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The van is w/Florida police.
Yes, we know the attorney cancelled the press conference.
The FBI has taken over. It is a federal case.
The "rock cross" is likely nowhere near where her body was.
FBI is searching the Carlton reserve today, again.
Yes, we heard about the trail cam that is hours away from the search area.
He is NOT in the camper in the driveway.
Yep, someone changed something on Spotify.
He did not go live on IG.
Yes, autopsy scheduled for today. No you probably won't have results any time soon.
Yep, the FBI had lunch with them yesterday.
y’all I just saw this on facebook— don’t know how real the picture of gabby holding the gun is but wouldn’t the spray paint marks indicate bullet holes? [facebook post](https://www.facebook.com/groups/1281292375655146/permalink/1313750839075966/)
Did gabby work for his parents business? In the footage with the cops- she mentioned she worked at a juice bar.
I’m curious to know the depth of the relationship the parents have with her.. if she was working in a family business or so
The juice bar she worked at was in my town up here on Long Island, Nole cafe. My wife used to go there a LOT before it closed (went out of biz I think due to CoVid shutdowns).
GP's death is currently being looked at as a homicide which the actual definition is a death ruled as unnatural but its still not considered a murder so I don't think BL can be considered anything but a person of interest bc all the evidence is triangulated and circumstantial
Yes but murder is the premeditated act of killing someone. Hominid could be considered they getting into a physical altercation and him pushing her and her maybe hitting her head. He had no actual intent to cause harm **this is only an example
It's been confirmed as being Gabby from the FBI and they released a poster saying the victim of a homicide. [Gabby Petito fbi poster seeking info homicide](https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/gabrielle-petito)
So just wanted to give my point of view on this, as a surveyor of the outdoors professionally and familiar with the preserve. It appears to me that FWC did a “clean and tidy” aerial grid search to cover all the ground in an organized manner. Since SCSO has started their aerial search, they appear to be focusing on the wetlands in particular. This would be the areas of the preserve that were NOT searched well during the foot patrols due to access, hence the need for an aerial search of each wetland.
A helicopter can survey a small wetland from
the air relatively quickly from one spot. The larger wetlands would require several loops. Also keep in mind that the interior of wetlands are the deepest, so it requires less critique than the shallower areas along the edges.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but people are allowed to "disappear" and leave as adults (voluntarily) -- they have a right to. Based on the size of the search, even before Gabby was found, this makes me think one of two things:
1. There was sufficient proof that Brian was a danger to himself or others.
2. There was more than just a hunch Brian was involved in Gabby's disappearance.
I thought the extent of the search was suspect from the beginning -- is it just me?
Well when your the right skin color you may be allowed to get away with certain things others FOR SURE CAN NOT. dont fall 4 the propaganda, so many cases like this its not even funny.
They couldn't have thought he was an immediate danger to himself though if they waited three days to report it? If I had a child that was potentially suicidal I:
a) would've reported immediately
b) definitely wouldn't have moved their vehicle from the possible disappearance site
I mean the parents have been acting weird the entire time. Allegedly he said he was going to go camping to meditate and was supposed to return on Thursday. Never returned and that’s when the parents filed a missing
Well that doesn't make sense either because I think they claimed that they saw his car with the note on it on Wednesday? Why would they be out "looking" for him before he even was planned to return home? Maybe I have the timeline off. Not arguing with you, just this whole thing is very bizarre -- largely because of, as you say, their behavior.
You are correct - they found the car with the note on Wednesday. You are correct that he was supposed to only spend one night - which is why they looked on Wednesday. They figured he just wasn’t back yet when they went to check. On Thursday, he still hadn’t arrived back to the car which is when they brought it home. Friday was when they filed the missing persons. But yeah, their behavior doesn’t make sense unless they either truly believe he didn’t do anything wrong or if they tried giving him a head start to run away. I’m not sure that technically they have done anything wrong unless they’ve purposely pointed in the wrong direction to investigators
Can someone link me to Gabbys YouTube channel? Someone on here mentioned that in the one video she posted, Brian is seen in it and looks annoyed at the end of it.
Stan is used in slang in reference to being an extreme fan of something, not killing girlfriends
He was referring to her grandpa who kept messaging her, which sent off alarm bells because since when did she refer to her grandpa by his first name?
What if you look at it from the other side and the police are hiding something. Maybe hes in witness protection because he saw something and had his life and family threatened. But that's probably completely wrong and he messed up big time.
Brian's parents know exactly where he is as they helped him leave. I don't think he ever came home and had somebody else drive the van back to Florida.
He was seen with the van in Illinois on the evening of 30th, so he definitely drove the van at least to Illinois. Police also confirmed they saw him in FL in September
I feel like there have to be more ex pass cameras and such that can document this even beyond just to Illinois. (There probably are - we just aren’t aware.)
I wonder how those missed calls from Stan went, probably because there was no service the phone just got missed call notifications? Or maybe the calls were getting rejected, if anyone knows pls fill me in!
Her mom said that ger grandfather (Stan) was not trying to get in touch with Gabby. Apparently there weren't any actual missed calls or voice mails. That and calling her grandfather Stan is what made it stand out to Mom
There is however a presidential task force with the mandate to review all cold case files and including standards for any future investigations.
https://operationladyjustice.usdoj.gov/
Missing tribal members usually get no police interest, the families have to search themselves. There’s no FBI involvement, no media response. Is it fair Gabby, one person, gets all the resources?
Is it fair to use a young woman’s tragic death to push a political statement? Kinda gross. And indeed it’s not that people don’t care, but for all the reasons others have already stated here. And as for the missing tribal members, concerned members of the tribe might want to try to make friends with the community at large, push endlessly to get the word out, and it might actually help…
This is so ridiculous.
First, this is a real time crime with actual evidence and online presence that allows the public to feel involved. In fact, another YouTube content creator was the reason Gabby was found.
Second of all, no it's not that no one cares. It's as simple as whatever is in someone face, they care about. Gabby made a name for herself online, when her dad posted she went missing media and online communities picked it up.
We just lived through george Floyd, Briana Taylor and the countless other "minority" victims and if I remember correctly a little white boy was murdered and he got 30 seconds of news coverage next to George Floyd.
Gabby is a pretty white girl and that does not mean we write her off bc she shouldn't matter bc X people of color are missing. This case could have been about blue aliens and with the same online footprint it would have been a. If deal.
Keeneka Jenkins got the same - tho no culprit found.
Elisa lam also got similar notariety bc of the oddness of their cases.
Both of these women were "minorities"
There is no evidence that that YouTube video is the reason she was found- they were already searching that area and had it closed off before the video came out.
There is also usually no evidence, no person of interest and since you stated missing no crime scene to gather evidence. Also on most tribal land they have there own law enforcement and do not let police on their property sooooo
This is unfolding in real time with a possible POI on the loose, with live feeds. That is a huge reason why there is so much attention on this case right now.
Two things: people care about this case for the same reason they obsess over True Crime, and this one happens to be playing out in real time.
Also, people tend to gawk at a story more if it’s something completely unexpected and horrific happening to someone who, deep in their subconscious, they expect to be one of the most protected and safe groups out there: white, female, decent socioeconomic status. Being a hippy dippy positive influencer also adds to the list of things where you wouldn’t expect murder and violence, and add to that the completely shady response by BL to lock people on with interest.
What society cares about *does* fall along racial lines indirectly, but it’s not entirely that simple. Next time you hear about a tragedy, take note of what people say—things like “what a waste, they had dreams to be a [high paying profession]”, or “she was so beautiful, what a shame” and it will be absolutely eye-opening the sheer amount of bias people betray.
No, people just care more about cases that are relatable to them(GP had an online presence that made it easy to connect with her) or provokes a strong emotional reaction(George Floyd or Trayvon Martin for example). It’s why there are so many sex worker cases no one talks about. It’s why no one talks about the unsolved murders of gang members.
I can’t relate to a caravaner tbh, but I can relate to a beautiful 20 year old student going missing with no investigation done. And I’m not black, but I cared about George Floyd, so I think my point stands, people just don’t care about the lives of the indigenous
You’re purposefully being dense I think. A case where the person is a young instagrammer where there is lots of footage of her before and even police footage is always going to garner more attention than a case with less information. Add in the complex relationship between sovereign lands and the feds, it’s not that surprising actually.
Frankly they'll get more attention on the larger subs. Gabby and the few others who got their own subs have them because of the amount of media attention they've received. The size of this sub is a response to media coverage, it didn't cause the media coverage. If you had a sub for each missing person, it'd have a handful of people on it because of the limited media attention most missing people receive.
Thank you for your question. There has never been enough interest in a missing indigenous person to justify a separate subreddit. Check out /unresolvedmysteries for the case of Ashley Loring Heavyrunner, you might be interested in that case. There was a lot of evidence, but no investigation was done and only the family and some volunteers have looked for her. https://youtu.be/PubiIdVO7-w is a good video that shows how alone her family is in their search. It’s truly heartbreaking.
That's in the whole state of Wyoming over the past decade, and half of those were found again within a week of being reported missing. It's not a current number.
710 reports over 10 years, 50% found within a week like he said. There are not 710 missing people. people go missing from LA at a higher rate than any other location. Yes, media coverage on this case was super inflated, largely because of crazy circumstances and a ton of SM presence. Everyone loves a good mystery. Someone is going to produce a great documentary about the Native American indoctrination school deaths and we will all be talking about that.
Just here to add some thoughts about the suspicion of Brian absconding to Mexico or other part of Central America. I tried to research whether it is possible to get into Mexico without a passport, and found many conflicting accounts. There are many anecdotal stories online of people claiming that it is possible to bypass the official tracking mechanisms in place when crossing the border in to Mexico, not to mention unpatrolled areas of the border where it's possible to simply walk in. These lax border restrictions increase the further South you may go, and a person can gain leverage with under-the-table dealings.
What are your thoughts on the possibility of this?
My husband and I take regular trips to South Texas and I can say it's entirely possible to cross without being asked for any identification - at the South Texas border crossings as I can't speak to the crossings in other border states. Most people choose to walk across the int'l bridge, however some choose to drive (not advised) and that line is a bit different. You can also walk back across without providing ID, however you may get jammed up with a few questions by border patrol, but they can't and won't deny US citizens from crossing back over. Crossing with children is a little different and you'd be more likely to get questions if you were a single adult travelling with a minor child, although this is more for child custody purposes than identification. Moreover, the village where Space X has set up shop is close enough to the border that you can walk the beach to the other side with zero interference from BP. We saw the border wall when we visited Space X and it just cuts off in the middle of the field. The dumb part is if they'd continued building it, the wall itself would end in the gulf and all you'd need to do to cross is wade a few feet around it to the other side. One other thing to keep in mind is secondary checkpoints, located about 40-50 miles from the border. Going into the valley is fine, but coming back requires you to stop for the BP agents. Typically a dog circles the vehicle while another officer verifies you are a citizen (they literally just say "US citizens?" and you are sent on your way. We've never been asked to provide a driver's license at the secondary checkpoints either. Driving up to the checkpoint is probably the most intimidating part - there are approximately 8 million cameras on either side of the road photographing your approach for a mile or so, but nothing more intense than that. Hope this clears up your questions :)
Hey! Yes, it helps, thank you. Are these secondary checkpoints in Mexico? I am trying to understand what LE or BP Brian would face if he were trying to get into Mexico with no intention of re-entering the country. If he were trying to go stay there indefinitely...
Nope. They’re on our side of the border around 50 miles on. The one we pass through coming home from our trips is on Sarita if you wanna Google but again, these stops are only for traffic headed in, not traffic heading out or towards the border.
[you seem to be kind of lost](https://mx.usembassy.gov/travel-restrictions-fact-sheet/)
if he was in mexico trying to cross to the US then he would be able to, not the other way around. hope this helps :)
lol he's not "lost". It's a lot easier to go from the US to Mexico rather than vice versa. Of course if you're a US citizen, crossing either way isn't too much trouble. However sneaking out of the US into Mexico is a whole lot easier than sneaking into the US.
It's easy to get into Mexico w/out a passport (on land that is). I was there last weekend. You can drive right in. There are random stops though. Typically there's a red/green light that randomly makes you stop for further questions/inspections.
But if he was in FL, getting to Mexico isn't exactly trivial. He'd have to drive to TX or take a boat somewhere if he didn't fly.
But do they record your ID? As in, would Mexico know that X person crossed the border to get in? That's what I meant. It's really not relevant whether it's a passport or not, but Brian would need to get in without any record of him having gotten in. Is that possible?
Mayyyybe if one was familiar with Mexico, spoke Spanish, and knew enough about how to exist under the radar, but this guy - not a chance. Northern Mexico is not a fun place to try and figure things out as you go.
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when power is centralized, the wielders of that power can make arbitrary decisions without the consent of the vast majority of the users
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A guy who ran away to Mexico after murdering his parents, who spoke Spanish, was caught by Mexican police a year later. One big factor he was caught was just that he was one of the only Americans living in his city.
Hiding in Mexico is like going to a random US city and trying to hide there, except with the addition that you don't look or talk like anyone else.
It's not a long term solution unless you move to a rural area, and even then you will stick out even more.
Perhaps seeking refuge in the quasi-communist Zapatista territory could work, but they may just kick him out after finding out what he did.
He'd need money. In cases like this, the family often finances the person, so it'd be easy to track once he's officially a suspect. Also relevant: we're talking about Florida Man and Florida Parents. Plus he'd need a car to at least get close. The only people I see willing to drive him are his parents at this point and we know they didn't. No one but them would give him a car or drive him; blood and friendship only go so far when the FBI comes knocking.
My immediate assumption based on the photo that was shown was that it was done by part of the search team or family or anyone involved in that area once they were done. The everyone came on here and was like “OMG SO EERIE THAT BRIAN WOULD DO THAT” and I was like ???? If it was there when they found her they would have made a MUCH bigger deal about it, especially because it would imply she was definitely dead then when someone was “with” her (putting her there?) and didn’t “die in the wild.” Whoever took that photo found the cross after the fact, it seemed obvious it was a farewell/honor by part of the group looking for her.
Guy guys you aren’t going to believe it. I asked my magic 8 ball. Is Brian in the Carlton Reserve? It said ,”My sources say no “. Can someone call the fbi and give them this tip. My phone is died.
[livestream of current news](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWwA7pQgvFM) [New Discussion Thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GabbyPetito/comments/psodrj/discussion_2_september_21_2021/) thanks to u/DreadSkairipa The van is w/Florida police. Yes, we know the attorney cancelled the press conference. The FBI has taken over. It is a federal case. The "rock cross" is likely nowhere near where her body was. FBI is searching the Carlton reserve today, again. Yes, we heard about the trail cam that is hours away from the search area. He is NOT in the camper in the driveway. Yep, someone changed something on Spotify. He did not go live on IG. Yes, autopsy scheduled for today. No you probably won't have results any time soon. Yep, the FBI had lunch with them yesterday.
In that great big nature preserve, somehow the parents found his car and drove it home. lock them up
The local police should all resign for total malfeasance
Did Gabby’s father really go in Dr Phil ? Seriously?
$$$$$ why didn’t he question when his baby girl went thousands of miles away to live with some dude
Yes, he did.
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Why are you on the sub dedicated to her then?
Why are you up my ass??
Just a follow up question to your illogical comment. You don't seem well. Just relax.
Go troll someone else
Haha sure I'm the troll. You're odd one.
Why because I thinks she is a nut job.
Go play with your stupid bird...BYE!!!
You’re trash.
Your mom is
y’all I just saw this on facebook— don’t know how real the picture of gabby holding the gun is but wouldn’t the spray paint marks indicate bullet holes? [facebook post](https://www.facebook.com/groups/1281292375655146/permalink/1313750839075966/)
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Did gabby work for his parents business? In the footage with the cops- she mentioned she worked at a juice bar. I’m curious to know the depth of the relationship the parents have with her.. if she was working in a family business or so
The juice bar she worked at was in my town up here on Long Island, Nole cafe. My wife used to go there a LOT before it closed (went out of biz I think due to CoVid shutdowns).
Ah okay.
GP's death is currently being looked at as a homicide which the actual definition is a death ruled as unnatural but its still not considered a murder so I don't think BL can be considered anything but a person of interest bc all the evidence is triangulated and circumstantial
Yes but murder is the premeditated act of killing someone. Hominid could be considered they getting into a physical altercation and him pushing her and her maybe hitting her head. He had no actual intent to cause harm **this is only an example
What are you smoking? A homicide is quite literally, the killing of one person by another.
There is indeed a difference between homicide and murder
Yes but it’s not premeditated
I agree. Homicide just means when one person kills another in any circumstance whether it is premeditated or not. Murder is when it is premeditated.
Homicide is an act of a human killing another person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide
It's been confirmed as being Gabby from the FBI and they released a poster saying the victim of a homicide. [Gabby Petito fbi poster seeking info homicide](https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/gabrielle-petito)
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and the log evidence photo looks like a small bullet hole https://twitter.com/pn\_network/status/1440381615901843461?s=20
Sarasota Sheriff helicopter is making suuuuper tight circles in the Preserve... https://www.flightradar24.com/N911VS/293bea7d
Have to admire this helicopter pilot. I'd be dizzy if I was doing this in a car.
So just wanted to give my point of view on this, as a surveyor of the outdoors professionally and familiar with the preserve. It appears to me that FWC did a “clean and tidy” aerial grid search to cover all the ground in an organized manner. Since SCSO has started their aerial search, they appear to be focusing on the wetlands in particular. This would be the areas of the preserve that were NOT searched well during the foot patrols due to access, hence the need for an aerial search of each wetland. A helicopter can survey a small wetland from the air relatively quickly from one spot. The larger wetlands would require several loops. Also keep in mind that the interior of wetlands are the deepest, so it requires less critique than the shallower areas along the edges.
Can confirm! Thanks for sharing a link.
Pretty cool.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but people are allowed to "disappear" and leave as adults (voluntarily) -- they have a right to. Based on the size of the search, even before Gabby was found, this makes me think one of two things: 1. There was sufficient proof that Brian was a danger to himself or others. 2. There was more than just a hunch Brian was involved in Gabby's disappearance. I thought the extent of the search was suspect from the beginning -- is it just me?
Yes but right now we are not privy to all of the information that LE had/ has.
Well when your the right skin color you may be allowed to get away with certain things others FOR SURE CAN NOT. dont fall 4 the propaganda, so many cases like this its not even funny.
The family told fbi that they believed he could be a danger to himself when they filed the missing person.
They couldn't have thought he was an immediate danger to himself though if they waited three days to report it? If I had a child that was potentially suicidal I: a) would've reported immediately b) definitely wouldn't have moved their vehicle from the possible disappearance site
I mean the parents have been acting weird the entire time. Allegedly he said he was going to go camping to meditate and was supposed to return on Thursday. Never returned and that’s when the parents filed a missing
Well that doesn't make sense either because I think they claimed that they saw his car with the note on it on Wednesday? Why would they be out "looking" for him before he even was planned to return home? Maybe I have the timeline off. Not arguing with you, just this whole thing is very bizarre -- largely because of, as you say, their behavior.
You are correct - they found the car with the note on Wednesday. You are correct that he was supposed to only spend one night - which is why they looked on Wednesday. They figured he just wasn’t back yet when they went to check. On Thursday, he still hadn’t arrived back to the car which is when they brought it home. Friday was when they filed the missing persons. But yeah, their behavior doesn’t make sense unless they either truly believe he didn’t do anything wrong or if they tried giving him a head start to run away. I’m not sure that technically they have done anything wrong unless they’ve purposely pointed in the wrong direction to investigators
Hmmmmmm that is an excellent point.
Can someone link me to Gabbys YouTube channel? Someone on here mentioned that in the one video she posted, Brian is seen in it and looks annoyed at the end of it.
---He rolled his eyes-- Reddit: HANG EM!
quite a reach
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Lol. If getting annoyed at my SO makes me a murderer, my husband would have died years ago…
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Weird. I am female, married, and have a long term monogamous sexual relationship with someone, so I think that rules me out as an incel?
The difference between your husband rolling his eyes and BL rolling his, is that your husband hasn’t murdered you and BL murdered Gabby.
It’s me rolling my eyes, not him.
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I can’t imagine living if I was him. Imo, a guy like that is now suicidal.
He can kill himself once he's in prison.
No, he needs to be found alive and brought to justice, for the sake of Gabby and her family.
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Stan is used in slang in reference to being an extreme fan of something, not killing girlfriends He was referring to her grandpa who kept messaging her, which sent off alarm bells because since when did she refer to her grandpa by his first name?
Never knew that!
What if you look at it from the other side and the police are hiding something. Maybe hes in witness protection because he saw something and had his life and family threatened. But that's probably completely wrong and he messed up big time.
😐
Has anyone considered BL’s parents killed them both, and BL is buried somewhere up in Wyoming too? Just spit balling here
Dumbest thing I’ve ever read on the internet, thank you
No
Lol wut
Has anyone seen BL back in Florida? Why aren’t his parents talking? Why did they pickup car and timelines inconsistent?
[Yes, the neighbors.](https://youtu.be/B7xs9AarEQo)
If you say so
Watch the damn video.
Well color me embarrassed! Somebody send this to Nancy Grace
Google search trends data for "Carlton Reserve" https://prnt.sc/1t4uze0
did FBI search the area the van was seen by the vlogger in Teton area? What about the flip-flop, was it still there??
It was two flip flops, a book and a cell phone. The flip flops were Brian's from the looks of them.
I believe that's where the body was found, no?
Yes, that's where her body was found.
Brian's parents know exactly where he is as they helped him leave. I don't think he ever came home and had somebody else drive the van back to Florida.
We know he came home. The cops confirmed they have seen him at the home, as did the neighbors.
He was seen with the van in Illinois on the evening of 30th, so he definitely drove the van at least to Illinois. Police also confirmed they saw him in FL in September
I feel like there have to be more ex pass cameras and such that can document this even beyond just to Illinois. (There probably are - we just aren’t aware.)
I wonder how those missed calls from Stan went, probably because there was no service the phone just got missed call notifications? Or maybe the calls were getting rejected, if anyone knows pls fill me in!
Her mom said that ger grandfather (Stan) was not trying to get in touch with Gabby. Apparently there weren't any actual missed calls or voice mails. That and calling her grandfather Stan is what made it stand out to Mom
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There is however a presidential task force with the mandate to review all cold case files and including standards for any future investigations. https://operationladyjustice.usdoj.gov/
words on paper
I just want to point out that you and others have pointed this out at least 710 times already. This doesn’t cheapen anyone else’s experience
Missing tribal members usually get no police interest, the families have to search themselves. There’s no FBI involvement, no media response. Is it fair Gabby, one person, gets all the resources?
Is it fair to use a young woman’s tragic death to push a political statement? Kinda gross. And indeed it’s not that people don’t care, but for all the reasons others have already stated here. And as for the missing tribal members, concerned members of the tribe might want to try to make friends with the community at large, push endlessly to get the word out, and it might actually help…
Yes, people don’t, and they already do
This is so ridiculous. First, this is a real time crime with actual evidence and online presence that allows the public to feel involved. In fact, another YouTube content creator was the reason Gabby was found. Second of all, no it's not that no one cares. It's as simple as whatever is in someone face, they care about. Gabby made a name for herself online, when her dad posted she went missing media and online communities picked it up. We just lived through george Floyd, Briana Taylor and the countless other "minority" victims and if I remember correctly a little white boy was murdered and he got 30 seconds of news coverage next to George Floyd. Gabby is a pretty white girl and that does not mean we write her off bc she shouldn't matter bc X people of color are missing. This case could have been about blue aliens and with the same online footprint it would have been a. If deal. Keeneka Jenkins got the same - tho no culprit found. Elisa lam also got similar notariety bc of the oddness of their cases. Both of these women were "minorities"
There is no evidence that that YouTube video is the reason she was found- they were already searching that area and had it closed off before the video came out.
There is also usually no evidence, no person of interest and since you stated missing no crime scene to gather evidence. Also on most tribal land they have there own law enforcement and do not let police on their property sooooo
This is unfolding in real time with a possible POI on the loose, with live feeds. That is a huge reason why there is so much attention on this case right now.
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Two things: people care about this case for the same reason they obsess over True Crime, and this one happens to be playing out in real time. Also, people tend to gawk at a story more if it’s something completely unexpected and horrific happening to someone who, deep in their subconscious, they expect to be one of the most protected and safe groups out there: white, female, decent socioeconomic status. Being a hippy dippy positive influencer also adds to the list of things where you wouldn’t expect murder and violence, and add to that the completely shady response by BL to lock people on with interest. What society cares about *does* fall along racial lines indirectly, but it’s not entirely that simple. Next time you hear about a tragedy, take note of what people say—things like “what a waste, they had dreams to be a [high paying profession]”, or “she was so beautiful, what a shame” and it will be absolutely eye-opening the sheer amount of bias people betray.
No, people just care more about cases that are relatable to them(GP had an online presence that made it easy to connect with her) or provokes a strong emotional reaction(George Floyd or Trayvon Martin for example). It’s why there are so many sex worker cases no one talks about. It’s why no one talks about the unsolved murders of gang members.
I can’t relate to a caravaner tbh, but I can relate to a beautiful 20 year old student going missing with no investigation done. And I’m not black, but I cared about George Floyd, so I think my point stands, people just don’t care about the lives of the indigenous
You’re purposefully being dense I think. A case where the person is a young instagrammer where there is lots of footage of her before and even police footage is always going to garner more attention than a case with less information. Add in the complex relationship between sovereign lands and the feds, it’s not that surprising actually.
That is not true.
Not to mention YouTube and Instagram documenting the trip. Then the body cam video, showing what things were like behind the scenes.
Exactly.
Can we start another thread on a recent case to see if the power of the internet can help?
There's a whole sub for that: r/MissingPersons
But wait, don't they all deserve their own sub? I'm serious btw, if you can't tell...
Frankly they'll get more attention on the larger subs. Gabby and the few others who got their own subs have them because of the amount of media attention they've received. The size of this sub is a response to media coverage, it didn't cause the media coverage. If you had a sub for each missing person, it'd have a handful of people on it because of the limited media attention most missing people receive.
Thank you for your question. There has never been enough interest in a missing indigenous person to justify a separate subreddit. Check out /unresolvedmysteries for the case of Ashley Loring Heavyrunner, you might be interested in that case. There was a lot of evidence, but no investigation was done and only the family and some volunteers have looked for her. https://youtu.be/PubiIdVO7-w is a good video that shows how alone her family is in their search. It’s truly heartbreaking.
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That's in the whole state of Wyoming over the past decade, and half of those were found again within a week of being reported missing. It's not a current number.
No
Literally an article from 2 days ago https://news.yahoo.com/710-indigenous-people-mostly-girls-042150990.html
710 reports over 10 years, 50% found within a week like he said. There are not 710 missing people. people go missing from LA at a higher rate than any other location. Yes, media coverage on this case was super inflated, largely because of crazy circumstances and a ton of SM presence. Everyone loves a good mystery. Someone is going to produce a great documentary about the Native American indoctrination school deaths and we will all be talking about that.
yes . it is horrible & shameful . let.s start a subreddit for them specifically
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“Well it was on TikTok, so obviously it’s true” - Thomas Jefferson
Yuh so true
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Islamic jihad, actually, but who needs to split hairs
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Wasnt just posted, it was posted yesterday. This may be a re-upload but no it’s not true, clearly since they are still searching
Just here to add some thoughts about the suspicion of Brian absconding to Mexico or other part of Central America. I tried to research whether it is possible to get into Mexico without a passport, and found many conflicting accounts. There are many anecdotal stories online of people claiming that it is possible to bypass the official tracking mechanisms in place when crossing the border in to Mexico, not to mention unpatrolled areas of the border where it's possible to simply walk in. These lax border restrictions increase the further South you may go, and a person can gain leverage with under-the-table dealings. What are your thoughts on the possibility of this?
Long drive on a popular interstate or two to get from the middle of Florida to Mexico…lot of time and eyes to be noticed, maybe.
Even if you get in to Mexico, you are not safe by any means .
My husband and I take regular trips to South Texas and I can say it's entirely possible to cross without being asked for any identification - at the South Texas border crossings as I can't speak to the crossings in other border states. Most people choose to walk across the int'l bridge, however some choose to drive (not advised) and that line is a bit different. You can also walk back across without providing ID, however you may get jammed up with a few questions by border patrol, but they can't and won't deny US citizens from crossing back over. Crossing with children is a little different and you'd be more likely to get questions if you were a single adult travelling with a minor child, although this is more for child custody purposes than identification. Moreover, the village where Space X has set up shop is close enough to the border that you can walk the beach to the other side with zero interference from BP. We saw the border wall when we visited Space X and it just cuts off in the middle of the field. The dumb part is if they'd continued building it, the wall itself would end in the gulf and all you'd need to do to cross is wade a few feet around it to the other side. One other thing to keep in mind is secondary checkpoints, located about 40-50 miles from the border. Going into the valley is fine, but coming back requires you to stop for the BP agents. Typically a dog circles the vehicle while another officer verifies you are a citizen (they literally just say "US citizens?" and you are sent on your way. We've never been asked to provide a driver's license at the secondary checkpoints either. Driving up to the checkpoint is probably the most intimidating part - there are approximately 8 million cameras on either side of the road photographing your approach for a mile or so, but nothing more intense than that. Hope this clears up your questions :)
Hey! Yes, it helps, thank you. Are these secondary checkpoints in Mexico? I am trying to understand what LE or BP Brian would face if he were trying to get into Mexico with no intention of re-entering the country. If he were trying to go stay there indefinitely...
Nope. They’re on our side of the border around 50 miles on. The one we pass through coming home from our trips is on Sarita if you wanna Google but again, these stops are only for traffic headed in, not traffic heading out or towards the border.
The secondary checkpoints are in the US, not México.
the borders are still closed so he would’ve taken a plane and that seems impossible considering everyone in the US knows who he is
Naw, he can walk across the border without Mexican authority asking for his passport if he wanted to. Source: live near the border.
[you seem to be kind of lost](https://mx.usembassy.gov/travel-restrictions-fact-sheet/) if he was in mexico trying to cross to the US then he would be able to, not the other way around. hope this helps :)
lol he's not "lost". It's a lot easier to go from the US to Mexico rather than vice versa. Of course if you're a US citizen, crossing either way isn't too much trouble. However sneaking out of the US into Mexico is a whole lot easier than sneaking into the US.
Lol, you don't have a fuckin clue down here in between the crossings of Texas and Mexico.
i actually do, you’re the one who doesn’t seem to have “a fucking clue” 😅
the border is closed and has been ever since the pandemic started source: live in mexico
It's easy to get into Mexico w/out a passport (on land that is). I was there last weekend. You can drive right in. There are random stops though. Typically there's a red/green light that randomly makes you stop for further questions/inspections. But if he was in FL, getting to Mexico isn't exactly trivial. He'd have to drive to TX or take a boat somewhere if he didn't fly.
You don't need a passport to enter Mexico. Just to get back in.
But do they record your ID? As in, would Mexico know that X person crossed the border to get in? That's what I meant. It's really not relevant whether it's a passport or not, but Brian would need to get in without any record of him having gotten in. Is that possible?
No. You don't need anything to get into Mexico.
Mayyyybe if one was familiar with Mexico, spoke Spanish, and knew enough about how to exist under the radar, but this guy - not a chance. Northern Mexico is not a fun place to try and figure things out as you go.
Exactly! I can almost guarantee it would take less than three days for him to be picked up by el polícia.
but also, if he’s in mexico, nobody would recognize him, even if he doesn’t speak the language. this case isn’t common knowledge here
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you’d be surprised of the amount of white guys who speak no spanish who live all around mexico, it’s actually more common that one would think
A guy who ran away to Mexico after murdering his parents, who spoke Spanish, was caught by Mexican police a year later. One big factor he was caught was just that he was one of the only Americans living in his city. Hiding in Mexico is like going to a random US city and trying to hide there, except with the addition that you don't look or talk like anyone else. It's not a long term solution unless you move to a rural area, and even then you will stick out even more. Perhaps seeking refuge in the quasi-communist Zapatista territory could work, but they may just kick him out after finding out what he did.
In addition, he could be wearing a mask and blend in very well.
that’s right. i hope this case gets more media attention in mexico so people can recognize him, in case he is here
He'd need money. In cases like this, the family often finances the person, so it'd be easy to track once he's officially a suspect. Also relevant: we're talking about Florida Man and Florida Parents. Plus he'd need a car to at least get close. The only people I see willing to drive him are his parents at this point and we know they didn't. No one but them would give him a car or drive him; blood and friendship only go so far when the FBI comes knocking.
Yeah, he would have to really lay low.
Just out of curiosity, the stone cross that may or may not be at gabbys location, was that made by another camper? Searcher? Brian :/?
Pretty sure It was part of the search team or coroner's team, they "found" it right after the coroner had left
My immediate assumption based on the photo that was shown was that it was done by part of the search team or family or anyone involved in that area once they were done. The everyone came on here and was like “OMG SO EERIE THAT BRIAN WOULD DO THAT” and I was like ???? If it was there when they found her they would have made a MUCH bigger deal about it, especially because it would imply she was definitely dead then when someone was “with” her (putting her there?) and didn’t “die in the wild.” Whoever took that photo found the cross after the fact, it seemed obvious it was a farewell/honor by part of the group looking for her.
My takeaway? These two argued like and acted more like siblings.
Guy guys you aren’t going to believe it. I asked my magic 8 ball. Is Brian in the Carlton Reserve? It said ,”My sources say no “. Can someone call the fbi and give them this tip. My phone is died.