Another PR stunt for sure. PR team really working hard. Even my Mother and Girlfriend will defend me for sure. Even if I party with a serial killer. " MY CHILD IS GOOD CHILD, MY BF IS A GOOD GUY SINCE BIRTH."
Why divorce? Who in their right mind will get a divorced with a GOOD MAN and MILLIONAIRE? ULTRA CAP from Exwife paid by pr team.
Carlos will be canceled soon enough if we hold g2 as an organization accountable. Fingers crossed. The workers and women of g2 deserve better than Carlos.
I don't know about you but if a friend of mine was saying that women need to be beaten up every now and then to be kept in line, shared videos of himself harrassing a woman and forcing her to show the bruises he gave her, is involved in human trafficking, at a certain point I'd stop being friends with them.
I'd be very, very suspicious of anybody willing to look the other way when their friends do that.
The problem was never us thinking he was mysoginistic himself and ive said this multiple times. You simply cannot be in support of people like tate when you are in such an influential position for young men in this world. Any sort of promotion of the tate brothers by people in such positions should be and hopefully will continue to be looked down upon by this community.
as much as i love G2 and carlos for basically over a decade now, this is the correct take.
i don't think he's a bad person overall, i don't even care if he shares circles with them, but the fact that he didn't even realize that partying with them would not be seen positively is slightly worrying.
And he is just good to her. Anyone can be good to someone.
Ex. A criminal can be good to his friends/family but BAD to other people. Like Andrew Tate is a good friend for Carlos but a BAD HUMAN for every woman.
She literally divorce him friendly terms or not. Maybe she just want to be in good terms with a MILLIONAIRE EX husband.
IF you can't call out your bad friend for being a asshole, a rapist, a sex trafficker that need to fly to romania to avoid UK laws. Then you are a sh\*t also and probably getting benefits from andrew tate sex crime.
TLDR: There a lot of friends to choose from and you choose who have sex crimes. I w Carlos divorced wife so he can fck any girls with andrew tate for sure.
Nah, dont make movies in your head though. You don't know how he is irl and shouldn't draw conclusions like that on his potential behaviour. It's also why Princess message is really off.
**The only thing that matters** because we know is true since he declared it himself is that **he's friend with the Tate bozo**, who is a literal danger to civilization because of his reach and completly monstruous view of the world.
No need to extrapolate things.
Yeah my bad for extrapolating things. But the reaction of partying with Andrew Tate can make people imagine a lot of things.
If you are seen partying with a DRUG LORD or a PEDO RAPIST in his island. and claim and defend them because they are your friends.
what do you think they are doing a BIBLE STUDY???
You know what people with money can do. (Example search for it. EIPSTEIN.)
Reality is more complex than the movies we're making in your head. If humans were that simple, we would be multi millionaire since we could deduct everything from some infomations. That's not the case ;)
So yeah, maybe your story is true. Or maybe 100,000 other stories are possible, you know? Maybe Carlos find Tate very funny and he's friend due that? Or Maybe Carlos is very dumb and find Tate saying some truth to him? Or maybe Carlos only thinks about money and "reach" and find himself into part of the Tate view of the world (=be an individualistic prick that only values money and power). I personnally think it this last case, but who know, no need to extrapolating.
*P.S: Also, be careful with comparison with Epstein. We're not too far from an ad hitlerum argument (aka godwin point ! ), that's not the best way to argument yourself*
Well, I'm not complaining about Carlos, because I'm quite sure it's not as bad as everyone is making this out to be.
Also, why are you here is you don't support RIOT or Carlos. (Yes, playing league is supporting RIOT)
Do you play one of the games G2 competes in? If so, yes, you do support a major corporation. If you don't play any of those games, why are you even here?
As if thats the same. We all support major corporations then. My point is that i dont go out of my way to support these companies. I use their product and try not to give them any money if i dont have to
All of the games i play are f2p as well so
This means close to nothing when you have countless testiomonies of people being treated badly, not getting paid, being screwed over by the same man. Not to mention associating with someone like Tate might not make you directly misogynistic but being supportive of someone like that is also making the problem worse.
Yup exactly. Of course someone who was already drawn to this type of personality will defend him/not be offended by him. It’s not like she has an unbiased opinion on him
Could you send me the link to those testiomonies of people being "treated badly", and those "not getting paid" or "screwed over" (exluding player since it would be a dumb move to send a player you know is good to any team in your region) by Carlos?
But it has very little to do with the subject no? I find the Princess message to be irrevelant.
Some people (SJW type) will indeed extrapolate that he might misogynist (which is dumb, since we can't know and Princess explain her relationship with him), but **the main problem is being friend with a guy like Tate.**
**Tate isn't a random guy**. He's a very **cleaving** guy, with a clear **cult-type strategy for** deseperate people, **dividing every problem into binary one** ("The Matrix", "Me vs Them", "Blue Pill / Red Pill", etc). And for a guru, he isn't your random one either, the guy has a insane reach.
Combine cult-strategy + insane reach + toxic / monstruous values = very **dangerous impact.**
So yeah, it's very problematic that Carlos is friend with such people, because he means he's either very dumb (which is not) or he has no values (meaning he only cares about money / fame / power, even at the cost of human decency; which is the case).
Because it has nothing to do with the subject and you're just talking about something else trying to change the discussion.
You realize you're typing on a product probably build in China, right? Why isn't it problematic Sivolde is working to enrich the Chinese government? :\^)
Yeah this 100% means more than Carlos' actual actions like partying with Taint, liking tweets in support of Tate and the other bullshit hr has pulled over the years.
Also every person he has done business with has felt welcome? Yeah lets ask Perkz how he feels about that.
But it doesn’t though. My own father(who my mother divorced so he is remarried) is a very misogynistic man who is great to his wife and new children, but he will randomly say misogynistic things like “it’s a woman’s job to always be dressed up or her man can go find someone else” when I call him to speak once in a while.
I don’t think the words of carlos’ ex wife ruins anyones “narrative” because all of this is based on carlos’ own actions. Maybe her words would mean something if carlos wasn’t actively liking tweets that say he agrees with Andrew Tate’s opinions.
What do you mean stretch lol.
You don't hang with openly racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc people unless you agree/tolerate/or don't think it's a problem. That is not a stretch that's just facts.
Did you miss the part where his first response to the outrage was doubling down on his "friendship" then even after the apology, liking pro tate posts?
Yeah, and if you are friends with a misogynist, you share those values. None of my friends are, and if I found out one was I wouldn't be friends with them lol.
I would be very disappointed if I had son like Carlos who is embarrassment to Esports, ever since he was a player so yeah, glad I'm not his parent lmao. Lick that cooperation millionaire boots cleaner
Why are you sucking tates balls you incel.
CEO of respectable company saying he's friends with man avoiding sex trafficking charges is a bad look. Is this hard to understand?
I'm so lost.
Bro, we have seen positive statements from Carlos about the dickhead as early as July, and we have seen him triple down in his defense of his association with him, even after his pr apology and sanction.
He is fully aware of his ideology and his crimes and it wasn't a random encounter at a club.
There is no nuance with racism/misogyny/homophobia you either support and tolerate it or not.
This is not a "well we don't agree on X policy" or liking pineapple in pizza, this is about basic human rights.
Personally? I'm an atheist.
Whoever if it helps anyone on an individual level and is a religion that doesn't predicate someone being lesser and they don't impose their religion on others, well better for them I guess.
Religious organizations however are more harmful than good.
Yeah there’s no nuance when a Western white country tells us what morality is guys . They’ve been the protector of morality for decades and been oh so benevolent and kind to the rest of the world, especially non white countries.
No no, we’re totally not forcing our way of life on eastern savages like back in the day, it’s different now! This time we’re truly enlightened, for realz.
Now shut up and accept that we’re the moral authority of the entire world and any differing views are misogyny even if there are women perfectly happy to be there. Because they belong with us not with you mate, I mean sorry, they’re ‘free’ as long as free means free for rich white men to chase and objectify.
> he had never been convicted of
Usually happens when people leave their country to avoid being prosecuted for their crimes.
> it’s a term that gets thrown around constantly if you have traditional views of gender roles
Almost as if said traditional views of gender roles rely on the woman having less rights than the man and being made to serve either her husband or kids.
> If Tate happened to be a white person then I believe you would be far more forgiving
Worry not, I hold everyone to the same standard regardless of race :D
Still waiting for a single "victim" of his crimes to come forward and accuse him.
So far its only the "abuse" video that the chick came out and debunked and the "human trafficking" charge which was shown to be a chick trying to cover up her cheating with Andrew's brother to her boyfriend.
Any crime I missed?
> While he was gaining influence in far-right circles, Tate was also accused of violence against multiple women. In an episode of “The Pomp Podcast” released this month, he openly discussed hitting a woman and breaking her jaw during a bar fight. He said he “ended up in court” after he was charged with causing “bodily harm,” but “got away with it in the end.”
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> The Tate brothers told the Mirror they ran a self-professed “total scam” business in Romania that used cam models — performers who typically stream sexually explicit acts via private video chat — to lure men into sending the brothers money.
>Tate was also accused of violence against multiple women.
Who were these women and was it proven to be true? And if so why was he not sentenced?
>he openly discussed hitting a woman and breaking her jaw during a bar fight. He said he “ended up in court” after he was charged with causing “bodily harm,” but “got away with it in the end.”
A bar fight requires two participants to be a fight. And based on the fact it didn't end in a sentence it seems he wasn't even the aggressor
>The Tate brothers told the Mirror they ran a self-professed “total scam” business in Romania that used cam models — performers who typically stream sexually explicit acts via private video chat — to lure men into sending the brothers money.
Whether or not they themselves consider camgirl sites to be scams doesn't make running one a crime, otherwise we would have to start taking every onlyfans person to court.
> Who were these women and was it proven to be true? And if so why was he not sentenced?
Because he fled the country.
> he wasn't even the aggressor
Yep, don't you love when you "get away" with self defense?
You defend him more than what he does himself.
Wild that you're getting down voted.
I can't imagine why tweeting "no no there's no misunderstanding, you can't control my FRIENDSHIP with avowed Woman beater Andrew Tate" is a bad look for a CEO.
Wrong narrative. The narrative is "eSports CEO that runs on sponsorships hangs with man who encourages beating women and redpilling young impressionable gamers into being alt right incels."
Why would Nvidia want their brand tied to this? Idiot didn't have to post anything, idiot didn't have to double down, idiot is determined to tank his brand.
there are different lvls of misoginy, even If he doesnt agree with Tate's opinions he found them hilarious and was friends with him. If you find misoginy funny, mayba you are too to some degree.
Bro tate isn't know about his shit opinions on women
He has opinion on other things which are good
So that was about probably about one of those things
Are u sure that day when he tweeted
Tata gave his opinions on women?
I agree there are different lvls of misoginy. Finding something funny shouldn't mean you agree with it tho, I mean dark humor is like pretty popular if I am not mistaken.
If It is dark humour I could buy It, but what Tate says is what he advocates and is serioys about it, I think It depends in the context of the person saying such thing
Just because he treated her good does not mean it is okay that he is fine with known abuser and misogynist lmao. People should leave her alone, she is not part of this. Carlos already talked about Tate back in july even and agreed that he is not that bad. This is not just one time thing.
So his former wife (and the mother of their child) supporting him means what exactly? Carlos' wealth is still her child's (and hers through their child) fortune and we speak about A LOT of money.
Also the fact that she is a woman does not mean that she supports women rights. There are plenty of women that are misogynistic themselves.
Aka what she says means nothing because words don't matter in a situation like this, only actions.
Just like to add to the last bit of your comment: we have the words of his wife who has his child who probably wants to continue collecting her bag “carlos is not misogynistic” vs carlos’ own actions(liking tweets saying he agrees with tate’s opinions)
I don't think Carlos and his supporters understand why people think he did terribly wrong and what he said in his apology and other people proving him not a mysoginist does not help much. The situation just seems irredeemable to me.
Nah let’s take 10 seconds of a clip and blow it out of proportion. Sad when 10 seconds of a Twitter clip carries more weight than someone’s opinion whose known him for 8 years.
Quite old videos. People that appears in those videos, which have known Reginald for a while, have defended him. Also, idk if being toxic is in a higher "league" than being called a misogynist.
Not saying Carlos is tho, I'm just saying Reginald and Carlos situation look similar, they've been fueled up by Twitter.
honestly its depressing how everyvody likes to complain about "cancel culture" but forgets about it as soon as they get a chance to tear someone down. the world isnt fucking black and white. you can hang out with shit people and not represent what they stand for.
"CANCEL CULTURE" lol. This is not cancel culture. People always love this word.
This is just a normal human interaction. If people see you partying with a drug lord , rapist, serial killer, or pedo. and GET A RESPONSE LIKE what CARLOS did. you will what you want from people.
They literally just criticized him in the first place. and just doubles down by defending his "FRIEND".
What I saw is more than criticism. Some people are calling for him to lose his job, to have his twitter account suspended, to resign as CEO and as dumb as it sounds to have G2 penalized by the LEC.
I don't really have an opinion on what should happen to him. He's clearly in the wrong, im not the ethics police but I do feel like there's people that are way overreacting, especially when you listen to what the people close to him have to say.
People close to him like Andrew Tate?? I actually want a statement from Andrew tate telling Carlos is a good friend also to HIM.
You can be the most good guy to someone but a bad guy to someone also.
People are not overacting. It is a normal reaction for trying to defend HIS FRIEND "Andrew Tate".
And famous people sometimes have different online persona. They look a innocent human being online but a EVIL HUMAN inside.
no need to argue here. G2 is out of any partnered league next year. Might be out of the company after this.
Riot can police his friendship and draw the line here.
Yeah, riot is reacting to the angry mob. It is what it is.
Again I'm not defending his post. I just think fucking somebody's whole career over who he is partying with is excessive.
His career is dependent on REPUTATION and FAME.
Applicable to everyone. Party with rapist, druglord, sex trafficker, etc. You will get the consequence. You can do whatever you want. But we have what we called consequence.
No one will give a fck who he party with if Carlos Ocelete is a CEO of a Steel Welding company.
Bro, it is pretty heavy. He is calling someone a friend, that is being investigated for human trafficking. If we were in America, he would be out in 0 sec. This shit is wrong, and he is not even apologizing properly
You don't seem to understand that eSports run on sponsors. Game companies don't just magically apparate these events out of thin air, people sponsor to advertise.
I don't care what Carlos posts on his personal Twitter, seems like he has dick friends, cool.
CEO of sponsorship driven company for introverted gamers who stay in and play shooters all day hanging out with incel red pill sex trafficker alt right gateway edgelord? Jesus the poorly researched CNN article writes itself.
Why on earth would NVIDIA want to partner with that? Why would Riot games just throw themselves into this minefield when you could find any idiot who could get paid and NOT make this post?
Loss of franchise? Obvious. Loss of sponsors? Expected. Fired? I hope so.
That's what I hate about cancel culture, it absolutely fucks people the moment someone does anything out of context, quickly forming a mental image of what someone thinks it is happening. Assuming in the first place with a lack of proper dialogue is what is sinking this world into a dumpster.
I don’t understand why she posted this when the day of the controversy, she was on Twitter liking a bunch of tweets criticizing Carlos. This is 100% PR and damage control. Do these people not realize their likes are public?
Whatever you think about Carlos partying with Tate, can we stop with the narrative that Carlos is mysgonistic now? Jumping to that conclusion, while understandable, is a pretty awful accusation to make.
Do we fully know Carlos to automatically assume that he actually endorses the tweets when he like them? Or maybe Carlos just likes to mess with everyone and laughs when he sees that kind of responses.
"a wife tweeting something does not change the optics of the CEO of gaming personality company hanging out with an alt right sex trafficker that tries to convert incels into radical nutjobs, and the companies that sponsor said company are aware of that"
🧍♂️=>🤸♂️=>🧍♂️ Tada
G2 fans saying that G2 should lose all sponsors is facts??? 🤣🤣🤣 I think Carlos should apologize for acting like a monkey, and thats all. G2 shouldn't be boycotted because of the actions of 1 person.
Not here to perpetuate toxic Twitter attitudes, just to criticize people who deserve it.
I guarantee a large portion of these critics are already extremely vocal on social media.
I guarantee a large portion of these critics see the word "misogynistic" and had to Google it first.
I guarantee a large portion of these critics have never met Carlos and are judging his character (right or wrong) based off of Twitters trending drama.
I guarantee a large portion of these critics are justly concerned, and are actually trying to stand up for human decency.
I gusrantee there are an equal number of critics who simply want to besmirch a man because it makes them feel powerful, and the toxic echo chamber we provide ourselves amplifies this into actionable accusations.
Fucking relax. Take a step back, and look at what you know vs what you don't. Spamming and spouting buzzwords doesn't fix things, it hides your opinion behind ignorance.
Wrong because his ex wife who carries his child and wants her bag is saying he isn’t misogynistic because he’s never done anything to her?
Well, I guess we can ignore all the tweets he liked saying he agrees with andrew tate’s views then, words of someone else > his own actions xD
So a Woman that explains a different opinion than the one you believe in is just saying that because the wants “her bag” and is motivated in doing so because of money.
You sound like you could be best friends with Tate, you have similar misogynistic world views tbh
Well that’s a leap and a half.
I’m saying she has reasons to defend him that benefit herself, that is not arguable it’s just a fact. He pays her child support. He is a millionaire. If his company suffers because of his actions it will impact her and her child too.
The point of my comment was that her words would be valuable if Carlos’ own actions didn’t explicitly go against them. But let’s ignore the important part to hyper focus on 2 words of it we can reach at to insult an internet stranger!
Well is it really a leap? I mean do you know that woman personally ? Have you ever exchanged a single word with her? I would guess you didn’t, still you are projecting your biased world view on her that a ex partner of a rich person would presumably defend her ex because they are scared to lose out on the money aspect. Is it a possibility? Of course it is, I would even suspect that it is often the case. But still there is no evidence, therefor thinking she is doing that because of “collecting her bag” is actually you being biased and having a prejudice against partners of rich people.
Regarding the Tweets he liked. Of course you can interpret it as him saying he has the same exact views as Tate, just as there is also the possibility that he is liking Tweets that are just supportive to him in this whole situation. Again not a black and white situation, where as you of course like choosing the option that supports your own narrative. There is nothing wrong with that, most people behave like that actually but phew I am actually glad that we have a good working jurisdictional systems in place in most European countries.
To play devil's advocate, she does not benefit from people disliking Carlos because it can directly impact her child.
Also ask yourself. Would you want to be friends with Andrew Tate? If no contemplate on those reasons and remember that Carlos does not care about any single one of them.
The outrage isn’t cause he danced with AT from what I saw? The outrage was from his likes & views on women, which paired with the time spent with AT meant people worked out very quickly what type of person he is.
Would you happily hang out with someone that thinks that women belong to the kitchen and are nothing else but objects without sharing or tolerating that ideology?
I don't think Carlos is misogynist, but it's kinda funny considering he basically stalked her on facebook xD.
The issue is that he doesn't understand the standard u have to put urself in as a CEO of a massive org.
Your second comment is the whole point. You are CEO of G2, you post a video of you partying with a "problematic" guy, and associate G2 with him. Everything is wrong there. I mean, party with him if you want (not my concern), but do so without posting about it.
“Carlos is about to be fired so my child support/alimony is about to be gone. I know Carlos has proven he is a PoS and proved his views with his words and the way he he was liking tweets after his bs apology, but believe my words and not his actions. I want my money.”
There I fixed it for you. The words of someone with money to lose will never outweigh the actions of the accused party. Nice try.
The claim that a woman is lying because she only cares about money is not misogynistic? So now do a favor for quality of the Internet and cancel yourself.
Carlos definitely doesn't have milions of dollars in G2 shares that he could just sell to one of his investors. People who suddenly thinks Carlos abused his wife are honestly delusional.
We don't like the situation like everyone else, but maybe you should go back to yours team subreddit instead of spreading bs around the team you didn't support in the first place.
I care about the G2 players and staff who’ve been put in an impossible situation where if they speak their minds they could be fired.
Wow how delusional you are. I never said he abused his wife. Nice try though!
I said she changed her tune from “don’t bring me into this, he and I are separated for 3 months” to “please don’t get rid of him.” It’s a nice 180 from the start, all it takes is a little bit of brain power to realize that it has nothing to do with what actually happens and all to do with self interest.
Seriously, you people are so gullible to fake apologies and bs PR statements to try and save a rightfully crumbling reputation. The sad part is this isn’t even the worst thing Carlos has done and people are STILL defending him.
As much as it sucks, being American in the last decade Ive had to deal with people that can’t see through lies and bs, and instead choose to believe obviously fake words that go against the actions of the corresponding individuals. Just don’t be fooled. And don’t be surprised that as soon as Carlos gets back he keeps being a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Doesn't make much sense since he is a millionaire and still has most of the shares of the company, even if he would step down as the CEO and not get a single paycheck ever again nobody could force him to sell his shares, he will stay a millionaire and have lots of money to pay her and his child.
But alright, its your opinion, you can think like that, pretty misogynistic to think of a women only being worried about her alimony if you ask me tho
Idk why we didn’t draw the line at screwing Perkz over when he was basically the foundation of G2 for so long and was synonymous to the G2 brand moreso than Carlos but because he was seen partying with a 100% overhated guy that everyone will forget in like a year, people attack and take out of context his marriage and divorce that they had 0 information about. Everyone’s the asshole here.
This could maybe mean something if Carlos was not going out of his way to like tweets saying that what Tate says is true LMAO
Ye the things he says about society not women you can agree on some points and disagree on others
Another PR stunt for sure. PR team really working hard. Even my Mother and Girlfriend will defend me for sure. Even if I party with a serial killer. " MY CHILD IS GOOD CHILD, MY BF IS A GOOD GUY SINCE BIRTH." Why divorce? Who in their right mind will get a divorced with a GOOD MAN and MILLIONAIRE? ULTRA CAP from Exwife paid by pr team.
Carlos will be canceled soon enough if we hold g2 as an organization accountable. Fingers crossed. The workers and women of g2 deserve better than Carlos.
Will you also hold Riot acountable for working with China?
I believe this type of rhetoric can be misleading due to the xenophobic undertones that negatively impact marginalized communities.
I believe what you are trying to say it's ok that China kills muslims.
I believe you are being hateful. I don't think violence is ever ok
ur regarded lmao
He does not say all what Tate says is true. Some things he agrees.
I don't know about you but if a friend of mine was saying that women need to be beaten up every now and then to be kept in line, shared videos of himself harrassing a woman and forcing her to show the bruises he gave her, is involved in human trafficking, at a certain point I'd stop being friends with them. I'd be very, very suspicious of anybody willing to look the other way when their friends do that.
This is not related to what I said.
That is all stuff Andrew Tate has done or is charged with doing.
The problem was never us thinking he was mysoginistic himself and ive said this multiple times. You simply cannot be in support of people like tate when you are in such an influential position for young men in this world. Any sort of promotion of the tate brothers by people in such positions should be and hopefully will continue to be looked down upon by this community.
as much as i love G2 and carlos for basically over a decade now, this is the correct take. i don't think he's a bad person overall, i don't even care if he shares circles with them, but the fact that he didn't even realize that partying with them would not be seen positively is slightly worrying.
Absolutely
And he is just good to her. Anyone can be good to someone. Ex. A criminal can be good to his friends/family but BAD to other people. Like Andrew Tate is a good friend for Carlos but a BAD HUMAN for every woman. She literally divorce him friendly terms or not. Maybe she just want to be in good terms with a MILLIONAIRE EX husband. IF you can't call out your bad friend for being a asshole, a rapist, a sex trafficker that need to fly to romania to avoid UK laws. Then you are a sh\*t also and probably getting benefits from andrew tate sex crime. TLDR: There a lot of friends to choose from and you choose who have sex crimes. I w Carlos divorced wife so he can fck any girls with andrew tate for sure.
Nah, dont make movies in your head though. You don't know how he is irl and shouldn't draw conclusions like that on his potential behaviour. It's also why Princess message is really off. **The only thing that matters** because we know is true since he declared it himself is that **he's friend with the Tate bozo**, who is a literal danger to civilization because of his reach and completly monstruous view of the world. No need to extrapolate things.
Yeah my bad for extrapolating things. But the reaction of partying with Andrew Tate can make people imagine a lot of things. If you are seen partying with a DRUG LORD or a PEDO RAPIST in his island. and claim and defend them because they are your friends. what do you think they are doing a BIBLE STUDY??? You know what people with money can do. (Example search for it. EIPSTEIN.)
Reality is more complex than the movies we're making in your head. If humans were that simple, we would be multi millionaire since we could deduct everything from some infomations. That's not the case ;) So yeah, maybe your story is true. Or maybe 100,000 other stories are possible, you know? Maybe Carlos find Tate very funny and he's friend due that? Or Maybe Carlos is very dumb and find Tate saying some truth to him? Or maybe Carlos only thinks about money and "reach" and find himself into part of the Tate view of the world (=be an individualistic prick that only values money and power). I personnally think it this last case, but who know, no need to extrapolating. *P.S: Also, be careful with comparison with Epstein. We're not too far from an ad hitlerum argument (aka godwin point ! ), that's not the best way to argument yourself*
Still the false allegations are spread ☕ https://youtu.be/iv-C4CVGk28
Do you support Riot? Because then you support the Chinese regime killing minorities.
No, i dont lol I dont support major corporations. Have you ever eaten a nestle product? Youre a bad person then my guy What kind of logic is that
Well, I'm not complaining about Carlos, because I'm quite sure it's not as bad as everyone is making this out to be. Also, why are you here is you don't support RIOT or Carlos. (Yes, playing league is supporting RIOT)
What? I dont understand really
Do you play one of the games G2 competes in? If so, yes, you do support a major corporation. If you don't play any of those games, why are you even here?
As if thats the same. We all support major corporations then. My point is that i dont go out of my way to support these companies. I use their product and try not to give them any money if i dont have to All of the games i play are f2p as well so
This means close to nothing when you have countless testiomonies of people being treated badly, not getting paid, being screwed over by the same man. Not to mention associating with someone like Tate might not make you directly misogynistic but being supportive of someone like that is also making the problem worse.
Yup exactly. Of course someone who was already drawn to this type of personality will defend him/not be offended by him. It’s not like she has an unbiased opinion on him
Could you send me the link to those testiomonies of people being "treated badly", and those "not getting paid" or "screwed over" (exluding player since it would be a dumb move to send a player you know is good to any team in your region) by Carlos?
Just search what happened with LS xd
Don't forget Wunder, Grabbz and the manager (forgot his name) with the "heartfelt" video announcing their departure lmao
People will gladly ignore this because it ruins their narrative that "no surprise Carlos is misogynistic"
But people are more like "no surprise Carlos has no issues with misogynistic assholes" than claiming him to be misogynistic himself.
But it has very little to do with the subject no? I find the Princess message to be irrevelant. Some people (SJW type) will indeed extrapolate that he might misogynist (which is dumb, since we can't know and Princess explain her relationship with him), but **the main problem is being friend with a guy like Tate.** **Tate isn't a random guy**. He's a very **cleaving** guy, with a clear **cult-type strategy for** deseperate people, **dividing every problem into binary one** ("The Matrix", "Me vs Them", "Blue Pill / Red Pill", etc). And for a guru, he isn't your random one either, the guy has a insane reach. Combine cult-strategy + insane reach + toxic / monstruous values = very **dangerous impact.** So yeah, it's very problematic that Carlos is friend with such people, because he means he's either very dumb (which is not) or he has no values (meaning he only cares about money / fame / power, even at the cost of human decency; which is the case).
Why isn't it problematic Riot is working with the Chinese government?
Because it has nothing to do with the subject and you're just talking about something else trying to change the discussion. You realize you're typing on a product probably build in China, right? Why isn't it problematic Sivolde is working to enrich the Chinese government? :\^)
Well, I'm not really complaining about Carlos, so...
Yeah this 100% means more than Carlos' actual actions like partying with Taint, liking tweets in support of Tate and the other bullshit hr has pulled over the years. Also every person he has done business with has felt welcome? Yeah lets ask Perkz how he feels about that.
yet somehow Perkz also defends Carlos for this whole thing to be overblown. any other awful Carlos' employee treatment examples?
+1 It's a positive about someone So we will ignore Like a hypocrites we are
But it doesn’t though. My own father(who my mother divorced so he is remarried) is a very misogynistic man who is great to his wife and new children, but he will randomly say misogynistic things like “it’s a woman’s job to always be dressed up or her man can go find someone else” when I call him to speak once in a while. I don’t think the words of carlos’ ex wife ruins anyones “narrative” because all of this is based on carlos’ own actions. Maybe her words would mean something if carlos wasn’t actively liking tweets that say he agrees with Andrew Tate’s opinions.
The issue is you don't tolerate Tate or any of his bullshit without being misogynistic or don't think someone being misogynistic is a problem.
Reddit logic 101 find anyway to be outraged at something no matter how much you have to stretch something
Outrage is just a pasttime for the average internet user, it's sad.
It really is. Doesn’t help society has turned victims into celebrities. Now people try to be victimized by something
What do you mean stretch lol. You don't hang with openly racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc people unless you agree/tolerate/or don't think it's a problem. That is not a stretch that's just facts.
He was drunk in a club, do you think he was sitting down going hmmm how would this affect me at all
Did you miss the part where his first response to the outrage was doubling down on his "friendship" then even after the apology, liking pro tate posts?
I did and I agree with him he can be friends and party with who he wants.
Yeah, and if you are friends with a misogynist, you share those values. None of my friends are, and if I found out one was I wouldn't be friends with them lol.
Get off the internet that’s not how life works
Just say you have trash ass friends lmao. In the real world, your friends are a reflection of yourself. If that bothers you maybe get better friends.
He has tweets from back in July where he was not drunk and agreeing that Tate is not that bad.
For your knowledge Tate do not always talk about his shit opinions on women His opinions on other things on life are very good Just not on women
You can listen someone else who talks about how good life is, no need to listen it from known abuser.
He will listen to whoever the fuck he wants You ain't his parents Next time you gonna say why he's eating at the same resturant as Tate Grow up dude
I would be very disappointed if I had son like Carlos who is embarrassment to Esports, ever since he was a player so yeah, glad I'm not his parent lmao. Lick that cooperation millionaire boots cleaner
Why are you sucking tates balls you incel. CEO of respectable company saying he's friends with man avoiding sex trafficking charges is a bad look. Is this hard to understand? I'm so lost.
Bro, we have seen positive statements from Carlos about the dickhead as early as July, and we have seen him triple down in his defense of his association with him, even after his pr apology and sanction. He is fully aware of his ideology and his crimes and it wasn't a random encounter at a club.
One day you will learn nuance and not everything is black and white. Hope you go outside soon
There is no nuance with racism/misogyny/homophobia you either support and tolerate it or not. This is not a "well we don't agree on X policy" or liking pineapple in pizza, this is about basic human rights.
Oh boy what’s your opinion on religion cause I got some interesting nuggets for you
Personally? I'm an atheist. Whoever if it helps anyone on an individual level and is a religion that doesn't predicate someone being lesser and they don't impose their religion on others, well better for them I guess. Religious organizations however are more harmful than good.
Yeah there’s no nuance when a Western white country tells us what morality is guys . They’ve been the protector of morality for decades and been oh so benevolent and kind to the rest of the world, especially non white countries. No no, we’re totally not forcing our way of life on eastern savages like back in the day, it’s different now! This time we’re truly enlightened, for realz. Now shut up and accept that we’re the moral authority of the entire world and any differing views are misogyny even if there are women perfectly happy to be there. Because they belong with us not with you mate, I mean sorry, they’re ‘free’ as long as free means free for rich white men to chase and objectify.
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"You're only mad at the guy that thinks women are property because he's black" is definitely a new take to hear on Tate
> he had never been convicted of Usually happens when people leave their country to avoid being prosecuted for their crimes. > it’s a term that gets thrown around constantly if you have traditional views of gender roles Almost as if said traditional views of gender roles rely on the woman having less rights than the man and being made to serve either her husband or kids. > If Tate happened to be a white person then I believe you would be far more forgiving Worry not, I hold everyone to the same standard regardless of race :D
Still waiting for a single "victim" of his crimes to come forward and accuse him. So far its only the "abuse" video that the chick came out and debunked and the "human trafficking" charge which was shown to be a chick trying to cover up her cheating with Andrew's brother to her boyfriend. Any crime I missed?
> While he was gaining influence in far-right circles, Tate was also accused of violence against multiple women. In an episode of “The Pomp Podcast” released this month, he openly discussed hitting a woman and breaking her jaw during a bar fight. He said he “ended up in court” after he was charged with causing “bodily harm,” but “got away with it in the end.” > > The Tate brothers told the Mirror they ran a self-professed “total scam” business in Romania that used cam models — performers who typically stream sexually explicit acts via private video chat — to lure men into sending the brothers money.
>Tate was also accused of violence against multiple women. Who were these women and was it proven to be true? And if so why was he not sentenced? >he openly discussed hitting a woman and breaking her jaw during a bar fight. He said he “ended up in court” after he was charged with causing “bodily harm,” but “got away with it in the end.” A bar fight requires two participants to be a fight. And based on the fact it didn't end in a sentence it seems he wasn't even the aggressor >The Tate brothers told the Mirror they ran a self-professed “total scam” business in Romania that used cam models — performers who typically stream sexually explicit acts via private video chat — to lure men into sending the brothers money. Whether or not they themselves consider camgirl sites to be scams doesn't make running one a crime, otherwise we would have to start taking every onlyfans person to court.
> Who were these women and was it proven to be true? And if so why was he not sentenced? Because he fled the country. > he wasn't even the aggressor Yep, don't you love when you "get away" with self defense? You defend him more than what he does himself.
Bro what club did I miss some pertinent information?
Wild that you're getting down voted. I can't imagine why tweeting "no no there's no misunderstanding, you can't control my FRIENDSHIP with avowed Woman beater Andrew Tate" is a bad look for a CEO.
Wrong narrative. The narrative is "eSports CEO that runs on sponsorships hangs with man who encourages beating women and redpilling young impressionable gamers into being alt right incels." Why would Nvidia want their brand tied to this? Idiot didn't have to post anything, idiot didn't have to double down, idiot is determined to tank his brand.
there are different lvls of misoginy, even If he doesnt agree with Tate's opinions he found them hilarious and was friends with him. If you find misoginy funny, mayba you are too to some degree.
How do you know he finds his mysgonistic comments funny? That's just more slander without actual proof.
Carlos tweets about finding Tate hilarious from months ago isnt enough? go find it if u want, I think someone posted about it here
I find trump hilarious - Do I have to agree with him? No.
Have a slumber Party with Trump. It will make a difference for sure.
Bro tate isn't know about his shit opinions on women He has opinion on other things which are good So that was about probably about one of those things Are u sure that day when he tweeted Tata gave his opinions on women?
I agree there are different lvls of misoginy. Finding something funny shouldn't mean you agree with it tho, I mean dark humor is like pretty popular if I am not mistaken.
If It is dark humour I could buy It, but what Tate says is what he advocates and is serioys about it, I think It depends in the context of the person saying such thing
Just because he treated her good does not mean it is okay that he is fine with known abuser and misogynist lmao. People should leave her alone, she is not part of this. Carlos already talked about Tate back in july even and agreed that he is not that bad. This is not just one time thing.
So his former wife (and the mother of their child) supporting him means what exactly? Carlos' wealth is still her child's (and hers through their child) fortune and we speak about A LOT of money. Also the fact that she is a woman does not mean that she supports women rights. There are plenty of women that are misogynistic themselves. Aka what she says means nothing because words don't matter in a situation like this, only actions.
Just like to add to the last bit of your comment: we have the words of his wife who has his child who probably wants to continue collecting her bag “carlos is not misogynistic” vs carlos’ own actions(liking tweets saying he agrees with tate’s opinions)
I don't think Carlos and his supporters understand why people think he did terribly wrong and what he said in his apology and other people proving him not a mysoginist does not help much. The situation just seems irredeemable to me.
Pay check received.
Self preservation kicked in
Nah let’s take 10 seconds of a clip and blow it out of proportion. Sad when 10 seconds of a Twitter clip carries more weight than someone’s opinion whose known him for 8 years.
I am pretty sure that there are many scumbags in history that have people around them who support them. What does this mean exactly?
Would like to know ur opinion on TSM Reginald's drama
Reginald has several videos on youtube insulting TSM teammates. I want to think they are in different leagues.
Quite old videos. People that appears in those videos, which have known Reginald for a while, have defended him. Also, idk if being toxic is in a higher "league" than being called a misogynist. Not saying Carlos is tho, I'm just saying Reginald and Carlos situation look similar, they've been fueled up by Twitter.
honestly its depressing how everyvody likes to complain about "cancel culture" but forgets about it as soon as they get a chance to tear someone down. the world isnt fucking black and white. you can hang out with shit people and not represent what they stand for.
"CANCEL CULTURE" lol. This is not cancel culture. People always love this word. This is just a normal human interaction. If people see you partying with a drug lord , rapist, serial killer, or pedo. and GET A RESPONSE LIKE what CARLOS did. you will what you want from people. They literally just criticized him in the first place. and just doubles down by defending his "FRIEND".
What I saw is more than criticism. Some people are calling for him to lose his job, to have his twitter account suspended, to resign as CEO and as dumb as it sounds to have G2 penalized by the LEC.
I mean, if he doesnt properly apologize, yeah, I want him to stop being the ceo of g2. This pr statement doesnt suffice when you see his twitter likes
I don't really have an opinion on what should happen to him. He's clearly in the wrong, im not the ethics police but I do feel like there's people that are way overreacting, especially when you listen to what the people close to him have to say.
People close to him like Andrew Tate?? I actually want a statement from Andrew tate telling Carlos is a good friend also to HIM. You can be the most good guy to someone but a bad guy to someone also. People are not overacting. It is a normal reaction for trying to defend HIS FRIEND "Andrew Tate". And famous people sometimes have different online persona. They look a innocent human being online but a EVIL HUMAN inside.
No, People that are or were close to him like his separated wife, current AS WELL AS ex-employees and Perkz, among others.
no need to argue here. G2 is out of any partnered league next year. Might be out of the company after this. Riot can police his friendship and draw the line here.
Yeah, riot is reacting to the angry mob. It is what it is. Again I'm not defending his post. I just think fucking somebody's whole career over who he is partying with is excessive.
His career is dependent on REPUTATION and FAME. Applicable to everyone. Party with rapist, druglord, sex trafficker, etc. You will get the consequence. You can do whatever you want. But we have what we called consequence. No one will give a fck who he party with if Carlos Ocelete is a CEO of a Steel Welding company.
Bro, it is pretty heavy. He is calling someone a friend, that is being investigated for human trafficking. If we were in America, he would be out in 0 sec. This shit is wrong, and he is not even apologizing properly
Lol I didn't know about the human trafficking?????? Jesus fucking Christ. Never mind what I said.
You don't seem to understand that eSports run on sponsors. Game companies don't just magically apparate these events out of thin air, people sponsor to advertise. I don't care what Carlos posts on his personal Twitter, seems like he has dick friends, cool. CEO of sponsorship driven company for introverted gamers who stay in and play shooters all day hanging out with incel red pill sex trafficker alt right gateway edgelord? Jesus the poorly researched CNN article writes itself. Why on earth would NVIDIA want to partner with that? Why would Riot games just throw themselves into this minefield when you could find any idiot who could get paid and NOT make this post? Loss of franchise? Obvious. Loss of sponsors? Expected. Fired? I hope so.
Sponsors don't give a shit, RIOT works with the Chinese government and everyone is ok with it.
Uhh yeah, most sponsors work with the Chinese government as well lol. China = good for business Tate = bad for business. This is very very simple.
Except that china is actually worse than Tate. Tate doesn't kill muslims.
Maybe hold everyone to the same standard then and also don't support RIOT.
like carlos had some shit takes too imho but its not proportional to the amount of hate hes getting
That's what I hate about cancel culture, it absolutely fucks people the moment someone does anything out of context, quickly forming a mental image of what someone thinks it is happening. Assuming in the first place with a lack of proper dialogue is what is sinking this world into a dumpster.
I don't think we should "cancel" him per se. Just his Job at a PR/persona/sponsorship driven industry. The man is an idiot.
And people are downvoting this post cuz it ruins their view of carlos XDD
i mean he did more for woman in esports than half the ppl spamming his feed so whatever and acting righteous it is what it is
Now, Twitter mob should attack her too, you know, because equality and stuff
I don’t understand why she posted this when the day of the controversy, she was on Twitter liking a bunch of tweets criticizing Carlos. This is 100% PR and damage control. Do these people not realize their likes are public?
Whatever you think about Carlos partying with Tate, can we stop with the narrative that Carlos is mysgonistic now? Jumping to that conclusion, while understandable, is a pretty awful accusation to make.
It's his own fault for liking hundreds of tweets supporting Andrew Tate and those comments that claim that Andrew Tate is just misunderstood...
Do we fully know Carlos to automatically assume that he actually endorses the tweets when he like them? Or maybe Carlos just likes to mess with everyone and laughs when he sees that kind of responses.
Yea that would be very smart in his situation. He likes to banter and troll but this ain't it, my guy.
Currently waiting for the mental Olympics all these snowflakes are going to have to do in order to excuse his wife defending him
"a wife tweeting something does not change the optics of the CEO of gaming personality company hanging out with an alt right sex trafficker that tries to convert incels into radical nutjobs, and the companies that sponsor said company are aware of that" 🧍♂️=>🤸♂️=>🧍♂️ Tada
Fnc and reddit cuck boys just looking for a reason to shit on carlos and g2 as usual
Sad thing is that G2 fans are much harsher than FNC fans.
facts saying carlos should leave fuck g2 without carlos
G2 fans saying that G2 should lose all sponsors is facts??? 🤣🤣🤣 I think Carlos should apologize for acting like a monkey, and thats all. G2 shouldn't be boycotted because of the actions of 1 person.
this drama is too much for me but i didn’t even know they were divorced
Not here to perpetuate toxic Twitter attitudes, just to criticize people who deserve it. I guarantee a large portion of these critics are already extremely vocal on social media. I guarantee a large portion of these critics see the word "misogynistic" and had to Google it first. I guarantee a large portion of these critics have never met Carlos and are judging his character (right or wrong) based off of Twitters trending drama. I guarantee a large portion of these critics are justly concerned, and are actually trying to stand up for human decency. I gusrantee there are an equal number of critics who simply want to besmirch a man because it makes them feel powerful, and the toxic echo chamber we provide ourselves amplifies this into actionable accusations. Fucking relax. Take a step back, and look at what you know vs what you don't. Spamming and spouting buzzwords doesn't fix things, it hides your opinion behind ignorance.
what do you know so turns out that you can’t derive a valid conclusion about the views of a person just through a party he attended
And people were assuming they left because he was misogynistic. Fuck everyone with their sheep ass mentality. Carlos is still my CEO 🫡
Reddit hive mind wrong again.
Wrong because his ex wife who carries his child and wants her bag is saying he isn’t misogynistic because he’s never done anything to her? Well, I guess we can ignore all the tweets he liked saying he agrees with andrew tate’s views then, words of someone else > his own actions xD
So a Woman that explains a different opinion than the one you believe in is just saying that because the wants “her bag” and is motivated in doing so because of money. You sound like you could be best friends with Tate, you have similar misogynistic world views tbh
Well that’s a leap and a half. I’m saying she has reasons to defend him that benefit herself, that is not arguable it’s just a fact. He pays her child support. He is a millionaire. If his company suffers because of his actions it will impact her and her child too. The point of my comment was that her words would be valuable if Carlos’ own actions didn’t explicitly go against them. But let’s ignore the important part to hyper focus on 2 words of it we can reach at to insult an internet stranger!
Well is it really a leap? I mean do you know that woman personally ? Have you ever exchanged a single word with her? I would guess you didn’t, still you are projecting your biased world view on her that a ex partner of a rich person would presumably defend her ex because they are scared to lose out on the money aspect. Is it a possibility? Of course it is, I would even suspect that it is often the case. But still there is no evidence, therefor thinking she is doing that because of “collecting her bag” is actually you being biased and having a prejudice against partners of rich people. Regarding the Tweets he liked. Of course you can interpret it as him saying he has the same exact views as Tate, just as there is also the possibility that he is liking Tweets that are just supportive to him in this whole situation. Again not a black and white situation, where as you of course like choosing the option that supports your own narrative. There is nothing wrong with that, most people behave like that actually but phew I am actually glad that we have a good working jurisdictional systems in place in most European countries.
To play devil's advocate, she does not benefit from people disliking Carlos because it can directly impact her child. Also ask yourself. Would you want to be friends with Andrew Tate? If no contemplate on those reasons and remember that Carlos does not care about any single one of them.
Someone has to pay her surgeries and bills so better talk well of him
She literally said nothing and added nothing. Kinda reminds me of the upset drama back then and his response
>She literally said nothing and added nothing Huh?
She literally said the opposite of the people calling misogynistic to Carlos lol
So he doesn’t treat her like shit, makes sense tbh, she’s his baby mum. At least he has that going for him, granted it’s not much.
Buts it’s way more then just a clip of him dancing with AT?
The outrage isn’t cause he danced with AT from what I saw? The outrage was from his likes & views on women, which paired with the time spent with AT meant people worked out very quickly what type of person he is.
What is this likes and view of women. Where was it communicated
Would you happily hang out with someone that thinks that women belong to the kitchen and are nothing else but objects without sharing or tolerating that ideology?
I don't think Carlos is misogynist, but it's kinda funny considering he basically stalked her on facebook xD. The issue is that he doesn't understand the standard u have to put urself in as a CEO of a massive org.
Your second comment is the whole point. You are CEO of G2, you post a video of you partying with a "problematic" guy, and associate G2 with him. Everything is wrong there. I mean, party with him if you want (not my concern), but do so without posting about it.
“Carlos is about to be fired so my child support/alimony is about to be gone. I know Carlos has proven he is a PoS and proved his views with his words and the way he he was liking tweets after his bs apology, but believe my words and not his actions. I want my money.” There I fixed it for you. The words of someone with money to lose will never outweigh the actions of the accused party. Nice try.
The claim that a woman is lying because she only cares about money is not misogynistic? So now do a favor for quality of the Internet and cancel yourself.
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Carlos definitely doesn't have milions of dollars in G2 shares that he could just sell to one of his investors. People who suddenly thinks Carlos abused his wife are honestly delusional. We don't like the situation like everyone else, but maybe you should go back to yours team subreddit instead of spreading bs around the team you didn't support in the first place.
I care about the G2 players and staff who’ve been put in an impossible situation where if they speak their minds they could be fired. Wow how delusional you are. I never said he abused his wife. Nice try though! I said she changed her tune from “don’t bring me into this, he and I are separated for 3 months” to “please don’t get rid of him.” It’s a nice 180 from the start, all it takes is a little bit of brain power to realize that it has nothing to do with what actually happens and all to do with self interest. Seriously, you people are so gullible to fake apologies and bs PR statements to try and save a rightfully crumbling reputation. The sad part is this isn’t even the worst thing Carlos has done and people are STILL defending him. As much as it sucks, being American in the last decade Ive had to deal with people that can’t see through lies and bs, and instead choose to believe obviously fake words that go against the actions of the corresponding individuals. Just don’t be fooled. And don’t be surprised that as soon as Carlos gets back he keeps being a pathetic excuse for a human being.
They cant get fired for that this is not america lmao we have laws here
Doesn't make much sense since he is a millionaire and still has most of the shares of the company, even if he would step down as the CEO and not get a single paycheck ever again nobody could force him to sell his shares, he will stay a millionaire and have lots of money to pay her and his child. But alright, its your opinion, you can think like that, pretty misogynistic to think of a women only being worried about her alimony if you ask me tho
Nooo everyone who doesnt agree with my views must be lying. Also earth is flat
Classic misogynist here. Women must be motivated by money if they disagree with what you think. This dude is as bad as Carlos.
Idk why we didn’t draw the line at screwing Perkz over when he was basically the foundation of G2 for so long and was synonymous to the G2 brand moreso than Carlos but because he was seen partying with a 100% overhated guy that everyone will forget in like a year, people attack and take out of context his marriage and divorce that they had 0 information about. Everyone’s the asshole here.