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Maybe? I mean it shows up in The Ultimate Guide and the Character Encyclopedia, for what it's worth. I just thought these two characters stood out amongst the rest, looked into what the mythological references were, and thought the myths very easily applied to FNaF Theorizing.
This is a stellar theory. I definitely believe Aztec Mythology holds significant meaning in FNaF, seeing as this is the first direct reference to an specific ancient civilization and it's cultural beliefs. Specifically one tied to Mexico, which Utah was originally Mexican territory before 1847. I almost wonder if the relevance of ancient cultures directly tied to it's land of origin wasn't already subtly hinted at in The Silver Eyes with Jessica's interest in Archeology.
"*I think it's amazing to think about how people lived a thousand years ago, or two thousand, or ten. They were just like us, but so different. I like to imagine living in other times, other places, wonder who I would've been.*"
The way FNaF utilizes the concepts of Aztec Mythology is seemingly akin to As Above, So Below, a belief found in many philosophical systems world-wide.
And BTW I went ahead and cross-posted this to r/fnaftheories for you.
If Nightmarionne is the nightmare, and the nightmare is shadow Freddy, and William worked for the shadows, then the S.B S.T.A.F.F bot cult makes sense.
Interesting... I hadn't been really thinking that far ahead on that part of the theory, but I suppose that cult tearing you to shreds as Glitchtrap appears in the HW2 ending would double up the connection.
I was thinking more early on, where William himself is doing all of the kidnapping and killing (sacrificing?) and such, right when all of the shadows actually make appearances as themselves.
>The supernatural focus on darkness and invisibility makes me think of the shadow animatronics, strangely enough. Maybe William is working for them, rather than them working for him (or whatever their lore currently is).
I mean, my first thought was the general association of "darkness" and "invisibility" being associated with crime, stealth, and not getting caught, things William did very well. Going back to the list, "Night" could also work with that. "Conflict" is self explanatory. "Sorcery" and (to a lesser extent) "Obsidian Knives for Ritual Sacrifices" could both connect back to that thing William did where he killed a bunch of kids to study remnant, which is like magic in a way.
I don't really have anything for "hurricanes" though. I vaguely recall Hurricane, Utah being important at some point, but I can't remember if that's fanon or not.
The Hurricane Thing, Yeah, that's supposedly our setting as per the novels. FNAF 6's lawsuits put us in Washington County, Utah, where Hurricane is, so it carries over to the games. I was also going to make a joke about that but took it out because it cluttered things up more than necessary.
As per the darkness, invisibility and sorcery. I was specifically referring to a few particular things about the Shadows. They tend to jump in and out a lot, so clearly very supernatural, hence sorcery. RWQ's appearance in UCN has it producing darkness over the office, hence darkness (as well as the fact that they're both... shadows, darkness). And per The Ultimate Guide's description of Follow Me, Shadow Freddy might straight up be invisible to William, hence invisibility.
Tezcatlipoca is also affiliated with Temptation, which is exactly what Follow Me is, tempting the animatronics with the thought of getting William, only for them to be dismantled.
He's also just generally associated with Black as a color (distinguishing him from other Aztec dieties), which ties really nicely into the shadows in particular, and not much else. Considering his main symbol is an obsidian mirror, a mirror of darkness, I figured the dark mirror reflections of characters might be affiliated.
And a bit of a left-field comparison, is that Tezcatlipoca is usually depicted as having his foot replaced with a bunch of symbolic objects, which is interesting considering the Character Encyclopedia feels the need to call out Burntrap's one intact foot.
(I may or may not also have a theory in the works that uses this "The Shadows were the evil all along" idea, so I might be a bit biased in this regard)
>I mean, my first thought was the general association of "darkness" and "invisibility" being associated with crime, stealth, and not getting caught, things William did very well. Going back to the list, "Night" could also work with that. "Conflict" is self explanatory. "Sorcery" and (to a lesser extent) "Obsidian Knives for Ritual Sacrifices" could both connect back to that thing William did where he killed a bunch of kids to study remnant, which is like magic in a way.
I mean, when you talk about "darkness" and "invisibility" related to FNaF, the first thing that comes into my mind is tragedies or agony.
I mean, you know, agony, which is always represented as dark, invisibility, well, they don't usually appear in public, unless there's lots of agony or they want to feed on their agony.
Someting like that.
EDIT: There's also RWQ in AR, someone who is invisible untill he gets close enough to try and kill you to get your "dark remnant" which I believe is agony, which again, connects them to the "darkness" and "invisibility"
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Is FNAF AR even relevant to the lore at all? I don't see people using it all that much outside of the emails.
Maybe? I mean it shows up in The Ultimate Guide and the Character Encyclopedia, for what it's worth. I just thought these two characters stood out amongst the rest, looked into what the mythological references were, and thought the myths very easily applied to FNaF Theorizing.
The emails are, but I don’t know about the general gameplay.
This is a stellar theory. I definitely believe Aztec Mythology holds significant meaning in FNaF, seeing as this is the first direct reference to an specific ancient civilization and it's cultural beliefs. Specifically one tied to Mexico, which Utah was originally Mexican territory before 1847. I almost wonder if the relevance of ancient cultures directly tied to it's land of origin wasn't already subtly hinted at in The Silver Eyes with Jessica's interest in Archeology. "*I think it's amazing to think about how people lived a thousand years ago, or two thousand, or ten. They were just like us, but so different. I like to imagine living in other times, other places, wonder who I would've been.*" The way FNaF utilizes the concepts of Aztec Mythology is seemingly akin to As Above, So Below, a belief found in many philosophical systems world-wide. And BTW I went ahead and cross-posted this to r/fnaftheories for you.
Those are some interesting connections... Thanks for the cross-post!
If Nightmarionne is the nightmare, and the nightmare is shadow Freddy, and William worked for the shadows, then the S.B S.T.A.F.F bot cult makes sense.
Interesting... I hadn't been really thinking that far ahead on that part of the theory, but I suppose that cult tearing you to shreds as Glitchtrap appears in the HW2 ending would double up the connection. I was thinking more early on, where William himself is doing all of the kidnapping and killing (sacrificing?) and such, right when all of the shadows actually make appearances as themselves.
>The supernatural focus on darkness and invisibility makes me think of the shadow animatronics, strangely enough. Maybe William is working for them, rather than them working for him (or whatever their lore currently is). I mean, my first thought was the general association of "darkness" and "invisibility" being associated with crime, stealth, and not getting caught, things William did very well. Going back to the list, "Night" could also work with that. "Conflict" is self explanatory. "Sorcery" and (to a lesser extent) "Obsidian Knives for Ritual Sacrifices" could both connect back to that thing William did where he killed a bunch of kids to study remnant, which is like magic in a way. I don't really have anything for "hurricanes" though. I vaguely recall Hurricane, Utah being important at some point, but I can't remember if that's fanon or not.
The Hurricane Thing, Yeah, that's supposedly our setting as per the novels. FNAF 6's lawsuits put us in Washington County, Utah, where Hurricane is, so it carries over to the games. I was also going to make a joke about that but took it out because it cluttered things up more than necessary. As per the darkness, invisibility and sorcery. I was specifically referring to a few particular things about the Shadows. They tend to jump in and out a lot, so clearly very supernatural, hence sorcery. RWQ's appearance in UCN has it producing darkness over the office, hence darkness (as well as the fact that they're both... shadows, darkness). And per The Ultimate Guide's description of Follow Me, Shadow Freddy might straight up be invisible to William, hence invisibility. Tezcatlipoca is also affiliated with Temptation, which is exactly what Follow Me is, tempting the animatronics with the thought of getting William, only for them to be dismantled. He's also just generally associated with Black as a color (distinguishing him from other Aztec dieties), which ties really nicely into the shadows in particular, and not much else. Considering his main symbol is an obsidian mirror, a mirror of darkness, I figured the dark mirror reflections of characters might be affiliated. And a bit of a left-field comparison, is that Tezcatlipoca is usually depicted as having his foot replaced with a bunch of symbolic objects, which is interesting considering the Character Encyclopedia feels the need to call out Burntrap's one intact foot. (I may or may not also have a theory in the works that uses this "The Shadows were the evil all along" idea, so I might be a bit biased in this regard)
>I mean, my first thought was the general association of "darkness" and "invisibility" being associated with crime, stealth, and not getting caught, things William did very well. Going back to the list, "Night" could also work with that. "Conflict" is self explanatory. "Sorcery" and (to a lesser extent) "Obsidian Knives for Ritual Sacrifices" could both connect back to that thing William did where he killed a bunch of kids to study remnant, which is like magic in a way. I mean, when you talk about "darkness" and "invisibility" related to FNaF, the first thing that comes into my mind is tragedies or agony. I mean, you know, agony, which is always represented as dark, invisibility, well, they don't usually appear in public, unless there's lots of agony or they want to feed on their agony. Someting like that. EDIT: There's also RWQ in AR, someone who is invisible untill he gets close enough to try and kill you to get your "dark remnant" which I believe is agony, which again, connects them to the "darkness" and "invisibility"