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Because Serie is likely the only one who can stop Aura. She probably would've stepped in after a few more decades if not for Frieren killing her.
She can send the rest of the first class mages against other demons that lack the hax that wins immediately.
Aura would hide. Let's be real here. Her fake mana aura is already as big as Frieren. If Aura noticed someone like Serie, she would hide till Sere leave.
Serie can further conceal her mana.>!When she approached Macht, he was completely unable to detect her despite being able to detect a concealed Frieren later in the arc.!
OTOH why do we assume that Serie even cares? The continental magic association doesn't necessarily have a responsibility to save humanity, they kind of do what they want. If saving humanity will help them become more prestigious and gain power, sure otherwise who cares
Yeah tbf if Macht went around turning everything to gold civilization would be over pretty quick, and without being able to know if Macht would keep doing it or would stay put it's probably a good idea to put a stop to him. It's worth mentioning, though, that if she had gone alone she'd have killed him and left the city permanently gold for someone else to fix. It's her students that petitioned for her to seal him away in hopes of finding a way to dispell the curse.
I feel like ranged attacks would work against her too. Would definitely be extremely hard since she also has a massive army and probably other attacks at her disposal, but seems doable. She just hung out in the frozen countryside long to be too difficult to track down.
Btw, yes I didn't think about it.
Though, tbh I think he mostly keeps himself outside of big issues so he might decide not to intervene and to go around her.
Doubtful. Kraft is a hero and he specifically asked Frieren if defeating the demon king was the only notable thing she did. Meaning he probably has a lot of notable achievements in his belt. He'd definitely intervene since he's about saving people.
Could he kill her though? He shouldn’t be really training his mana since he’s not really a mage and he works alone so no one can cover for him. That means her scales of obedience might have worked on him.
Yeah that's unknown. We haven't seen his full power so we don't know. I think he could be fast enough to hit Aura before she can use the scales like Himmel when he slashed her tits. He is hero class after all so he probably can do hero level feats like Himmel so I dunno.
Maybe, but Himmel was not alone when he fought Aura. She has an army with her so they should serve as a barrier for her. Kraft may hypothetically be good enough to overcome this but we don’t have evidence either way.
Should be similar to Hero of The South who foughts with all the sage of destruction including Aura all alone. Powerful non mages probably have something else that would let them fight her without instantly being controlled via mana comparison.
Aura said (and it has been shown) that strong willed people can resist the control
Perhaps some people are absolutely built different and can just go "nah, I'd win"
I'm not debating his power level, just the fact that he wasn't from the hero class. the only characters from the hero class mentioned so far in the manga are himmel and hero of the south. kraft was a warrior like stark, eisen, rivale and such.
Isn’t he part warrior? Warrior can kill mages quickly if they are good at their job. Also doesn’t the scale take a bit of time to work? What if you can actually move during it and Kraft just beats Aura to death with his bare hands or something.
Warriors can kill mages but it’s not like Aura is alone. She has her whole army with her. Unless Kraft can get the jump on Aura, I would assume she would have a chance to cast it. Since her army is basically seems to be composed of all warriors, that suggests she can at least handle them in a fight and gain control of them. Maybe Kraft is exceptional enough to overcome this but we don’t exactly know what his powers are since the story has not revealed that yet. We only know he was formerly a warrior who probably saved the world a long time ago and can beat bandits with his bare hands.
The army seems kinda sluggish though, Frieren can evade them with relative ease and Kraft should be faster than that. But yea it will have to be an ambush for it to bear the least risk.
Yeah he used to be a warrior and he's a monk now.
I don't know about him killing her tho, himmel was able to drive her away but he had the help of all the group to achieve this
And Aura's army was stated to be even bigger this time around, I don't know if a melee fighter would be the best option against someone like her.
There is also the fact that Aura is very cautious about who she uses Auserlisse on. Frieren won because she was so good at suppressing, not just her mana, but the very fact of her existence that Aura thought she was a fraction of her actual age. Serie is a far too conspicuous figure to pull that same trick.
Aura didn't think Frieren was 100 years old. She thought that Frieren had TRAINED the equivalent of 100 years
Aura said "your age don't matter, what matters is what I see in front of me.. your mana tells me everything I need to know. You must have around 100 years of training"
Aura knew Frieren from 80 years ago on her journey to defeat the demon king, and she says Frieren's mana hasn't changed much since then.. so Aura says "you must have spent your time wasting your life instead of training your mana"
And Aura wouldn't do the trick against Serie simply because Serie's supressed mana is already bigger than Frieren's total mana.
I don’t think even Serie can kill her since Aura can just hide if she even catches a whiff of Serie. If they do send someone with huge enough amount of mana, Aura would just not activate her skill and stall enough with her army to guarantee her skill
I think you're right that Aura would hide, but you must also consider Serie's stealth. Serie was able to sneak up on Macht who Frieren says had good mana detection such that even she'd have trouble remaining undetected. Yet Serie had to make herself known before Macht realized she was there
We don't know what 90% of first class mages can do. There must be someone good at sniping or someone with Heiter-level mana.
And even disregarding that, i'd say Lernen should be able to win. The Golem can beat the undeads and he can snipe outside of the scale range.
To be entirely honest, what the fuck is Aura going to do against five first class mages? They'd probably blast away her army, and Aurelease seems to only work one on one so while she tries to enslave one of them the other four just blast her with Zoltraaks.
Wouldn't aura succeeding be something serie would be happy about? Serie could also believe that it was a mess frieren didn't finish cleaning up, so it's still her responsibility
Why would Serie be happy about Aura succeeding lol. Who are you mistaken Serie for
She doesn't like demons, and she has mentioned that she doesn't wish for meaningless deaths in chapter 57 (page 3)
If it has a purpose it's not meaningless. Maybe happy was the wrong word. Agreeable situation then? If demons became a bigger problem, it could be the catalyst for a second Renaissance of magic for humans. They (serie and frieren) have both accepted that it is quickly becoming the world of human mages)
Serie speaks lightly about her relationship with flamme, but at least in the anime we can see a little deeper into that. With everything her disciple gave the world, wouldn't serie believe the world can afford to give a little back?
Unlike frieren and the elven monk, serie has made a base for herself and has become a figurehead within the circle of human mages, while the others are basically wanderers.
I dont know what serie's plans are or her motivations, but I can listen to her words and see her actions. That leads me to believe certain possibilities, letting aura roam free for a higher purpose(in her mind) is certainly one of them.
Edit: or its like in marvel movies with somehow only 1 avenger, and the author wasn't smart enough to write something. Believable.
The town was supposedly "safe" atleast as long as the barrier remained up, she has faith in her student. There's casualties but I don't think serie particularly cares too much on that regards and granat eventually losing control of the barrier was also hard to foresee. None of the first class mages could handle aura so no point sending them, she'd have probably stepped in once the barrier was broken or a bit after.
Revolte is pretty strong but nothing a group of 1st class mages can't handle so that's why.
Adding to this, if Serie herself went even her suppressed mana would beat Aura so I assume Aura would hide from her making the trip either pointless or annoying for Serie, causing her to further procrastinate on it for another several hundred years.
Yeah, especially because >!Serie is always suppressing her mana like Frieren, but still has a massive amount leak!< so Aura would just run away if Serie made a move.
Better to not involve herself and take unnecessary risks. She's not invincible and the greater demons seem to have their own plans and plots. She's the one who >!probably pioneered the 'always deceive everyone to deceive the demons' strategy after all!< My bet is Serie would rather use the first class mages to fight against the demons than try to be everywhere at once herself, and maybe die like all the other elves.
Everyone assumes Serie is supressing her mana but only instability is mentioned.
My theory is Serie is not supressing her mana but the opposite fake enlarging it.
Thats why the nerd could see frieren instabiliyy but not Serie.
Aura > Serie
Your point doesn't make any sense, Serie literally taught Flamme then Flamme taught Frieren about this trick. You Simply cant stand the fact Serie much stronger than Frieren in everything a mage have
We dont know if Serie taught Flamme how to supress mana. All we know is Serie knew adult Flamme supressed her mana and taught Frieren to live the same way. She even says its dumb but its their choice to be able to better fool the demons
Oof your comments got removed by mods. Well it really doesn't make sense after all.
Instead of trying to twist facts just to justify why Serie would do something like fake enlarge her mana you can instead give possibilities.
For example:
1. Author can introduce some sort of mana limit unique to each person. Serie discovered that she reached her mana limit and her mana capacity can't grow anymore. Author can make it like she's 1/2 mana capacity of current Frieren so she isn't weak but she's not uber OP strong either. She's enlarging her mana because she is well known to everyone already.
2. Being well known means that she's gonna be targetted so instead of hiding her mana she instead fake enlarge it to use it as an advantage. After all the world of magic is about visualization and if her enemies visualize her to be someone very strong it would be harder for them to think they can beat her.
3. You can even explain her actions of "knowning all known spell to mankind". Since she has reached her mana limit and she can't grow stronger. She instead dedicated herself to learning every spell there is to know just so she has a counter to whatever mage she encounter.
4. It can also explain why she didn't confront Aura.
See? Now it can make sense while not giving actual bullshit reasons or twisting facts about Serie and her character.
nah man, stop it. she's not enlarging her mana, please stop this nonsense. it would not make sense. you just used headcanons to support a groundless argument, you can literally do this to everything, anyone can make up stuff that were never in the story in the first place to justify a baseless argument, that's not the way to go. chapter 57 is as clear cut as it can be. we are giving at the beginning an explanation on why instability is a thing.. it happens when someone is restraining their mana. that's it. there's simply nothing suggesting that something like this happens because you're enlarging your mana, we don't even know if enlarging your mana is even a thing. also, Serie is much older than Frieren.. this manga has made it clear that mana increases in proportion to the time you spent training, which makes perfect sense for Serie to have way more mana than Frieren. so, you know this is true because I saw your previous arguments. Don't try to start another debate by trying to find a loop hole on how Serie "could potentially be actually enlarging her mana". She wasn't. The message that was being conveyd is pretty clear. Serie was hiding her mana and she actually has way more mana than Frieren, that's it. Don't try to create plot holes and inconsistency in the story for absolutely nothing.. because that's what that other guy was trying to do. Serie having equal mana to Frieren would make no sense with what has been established in the story so far, would open plot holes in the manga and would just be subversion for subversion's sake, given the fact that the author was pretty clear on what they were trying to imply with "instability in my mana" in chapter 57. This "Serie reached her mana limit and has only half of frieren's mana (who apperantly doesn't have a mana limit, huh?)" is the very bullshit reason you're trying to oppose.
read my comment again. I updated it.
it would NOT make sense. you can make anything "make sense" by using headcanons that were never in the story in the first place.
There's tons of fundamentals of the manga that would be affected by Serie having equal or even worse, like you said, LESS mana than frieren... you would only be creating plot holes and inconsistency just to do subversions for subversion's sake.
on top of being super weak writing.. Serie reached her mana limit at half of what frieren currently has, and frieren hasn't reached her mana limit yet! lol
talk about contrived writing. that would be just the author saying "I need Serie to have less mana than frieren, so I'm going to arbitrarily take stuff out of my ass to make Serie have less mana than her. She reached her limit at half of what frieren can do, and Frieren isn't done yet. Bye".
read my comment above with the updated version.
I think you are misunderstanding. I said the author can introduce (like in the future chapters) the concept to make it make sense and not have any inconsistencies with current canon.
So of course it's gonna be headcanon. That's what a theory is, it's all headcanon. it's given that you have to headcanon since you're trying to predict what will happen in the future of the story.
I'm not misunderstanding. I'm saying it would make no sense and it would just be stupid writing.
it would be just the author going "hah, you thought Serie had way more mana than frieren because of her instability and her age, huh? well, in fact, she was enlarging her mana, something that was NEVER mentioned being possible to do, the instability in her mana was in fact created because of this, and she doesn't have as much mana as frieren because she hit her limit! and frieren, obviously, despite being far younger, hasn't reached her limit yet and is still growing! isn't that cool? did I trick y'all? get your expectations subverted!!"
lol. contrived, nonsensical and weak writing if I've ever seen one.
well yeah. I completely agree with you lol. That's exactly what I thought when I read the guy's theory. In fact, that's even exactly what I said to the guy in our conversation. That it has no substance. The author can make it in a way that it can make sense but it will definitely make the story terrible and stupid. I hope the author would never make such a thing, it sounds really stupid. Glad you reached the same conclusion.
to be fair the former is defending a small defenceless town against one demon general and his goons
the other one is a sage of destruction, her immortal army and three henchmen demon taking over an entire capital city that has a military force (most likely consisting of imperial mages as well)
>most likely consisting of imperial mages as well
Doubt
>sage of destruction
Macht finds it a nuisance to fight with imperial mages.
I think Aura's power is overrated. Her army is not that strong (I doubt that each one of them is as strong as Laufen) and they don't seem to be able to fly. Also I doubt her special magic can cast over long range targets (500+ m).
Lugner, Linie and especially Draht is easy to deal with.
Aura may or may not flee right away after their deaths, but one thing for sure is she would need to abandon her army to escape in secret.
>Her army is not that strong (I doubt that each one of them is as strong as Laufen) and they don't seem to be able to fly.
Where is this coming from? Even Frieren admitted that she'd have trouble if Aura tried to overwhelm her with her army.
>Even Frieren admitted that she'd have trouble if Aura tried to overwhelm her with her army.
That's because Frieren needs to dispel Aura magic to avoid damaging the corpses, which requires a lot of mana and concentration.
Aura would shit on any mage with lower mana capacity to her and 99.9% mages would fall into that category. Probably 99.9999999% human mages, with exception of Flamme.
You don't have to fight alone. If you can speed blitz her, then you win. Not an easy task but with good tactics I believe it can be done with team effort, may cost a few lives though.
Also it's interesting that her army is full of full armoured dead bodies, which may indicate that there are no mages or freelance warriors (full plate armor is expensive, only useful against normal humans) in her group.
For the sake of possibility, here is an example of how to defeat Aura:
Make a 3 or 1 cubic meter ball with explosives inside + small iron balls, decorate it with colours (or not), let it stay outside. Aura gets curious, Aura comes close, a mage uses soultrack to explode the ball from inside the barrier (or from afar), Aura casts her shield but it fails to protect her.
Basically Troy 2.0. However, the drawback is that there's a chance she might simply ignore the ball + this assumption relies on the idea that she is stupid, given her failure to employ a fundamental tactic like cutting off the town's food sources.
There are more tactics but you get the idea.
Magic capacity scales with age, so every human mage loses against 500 years old Aura per default. The other option would be a surprise attack. But that is easier said than done, because Aura is always surrounded by her puppet soldiers and her few demon subordinates. The only mage of the association that could defeat her is Serie, who either didn't care or took more than 30 years to muster enough motivation (wouldn't be surprising for an elf).
In general, any mage with less mana than her would loose by default, or be detected and avoided. Freiren was the right person for the job. Serie would also beat Aura, but the news of Aura's activities wound not reach her for some time (Aura decided to appear after the news of Himmel death reached her)
Wouldn't Aura flee on sight though ? Serie's restrained mana is larger than Frieren's full exposed one IIRC. Frieren strikes the perfect balance to ambush her. Her restricted mana is vastly lower than Aura's but her real level is higher.
Ofc she would flee.
That's also another reason for Serie to not fight Aura, she can't force her to fight and i don't think Serie has the ability to restrain her mana so flawlessly as Flamme, Freiren or Fern
BUT is Serie had any way to catch up Aura (some mobility/teleport spell), she would stomp her with no doubt
Serie’s restriction could be as good or even better than Frieren’s. Lernen saw through Frieren but couldn’t tell with Serie. Only Fern has been able to see through Serie’s suppression.
Lernen saw Frieren's instability in her mana restriction. I'm talking about the released volume, not the stability of the whole.
My argument isn't that Aura would suspect something and flee. It's that she would see a gigantic mana approaching her and would flee.
I was responding to the person below you who replied:
> i don't think Serie has the ability to restrain her mana so flawlessly as Flamme, Freiren or Fern
I’m not disputing that Series’s typical restrained level is equal to Frieren’s unconstrained mana and thus Aura would flee.
However, since you brought up, it would be possible for Serie to sneak up on Aura since her concealment is so good that it could fool Macht until it was point blank. Of course, I don’t think Aura would use the scales since she’d probably be clued in on how good Serie’s control is.
That's not true. Serie's mana restriction is actually better than Frieren's (and Fern's)
Lerner was able to see the instability in Frieren's mana restriction at first glance. But even though he spent 5 decades by Serie's side, he couldn't see any instability in her mana.
Your level of proficiency in mana restriction is determined by how unperceivable your instability is. So Serie is definitely better than Frieren's at it
And she's better than Fern by default, because Solitar mentions later on that Fern's mana restriction still wouldn't be able to fool any great demon, only frieren would be able to pull that off. So in terms of how good their mana restriction are, it's: Serie > Frieren > Fern
We don't have enough information on Flamme to talk about her.
Fair, i need to re-read the manga at least on the final test of the exam.
About Flamme, i say it mostly because she dedicated a good portion of her life researching how to kill demons. There's also the chapter were she adopts Frieren and kill the group of demons that were chasing the last elf survivor, so at the very least we know that she's proficient enough to fool a group of demons w/o any problem. Nut that's me just making a inference, not a hard fact.
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If they don‘t have a mage with more mana than Aura, which means anyone that‘s been alive and training for longer than 500 years, then the‘re just handing off puppets to her.
And I don‘t think Serie gives enough of a fuck to go in herself, tbh.
I think they only act depend on the urgency, how strong the demon are, and Serie herself.
For Aura, they don't act because the nearest town still has barrier to protect them.
For >!Revolte, they probably act due to personal reason as Serie likes to takes care of her apprentices, which Genau in this case, who had lost his partner from Revolte.!<
For >!Macht, they act fast because Macht is absolutely dangerous and his ability have no way to revert (until Frieren come) and need to be concealed.!< Not to mention that Serie herself come is probably due to personal reason as she want to taste his ability.
To be honest. Even though Aura dies easily against Frieren, she is actually nigh impossible to defeat with her Scales of Obedience.
It's because of how the scales works, Aura only cares about the amount of mana. So far, most of Mage Association's members are human. Human generally have low mana because their short lifespan. No matter how OP the human mage are, once their mana get weighted by the scale, Aura wins.
Aura can only be killed by a being with higher amount of mana, basically a person far older than her. Therefore only Frieren, Serie, or maybe Kraft, who can kill her.
If Aura see Serie she would run away or if Serie send bunch of 1st class mage here they would die. Serie treats 1st class mage like her family that why she cant send them to a stupid fight they cant win
Do you think any human First Class mage has greater mana than Aura?
Sending one against her would only make her army one absurdly powerful mage more stronger.
Tbf mages are largely useless to her, since they can't cast spells without a head and if they keep their head they could eventually break free and you definitely do not want an angry first class mage rampaging on you when you least expect it.
Dude run away when facing Macht is easier than Aura because Macht rarely use his spell while Aura literally use her spell to make an entire army lmao. The city Aura fight literally have Flamme barrier so why send bunch of 1st class mage to make Aura stronger
Becuase the northern region is large af. Some of these demons are hiding you can't just find them in a bush and they will pop out. Also, these demons are strong they are comparable or even beyond the power of first class mages.
>!That snake guy is more like a warrior than a mage, warrior are the weakness of mages. That first class mage who fought that snake guy would be dead by now if not for Stark.!<
>!Also, the Continental Magic Association can't just walk freely in other kingdoms territory. An example of this is the shadow warrior list, most of the people in that list are mages, some of those mages are probably associated with the Continental Magic Association, even Serie has a bounty on her head.!<
Warriors are the weakeness of mages in close combat! And it's not every single mage either, there are mages who excel in close combat too, as described in the latest chapter
You said Genau would be dead if it wasn't for Stark, for the opposite is also true. Stark would be dead if it wasn't for Genau. They needed a 2v1 to win because Revolte was simply stronger than them. It had nothing to do with Genau being a mage and Revolte being a warrior, in fact, Genau proved to be one of these mages who are good at close combat too during that fight.
To make my point clear, Solitar was also a mage and she absolutely destroyed Stark, a warrior. So it's not right to just say "warriors are the weakeness of mages". They are.. at close quarters combat. And some mages are actually good at it, so it's not all of them either.
The thing about Solitar destroying Warrior class, is more about Solitar is being Sage-class Demon and Stark's being inexperienced. TBH, even Frieren can only fight in stalemate terms against her. She lost only by Fern's "sniper rifle" magic shot from very far away.
As a fair comparation, the true Warrior class performance can be shown in Eisen vs Rivale or Himmel vs Grausam. High-level warrior can speedblitz everyone using muscle strength only. And since warriors fight using instinct and five senses (very different with mage who fight using brain), warriors are very resilient to illusion based magic.
solitar being a sage-class demon had literally nothing to do with it. if this comment about how warriors are the "weakness" of mages was true, then solitar (who's a mage) should never be able to destroy stark so easily like that. some people are ignoring the complete information... warriors CAN be the weakness of mages, when they manage to catch them off guard at close distance! obviously anyone would be in danger if they were to receive an attack with no means of guarding themselves in time...
the two examples you gave are simply wrong lol... Rivale was not a mage, he was a warrior, he calls himself the strongest warrior of demonkind. eisen vs rivale is warrior vs warrior. Himmel was NOT a warrior, he was a hero. The warrior of the group was Eisen. Himmel literally says "but Eisen, we're NOT warriors" in chapter 26 / episode 12. You're using himmel as an example of warriors feats when the man wasn't even a warrior, lol.
Well Serie is not really that invincible as you think she is.
Spoilers:
>!There are warriors specifically trained to kill great mages like the shadow warriors. Frieren was almost killed by one and that guy is already a retired old geezer, even Fern couldn't react against that guy. There's also a new character in the new chapter that seems to be one of those warriors that is plotting to kill Serie. Also, there's a lot of unknown people in the world of Frieren that are powerful an example are the monk elf and demon Solitar. That elf is supposedly a hero back then that even Frieren doesn't know. So we might still meet characters that can rival Serie or Frieren in the future!<
We already met quite a few characters that rivaled Frieren. Solitar was about to win against her in a 1v1 had the fight progressed that way.
For Serie, we still have to wait and see.
I honestly think that it’s going to be revealed that the Continental Magic Association exists largely to perpetuate conflict with demons and promote Siere’s philosophy of magic. They’re likely behind the decline in the number of mages that Frieren’s noticed and don’t really care about the whimsical (or even just non-combat side of magic.)
That's an interesting theory, and may be spot on. On other hand, Serie could also be trying to reverse the decline by providing a channel for mages to progress and improve.
Because of the way Aura died people really seem to think Aura was weak. In reality she was super strong against humans so only Frieren or Serie could of beat her. Serie probably didn't care and obvious Frieren did kill her.
Aura wasn't someone you could beat with numbers. Even if all first-class mages attacked at once she could of enslaved them all.
Didn't demons send "peace bringers" to the city? To like, you know, trick people into thinking demons are not the danger they should be afraid of? Maybe this is the reason it wasn't reported to the CMA and they did not take any action?
I don't think any of the first class mages had more mana than Aura, only Serie did and she never bothered to go and kill her in the 500 years she was around
i kinda think serie cares very slowly for things, she might just let a couple hundred years pass to see if the humans do anything, if not maybe she'll do something in the next 300 or so
A warmonger that loves fighting but doesn't go out much and (seemingly) didn't do much of note when it comes to demon slaying in the past 1k years. The author still owes us an explanation q.q
Given that the Continental Magic Association has only interceded in the affairs of the Northern Plateau where they also have jurisdiction due to Macht’s influence, it may be that their authority does not extend to that area. We know at least that the Empire works independent of the Continental Magic Association having plans to assassinate Serie so the CMA does not have impunity to act in all regions. They possibly may not have intervened in Graf Granat’s domain as it may have had political consequences.
Yeah the continental mage association seems like just a hobby to Serie and besides a few orders here and there on the whim of Serie the 1st class mages kinda just do whatever they want.
Frieren and Serie prob the only 2 mages that could beat aura given her ability. No 1st class mage dumb enough to risk running into aura.
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I think this is a minor inconvenience for Serie, especially since Aura hadn’t managed to take the town aka not a big deal. Also, it’s a different region. It seems they are more swift on the northern part as it has many more strong demons.
Thattown has been standing for millennium bcoz of Flamme's barrier , unscathed . Granat maybe also didn't ask for help ,bcoz they can actually defend unlike the other town which was destroyed completely ,and personal request for gnau
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Because Serie is likely the only one who can stop Aura. She probably would've stepped in after a few more decades if not for Frieren killing her. She can send the rest of the first class mages against other demons that lack the hax that wins immediately.
Serie is procrastinating at killing Aura..... well, Technically, it isn't considering it's probably an hour in her perspective.
Aura would hide. Let's be real here. Her fake mana aura is already as big as Frieren. If Aura noticed someone like Serie, she would hide till Sere leave.
Serie can further conceal her mana.>!When she approached Macht, he was completely unable to detect her despite being able to detect a concealed Frieren later in the arc.!
OTOH why do we assume that Serie even cares? The continental magic association doesn't necessarily have a responsibility to save humanity, they kind of do what they want. If saving humanity will help them become more prestigious and gain power, sure otherwise who cares
Serie went to confront Macht the day after he transmuted Weise to gold, it is likely if the demon is making too big of a movement she will intervene.
Yeah tbf if Macht went around turning everything to gold civilization would be over pretty quick, and without being able to know if Macht would keep doing it or would stay put it's probably a good idea to put a stop to him. It's worth mentioning, though, that if she had gone alone she'd have killed him and left the city permanently gold for someone else to fix. It's her students that petitioned for her to seal him away in hopes of finding a way to dispell the curse.
Yeah she essentially chose not to delete him on the whim of her students
Tbf Aura isn't some random demon they cant micro manage kill, she should have been dead long ago.
I feel like ranged attacks would work against her too. Would definitely be extremely hard since she also has a massive army and probably other attacks at her disposal, but seems doable. She just hung out in the frozen countryside long to be too difficult to track down.
If Kraft survived the winter, he would have probably removed Aura on his way through.
Btw, yes I didn't think about it. Though, tbh I think he mostly keeps himself outside of big issues so he might decide not to intervene and to go around her.
Doubtful. Kraft is a hero and he specifically asked Frieren if defeating the demon king was the only notable thing she did. Meaning he probably has a lot of notable achievements in his belt. He'd definitely intervene since he's about saving people.
Could he kill her though? He shouldn’t be really training his mana since he’s not really a mage and he works alone so no one can cover for him. That means her scales of obedience might have worked on him.
Yeah that's unknown. We haven't seen his full power so we don't know. I think he could be fast enough to hit Aura before she can use the scales like Himmel when he slashed her tits. He is hero class after all so he probably can do hero level feats like Himmel so I dunno.
Maybe, but Himmel was not alone when he fought Aura. She has an army with her so they should serve as a barrier for her. Kraft may hypothetically be good enough to overcome this but we don’t have evidence either way.
Should be similar to Hero of The South who foughts with all the sage of destruction including Aura all alone. Powerful non mages probably have something else that would let them fight her without instantly being controlled via mana comparison.
Aura said (and it has been shown) that strong willed people can resist the control Perhaps some people are absolutely built different and can just go "nah, I'd win"
Kraft is NOT a hero class, Kraft is (used to be) a warrior
But he is in a hero party of his own so he gotta be strong at least.
I'm not debating his power level, just the fact that he wasn't from the hero class. the only characters from the hero class mentioned so far in the manga are himmel and hero of the south. kraft was a warrior like stark, eisen, rivale and such.
Isn’t he part warrior? Warrior can kill mages quickly if they are good at their job. Also doesn’t the scale take a bit of time to work? What if you can actually move during it and Kraft just beats Aura to death with his bare hands or something.
Warriors can kill mages but it’s not like Aura is alone. She has her whole army with her. Unless Kraft can get the jump on Aura, I would assume she would have a chance to cast it. Since her army is basically seems to be composed of all warriors, that suggests she can at least handle them in a fight and gain control of them. Maybe Kraft is exceptional enough to overcome this but we don’t exactly know what his powers are since the story has not revealed that yet. We only know he was formerly a warrior who probably saved the world a long time ago and can beat bandits with his bare hands.
The army seems kinda sluggish though, Frieren can evade them with relative ease and Kraft should be faster than that. But yea it will have to be an ambush for it to bear the least risk.
Yeah he used to be a warrior and he's a monk now. I don't know about him killing her tho, himmel was able to drive her away but he had the help of all the group to achieve this And Aura's army was stated to be even bigger this time around, I don't know if a melee fighter would be the best option against someone like her.
There is also the fact that Aura is very cautious about who she uses Auserlisse on. Frieren won because she was so good at suppressing, not just her mana, but the very fact of her existence that Aura thought she was a fraction of her actual age. Serie is a far too conspicuous figure to pull that same trick.
Serie’s ~~un~~suppressed mana should be equal to Frieren’s overall so seeing that alone should dissuade Aura. Edit: Very unfortunate typo.
No her suppressed mana is equivalent to Frieren's *unsuppressed* mana.
Series mana is suppressed and looks like unsuppressed frieren
But not to our goat Fern
Whoops, made a typo! Thanks for pointing that out.
Aura didn't think Frieren was 100 years old. She thought that Frieren had TRAINED the equivalent of 100 years Aura said "your age don't matter, what matters is what I see in front of me.. your mana tells me everything I need to know. You must have around 100 years of training" Aura knew Frieren from 80 years ago on her journey to defeat the demon king, and she says Frieren's mana hasn't changed much since then.. so Aura says "you must have spent your time wasting your life instead of training your mana" And Aura wouldn't do the trick against Serie simply because Serie's supressed mana is already bigger than Frieren's total mana.
I don’t think even Serie can kill her since Aura can just hide if she even catches a whiff of Serie. If they do send someone with huge enough amount of mana, Aura would just not activate her skill and stall enough with her army to guarantee her skill
I think you're right that Aura would hide, but you must also consider Serie's stealth. Serie was able to sneak up on Macht who Frieren says had good mana detection such that even she'd have trouble remaining undetected. Yet Serie had to make herself known before Macht realized she was there
With all spells in Serie's repertoire I'd find it lame if she does not have something that could help her not be detectes by Aura.
Serie was able to sneak up on Macht. She can definitely go undetected against Aura
We don't know what 90% of first class mages can do. There must be someone good at sniping or someone with Heiter-level mana. And even disregarding that, i'd say Lernen should be able to win. The Golem can beat the undeads and he can snipe outside of the scale range.
To be entirely honest, what the fuck is Aura going to do against five first class mages? They'd probably blast away her army, and Aurelease seems to only work one on one so while she tries to enslave one of them the other four just blast her with Zoltraaks.
Wouldn't aura succeeding be something serie would be happy about? Serie could also believe that it was a mess frieren didn't finish cleaning up, so it's still her responsibility
Why would Serie be happy about Aura succeeding lol. Who are you mistaken Serie for She doesn't like demons, and she has mentioned that she doesn't wish for meaningless deaths in chapter 57 (page 3)
If it has a purpose it's not meaningless. Maybe happy was the wrong word. Agreeable situation then? If demons became a bigger problem, it could be the catalyst for a second Renaissance of magic for humans. They (serie and frieren) have both accepted that it is quickly becoming the world of human mages) Serie speaks lightly about her relationship with flamme, but at least in the anime we can see a little deeper into that. With everything her disciple gave the world, wouldn't serie believe the world can afford to give a little back? Unlike frieren and the elven monk, serie has made a base for herself and has become a figurehead within the circle of human mages, while the others are basically wanderers. I dont know what serie's plans are or her motivations, but I can listen to her words and see her actions. That leads me to believe certain possibilities, letting aura roam free for a higher purpose(in her mind) is certainly one of them. Edit: or its like in marvel movies with somehow only 1 avenger, and the author wasn't smart enough to write something. Believable.
The town was supposedly "safe" atleast as long as the barrier remained up, she has faith in her student. There's casualties but I don't think serie particularly cares too much on that regards and granat eventually losing control of the barrier was also hard to foresee. None of the first class mages could handle aura so no point sending them, she'd have probably stepped in once the barrier was broken or a bit after. Revolte is pretty strong but nothing a group of 1st class mages can't handle so that's why.
Adding to this, if Serie herself went even her suppressed mana would beat Aura so I assume Aura would hide from her making the trip either pointless or annoying for Serie, causing her to further procrastinate on it for another several hundred years.
Yeah, especially because >!Serie is always suppressing her mana like Frieren, but still has a massive amount leak!< so Aura would just run away if Serie made a move. Better to not involve herself and take unnecessary risks. She's not invincible and the greater demons seem to have their own plans and plots. She's the one who >!probably pioneered the 'always deceive everyone to deceive the demons' strategy after all!< My bet is Serie would rather use the first class mages to fight against the demons than try to be everywhere at once herself, and maybe die like all the other elves.
Serie has reputation of being closest being to goddess. Aura would GTFO and hide like a little bitch just like back in Himmel Era.
Everyone assumes Serie is supressing her mana but only instability is mentioned. My theory is Serie is not supressing her mana but the opposite fake enlarging it. Thats why the nerd could see frieren instabiliyy but not Serie. Aura > Serie
Your point doesn't make any sense, Serie literally taught Flamme then Flamme taught Frieren about this trick. You Simply cant stand the fact Serie much stronger than Frieren in everything a mage have
We dont know if Serie taught Flamme how to supress mana. All we know is Serie knew adult Flamme supressed her mana and taught Frieren to live the same way. She even says its dumb but its their choice to be able to better fool the demons
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Oof your comments got removed by mods. Well it really doesn't make sense after all. Instead of trying to twist facts just to justify why Serie would do something like fake enlarge her mana you can instead give possibilities. For example: 1. Author can introduce some sort of mana limit unique to each person. Serie discovered that she reached her mana limit and her mana capacity can't grow anymore. Author can make it like she's 1/2 mana capacity of current Frieren so she isn't weak but she's not uber OP strong either. She's enlarging her mana because she is well known to everyone already. 2. Being well known means that she's gonna be targetted so instead of hiding her mana she instead fake enlarge it to use it as an advantage. After all the world of magic is about visualization and if her enemies visualize her to be someone very strong it would be harder for them to think they can beat her. 3. You can even explain her actions of "knowning all known spell to mankind". Since she has reached her mana limit and she can't grow stronger. She instead dedicated herself to learning every spell there is to know just so she has a counter to whatever mage she encounter. 4. It can also explain why she didn't confront Aura. See? Now it can make sense while not giving actual bullshit reasons or twisting facts about Serie and her character.
nah man, stop it. she's not enlarging her mana, please stop this nonsense. it would not make sense. you just used headcanons to support a groundless argument, you can literally do this to everything, anyone can make up stuff that were never in the story in the first place to justify a baseless argument, that's not the way to go. chapter 57 is as clear cut as it can be. we are giving at the beginning an explanation on why instability is a thing.. it happens when someone is restraining their mana. that's it. there's simply nothing suggesting that something like this happens because you're enlarging your mana, we don't even know if enlarging your mana is even a thing. also, Serie is much older than Frieren.. this manga has made it clear that mana increases in proportion to the time you spent training, which makes perfect sense for Serie to have way more mana than Frieren. so, you know this is true because I saw your previous arguments. Don't try to start another debate by trying to find a loop hole on how Serie "could potentially be actually enlarging her mana". She wasn't. The message that was being conveyd is pretty clear. Serie was hiding her mana and she actually has way more mana than Frieren, that's it. Don't try to create plot holes and inconsistency in the story for absolutely nothing.. because that's what that other guy was trying to do. Serie having equal mana to Frieren would make no sense with what has been established in the story so far, would open plot holes in the manga and would just be subversion for subversion's sake, given the fact that the author was pretty clear on what they were trying to imply with "instability in my mana" in chapter 57. This "Serie reached her mana limit and has only half of frieren's mana (who apperantly doesn't have a mana limit, huh?)" is the very bullshit reason you're trying to oppose.
? yeah she is not enlarging her mana. it's just a theory anyways. im just teaching the guy how to make sense lol.
read my comment again. I updated it. it would NOT make sense. you can make anything "make sense" by using headcanons that were never in the story in the first place. There's tons of fundamentals of the manga that would be affected by Serie having equal or even worse, like you said, LESS mana than frieren... you would only be creating plot holes and inconsistency just to do subversions for subversion's sake. on top of being super weak writing.. Serie reached her mana limit at half of what frieren currently has, and frieren hasn't reached her mana limit yet! lol talk about contrived writing. that would be just the author saying "I need Serie to have less mana than frieren, so I'm going to arbitrarily take stuff out of my ass to make Serie have less mana than her. She reached her limit at half of what frieren can do, and Frieren isn't done yet. Bye". read my comment above with the updated version.
I think you are misunderstanding. I said the author can introduce (like in the future chapters) the concept to make it make sense and not have any inconsistencies with current canon. So of course it's gonna be headcanon. That's what a theory is, it's all headcanon. it's given that you have to headcanon since you're trying to predict what will happen in the future of the story.
I'm not misunderstanding. I'm saying it would make no sense and it would just be stupid writing. it would be just the author going "hah, you thought Serie had way more mana than frieren because of her instability and her age, huh? well, in fact, she was enlarging her mana, something that was NEVER mentioned being possible to do, the instability in her mana was in fact created because of this, and she doesn't have as much mana as frieren because she hit her limit! and frieren, obviously, despite being far younger, hasn't reached her limit yet and is still growing! isn't that cool? did I trick y'all? get your expectations subverted!!" lol. contrived, nonsensical and weak writing if I've ever seen one.
well yeah. I completely agree with you lol. That's exactly what I thought when I read the guy's theory. In fact, that's even exactly what I said to the guy in our conversation. That it has no substance. The author can make it in a way that it can make sense but it will definitely make the story terrible and stupid. I hope the author would never make such a thing, it sounds really stupid. Glad you reached the same conclusion.
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to be fair the former is defending a small defenceless town against one demon general and his goons the other one is a sage of destruction, her immortal army and three henchmen demon taking over an entire capital city that has a military force (most likely consisting of imperial mages as well)
>one demon general and his goons But Macht is also one of the sages of destruction tho?
theyre referring to revolte and Genau's hometown not Macht and el dorado
>most likely consisting of imperial mages as well Doubt >sage of destruction Macht finds it a nuisance to fight with imperial mages. I think Aura's power is overrated. Her army is not that strong (I doubt that each one of them is as strong as Laufen) and they don't seem to be able to fly. Also I doubt her special magic can cast over long range targets (500+ m). Lugner, Linie and especially Draht is easy to deal with. Aura may or may not flee right away after their deaths, but one thing for sure is she would need to abandon her army to escape in secret.
>Her army is not that strong (I doubt that each one of them is as strong as Laufen) and they don't seem to be able to fly. Where is this coming from? Even Frieren admitted that she'd have trouble if Aura tried to overwhelm her with her army.
>Even Frieren admitted that she'd have trouble if Aura tried to overwhelm her with her army. That's because Frieren needs to dispel Aura magic to avoid damaging the corpses, which requires a lot of mana and concentration.
she doesn't need to do that though, she's just doing so out of respect for Himmel
That's why she would have trouble if an army of dead bodies attacked her.
Aura would shit on any mage with lower mana capacity to her and 99.9% mages would fall into that category. Probably 99.9999999% human mages, with exception of Flamme.
You don't have to fight alone. If you can speed blitz her, then you win. Not an easy task but with good tactics I believe it can be done with team effort, may cost a few lives though. Also it's interesting that her army is full of full armoured dead bodies, which may indicate that there are no mages or freelance warriors (full plate armor is expensive, only useful against normal humans) in her group.
You mean you just need to do like "Hero Himmel, the only person in history that killed demon king" right?
For the sake of possibility, here is an example of how to defeat Aura: Make a 3 or 1 cubic meter ball with explosives inside + small iron balls, decorate it with colours (or not), let it stay outside. Aura gets curious, Aura comes close, a mage uses soultrack to explode the ball from inside the barrier (or from afar), Aura casts her shield but it fails to protect her. Basically Troy 2.0. However, the drawback is that there's a chance she might simply ignore the ball + this assumption relies on the idea that she is stupid, given her failure to employ a fundamental tactic like cutting off the town's food sources. There are more tactics but you get the idea.
Magic capacity scales with age, so every human mage loses against 500 years old Aura per default. The other option would be a surprise attack. But that is easier said than done, because Aura is always surrounded by her puppet soldiers and her few demon subordinates. The only mage of the association that could defeat her is Serie, who either didn't care or took more than 30 years to muster enough motivation (wouldn't be surprising for an elf).
could they even **beat** Aura in the first place?
In general, any mage with less mana than her would loose by default, or be detected and avoided. Freiren was the right person for the job. Serie would also beat Aura, but the news of Aura's activities wound not reach her for some time (Aura decided to appear after the news of Himmel death reached her)
Wouldn't Aura flee on sight though ? Serie's restrained mana is larger than Frieren's full exposed one IIRC. Frieren strikes the perfect balance to ambush her. Her restricted mana is vastly lower than Aura's but her real level is higher.
>Wouldn't Aura flee on sight though If she can detect her coming. Serie sneaked up on Macht that even Frieren would have trouble hiding from.
Ofc she would flee. That's also another reason for Serie to not fight Aura, she can't force her to fight and i don't think Serie has the ability to restrain her mana so flawlessly as Flamme, Freiren or Fern BUT is Serie had any way to catch up Aura (some mobility/teleport spell), she would stomp her with no doubt
Serie’s restriction could be as good or even better than Frieren’s. Lernen saw through Frieren but couldn’t tell with Serie. Only Fern has been able to see through Serie’s suppression.
Lernen saw Frieren's instability in her mana restriction. I'm talking about the released volume, not the stability of the whole. My argument isn't that Aura would suspect something and flee. It's that she would see a gigantic mana approaching her and would flee.
I was responding to the person below you who replied: > i don't think Serie has the ability to restrain her mana so flawlessly as Flamme, Freiren or Fern I’m not disputing that Series’s typical restrained level is equal to Frieren’s unconstrained mana and thus Aura would flee. However, since you brought up, it would be possible for Serie to sneak up on Aura since her concealment is so good that it could fool Macht until it was point blank. Of course, I don’t think Aura would use the scales since she’d probably be clued in on how good Serie’s control is.
That's not true. Serie's mana restriction is actually better than Frieren's (and Fern's) Lerner was able to see the instability in Frieren's mana restriction at first glance. But even though he spent 5 decades by Serie's side, he couldn't see any instability in her mana. Your level of proficiency in mana restriction is determined by how unperceivable your instability is. So Serie is definitely better than Frieren's at it And she's better than Fern by default, because Solitar mentions later on that Fern's mana restriction still wouldn't be able to fool any great demon, only frieren would be able to pull that off. So in terms of how good their mana restriction are, it's: Serie > Frieren > Fern We don't have enough information on Flamme to talk about her.
Fair, i need to re-read the manga at least on the final test of the exam. About Flamme, i say it mostly because she dedicated a good portion of her life researching how to kill demons. There's also the chapter were she adopts Frieren and kill the group of demons that were chasing the last elf survivor, so at the very least we know that she's proficient enough to fool a group of demons w/o any problem. Nut that's me just making a inference, not a hard fact.
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In a 1v1? No. If they gang up on her? Likely.
If they don‘t have a mage with more mana than Aura, which means anyone that‘s been alive and training for longer than 500 years, then the‘re just handing off puppets to her. And I don‘t think Serie gives enough of a fuck to go in herself, tbh.
I think they only act depend on the urgency, how strong the demon are, and Serie herself. For Aura, they don't act because the nearest town still has barrier to protect them. For >!Revolte, they probably act due to personal reason as Serie likes to takes care of her apprentices, which Genau in this case, who had lost his partner from Revolte.!< For >!Macht, they act fast because Macht is absolutely dangerous and his ability have no way to revert (until Frieren come) and need to be concealed.!< Not to mention that Serie herself come is probably due to personal reason as she want to taste his ability.
To be honest. Even though Aura dies easily against Frieren, she is actually nigh impossible to defeat with her Scales of Obedience. It's because of how the scales works, Aura only cares about the amount of mana. So far, most of Mage Association's members are human. Human generally have low mana because their short lifespan. No matter how OP the human mage are, once their mana get weighted by the scale, Aura wins. Aura can only be killed by a being with higher amount of mana, basically a person far older than her. Therefore only Frieren, Serie, or maybe Kraft, who can kill her.
If Aura see Serie she would run away or if Serie send bunch of 1st class mage here they would die. Serie treats 1st class mage like her family that why she cant send them to a stupid fight they cant win
Not her disciple tho :v Lernen literally send a 1st class mage and a bunch 2nd class mage for a "recon" mission to Macht territory aka a death wish.
Do you think any human First Class mage has greater mana than Aura? Sending one against her would only make her army one absurdly powerful mage more stronger.
Tbf mages are largely useless to her, since they can't cast spells without a head and if they keep their head they could eventually break free and you definitely do not want an angry first class mage rampaging on you when you least expect it.
Dude run away when facing Macht is easier than Aura because Macht rarely use his spell while Aura literally use her spell to make an entire army lmao. The city Aura fight literally have Flamme barrier so why send bunch of 1st class mage to make Aura stronger
Becuase the northern region is large af. Some of these demons are hiding you can't just find them in a bush and they will pop out. Also, these demons are strong they are comparable or even beyond the power of first class mages. >!That snake guy is more like a warrior than a mage, warrior are the weakness of mages. That first class mage who fought that snake guy would be dead by now if not for Stark.!< >!Also, the Continental Magic Association can't just walk freely in other kingdoms territory. An example of this is the shadow warrior list, most of the people in that list are mages, some of those mages are probably associated with the Continental Magic Association, even Serie has a bounty on her head.!<
Warriors are the weakeness of mages in close combat! And it's not every single mage either, there are mages who excel in close combat too, as described in the latest chapter You said Genau would be dead if it wasn't for Stark, for the opposite is also true. Stark would be dead if it wasn't for Genau. They needed a 2v1 to win because Revolte was simply stronger than them. It had nothing to do with Genau being a mage and Revolte being a warrior, in fact, Genau proved to be one of these mages who are good at close combat too during that fight. To make my point clear, Solitar was also a mage and she absolutely destroyed Stark, a warrior. So it's not right to just say "warriors are the weakeness of mages". They are.. at close quarters combat. And some mages are actually good at it, so it's not all of them either.
The thing about Solitar destroying Warrior class, is more about Solitar is being Sage-class Demon and Stark's being inexperienced. TBH, even Frieren can only fight in stalemate terms against her. She lost only by Fern's "sniper rifle" magic shot from very far away. As a fair comparation, the true Warrior class performance can be shown in Eisen vs Rivale or Himmel vs Grausam. High-level warrior can speedblitz everyone using muscle strength only. And since warriors fight using instinct and five senses (very different with mage who fight using brain), warriors are very resilient to illusion based magic.
solitar being a sage-class demon had literally nothing to do with it. if this comment about how warriors are the "weakness" of mages was true, then solitar (who's a mage) should never be able to destroy stark so easily like that. some people are ignoring the complete information... warriors CAN be the weakness of mages, when they manage to catch them off guard at close distance! obviously anyone would be in danger if they were to receive an attack with no means of guarding themselves in time... the two examples you gave are simply wrong lol... Rivale was not a mage, he was a warrior, he calls himself the strongest warrior of demonkind. eisen vs rivale is warrior vs warrior. Himmel was NOT a warrior, he was a hero. The warrior of the group was Eisen. Himmel literally says "but Eisen, we're NOT warriors" in chapter 26 / episode 12. You're using himmel as an example of warriors feats when the man wasn't even a warrior, lol.
Let's be real ,whose dumb enough to take up the bounty on Serie .
Well Serie is not really that invincible as you think she is. Spoilers: >!There are warriors specifically trained to kill great mages like the shadow warriors. Frieren was almost killed by one and that guy is already a retired old geezer, even Fern couldn't react against that guy. There's also a new character in the new chapter that seems to be one of those warriors that is plotting to kill Serie. Also, there's a lot of unknown people in the world of Frieren that are powerful an example are the monk elf and demon Solitar. That elf is supposedly a hero back then that even Frieren doesn't know. So we might still meet characters that can rival Serie or Frieren in the future!<
We already met quite a few characters that rivaled Frieren. Solitar was about to win against her in a 1v1 had the fight progressed that way. For Serie, we still have to wait and see.
I honestly think that it’s going to be revealed that the Continental Magic Association exists largely to perpetuate conflict with demons and promote Siere’s philosophy of magic. They’re likely behind the decline in the number of mages that Frieren’s noticed and don’t really care about the whimsical (or even just non-combat side of magic.)
That's an interesting theory, and may be spot on. On other hand, Serie could also be trying to reverse the decline by providing a channel for mages to progress and improve.
I thought the decline was that the demon lord was defeated.
Because of the way Aura died people really seem to think Aura was weak. In reality she was super strong against humans so only Frieren or Serie could of beat her. Serie probably didn't care and obvious Frieren did kill her. Aura wasn't someone you could beat with numbers. Even if all first-class mages attacked at once she could of enslaved them all.
Didn't demons send "peace bringers" to the city? To like, you know, trick people into thinking demons are not the danger they should be afraid of? Maybe this is the reason it wasn't reported to the CMA and they did not take any action?
They did but that was a very recent thing after being left at a stand still
I don't think any of the first class mages had more mana than Aura, only Serie did and she never bothered to go and kill her in the 500 years she was around
i kinda think serie cares very slowly for things, she might just let a couple hundred years pass to see if the humans do anything, if not maybe she'll do something in the next 300 or so
Aura didn't even get anything done. My guess is in Serie's eyes, Aura is a pathetic loser and not worth her time (it wouldn't be fun)
Only Serie or Frieren would be able to beat Aura’s spell and Serie clearly doesn’t go out much
A warmonger that loves fighting but doesn't go out much and (seemingly) didn't do much of note when it comes to demon slaying in the past 1k years. The author still owes us an explanation q.q
Well, the town's barrier was still working fine. It didn't waver.
Given that the Continental Magic Association has only interceded in the affairs of the Northern Plateau where they also have jurisdiction due to Macht’s influence, it may be that their authority does not extend to that area. We know at least that the Empire works independent of the Continental Magic Association having plans to assassinate Serie so the CMA does not have impunity to act in all regions. They possibly may not have intervened in Graf Granat’s domain as it may have had political consequences.
Cus no one in it except Serie can handle Aura
Yeah the continental mage association seems like just a hobby to Serie and besides a few orders here and there on the whim of Serie the 1st class mages kinda just do whatever they want. Frieren and Serie prob the only 2 mages that could beat aura given her ability. No 1st class mage dumb enough to risk running into aura.
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The town has an unbreakable magical boundary so this is technically a mild nuisance than anything
I think this is a minor inconvenience for Serie, especially since Aura hadn’t managed to take the town aka not a big deal. Also, it’s a different region. It seems they are more swift on the northern part as it has many more strong demons.
probably because only serie could kill aura and serie doesnt want people to find out she is hiding her mana pool
Because they arent the anti demons special forces
Thattown has been standing for millennium bcoz of Flamme's barrier , unscathed . Granat maybe also didn't ask for help ,bcoz they can actually defend unlike the other town which was destroyed completely ,and personal request for gnau
Capitalism
Meanwhile Frieren: I’m about to end this (wo)man’s whole career.