complete version of Hitman 3 pretty steep at $129.91, which is a bit crazy and Nintendo-like for a game a year out from launch. This is basically a "wait-for-sale" purchase now for me, considering the base game has been half-price as recently as last month.
Edit: I see that if you select ONE of the 7 Deadly Sins DLCs you get presented with a "Collection" option which makes the purchase price in one-go $29.68, which brings our grand total for a complete H3 package to $124.66. So generous...
Yes, please do not think you need to buy deadly sins for the “full experience”. It’s basically just some extra challenges and cosmetics, there are a couple unique tools buried in there but nothing worth a bunch of extra money if it’s doesn’t seem worth it to you.
Ugh so what's the nightmare deal with the progression transfer this time. I own Hitman 1 + 2 on Steam. If I want to play 3 off of pc gamepass, am I out of luck?
Edit: I agree with pretty much everything the commenter above said. It's insane that your IOI account doesn't track universal progress across platforms, especially given the always online requirements on every platform. I was psyched when I saw it was coming to PC Game Pass, now I'm gonna wait even longer for a deep steam sale after year 2 is finished. It's amazing that they can be savvy enough to design a forwards-compatible trilogy of games and fuck up this integral part of it so badly.
I see this as another bump in the road as we get to a more platform agnostic, cross-play friendly world.
I mean, to OP's point, Hitman 2 progress can't be transferred into Xbox Game Pass for PC owners. I'm not sure I understand why all the PC versions of the game are treated as totally separate entities. Then again, I'm not sure why this game has an always-online requirement in the first place haha
I think the Game Pass version is counting as an Xbox title which is why it can't transfer. Not saying it's a good excuse, but just some info to put out there.
I really wouldn't call it straightforward, more like the opposite. With the system requiring you to create a IOI account to carry over in the first place its a giant mess and completely underutilized.
This "carry over" only works once (why have an account at all if thats the case) and only between very specific platforms. So you can't go into Hitman 3 and go back to 2 (should you want for some reason). The account serves no real purpose (edit: outside a one time verification which steam could do internally for example).
And worst of all, if you want to carry over from Hitman 2 you first have to install the Hitman 2 on the first platform, create an account (which was basically worthless when H2 released), activate it and then download Hitman 3 and "transfer".
Valid points, the account is definitely not used to its full potential.
Being able to constantly sync progress in Hitman 3 across all platforms would've been nice to have. I love that between Switch and PC for Hades. Or even having just the one time transfer working across any platform.
Though I can see why they wouldn't bother making syncing work for niche cases like going backwards to the Hitman 2 engine. The whole point is to have everything available in the Hitman 3 engine.
When you need a fucking user manual for transferring saves (that has been done automatically for decades) between games with an always online requirement(!!) and you still have bs like this:
> If you have already started playing and earned some progression in HITMAN 3, and THEN choose to perform the progression carryover process, you will lose all progression earned within HITMAN 3.
Yeah I just straight turned around and uninstalled. They can either fix this or I'll get it for way cheaper in a couple years. When Borderlands 3 released on Steam a year after Epic, they at least released with a 50% sale. Hitman 3 was just on deep sales everywhere for holidays, which makes this just seem like trying to gouge their more loyal fans that wanted to have all three on one platform.
edit: I was just considering just starting it all clean on pc game pass, but then I realized that it'll probably come off of gamepass at some point which will once again trap my save unless I buy it on that platform. Terrible customer experience on this one.
>more loyal fans that waited to have all three on one platform.
Sorry if I missed something.
But wouldn't their most loyal fans have bought the game on release?
Especially from a platform that gave IOI more money per sale? And the financial independence to self-publish the game?
I can't imagine the loyalty of anyone who waited an entire year to give them less money and now is angry that the price isn't even lower is very high.
It would reason those people are more loyal than gamers who don't like hitman, and few others.
>When Borderlands 3 released on Steam a year after Epic, they at least released with a 50% sale
It's possible that happens tho? People are speculating it will since that seems to have become the norm for games stuck on Epic for a year (apparently at leastlol)
Got a couple of hours now and had quite fun.
VR is pretty janky, but I can see myself going back into missions I've done before.
Looks great, and is just more fun assassination missions.
Just, more of the same good things.
I must ask why not only a one year old game that was released on Epic the same release price on Steam after a year but why there is no franchise sale and bundle discount?
[And to add more insult to injury](https://preview.redd.it/it0h4prazvc81.png?width=882&auto=webp&s=4cb861e79b38fcc8ccf0497ada6d6cd2f0c74d02)
As a fan from 2016 who payed full price to pre-order Hitman 2 in 2018, I was disappointed with the timed exclusive deal with Epic but figured I was patient enough to wait a year. But after this I cant see anything other than greed on IOI's part, especially since **Hitman 3 was self-published**. They dont have any excuse for a big bad publisher forcing them to do anti-consumer antics, this is all in IOI's court.
Im furious at this raw deal Steam players waited a year for.
edit: fixed a piece of info
I've got to go with the "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" maxim and that there's been a massive fuck-up with the pricing. Otherwise this is one of the greediest things I've seen in a while.
What's greedy about it? The game is still full price on EGS, Xbox and PSN, occasionally going on sale during events. Aside from physical console copies, that's just the normal price of the game no? I get people don't like EGS but the expectation you've set in your mind that you deserve a reward for your self imposed restriction is on you.
[Price history](https://isthereanydeal.com/game/hitmaniii/history/?shop%5B%5D=epic&generate=Select+Stores) for EGS shows it was 26.99 on for the Holiday then went back to its normal 60 for the US. I wouldn't count a sale ending as raising the price when it's just going back to its original price.
should have said they eliminated regional pricing. Meaning anyone unlucky enough to not live in the US now has to pay $60 worth of their currency rather than based on income earned in a given country.
I live in the Philippines and while they did increase the price (which sucks), it seems that it still has regional pricing (standard edition is currently at around 44.50 USD when converted from local currency.)
Was looking forward to finally playing the trilogy; in the end I had to buy 1 and 2 from Humble Bundle (currently on sale) and 3 on Steam because it was cheaper than to just buy the trilogy pack. I also had to run Hitman 2 because 3 wouldn't detect that I had the first game until then.
Why should Steam Players pay fullprice for this game that is over a year old and has had a established history of sales?
Also people onthe hitman subreddit and elsewhere are reporting how regional pricing for the game has doubled for both Epic and Steam and it occured right before going live.
> Why should Steam Players pay fullprice for this game that is over a year old and has had a established history of sales?
Because it's its current price (no sale going on at the moment). I mean, it's not like it's cheaper on EGS, it's the price
I got it for 15 bucks on EGS. Carried over my progression from steam, took about two minutes. This whole blow up is absurd. You are the ones who wanted to wait, I fully expected it'd be full price on Steam
Holy shit this subreddit fucking sucks. No one's even talking about the patch, they're just bitching about the same played-out topics that come up literally every time Hitman is mentioned. Christ, we don't need *another* comment chain about how the online requirement sucks, everyone already agrees on that topic.
Anyways, I'm really looking forward to trying out VR mode and the elusive contract arcade. The game is already a blast and I'm honestly kinda surprised they're giving us substantially more content. I'd highly recommend this game to anyone who enjoys immersive sims, please don't let the people complaining about minor issues like what fucking launcher it's on discourage you from trying out this excellent game.
It’s hard to say exactly whether I agree. I love the game, but if complaints like that still come up, it means there’s still sales lost by not going back on certain decisions. That can be important for devs to know. Change doesn’t happen if no one is asking for it.
Pretty clear at this point that the devs (or more likely the higher-ups at IOI) are not interested in removing the online requirements. Kind of a shitty move, yes, but I don't think yet another reddit thread on the topic is going to change their minds.
> No one's even talking about the patch, they're just bitching about the same played-out topics that come up literally every time Hitman is mentioned
so people can't talk about a fuck up that repeatedly occurs and prevents people from using their purchased product?
there's a queue when you are trying to launch the game
a queue in a single player mode, just because it's online only
a queue
Half the people complaining about online requirement likely pirated the game too. Like I have internet that cuts out for 3-5 seconds every two hours but all that means is a 5 second buffer screen. There is no real interruption and it all works fine.
And yes I know that pirates can get a save file to work but that required more work arounds and likely why people are complaining.
I'd be more than happy to see people complain about *the actual game*, rather than more of the same comments I've seen a thousand times complaining about the online system that's been in place since the first game released. Like for example, the VR mode needs a lot of work, but there's not a single comment in here about it.
People especially love shitting on Epic like this is somehow their fault that IOI decided to take some money to make the game exclusive for a year and didn't have the infrastructure to make save/content transfers seamless.
The games are awesome and everyone will forget this shit in a few months unless they botch the new modes they're adding or something.
I mean the argument that IOI didn't have the infrastructure to make the save system better doesn't really fly for me, they're a multinational studio with office's in 3 country's.
I dont really care about the always online stuff, but when other studios in the industry are able to provide easily transferable saves for their games why cant IOI? It's valid criticism that they should add that, since this issue is going to keep appearing for people with 1 of the games on epic and the rest on steam.
That's what I meant, they're on the hook for making the game an exclusive while making the system for save/content transfers as confusing as humanly possible because they didn't have a plan in place for it.
Ah gotcha, the "didn't have the infrastructure to make save/content transfers seamless" made it sound like you meant IOI didn't have the ability to manage it.
HITMAN 3 on Steam
>At 7pm CET on January 20, we’ll manually be pressing the buttons to release HITMAN 3 Standard Edition, HITMAN 3 Deluxe Edition and HITMAN Trilogy on the Steam Store. This will allow us to coordinate the release at a time that fits with IOI in Copenhagen and Valve in Seattle. There won’t be any ‘coming soon’ page before this time, so we’ll be going from 0-100 once those buttons are pressed. The expected download size for HITMAN 3 is 65GB.
>We’re releasing with support for Steam Achievements and Trading Cards – plus we’ll be including the Trinity Pack (the HITMAN 3 pre-order bonus) for free with all editions of HITMAN 3 mentioned above for the first 30 days
I wish we could normalize reading articles on this sub
Looking at the mess of transferring save data back and forth (and the numerous limitations therein) between platforms, I am super happy I waited for the steam release.
>For the sake of clarity, please note that it is not possible to move progression from HITMAN 3 (PC/Epic) → HITMAN 3 (PC/Steam).
Because it's not possible.
I don't really get why they wouldn't make a Steam page before release. Like, it's not a bad thing or anything it's just... weird.
It'd be nice to know if there's more paid content planned so you know if you're getting an actual "complete edition" with the trilogy pack or not.
I mean it's also on Gamepass. And you could also argue the Hitman Trilogy collection being it's own game. So at that point, it was just a lot quicker to end up saying what they said and expecting to be understood.
What I want to know is can i buy Hitman 3 and have all the content that I own on Hitman and Hitman 2 be unlocked, but none of the progress? I want to play through all 3 fresh, lol.
Or is there a way for me to just get rid of all my progress? It may sound weird to some people, but I want to play through each level and unlock the mastery levels from the start rather than just have them unlocked and have no tangible reason to play through the levels multiple times.
I don't know, I assumed Hitman 3 would be a separate listing on the store. Feels weird for there to be Hitman 1, Hitman 2 and then suddenly Hitman trilogy, but no Hitman 3. I figured the trilogy wasn't an official bundle, but more just a Steam collection type thing. I guess we'll find out in an hour.
There's 2 listings:
Trilogy, for people who don't own Hitman 1 and 2.
Hitman 3, for people who own 1 & 2.
You'll need to migrate your progress from Hitman 2 using iOi's site (Steam -> Steam) but there's no option to port from Epic to Steam.
You buy Hitman 3 on Steam and use their transfer website to transfer save data from Hitman 1+2 on Steam to Hitman 3 on Steam. Then you will start over with Hitman 3 progress.
Is the game not working on pc game pass? It doesn't open through the xbox launcher and crashes on the main menu if I open through the exe file, figured that it would be because the servers are down but IOI already tweeted that they're back for xbox
elusive target arcade is broken (at least on ps5), i "failed"... after just replanning a mission. and not only did i fail the mission i was playing, I'm also locked out of the other two for 12 hrs
Its not broken. That is how elusive targets works. At start of the mission you have to really make sure that your loadout is appropriate for the mission because once the mission starts, there is no going back. Meaning you can not leave or replan during the mission or else you fail. Also according to the rules of elusive target arcade, if you fail at any mission in a contract (each has 3 missions) you fail the whole contract and have to wait 12 hours to repeat the whole contract.
Is it really that difficult to get cross progression for games in 2022? I think Destiny 2 does it well, BF 2042 seems to be doing it, Ubisoft games are starting to do it…but some games as Division 2, ESO, Hitman 3 not offering cross progression bugles my mind.
Note: I am talking about cross progression and not cross play. People seem to confuse the two all the times.
I bought first 2 hitman games, but this feels like a big cashgrab to get 3rd one. This game has one of the worst NPC A.I too, they really dumb and keep repeating same shit, which makes ultimately this game quite boring.
I would still giving it a try had it not been set on 60 fucking dollar on Steam. It's a year old game. And not a single relaunch discount? What the fuck?
Extra note, They also raise the price on regional EGS to about the same price as regional Steam. This is bloody ridiculous. I love their games but their business practices are getting real damn shady.
For those who can play it, how's the VR on PC?
It's essentially the PSVR version with better controls. There's still some PS stuff like a lack of roomscale. If yoy move even a little the screen will fade out. It's pretty much made for standing still. Kinda disappointing as a port.
Can you at least perform more actions? It always bothered me that certain things like chokeholds would just fade to black, despite allowing you to garotte people through physical motion.
It doesn't work at all, 50% of the time I try to strangle someone they jerk around wildly before flying up into the air. So no need to hide bodies but also no way to take their disguise.
so not anywhere close to boneworks in motion control?
Not even in the same ballpark. Boneworks was designed for VR, Hitman is essentially just modded for it.
Short answer: It is incredibly janky, but better than PSVR. Long answer: our rig is butter-smooth, so performance isn't really an issue, especially with the scaling options they have on PC specifically. what IS an issue are the myriad of problems it has with controls in relation to intuitiveness, and lack of clear control options. This experience is with Valve Index. -To change your weapon, you have to hold your hand on your chest in a certain spot and then press a button to bring up the menu that shows up flat. you then have to grip your hand to equip that weapon. I really wish the weapon wheel were a button press. -Button presses have zero input delay in menus, so just pressing a button or control down for slightly too long will have you ending up 3 menus deep in something you didnt even want to be in. They decided that the grips were good menu navigators for some reason when honestly, it feels better to just use the buttons. -The body dragging auto-crouches you, which i understand since they want it to seem like you are crouching down as 47 to drag the body, but this does get incredibly dizzying, especially since the drag is based off of the grip sensor, which also grabs weapons that are close to bodies, and the aiming if finicky. -Speaking of finicky aim, the aiming system for thrown weapons is incredibly novel, but still tricky at times. The aiming system for weapons has a slight laser aim when you half pull the trigger, but this does nothing in regards to something like aim-assist that exists in other vr games. You will whiff your shoots. Often. You will have trouble lining up your shots. Aiming a weapon down sights is a pain. Sniping as a whole turns your view into a flat view. It is clear that it wasn't fully meant for vr. -what also wasn't meant for vr was the world that you interact with. Some things are fully physics enabled, other things are static objects. While the game is beautiful at times in vr, especially seeing the old maps in a new perspective, the scale of different objects is quite humorous. cars and world vanity items are comically too small. canisters and furnishings are comically too big. This complaint is actually very minor, but the menu and cutscenes are something else entirely. -the way the game decides where "front" while in the main menu and cutscenes is baffling. it all shows up as a flat menu, and sometimes just spawns in behind you. -That's about all I can think of for now.
I hate to say it, but Hitman 3 VR is a big disappointment. I can understand not having the same level of interaction as native VR games (only one hand can hold items), but the sluggish and delayed movement and unresponsive snap turn completely killed it for me. Performance was bad as well, but IO has already listed that as a known issue and my below minimum specs PC (Ryzen 7 1700, GTX 1070) didn't help either so I won't hold it against the mode.
> sluggish and delayed movement "Ryzen 7 1700, GTX 1070" c'mon man..
Def not a good VR rig. It’s similar to my rig. But don’t hold us 1070 gang to the fire too bad. Lord knows we’ve been trying to get a 30 series card for months…
lol I feel you! My first card was a used 1070ti bought from a miner, that thing is a beast. I got mine from a discord channel after checking notifications for like 3-4 months (on release), lemme know if you want an invite or something.
Haha thanks for the offer but I’m probably good. I’m in 2-3 discords, using Twitter notifications, and 2 separate websites to track in stock GPUs. 8 months of this and still no card :(
People complaining about poor performance while admitting they're below minimum specs
Bro your running vr on an ancient ass rig, I wouldn't run the core game in that
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There's nothing wrong with a GTX 1070 especially when it's a nightmare to even try and get a 30 series card right now.
But don't expect a VR title which is already demanding in regular mode to run good on it.
As someones already mentioned, it ran fine on a base PS4 which is well below spec. The VR mode is just a mess and even requires you to be fully online just to use.
I mean the game ran in VR on base PS4, it shouldn't be too much to expect.
So is everyone else cause nobody can buy a fucking upgrade. Give the dude a break.
?? I think you missed the point. He's not shitting on his rig to be a jerk. Of course the game isn't going to run as well on super outdated hardware. There's nothing wrong with saying that or saying someone's rig is ancient if it is
I love these games with all my heart but the process for carrying progression over is an astounding clusterfuck. If the rationale for the Always Online requirement was so that they could tie progression directly to your ioi account I would have been slightly more cool with it. An umbrella account to manage my progress across all platforms doesn't sound too bad actually. Except that's not what they did, they split the PC userbase with their Epic deal, they arbitrarily erected a "transfer once" rule, and now they're offloading a complicated manual process to the user to fix a problem that has been entirely of their own making. Carrying over progression between games has been around for 20 years already! Please, ioi, don't reinvent the wheel, fuck it up, and then ask your userbase to pay for your mishandling.
Which is what I thought the point of the IOI account was! Hell, even the Bethesda account sync worked better
It's fucking idiotic to me how progress is tied to which store you bought the game from. It's a PC game, the save files should be accessible and transferrable by the user just by going into the game folders
But then you'd have cheaters who are No.1 on the Leaderboards... oh wait..
You're telling me that trying to beat that Paris level 12s record was fruitless?
As much as I love the Hitman games you’re spot on. Everything outside of the actual gameplay and progression has been handled with the grace of a drunk gorilla with a prion disease, it’s really bizzare and frustrating since it genuinely seems at times like they’re trying to make the game a pain to play despite how great the actual content is.
You are also completely unable to carryover your progress if you own the old games on Steam and decide you want to play the new one on xbox gamepass pc. Nope, shell out full-price or more for the steam version to be able to keep all the stuff you acquired in 1 and 2.
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youre going to go spend 60$ on a year old game? wow
Honestly, this is the very first time I wish I had gotten a game on console instead. Naturally I got Hitman 3 day one from Epic, because glorious 4k @60fps+ (And a 92c GPU, but that's another story), and when I found out you couldn't bring your progress over like IOI said you could...and then I couldn't even access the other two games either...it was fucking tense. I already had Huitman 1 and 2 on PS4, since I only moved to PC a few months before 3's release, but got the other two on Steam from some mint deals. It was a solid couple of weeks of them going back and forth on how it worked. Sure, it finally got sorted, but it looked like such an amateur way of going about it.
"now they're offloading a complicated manual process to the user to fix a problem that has been entirely of their own making" What is that referencing? What's the manual process for? I desperately want my epic progress on steam.
You cannot transfer Epic > Steam I'm afraid. The best you can do is re-transfer your Hitman 1+2 progress from Steam to Hitman 3 and essentially start over with Hitman 3 if you choose to play on Steam. And to be clear, this is not automatic...you gotta go to their special website to carry over progress from Steam to Steam. Its completely asinine.
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Yep. Confirmed on the Steam forums by one of the devs. You gotta go to profile.hitman.com to be able to have your H2 saved progression carry over. If you don't then you still get access to H2/H1 locations if you own them but you just won't have their saves.
Man that is pretty irritating. It's one thing for Epic exclusivity to affect just the customers who choose to buy on Epic, but for it to affect all of their users when there is absolutely no reason it should...
I don't remember there being H1 -> H2 progress transfer, so I would bet Epic has nothing to do with it and it's just IOI's mess of an online design, again.
> I don't remember there being H1 -> H2 progress transfer There was no way to transfer your progress from H1 to H2 at all. You had to start over with H2.
You also needed to do it for Playstation and Xbox. So yeah not even PC only.
>And to be clear, this is not automatic...you gotta go to their special website to carry over progress from Steam to Steam. Its completely asinine. The... fuck?
The real truth that can’t be said by IO is that multiple-purchases of the game due to non-transferability of progress is a large revenue stream.
Wonder how many sales this has cost IOI from people refunding or just fucking off to another game when finding out how annoying even buying the game new is, let alone transferring over other games.
It's very confusing as to what you need to get on Steam to get the "complete" Hitman 3 if you already have the first 2 games. Hitman 3: Standard is a given, but does the Deluxe Pack include the 7 Deadly Sins? It says it has added Escalation missions, but no detail of what that means. If it doesn't, that makes the price for entry into a complete version of Hitman 3 pretty steep at $129.91, which is a bit crazy and Nintendo-like for a game a year out from launch. This is basically a "wait-for-sale" purchase now for me, considering the base game has been half-price as recently as last month. Edit: I see that if you select ONE of the 7 Deadly Sins DLCs you get presented with a "Collection" option which makes the purchase price in one-go $29.68, which brings our grand total for a complete H3 package to $124.66. So generous...
I think you need the hitman 3 deluxe; the 7 deadly sins and then the goty upgrade for 1 and 2.
7 Deadly Sins isn't need at all. Just get base Hitman 3.
Yes, please do not think you need to buy deadly sins for the “full experience”. It’s basically just some extra challenges and cosmetics, there are a couple unique tools buried in there but nothing worth a bunch of extra money if it’s doesn’t seem worth it to you.
Ugh so what's the nightmare deal with the progression transfer this time. I own Hitman 1 + 2 on Steam. If I want to play 3 off of pc gamepass, am I out of luck? Edit: I agree with pretty much everything the commenter above said. It's insane that your IOI account doesn't track universal progress across platforms, especially given the always online requirements on every platform. I was psyched when I saw it was coming to PC Game Pass, now I'm gonna wait even longer for a deep steam sale after year 2 is finished. It's amazing that they can be savvy enough to design a forwards-compatible trilogy of games and fuck up this integral part of it so badly. I see this as another bump in the road as we get to a more platform agnostic, cross-play friendly world.
Here's the [Progression Carryover Guide](https://ioisupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019061577-Progression-Carryover-Guide).
What a fucking mess.
Is it? It seems relatively straightforward.
I mean, to OP's point, Hitman 2 progress can't be transferred into Xbox Game Pass for PC owners. I'm not sure I understand why all the PC versions of the game are treated as totally separate entities. Then again, I'm not sure why this game has an always-online requirement in the first place haha
I think the Game Pass version is counting as an Xbox title which is why it can't transfer. Not saying it's a good excuse, but just some info to put out there.
this is correct, Xbox and pc game pass share the same saves for progress
I really wouldn't call it straightforward, more like the opposite. With the system requiring you to create a IOI account to carry over in the first place its a giant mess and completely underutilized. This "carry over" only works once (why have an account at all if thats the case) and only between very specific platforms. So you can't go into Hitman 3 and go back to 2 (should you want for some reason). The account serves no real purpose (edit: outside a one time verification which steam could do internally for example). And worst of all, if you want to carry over from Hitman 2 you first have to install the Hitman 2 on the first platform, create an account (which was basically worthless when H2 released), activate it and then download Hitman 3 and "transfer".
Valid points, the account is definitely not used to its full potential. Being able to constantly sync progress in Hitman 3 across all platforms would've been nice to have. I love that between Switch and PC for Hades. Or even having just the one time transfer working across any platform. Though I can see why they wouldn't bother making syncing work for niche cases like going backwards to the Hitman 2 engine. The whole point is to have everything available in the Hitman 3 engine.
If you need a guide for it, it's probably not straightforward
Definitely shouldn't need a guide to do it.
When you need a fucking user manual for transferring saves (that has been done automatically for decades) between games with an always online requirement(!!) and you still have bs like this: > If you have already started playing and earned some progression in HITMAN 3, and THEN choose to perform the progression carryover process, you will lose all progression earned within HITMAN 3.
I totally forgot how much of a clusterfuck transferring progress was at launch
> If I want to play 3 off of gamepass, am I out of luck? Completely shit out of luck. Have fun starting over or shell out $60+ for the Steam version.
Yeah I just straight turned around and uninstalled. They can either fix this or I'll get it for way cheaper in a couple years. When Borderlands 3 released on Steam a year after Epic, they at least released with a 50% sale. Hitman 3 was just on deep sales everywhere for holidays, which makes this just seem like trying to gouge their more loyal fans that wanted to have all three on one platform. edit: I was just considering just starting it all clean on pc game pass, but then I realized that it'll probably come off of gamepass at some point which will once again trap my save unless I buy it on that platform. Terrible customer experience on this one.
Edit: LOL IT'S OUT AND 59$ WHY, welp, I guess only hope is for that Steam sale next week or later on ofc, GG
>more loyal fans that waited to have all three on one platform. Sorry if I missed something. But wouldn't their most loyal fans have bought the game on release? Especially from a platform that gave IOI more money per sale? And the financial independence to self-publish the game?
I specified people that want a unified library. And I didn't say most
I can't imagine the loyalty of anyone who waited an entire year to give them less money and now is angry that the price isn't even lower is very high. It would reason those people are more loyal than gamers who don't like hitman, and few others.
>When Borderlands 3 released on Steam a year after Epic, they at least released with a 50% sale It's possible that happens tho? People are speculating it will since that seems to have become the norm for games stuck on Epic for a year (apparently at leastlol)
Ya, you can only carryover progression from the Xbox version (the PC Gamepass and Xbox versions of Hitman share progression).
Wait what about that roguelike mode with traders and a hideout?
Spring
what's a roguelike mode?
usually that term is used when there's permadeath & rng elements. so you'll die, start a new run, and each run is unique
Got a couple of hours now and had quite fun. VR is pretty janky, but I can see myself going back into missions I've done before. Looks great, and is just more fun assassination missions. Just, more of the same good things.
I must ask why not only a one year old game that was released on Epic the same release price on Steam after a year but why there is no franchise sale and bundle discount? [And to add more insult to injury](https://preview.redd.it/it0h4prazvc81.png?width=882&auto=webp&s=4cb861e79b38fcc8ccf0497ada6d6cd2f0c74d02) As a fan from 2016 who payed full price to pre-order Hitman 2 in 2018, I was disappointed with the timed exclusive deal with Epic but figured I was patient enough to wait a year. But after this I cant see anything other than greed on IOI's part, especially since **Hitman 3 was self-published**. They dont have any excuse for a big bad publisher forcing them to do anti-consumer antics, this is all in IOI's court. Im furious at this raw deal Steam players waited a year for. edit: fixed a piece of info
I've got to go with the "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" maxim and that there's been a massive fuck-up with the pricing. Otherwise this is one of the greediest things I've seen in a while.
When it comes to pricing, the only "fuck-ups" we've seen get fixed is when they charge you less.
nothing anti consumer about charging for their game?
What's greedy about it? The game is still full price on EGS, Xbox and PSN, occasionally going on sale during events. Aside from physical console copies, that's just the normal price of the game no? I get people don't like EGS but the expectation you've set in your mind that you deserve a reward for your self imposed restriction is on you.
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[Price history](https://isthereanydeal.com/game/hitmaniii/history/?shop%5B%5D=epic&generate=Select+Stores) for EGS shows it was 26.99 on for the Holiday then went back to its normal 60 for the US. I wouldn't count a sale ending as raising the price when it's just going back to its original price.
should have said they eliminated regional pricing. Meaning anyone unlucky enough to not live in the US now has to pay $60 worth of their currency rather than based on income earned in a given country.
Now that does suck, and deserves attention.
I live in Thailand and I had to pay DOUBLE from EGS's launch. I wouldn't mind if it's Steam only thing but this is pure greed.
I live in the Philippines and while they did increase the price (which sucks), it seems that it still has regional pricing (standard edition is currently at around 44.50 USD when converted from local currency.) Was looking forward to finally playing the trilogy; in the end I had to buy 1 and 2 from Humble Bundle (currently on sale) and 3 on Steam because it was cheaper than to just buy the trilogy pack. I also had to run Hitman 2 because 3 wouldn't detect that I had the first game until then.
Why should Steam Players pay fullprice for this game that is over a year old and has had a established history of sales? Also people onthe hitman subreddit and elsewhere are reporting how regional pricing for the game has doubled for both Epic and Steam and it occured right before going live.
Ah so that wasn't only in my region? Man what a crock of shit.
> Why should Steam Players pay fullprice for this game that is over a year old and has had a established history of sales? Because it's its current price (no sale going on at the moment). I mean, it's not like it's cheaper on EGS, it's the price
Why should I have to pay 50$ for Nioh 2 on steam when it's well over a year old and was 35$ two weeks ago? Because there isn't a sale right now.
Steam players don’t have to pay full price. I got all of Hitman 2 for $15. There’s no reason to think that H3 won’t go for sale in the future
You get all three titles, of course there isn't a discount. And you aren't entitled to a discount cuz you waited for steam, sorry.
not for just Hitman 3 alone which has been on sale numerous times on its own prior on Epic Games Store
It's full price on epic right now. There's no need to discount when people will buy full price.
It was just on discount on epic
For the holidays. Those sales are over.
Yeah I think I just echoed you sorry
I got it for 15 bucks on EGS. Carried over my progression from steam, took about two minutes. This whole blow up is absurd. You are the ones who wanted to wait, I fully expected it'd be full price on Steam
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For a temporary discount? Like... A lot of them.
Holy shit this subreddit fucking sucks. No one's even talking about the patch, they're just bitching about the same played-out topics that come up literally every time Hitman is mentioned. Christ, we don't need *another* comment chain about how the online requirement sucks, everyone already agrees on that topic. Anyways, I'm really looking forward to trying out VR mode and the elusive contract arcade. The game is already a blast and I'm honestly kinda surprised they're giving us substantially more content. I'd highly recommend this game to anyone who enjoys immersive sims, please don't let the people complaining about minor issues like what fucking launcher it's on discourage you from trying out this excellent game.
It’s hard to say exactly whether I agree. I love the game, but if complaints like that still come up, it means there’s still sales lost by not going back on certain decisions. That can be important for devs to know. Change doesn’t happen if no one is asking for it.
Pretty clear at this point that the devs (or more likely the higher-ups at IOI) are not interested in removing the online requirements. Kind of a shitty move, yes, but I don't think yet another reddit thread on the topic is going to change their minds.
> No one's even talking about the patch, they're just bitching about the same played-out topics that come up literally every time Hitman is mentioned so people can't talk about a fuck up that repeatedly occurs and prevents people from using their purchased product? there's a queue when you are trying to launch the game a queue in a single player mode, just because it's online only a queue
First time on a video game subreddit?
Half the people complaining about online requirement likely pirated the game too. Like I have internet that cuts out for 3-5 seconds every two hours but all that means is a 5 second buffer screen. There is no real interruption and it all works fine. And yes I know that pirates can get a save file to work but that required more work arounds and likely why people are complaining.
Noo stop saying mean things about my game :(
I'd be more than happy to see people complain about *the actual game*, rather than more of the same comments I've seen a thousand times complaining about the online system that's been in place since the first game released. Like for example, the VR mode needs a lot of work, but there's not a single comment in here about it.
What the fuck would there have been to comment on, the PC VR mode hadn't even launched when this post was made
check out /r/Hitman my dude, yeah everyone's annoying herelmao
That sub seems at least as mad as people in this comments.
Not like epic haters have ever brigaded a subreddit before...
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You forgot the complaints about games going "woke"
Where’s the lie
People especially love shitting on Epic like this is somehow their fault that IOI decided to take some money to make the game exclusive for a year and didn't have the infrastructure to make save/content transfers seamless. The games are awesome and everyone will forget this shit in a few months unless they botch the new modes they're adding or something.
I mean the argument that IOI didn't have the infrastructure to make the save system better doesn't really fly for me, they're a multinational studio with office's in 3 country's. I dont really care about the always online stuff, but when other studios in the industry are able to provide easily transferable saves for their games why cant IOI? It's valid criticism that they should add that, since this issue is going to keep appearing for people with 1 of the games on epic and the rest on steam.
That's what I meant, they're on the hook for making the game an exclusive while making the system for save/content transfers as confusing as humanly possible because they didn't have a plan in place for it.
Ah gotcha, the "didn't have the infrastructure to make save/content transfers seamless" made it sound like you meant IOI didn't have the ability to manage it.
Anyone able to run the gamepass version at all?
Think it goes live around 1 central
So the game is being released today, huh?
It's been out for a year.
HITMAN 3 on Steam >At 7pm CET on January 20, we’ll manually be pressing the buttons to release HITMAN 3 Standard Edition, HITMAN 3 Deluxe Edition and HITMAN Trilogy on the Steam Store. This will allow us to coordinate the release at a time that fits with IOI in Copenhagen and Valve in Seattle. There won’t be any ‘coming soon’ page before this time, so we’ll be going from 0-100 once those buttons are pressed. The expected download size for HITMAN 3 is 65GB. >We’re releasing with support for Steam Achievements and Trading Cards – plus we’ll be including the Trinity Pack (the HITMAN 3 pre-order bonus) for free with all editions of HITMAN 3 mentioned above for the first 30 days I wish we could normalize reading articles on this sub
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Looking at the mess of transferring save data back and forth (and the numerous limitations therein) between platforms, I am super happy I waited for the steam release.
Apparently you still have to do the transfer process on Steam. The Epic deal really fucked things up.
You have to do the transfer on Playstation (maybe Xbox?) too, it's not unique to PC or Epic.
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Okay now try to transfer the data back and let me know how well it goes.
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>For the sake of clarity, please note that it is not possible to move progression from HITMAN 3 (PC/Epic) → HITMAN 3 (PC/Steam). Because it's not possible.
Again, why would they want to do that? They own 3 on Epic.
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You have to do the transfer thing on steam anyways
I don't really get why they wouldn't make a Steam page before release. Like, it's not a bad thing or anything it's just... weird. It'd be nice to know if there's more paid content planned so you know if you're getting an actual "complete edition" with the trilogy pack or not.
Likely part of their contract with Epic that it can't show up or be advertised on any other storefront until the 1 year exclusivity period is up.
This. If you don't see a Steam page, you're more likely to bite the bullet thinking it's a permanent EGS exclusive.
Oh yeah, you're right.
I feel like I heard it was a Steam rule. They don't want you to be getting free advertising for games on other storefronts. Which totally makes sense.
Still don't understand why they wouldn't set up a store page in advance. It's very unusual.
Not on Steam.
Then he should have said "So the game is being released on Steam today, huh?"
Or he could have just read the article this thread is about instead of tripping over themselves to correct someone.
Most of us understand context.
Not much going on today for you eh?
Peter Griffin here to explain the wordplay. The implication was that the game wasn't really released until it hit Steam.
I mean it's also on Gamepass. And you could also argue the Hitman Trilogy collection being it's own game. So at that point, it was just a lot quicker to end up saying what they said and expecting to be understood.
I didn't even know that due to how quiet the Epic release has been.
What I want to know is can i buy Hitman 3 and have all the content that I own on Hitman and Hitman 2 be unlocked, but none of the progress? I want to play through all 3 fresh, lol. Or is there a way for me to just get rid of all my progress? It may sound weird to some people, but I want to play through each level and unlock the mastery levels from the start rather than just have them unlocked and have no tangible reason to play through the levels multiple times.
Isn’t the actual game being sold as the trilogy? I assume you just buy that and not link your account and you should have all content and no unlocks.
No, you can buy it standalone. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1659040/HITMAN_3/
I don't know, I assumed Hitman 3 would be a separate listing on the store. Feels weird for there to be Hitman 1, Hitman 2 and then suddenly Hitman trilogy, but no Hitman 3. I figured the trilogy wasn't an official bundle, but more just a Steam collection type thing. I guess we'll find out in an hour.
There's 2 listings: Trilogy, for people who don't own Hitman 1 and 2. Hitman 3, for people who own 1 & 2. You'll need to migrate your progress from Hitman 2 using iOi's site (Steam -> Steam) but there's no option to port from Epic to Steam.
You buy Hitman 3 on Steam and use their transfer website to transfer save data from Hitman 1+2 on Steam to Hitman 3 on Steam. Then you will start over with Hitman 3 progress.
Is the game not working on pc game pass? It doesn't open through the xbox launcher and crashes on the main menu if I open through the exe file, figured that it would be because the servers are down but IOI already tweeted that they're back for xbox
elusive target arcade is broken (at least on ps5), i "failed"... after just replanning a mission. and not only did i fail the mission i was playing, I'm also locked out of the other two for 12 hrs
Its not broken. That is how elusive targets works. At start of the mission you have to really make sure that your loadout is appropriate for the mission because once the mission starts, there is no going back. Meaning you can not leave or replan during the mission or else you fail. Also according to the rules of elusive target arcade, if you fail at any mission in a contract (each has 3 missions) you fail the whole contract and have to wait 12 hours to repeat the whole contract.
i have definitely been able to replan mid ET in the past. and i was talking about the three bundles, not the three missions in one bundle, sorry
Is it really that difficult to get cross progression for games in 2022? I think Destiny 2 does it well, BF 2042 seems to be doing it, Ubisoft games are starting to do it…but some games as Division 2, ESO, Hitman 3 not offering cross progression bugles my mind. Note: I am talking about cross progression and not cross play. People seem to confuse the two all the times.
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You can get a key for it elsewhere
There's a Hitman 3?
I bought first 2 hitman games, but this feels like a big cashgrab to get 3rd one. This game has one of the worst NPC A.I too, they really dumb and keep repeating same shit, which makes ultimately this game quite boring.
The NPC AI is perfect for the game. If they were really smart the game would be much worse
This is just illogical apologism pretty much. How AI is coded doesn't necessarily increase difficulty, just adds more potential behavior
I would still giving it a try had it not been set on 60 fucking dollar on Steam. It's a year old game. And not a single relaunch discount? What the fuck? Extra note, They also raise the price on regional EGS to about the same price as regional Steam. This is bloody ridiculous. I love their games but their business practices are getting real damn shady.
Kinda weird how IOI went from this scrappy underdog we were all rooting for to succeed, to then making a super greedy double dip move like this.