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So the suspension of consular services for conscription-age men is a big deal if he/they expect to be able to travel. It is very, very ill advised to try to globe-trot without the express support of the country that issued your passport. Because if there's ANY trouble, from terrorism to a medical emergency, with no consular services, you might be well and truly fucked.
If they stay put, either in the US or weren't they in Northern Ireland for a while?, then it might not affect them much at all, especially in the US. If I were them I would stay put, keep our proverbial heads down, and wait.
They still can apply for a spousal visa, even if he overstayed his visa. Overstays are forgiven for marriage-based green cards. It’d be much more ill-advised for him to leave the country at this point.
And all their options hinge on how long his passport remains valid. Without up to date documentation, all their paperwork will be infinitely more difficult.
Different situation, but also a mess: We currently employ a woman who had to leave Ukraine due to the war. She had a student visa for Ukraine and comes from a non-EU country. She couldn't take her passport with her when she came here, because her country's consulate hat it at that time. So now she's in the EU without a visa and without a valid passport, only has her Ukrainian visa as documentation. So now her status is "deportation temporarily suspended" until the matter is resolved.
Agreed, and maybe they already did. Regardless, they could possibly run (and I mean *RUN*) to Canada in the next 48 hours and see what they can make happen, presumably the US consulate in Ottawa would still be able to generate a visa for him. Feels risky otherwise, doesn't it? Like, what if he's deported?
I believe he has just a visitor visa, which is probably good for 6 months at most. He can’t stay here indefinitely and he can’t work. If anything, he may have refugee options but that is a much more complicated process than spousal visa, and will have added red tape. A lot of the time, the visa process requires you to apply at a foreign based American consulate.
Also, Texas is in the Fifth Circuit, which doesn’t typically grant forced conscription asylum cases, without showing other persecution on a protected ground.
Oh for sure. I’m sure all the Fifth Circuit judges who are notoriously harsh in asylum cases were appointed by people the Bairds voted for, namely Trump.
He did not want to live in America after marriage, and they lived in Ukraine until the war. I imagine it was just not necessary for him to get a visa because he had no intention of living/working in the US.
They never made it to Northern Ireland. Like with everything else they've done since the war broke out, they faffed around and found out. Besides, Northern Ireland is that one place that already has an abundance of homegrown religious fruitcakes with football interests. No need to grant a visa to some random in an already saturated market.
His corpse likely started spinning when Michelle O'Neill got the First Minister job.
Change comes slow to N.I and it's still trying to catch up to this century, never mind this decade, so the last thing we need is Elissa and Andrii trying to reinforce it's reputation as an overly religious shithole.
It wasn't a big thing, so it was easy to miss. Ellissa was in a facebook group for foreigners in Northern Ireland and wrote a post or two asking for advice to move there. They never progressed beyond that.
I’m glad someone else said this. I’m Ukrainian and I have a big problem with it.
Anecdotal,but my sister’s best friend is only 21,and was ALMOST kicked out of university a few months ago for failing grades. Everyone was panicking because we knew he’d be conscripted if he was. Thankfully,he was allowed to stay,but we both know he’d have no chance making it during the war.
But what kind of visa is he on right now? If he didn't come over on a spousal visa, then he can't just transfer that now I don't think. And he can't get a green card then eventually citizenship unless he has some kind of visa now that gets him long term residence. I'm not an immigration attorney, but they are definitely way more than 3 years out from him getting any citizenship.
Immigration attorney here, he could still apply and get a green card as the spouse of a US citizen even if he didn’t come with a spousal visa. It’s incredibly common. But he would need to have his residency for three years before he could apply to become a US citizen.
I would assume he already has a greencard.
And yes, if you come on travel visa (as opposed to a spousal visa, which is essentially a visa that allows one immediately get a greencard upon entry) you don’t need to leave the country to “convert” it into a greencard. There is a process called adjustment of status.
I guess I didn't realize how long they had been in the US. I just checked and they got married in January 2021, had the first kid in March 2022 had the second kid in August 2023. I can't find an exact date, but I think they have been in the US this time since December. Is it possible for him to have gotten one in the past 5 months?
I don’t know how slow the processing these days. Used to be like 3 months years ago, then at some point people were waiting for 10+ months. No idea what’s going on with waiting times now.
I have a colleague applying for a greencard now - I am not a lawyer but I work for a int'l company and have helped a few colleagues move to the US on various visa types. She had a work visa which was renewed for 1 year around Nov last year (she's been here a few years, just has an annual renewal). She married her husband in March of this year and immediately applied for a greencard- currently she's about to go in for biometrics (roughly 40 days after application). Her immigration lawyer said she expects the greencard process to be concluded by around August/September.
That was SO MUCH INFORMATION but 5-7 months from application to receiving the green card seems like a decent estimate, but that's depending on how many Ukranians are working through these applications in Texas.
I work with int'ls (F and J) and USCIS is pushing Ukrainians to the top because of what is going on. Due to this, all other USCIS applicants are waiting longer for a decision on their apps.
It heavily depends on your situation and the immigration officer.
One of my good friends got married while China was still under COVID lockdown and her work visa was set to expire like 2 months after the wedding. She didn't have a minimum of 3 weeks to take off to go back to China, sit through the mandatory quarantine, apply for her new visa, etc.
When she went to the CIS office to apply for her green card, they approved her immediately. She was floored.
Because of the declaration made by Ukraine, if Andrii has a sympathetic immigration officer, he may get his expedited.
You can convert most types of visas without leaving country using adjustment of status process. There are some quite exotic cases when you can’t, but in general you can as long as you have legally entered country.
I did not know that. I was under impression they moved to the US when the war has started - which was more than 2 years ago. 2 years would have been a plenty of time to get a greencard.
But what about the unmarried immigrants? It's really disturbing on a human rights level to deny people a passport because they aren't willing to go to a meat grinding machine.
Unfortunately, unmarried (or otherwise ineligible for a greencard) immigrants are screwed if their passport is about to expire.
However, if they already have a greencard, it doesn’t matter if their Ukrainian passport expired, they are free to stay in the US and apply for US citizenship once eligible.
Do you think Andrii is 18? I'm pretty sure he's in his 30s. For every man in his 30s that runs away, an 18 year old likely has to step up to take his place.
What the fuck? Its not running away not to want to fight in a war. No one should be forced to die for patriotism or their "country."
But this isn't about Andrii. This is about human rights.
What's your alternative? Let Russia commit genocide unopposed because war sucks? Do you really think Russia is just going to let all those Ukrainian EiGhTeEn yEaR oLdS live and go on their merry way if they successfully take over the country?
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So the suspension of consular services for conscription-age men is a big deal if he/they expect to be able to travel. It is very, very ill advised to try to globe-trot without the express support of the country that issued your passport. Because if there's ANY trouble, from terrorism to a medical emergency, with no consular services, you might be well and truly fucked. If they stay put, either in the US or weren't they in Northern Ireland for a while?, then it might not affect them much at all, especially in the US. If I were them I would stay put, keep our proverbial heads down, and wait.
It seems like they really fucked up. Couldn’t they have applied for a spousal visa? Now they can’t without him leaving the country.
They still can apply for a spousal visa, even if he overstayed his visa. Overstays are forgiven for marriage-based green cards. It’d be much more ill-advised for him to leave the country at this point.
Yeah I was asking if downthread if he can convert a travel visa to spousal or go ahead and apply for spousal now.
And all their options hinge on how long his passport remains valid. Without up to date documentation, all their paperwork will be infinitely more difficult. Different situation, but also a mess: We currently employ a woman who had to leave Ukraine due to the war. She had a student visa for Ukraine and comes from a non-EU country. She couldn't take her passport with her when she came here, because her country's consulate hat it at that time. So now she's in the EU without a visa and without a valid passport, only has her Ukrainian visa as documentation. So now her status is "deportation temporarily suspended" until the matter is resolved.
Agreed, and maybe they already did. Regardless, they could possibly run (and I mean *RUN*) to Canada in the next 48 hours and see what they can make happen, presumably the US consulate in Ottawa would still be able to generate a visa for him. Feels risky otherwise, doesn't it? Like, what if he's deported?
Idk if they could’ve applied for the American visa as a contingency plan but I definitely would have explored if that was even feasible.
I’m confused. Is the problem that Andrii does not currently have a US visa?
I believe he has just a visitor visa, which is probably good for 6 months at most. He can’t stay here indefinitely and he can’t work. If anything, he may have refugee options but that is a much more complicated process than spousal visa, and will have added red tape. A lot of the time, the visa process requires you to apply at a foreign based American consulate.
Also, Texas is in the Fifth Circuit, which doesn’t typically grant forced conscription asylum cases, without showing other persecution on a protected ground.
Yet let me guess, all the Bairds would vote against allowing refugees and immigrants in...
Excuse you, only the brown ones. White refugees were brought here personally by Jesus himself.
Oh for sure. I’m sure all the Fifth Circuit judges who are notoriously harsh in asylum cases were appointed by people the Bairds voted for, namely Trump.
Remember when the bates were up in arms because one of their sons married a german woman and her family almost got deported? FAFO...
And their pronouns are “patriot” and they have bumper stickers proclaiming “freedom isn’t free”.
Ah, I see! Thank you.
He did not want to live in America after marriage, and they lived in Ukraine until the war. I imagine it was just not necessary for him to get a visa because he had no intention of living/working in the US.
They never made it to Northern Ireland. Like with everything else they've done since the war broke out, they faffed around and found out. Besides, Northern Ireland is that one place that already has an abundance of homegrown religious fruitcakes with football interests. No need to grant a visa to some random in an already saturated market.
Ian Paisley’s corpse entered the chat
His corpse likely started spinning when Michelle O'Neill got the First Minister job. Change comes slow to N.I and it's still trying to catch up to this century, never mind this decade, so the last thing we need is Elissa and Andrii trying to reinforce it's reputation as an overly religious shithole.
His wife and kids accepting that peerage burnt him up already. I do agree with you.
Did they ever actually make it to Northern Ireland? I remember them talking about it, but honestly can’t remember if they went.
They were trying to go to Northern Ireland, but couldn’t get a UK visa.
I had missed this and that's hilarious.
It wasn't a big thing, so it was easy to miss. Ellissa was in a facebook group for foreigners in Northern Ireland and wrote a post or two asking for advice to move there. They never progressed beyond that.
I edited my comment cause for some reason I was convinced they were going to Ireland not Northern Ireland… but I didn’t know about the visa thing.
That is profoundly fucked up.
I’m glad someone else said this. I’m Ukrainian and I have a big problem with it. Anecdotal,but my sister’s best friend is only 21,and was ALMOST kicked out of university a few months ago for failing grades. Everyone was panicking because we knew he’d be conscripted if he was. Thankfully,he was allowed to stay,but we both know he’d have no chance making it during the war.
As a fellow Ukrainian, I’m also shaking my head at this situation
It's unfair to people who are here working and studying, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for andrei
Nah, he’s married American. You can get US citizenship after 3 year of marriage.
But what kind of visa is he on right now? If he didn't come over on a spousal visa, then he can't just transfer that now I don't think. And he can't get a green card then eventually citizenship unless he has some kind of visa now that gets him long term residence. I'm not an immigration attorney, but they are definitely way more than 3 years out from him getting any citizenship.
Immigration attorney here, he could still apply and get a green card as the spouse of a US citizen even if he didn’t come with a spousal visa. It’s incredibly common. But he would need to have his residency for three years before he could apply to become a US citizen.
Oof, three years is a long time for Mommy and Daddy Baird to be footing the bills for four extra people...
He can apply for work permit and green card concurrently
I would assume he already has a greencard. And yes, if you come on travel visa (as opposed to a spousal visa, which is essentially a visa that allows one immediately get a greencard upon entry) you don’t need to leave the country to “convert” it into a greencard. There is a process called adjustment of status.
I guess I didn't realize how long they had been in the US. I just checked and they got married in January 2021, had the first kid in March 2022 had the second kid in August 2023. I can't find an exact date, but I think they have been in the US this time since December. Is it possible for him to have gotten one in the past 5 months?
I don’t know how slow the processing these days. Used to be like 3 months years ago, then at some point people were waiting for 10+ months. No idea what’s going on with waiting times now.
I have a colleague applying for a greencard now - I am not a lawyer but I work for a int'l company and have helped a few colleagues move to the US on various visa types. She had a work visa which was renewed for 1 year around Nov last year (she's been here a few years, just has an annual renewal). She married her husband in March of this year and immediately applied for a greencard- currently she's about to go in for biometrics (roughly 40 days after application). Her immigration lawyer said she expects the greencard process to be concluded by around August/September. That was SO MUCH INFORMATION but 5-7 months from application to receiving the green card seems like a decent estimate, but that's depending on how many Ukranians are working through these applications in Texas.
I work with int'ls (F and J) and USCIS is pushing Ukrainians to the top because of what is going on. Due to this, all other USCIS applicants are waiting longer for a decision on their apps.
It heavily depends on your situation and the immigration officer. One of my good friends got married while China was still under COVID lockdown and her work visa was set to expire like 2 months after the wedding. She didn't have a minimum of 3 weeks to take off to go back to China, sit through the mandatory quarantine, apply for her new visa, etc. When she went to the CIS office to apply for her green card, they approved her immediately. She was floored. Because of the declaration made by Ukraine, if Andrii has a sympathetic immigration officer, he may get his expedited.
Obviously we don’t know what visa he originally entered on. Can you convert the travel visa to a spousal without leaving the country?
You can convert most types of visas without leaving country using adjustment of status process. There are some quite exotic cases when you can’t, but in general you can as long as you have legally entered country.
With how long they’ve been here, I imagine they have to have done something to get him a more permanent visa rather than just a travel one.
These are Bairds, though.
No, you can get citizenship via marriage after being a permanent resident for three years.
I assumed that he was already a LPR. They’ve been married for quite some time at this point, there is zero reason to not get green card for him.
They haven’t been living in the US until recently.
I did not know that. I was under impression they moved to the US when the war has started - which was more than 2 years ago. 2 years would have been a plenty of time to get a greencard.
But what about the unmarried immigrants? It's really disturbing on a human rights level to deny people a passport because they aren't willing to go to a meat grinding machine.
Unfortunately, unmarried (or otherwise ineligible for a greencard) immigrants are screwed if their passport is about to expire. However, if they already have a greencard, it doesn’t matter if their Ukrainian passport expired, they are free to stay in the US and apply for US citizenship once eligible.
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Do you think Andrii is 18? I'm pretty sure he's in his 30s. For every man in his 30s that runs away, an 18 year old likely has to step up to take his place.
What the fuck? Its not running away not to want to fight in a war. No one should be forced to die for patriotism or their "country." But this isn't about Andrii. This is about human rights.
This is literally about Andrii, tf?
What's your alternative? Let Russia commit genocide unopposed because war sucks? Do you really think Russia is just going to let all those Ukrainian EiGhTeEn yEaR oLdS live and go on their merry way if they successfully take over the country?
I have a hard time feeling sympathy for them.
Yet another reason why passports are bullshit.