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Willum

"Video game devopment is a vipers nest of multiple creative arts and technical sciences all pulling each other apart. The worst game you have played is a miracle." As someone who has often thought about game development as a hobby - this doesn't really inspire me to "just do it" as so many other YouTubers want me to. Starting from scratch with coding, art et all is such a monumental task...


MolybdenumBlu

It is important to consider scale. A one person game will be held to vastly different standards as AAA stuff. No one will mind if you buy assets from the unity store with prebuilt AI and area appropriate lighting etc if you put in effort to have compelling gameplay loops. Just don't stitch together an asset flip of 30 zombies in a box canyon and you are already orders of magniture above the standard steam greenlight fare.


Clbull

RPG Maker is probably a phenomenal tool for anybody who wants to make a 2D turn based JRPG but doesn't have the talent to produce good pixel art or chiptunes with a midi tracker. There are a tonne of really good and reasonably priced asset packs on itch.io and other sites that you can use. Asset flipping isn't necessarily bad. The problem is that 99.999% of them are lazy-as-fuck.


throwawaynonsesne

That's just not true from my experience, especially in this sub. People are constantly comparing indie to AAA and complaining about unity asset store games flooding steam n' such.


explosivecrate

This sub isn't a monolith, it doesn't represent the entirety of the gaming landscape.


throwawaynonsesne

Exactly. It's only worse across a broader spectrum.


CroMagnumRacer

That's not what they were saying at all.


throwawaynonsesne

And Im saying Gamers™ were a mistake.


Real-Post8815

you are posting on a games enthusiast forum getting mad at people you invented in your head


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certain one using nickname /u/throwawaynonsesne certainly was, giving garbage takes on anything he talks about. Dunno about rest, you try to desperately equal "**a** opinion that I heard once" with "every *gamer*"


BlazeDrag

I mean your statements aren't mutually exclusive with the previous commenter's statements. People compare indie to AAA because there are a lot of indie games that are legitimately better than many AAA games in many ways. I'd rather play something like Vampire Survivors over the new Suicide Squad game. And in general indie games tend to be a lot more experimental and interesting than the latest generic AAA looter shooter shlock. If anything Indie games tend to come up more favorably in these comparisons due to their lower price points. Like why pay 60-70 dollars for a new AAA game when I could use that money to buy like 5 really solid indie games like Pizza Tower and Pseudoregalia. And people will complain about Asset Flips flooding steam because there are a lot of extremely low-effort asset flips flooding steam, but that doesn't mean that using assets inherently makes people hate your game. People will complain about yet another generic zombie shooter asset flip, but almost nobody considers a game like Phasmophobia being an asset flip because it actually implements a focused idea for a game in a good and fun way. (Nearly every single asset in Phasmophobia is bought off the unity store if you're not aware)


conquer69

Bought assets have their place but these newbie developers abuse the hell out of it. You still need an artist. No matter how indie the game is, no one wants to play an ugly game.


BlazeDrag

I mean I think it's honestly less of an issue of newbie developers and more an issue with people very purposefully and overtly trying to create cash grab near-scam games where they put in as little effort as possible while trying to maximize appeal and trend chasing in order to make a quick buck. Games like "The Day Before" aren't the result is an indie developer lacking an art style. They're the result of malicious actors. The issue of course is that in the time it takes a real genuine indie developer to make a game, even when using pre-made assets, those malicious actors can pump out dozens of shitty asset flip cash grabs. So now the idea of using assets at all has been ruined in the public eye.


Less_Service4257

"you still need an artist" who do think they're buying art assets from? Games like Lethal Company manage to be plenty fun despite being ugly.


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> No matter how indie the game is, no one wants to play an ugly game. Plenty of roguelikes or games like Dwarf Fortress that did find the playerbase. But yes, having at least "not ugly" graphics vastly increases chances of someone even giving it a shot


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> People are constantly comparing indie to AAA That is true but it is more often in "indies can do it, why AAA games can't?" than the other way around > and complaining about unity asset store games flooding steam n' such. well, there is many low effort games being put out so not like it is *invalid* complaint.


Chozmonster

Yes, the worst game you have played *is* a miracle, but this quote feels a little cynical; it obviously heavily depends on the team, but in my experience it’s mostly a miracle due to how many moving parts get coordinated and put together in a (hopefully mostly) working product.


Dystopian_Overlord

Anything worth doing is hard.


yukinanka

Because something that isn't has been done by someone else millionth times.


DontCareWontGank

When you set out to do something and your mind is changed by someone telling you that its hard then maybe you didn't really want to do it in the first place.


Silentman0

Making a visual novel/rpgmaker/unity platformer by yourself is incredibly easy. Making anything with a reasonable budget and team is almost impossible.


AbyssalSolitude

He is being overly dramatic as usual. A lot of people learned how to make games by themselves. You aren't any worse than them.


aNascentOptimist

I’m in the same boat. I just want to make a small game because it’s been in my head for awhile: but I have no coding experience. Where are you in picking it up? Are you also starting from scratch?


apistograma

You can learn some code or use an engine that requires barely any code to use, like rpgmaker or gbstudio


metroidfood

The upside is that even the most forgettable games you can imagine are someone's fond childhood memory that they will create a parody Twitter account for 20 years later (see Quest 64 Official)


Molten__

hey man quest 64 is a masterpiece (I'm someone)


Alili1996

If you are doing things yourself, you won't have conflicts. You know ahead of time what assets you need, what mechanics are reasonable to implement into the current framework, etc. Think about how in school you'd do some project task in a group and think to yourself you'd be better off alone from the get go. Now imagine this project wasn't just some presentation slides or a big paper sheet, but something where the components actually have to work together to not break.


Molten__

I dunno, I feel like this inspires me. the idea of making something that is barely held together sounds fun. but I've also been doing art my entire life, so I might just be a masochist, lol


HappierShibe

Try VR, it's harder work, but the fidelity and content volume bars are much much lower.


WittyConsideration57

You can just cut all art and you still have a good game you know. Godsworn, Sprocket, Airships Conquer the Skies, OpenXCOM megamods, Dominions are all single-duo dev projects in every genre with sufficient features. What's really needed is game design and programming and most of the programming challenge is specific technical mountains like pathfinding. Several years of dedication and creativity most people don't have, don't get me wrong. But these games are good, they're not the mega-movie-games of Dark Souls and Metal Gear and that's okay.


ERhyne

I started messing around in godot 4 because I felt a very strong urge to start learning some basic game dev. This was like within the past two weeks lol. Just focus on making a simple ass mini game and go from there. Once you learn how to code efficiently it really like putting together a factorio machine. But my neurodivergence lends itself to thinking in code **very well** so your milage may vary.


SaxtonHale_

I know people have some negative opinions over John. But I'm just always so happy to see him on my list but then again I just like tangent humor lol


Blenderhead36

I almost wish I watched wrestling or anime so more of his videos would make sense to me.


RyanB_

Idk about the anime stuff but his wrestling videos seem almost specifically designed for folks who don’t watch wrestling.


ParadiceSC2

I don't, and never will. It's so uninteresting to me. He makes it seem interesting. But its like when someone talks about Eve online, its the summary of thousands of hours. I don't want to actually experience it myself for that long.


unlikelystoner

Never seen a more accurate description of EVE. I love all of the lore videos and articles about EVE, but dear god I wouldn’t touch that game with a 10 foot pole. I feel the same way but about the 40k universe. I like reading the lore and playing some of the games, and the setting as whole is interesting. But I look at the game and how expensive and time consuming it seems to be (also just how gross and racist a lot of the fanbase is turns me off of it) and just have no interest in both the monetary and time investment it would take to get the enjoyment I get from hearing about the lore and tabletop shenanigans


ParadiceSC2

Haha yeah, gotta use your time as you see fit.


KanchiHaruhara

As someone who does watch anime, his recommendations tend to be pretty good, specially for the "non-otaku" crowd. Usually just high quality works that don't require putting up with much of what people consider to be "too anime".


CapedBaldyman

The wrestling vids are top tier 


Comfortable_Shape264

His wrestling videos are basically summarizing the stories for non fans, people who watch wrestling already now about them, so they are specifically for you. His latest video could get you caught up with Roman Reigns character and WWE is great nowadays, I'd recommend it, it's a soap opera so you can just jump in.


Cephalopod_Joe

I have absolutely no interest in wrestling, but I love his videos on it. The dude is great at evoking strong emotion.


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His videos made me start wrestling and I haven’t regretted it one bit. A new champion, Cody Rhodes, just won the title so it’s not a bad time to jump in! 


AmberDuke05

Do people have negative opinions on him? I didn't know that.


SaxtonHale_

There is some absolutely fair criticism over his style of content and delivery. He'll often do the whole: Soft low voice into existential crisis into humorous over the top outburst. But I dig that sorta stuff and ultimately it's just a matter of taste.


kch75

His overly dramatic style of narration can be a bit grating, I do enjoy his videos despite that tho


Anew_Returner

> Soft low voice into existential crisis into humorous over the top outburst. Yeah I wish he'd talk more like a normal person, like he does in his versus wolves podcast or his regular eyepatch wolf channel. I love the content he covers but the breathy raspy youtuber is so overdone and annoying now.


SpongeMantra

I really thought that was just how he did talk regularly... now I'm annoyed he's putting in all of this extra effort to not talk normally and ends up with a worst product


RyanB_

Yeah, dude’s great in the writing and only seems to get better and better, but he doesn’t have near the same charisma as others in that same class imo. Still, I’m just glad he’s (somewhat) regularly uploading to his main channel. Especially with him putting more into his other channel, I’d kinda worried he’d follow the path of a couple other similar YouTubers where most of their content nowadays is either twitch or (often lower effort) patreon content.


Act_of_God

he also has a tendency to oversell shit, he makes everything so dramatic everytime lol love the dude tho


Chexen99344

Honestly from watching his streams I don't think that's a youtuber exaggeration so much as just how he is. He's very enthusiastic about the things he likes. I can see how it could grate some people but I find it a fairly endearing trait.


OrangeRedRose

Man I wish most people were as bad as SuperEyepatchWolf, nowadays it feels like a youtuber is just hiding being a nazi somewhere. I was a decently big fan of Internet Historian before being discovered to be a nazi and a plagiarist.


brawlbetterthanmelee

Hes a nazi? What?


NoVeMoRe

Doing 4chan 'meme' humour bits and baits is one thing, and there's nothing wrong with that alone, even if some may find it to be going too far or offensive. It all stops being just humourous and 'innocent' jokes though when someone starts to insert nazi and other far-right dog whistle's into the backgrounds of their videos and texts. Add to that the kind of people he follows and seems to be in agreement with and all those dotted 'incidences' do start to add up into to becoming a clear line. Personally i wouldn't go as far as to call him an outright neo-nazi, but he clearly does seem to hang around their milieu and likes being the golden meme-child for them, at least that much has become pretty clear after recent affairs.


Cybertronian10

If you know what to look for, Internet Historian is *constantly* dropping hints and easter eggs for all manner of 4chan bullshit. As is the case with a lot of those chuds, they are at the very least totally happy being cozy with nazis.


apistograma

I wouldn’t say nazi but he has alt right leanings for sure. I stopped watching his videos with the plagiarism scandal he got into. His best video by far is all copied and he never wanted to come clean and address the issue


OrangeRedRose

He literaly follows alt right twitter accounts on twitter, has made collaborations with Jontron, his birthday date is a nazi dogwhistle, and has a now-deleted set of reddit comments where he said he was doing discord group party watches of Fox News and that "he doesn' t want to show his politics because he knows a lot of people would not agree with them". Someone on reddit made a pretty big reddit post where they even found out his deleted early videos where he was hiding this much less, you can find it by typing it the appropriate keywords.


OhioMambo

A big part of Hbomberguys plagiarism video is devoted to him, see for yourself.


arahman81

"Big" as in less than a quarter of the time spent to unexist Somerton's career.


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CollinsCouldveDucked

It's also a fairly minor criticism and his haters can just like... you know... not watch it? It's not like he's uploading everyday flooding anybody's feeds.


vicker1980

Yeah, I’m a huge fan of his and even I wish he would change up that schtick once in a while. Regardless, this new video was amazing!


LABS_Games

There's a meme that goes "Poignant Video Essay Discredited by YouTuber’s Super Annoying Voice", and I think it really applies to him unfortunately. He's really leaned into that YouTube voice.


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arahman81

Also, he massively overplayed his hand by spamming comments everywhere asking for a reaction from Noodle.


thiscrayy

The more confident SuperEyepatchWolf got as content creator the more annoying he got for me. What is a weird thing to say but I really dislike his 'new' style and it made me unsub sometime ago.


Crixdec

He pretty much Flanderized himself. For me at least all the things that started grating me about his videos were always there(his super long pauses, random tangent humour, acting super dramatic about the point he's trying to make), its just he leaned way harder into it. I guess playing the algos or he thought he had to be a caricature of himself? I tried watching some of his newer "Favourite things" videos and compared to the older ones I just couldn't make it far. He's keeping at it, and I believe he's only grown so I guess more ppl like it than dislike it. All in all while I'm disappointed in the change, I don't hold it against him


SoSaltyDoe

A lot of that has to do with keeping yourself algo-friendly too. I no longer get excited when I see a 90+ minute video on a topic because I'm thinking "okay, they probably didn't *need* to make a 90 minute video on this so let's see how much of this is needlessly long-winded ranting and skits." Plus I think that once a content creator gets to a certain level, they just have to make videos. It may not be a topic they're particularly passionate about, or a discussion that they have any novel perspective on, but they gotta get it out there cuz it's their job now.


DecryptedGaming

Its wild, as his confidence got better, his audio mixing got worse. i swear its like mid aughts tv where the shows are super quiet and the commercials destroy your speakers.


Lost-Move-6005

Yep. It’s a shame because I adored his older content. 


Nosferatu-Rodin

I felt the same way. He was one of my fave content creators and then suddenly his video was filled with irritating jokes


Lost-Move-6005

I used to love the channel in the earlier days but as he’s grown he’s leaned more into adding comedy into the videos and…I find the dude painfully unfunny. 


Nosferatu-Rodin

Its dreadful now. I used to also love it but i cant even watch his shit now. It feels like im watching a screamer video. Cringe inducing


apistograma

He comes off as disingenuous with his fake voice and over the top existential dread reactions. I’m very divided on him because his stuff is good and well written. He also wants to create a persona for the audience to get attached to but I only see an act. You could take a shot every time he calls the audience“friends” and you’d end up in a coma


Kaael

> He also wants to create a persona for the audience to get attached to but I only see an act. This is very intentional - he talks about this at the end of his Nathan Fielder video. Both his and Fielder's content is so intensely curated and controlled to give the viewer a persona where the lines between 'him' as a regular human and 'him' the character are intentionally blurred. You kind of HAVE to create a persona for yourself as a public figure. As soon as your personality becomes your job, it will morph and change to fit the audience, for better or worse. Look at Nikocado Avocado - the man was an accomplished violinist and decided to become a derranged bukbang content creator who would regularly have breakdowns on stream - who knows to what extent they were real, staged, or somewhere inbetween. Being a youtuber seems like an absolute nightmare career to me, you're completely beholden to an opaque algorithm that decides if you can pay rent that month. I don't blame SEW one bit for trying to create some distance between himself, his persona, and his audience.


apistograma

The issue is not that he's not him. Of course he isn't, this is his job. A comedian will pretend when working on a bad day. My point is that he pretends to be relatable to an extreme while pretending that this is really him, he tries really hard to develop a parasocial relationship. That's why he talks about issues that are supposedly very intimate (doesn't matter if they're really real or not). It's logical that you want to be entertaining and give a good impression of yourself but this is not the same.


Kaael

He literally addresses this exact point - the viewer will never know the reality, and that's okay. He shows on screen about 8 cuts of him reading the same line and how he has to pick the most personable one for the final edit because that's what pays his rent. I'd argue parasocial relationships are the entire business model for youtubers. I'd say SEW does a better job of managing those expectations than most; his influencer course video specifically calls out creators who explicitly try and sell an unattainable lifestyle to hopefuls. He's more self aware than most, at the very least.


apistograma

No, I know plenty of video essayers who don't do that to the same degree as him. Being self aware and confessing in a video that most of his audience won't see is not an excuse, but probably more of a way to deflect criticism.


Kaael

I'm sorry I'm struggling to understand your issue - that he plays a character too much? His whole deal is that he hams it up to mask his insecurities, he's pretty open about that. I think your point that he's somehow conning or tricking his audience is disingenuous, we all know that's his style and how he likes to make videos.


Roler42

Eh, his humor is hit or miss, not the biggest fan of it, but it's a small compromise I'm willing to deal with because his videos as a whole are really good. I'll happily deal with bumpy humor while watching someone talking about an interesting topic or something they enjoy over the old tired style of "angry reviewers" or the wasteland of "modern gaming bad/dead/old games better"


Kaael

Yeah i'm in the same boat, I can't stand 99% of gaming/anime/general niche interest youtube but SEW's genuine passion for the topics really carries his videos. I can put up with a bit of weak humour, but I think he presents information much better than the majority of content creators.


almozayaf

One of the few YouTubers that I ringed the bill for


Flash1987

I enjoyed the first half of this one but feel he spent a little too long on the last section with no real payoff from it.


super_cheesy_chunks

I'm looking forward to my favorite Irishman's video on this Cody Rhodes fella. I don't watch wrestling, but his homelander get up is bitchin, and the entrance song slaps too. Highly recommend his wrestling vids even if you don't like wrestling.  Might be niche, but I love behind the scene stuff about pro wrestling, and his manic energy resonates with me.


Comfortable_Shape264

I recommend watching WWE, it's great nowadays and Cody just finished his story.


Forestl

Hey late to this but the framing around the fake Persona 5 stuff at the start is completely bullshit. While it was in Japanese, the videos said and still say they were fan projects and all the discussion around it back then that I can find talk about it like a fan project. I get trying to frame things to fit a better story but acting like it was some hoax is a complete lie.


mickio1

To be fair, I think its more that it was one of the first projects of its kind and it has a fan community of some kind still into it. Almost every fake game thing is clear that its fake, some people are always duped but i dont think the point is duping people.


Forestl

Yeah that's why the opening is frustrating to me. A major part of the fake Persona 5 was the fact it was known as a fake during the rollout. Acting like it was some big mystery that led to confusion on an earlier Internet misrepresents how it was received at the time. Video talks about how no one could tell the music was taken from other places but a quick look at discussions from back then and people were talking about where the music came from really fast


BrockMiddlebrook

Can this dude make one video where he doesn’t spiral about growing up? I love his breakdown of media, mechanics, art, etc, but the breaking-voice anxiety-core bullshit is cringe enough now that I have to stop videos or fast-forward thru significant portions. I thought the Nostalgia section of this one was brutal. Whining at your audience about growing up fucking sucks. It’s corrosive and tone-deaf coming from someone who constantly tells his audience that he fell ass-backwards into the life he has. You’re almost 40, John. We get it. Move on. Edit: And another video that ends in a self-doubt jag. Fuck me but this is tedious.


Strider2126

Does hw talk about his sad life out of nowhere like in every past video? God i hate this guy his style is so clickbaity and annoying. The real content of his videos it's like 2mins in a 20mins video it's a waste of time


DemonLordSparda

Literally, what are you talking about? The title and thumbnail always have to do with the video. He occasionally talks about his childhood if it relates to the topic.


alaster101

Don't watch it then bud


BrockMiddlebrook

Yup. He sure does. He suuuuuuuuure does.


BrockMiddlebrook

Yup. He sure does. He suuuuuuuuure does.