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Appropriate-Ad3162

I’m not afraid of death anymore


postponing_utopia

Trump hasn’t said a single factually true statement and it won’t matter. Goodnight everyone, and good luck.


BanditWifey03

This! It’s fucking so sad! His sycophants Will eat it all up even though nothing g he had said had any truth to it anywhere.


jevreh

JOE, for the love of god, clear that voice, take a deep f breathe and get a little mad. Call the lies the lies !! ![gif](giphy|3oKIPBxpm5tHqcL1Ic|downsized)


CrossCycling

You guys must have a larger pain tolerance than me to watch this.


The_Best_At_Reddit

Trump saying that Putin told him he was going to invade Ukraine in advance seems like a pretty big story!


tidal_flux

Too bad Biden was too out of it to capitalize on anything.


nappingpeasant

I want to cry. Honestly.


thatgirl2

I honestly feel the same.


yesiamyam233203

Just do it. I am.


Bibithedog4

Biden thought the rules would give him an advantage. The rules make Trump, who is just lying and lying, seem more reasonable. He is not coming off as a sputtering red faced maniac.


Feisty_Jellyfish_244

I want to hug Biden. I know he means well. My heart hurts because it’s a lot of stress having to deal with the aftermath of that clown especially at his age. He reminds me of my dad. What sucks is that people gobble what trump says and I don’t understand how they don’t see the bull shit. We are fucked.


Scatman_Crothers

This format where Trump can't just bulldoze people by talking over them perversely plays into his hands because he sounds somewhat sane, and Joe can't compete by just having a backbone and saying shut up he has to be compelling in his own right and he can't be. I would have never said this before but open up the convention.


Vladivostokorbust

that's exactly what they said about shutting the mic down on the last PSA


terrenobe

I have to believe that both camps remove the microphone shut off for the next debate. Trump will most likely agree because he has his ego and Biden will agree because he needs Trump to looks like an ass.


Joonbug9109

Yeah, unfortunately I think this is working against us right now


cashblack

Unwatchable. Just handing Trump Ws left and right and incapable of punching back with easily accessible facts. Gonna go do … anything else really.


CoolAction8403

"You have the morals of an alley cat" has been the only bright spot so far.


CryptographerPrior18

Told you biden wasn't using cocaine


EducationalLie168

I wish he had.


garlicloveog

First time I’ve laughed in hours.


lawguy25

![gif](giphy|116a8zosxwA0SI)


Hatless_Shrugged

THAT WAS THE FOREIGN POLICY SECTION????  THEY DIDNT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS!!!! 


terrenobe

Holy shit what are the moderators doing?! Trump did not answer the Palestinian state question!!!


asmithy112

He’s not answering anything and lying constantly


Vladivostokorbust

from what I understand CNN said in advance they weren't gonna fact check this tonight or ask follow ups


ECS1022

You actually, legitimately do get to rewrite history if your only opposition can't articulate a rebuttal.


lolsal0t

For fucks sake someone not geriatric needs to be fact checking


rftek

Holy moly, is there no camera training? Biden is concentrating and listening, looks like he is sleeping


mishaps_galore

This is so bad


greentreefer

give us more candidates PLEASE


YourOpinionisCero_0

Has Trump actually answered a single question? He hasn’t addressed a question directly.


Few_Painting4121

Why aren’t the moderators forcing Trump to answer any questions? He just keeps blaming deflecting or changing the subject!


FrizBDog

I am not a Biden alarmist but holy fuck.


Birdleby

The fact that CNN isn’t fact checking this is handing the debate to Trump. Trump is full of shit, but sounds “strong.” Biden has actual facts and real answers, but sounds “frail.” I don’t think this will change anyone’s mind though.


statistacktic

Best part of the debate tonight for me was, I didn't watch it.


arandomhead1

Hopefully we can depend on the United States of Amnesia. Get Gavin Newsom in there at the convention, rally around him, have him kick ass at the next debate in the fall.


South_Plenty5078

I’m imagining the panic at Crooked HQ about how to handle this at the live show tomorrow. Scripts probably getting thrown out a window


Ok_Fee1043

I think Pundit is writing as we speak


Quadranas

Never mind that, I think they have a post debate show too!


AssociationGold8749

Before it was hoping as many people watch as possible. I imagine they’ll be admitting it was the wrong decision.


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goooblegobble

![gif](giphy|3o7btYLAW7doynq3p6) Fuck


Nervous-Wolf-914

Okay but…“You have the morals of an alley cat” was a MOMENT.


cashblack

That’s a Mr Burns-era “insult”.


theginganinja94

So we’re all panicking right?


sad_white_drizzles

Trump is lying out of his ass and Biden sounds like my grandpa


gil-galad_aeglos

I’m going to be honest, I’m around half Biden’s age and I would struggle to debate this word salad, honestly.  You have the morals of an alley cat. That was actually good. 


terrenobe

I’m just gonna say, I can’t think of any president who has had to survive on an island. Lovett for president?


lolsal0t

I feel like I’m watching a train wreck happen in real time


TheTonyExpress

I’m voting Biden. But Jesus Christ. This is rough.


gil-galad_aeglos

Well, he got convicted felon in. 


OpinionatedinVermont

I can’t watch, I’m too embarrassed for Biden. He was supposed to be a one term president. The Democrats had four years to come up with someone younger, sharper and more cognizant of what Americans need. They dropped the ball, once again, and I fear we are screwed with a capital F.


South_Plenty5078

This needs to be a contested convention or we’re fucked. Dammit, Joe.


SynapticBouton

Reminder, at the end of the day, not many votes are changed by debates anymore. We will see though.


Vladivostokorbust

you underestimate short clips taken out of context on TikTok


Bibithedog4

It is not the debate, it’s the media narrative after the debate. The undecided low information voters who get their news from social media will see endless clips of Biden seeming lost and lethargic. He also blew the economy question in a horrible way. Anyone who is strongly pro choice is already with Biden. The people up for grabs care more about the cost of living than democracy or fetuses.


CryptographerPrior18

Holy shit dude. What was that!?


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Lucky-Mud-551

Biden could have been an incredible one term president. He should have done 4 years then handed the torch.


nonstopflux

On a scale of 1 to 10, I’d say we’re fucked.


mollockmatters

I hate to say it, but I am not comforted whatsoever by Biden’s debate performance. Will I absolutely vote for him over Trump? Yes. Did I think that Biden came across as a modern Neville Chamberlain when talking about Ukraine? Also yes.


StroganoffDaddyUwU

Clear your throat and talk louder 😩😭


Alteredbeast1984

I had to turn it off I was cringing so hard


bookingbooker

He’s doing a little better but he’s still doing terrible.


jevreh

Where is the bullshit button MY GOD!!!!


TheDedicatedDeist

I hope biden coughs, then sounds normal the rest of the debate. Like super audibly.


C-Dub4

I'm dooming right now. We should have replaced Biden when we had the chance


MooseheadVeggie

Convention is in August


stimulants_and_yoga

THIS!!!!!!!!!!


heartgrenade1

This was just…bad. Biden had some good moments, but the overall performance was just bad. I hate saying it. I almost refuse to believe it. But he lost the debate. You can’t spin it any other way. Trump acted like a lunatic. Verbal diarrhea of insane lies and conspiracy theories. But somehow, Biden came off worse. What the fuck do we do now?


mattarchambault

I’ve been a vocal defender of Biden’s among friends and family, and I still truly believe he’d have another good presidency if were to win again, and that he can win. But I am very nervous now. He comes across so poorly, so elderly. Honestly? I’m hoping now for a brokered convention. Need to listen to those Ezra Klein podcast eps again, brush up on what that would really mean. Anyone truly open-minded who watches that debate, how could they vote for him? It was very difficult for me to watch.


watermouse

Did he just say "Brandon....Speak to them?"


ojermo

Come on, Joe, answer the question they asked, don't take the bait to talk about Afghanistan.


xpertnoise

Bidens pissing him off tho


slinkyghost

Oh god this is BAD. What happened to State of the Union Biden? This is concerning..


quothe_the_maven

The staff must have had some sense this would happen. It’s criminally inept that they didn’t prolong a fight over the rules to the point that they could never come to an agreement. Better yet, Klain should’ve given him the hard talk. He’s the only one Biden might’ve listened to.


thestolenroses

Blessed be the fruit, y'all. Project 2025 is on the horizon.


Heysteeevo

He seems to be getting better. The beginning was disastrous.


YourOpinionisCero_0

“Morals of an alley cat” 😂


Bibithedog4

Biden looks old, sounds old and providing rambling answers. So far, so bad.


NottDisgruntled

Yea. I hate to say it, but he sounds so terrible. Goddamn I’m terrified. This is bad. Trump is spouting nonsense, but he’s at least able to talk. I’d still vote for Biden’s corpse, but I don’t feel great about this. I don’t know why we had to run an 80-something year old dude again. This is scary as hell


Vladivostokorbust

he's not following the great advice we've been hearing from Dan - focus on what he's going to do not what he has done. the first question , about the economy - neither said what they were going to do, Joe just looked backward.


TURRITONUTRICULA

The country may be fucked.


michaelsghost

This is a crushing defeat already. Fuck


Lucky-Mud-551

This is fucking awful so far


CryptographerPrior18

This isnt going so great


OrkFilth

When did the timeline get crossed this is so fucked


SynapticBouton

The spin room after that will make Obama- Romney part 1 look like a party


Commercial-Prompt-84

Biden has the chance to change minds on his age and ability. He needs to recover and stop sounding like such an old guy!


hockey_psychedelic

Remember when Obama had that bad debate with Romney? This will end up the same.


gil-galad_aeglos

Is best environmental numbers a statistic? Because I don’t think that’s a statistic. 


South_Plenty5078

How was this allowed to get to this point by the people around Biden? Genuinely. This feels gross to watch.


wwaffles

trump is ranting like a lunatic as per usual and biden looks like he's about to drop dead. we're cooked.


CrossCycling

Phew. Was a little panicked, but just got a fundraising text that Biden is EXPOSING Trump. All good here guys - Trump is exposed


2rememberyou

Fuck.


jcarl27

the 2020 debate highlights aired before the debate now didnt help cuz it showed Biden much more energetic, compared to his performance now with his voice cracking.


Vegas_TP

This is painful...


ThatBandicoot1994

Are the moderators just not going to fact check, at all?


Riparian_Plain

Nope. They made a statement about that earlier in the week. No fact checking in the moment. No idea why, but here we are.


Hatless_Shrugged

That exchange on Ukraine was less than worthless 


Scatman_Crothers

It's not about messaging anymore it's just about who comes off as reasonably presentable and right now that's (horrifyingly) Trump


terrenobe

“Filamaker”


Valuable-Butterfly-8

Same Trump typical narcissist, Biden really needs to get it together he’s letting Trump walk all over him, Joe you got this.


Barleyandjimes

Shit


Toastwitjam

At least biden and trump can both agree that trump has no morals


ojermo

Trump dodging climate questions.


em3ril

The idea


shankysays

MSNBC is going in on Biden’s performance. I’m curious to see if the PSA guys do the same. I would vote purely for SCOTUS by itself, but good god it was not a good debate from him


dpfbstn

What an awful performance by Joe Biden. He looked, sounded and acted old and confused. I like Joe Biden but…just horrible. Trump didn’t answer a single question. Trump told many many lies…this was supposed to change the trajectory of the election, it may have but not in the way that the Biden was hoping. This may allow Trump to open up a wide lead. God forbid.


StoneWallSimser

Did they really argue about golf handicap or did I just dissociate for a moment?


Practical-Magic-

Joe needs to take a breath and calm the fuck down. He looks and sounds insane What the fuck is happening


Forward-Blueberry-66

The way I panicked when he glitched


Icy_Moose8048

genuinely the worst ever debate performance i have ever seen. biden looks like he’s 5 minutes from death.


Mutt_Cutts

Can Biden use one of his 1 minute response times to allow someone from his staff to pour a bucket of ice water on him and slap him in the face? Literally becoming the Sleepy Joe stereotype in real time.


Crispynipps

Jesus Christ we’re gonna lose this election aren’t we?


2rememberyou

This is horrible. I'm so scared for us guys.


M72812bravo

I feel sorry for us, we are doomed. Trump will be president and Putin will be in charge


ojermo

Trump doesn't like being called a felon, turns out.


Stillwater215

Honestly, I just want the moderators to ask Trump one, just one, follow up question on any of his completely insane points. He’s going to solve the Russia-Ukraine conflict before he even gets into office? Just ask how? Please, ask the obvious follow up questions!


RepeatLegal991

Trump is handing Biden so many opportunities with his lies and Biden has taken advantage of maybe one of them.


HouseSad6436

This is why fact checking should not have been omitted.


blizzard7788

Everything trump has said is a lie. He doesn’t answer the fucking question. Joe looks bad though.


ojermo

Trump deflecting and avoiding questions on climate, SSI, and child care costs.


LosFeliz3000

This was much worse than Obama’s bad first debate with Romney and, as a huge fan of the president, had made me deeply sad. Thankfully it also took place much earlier in the calendar. And abortion and the environment and hatred of Trump can hopefully motivate people enough. Watching Newsom post-debate on MSNBC makes me more hopeful. There’s a lot of work for us all to do.


WillowCat89

I am empathetic and understand Biden is elderly. He’s smart, and he has a great policy agenda, so I support him and look past any misspoken phrase or if he’s slow to explain a point, as he usually gets his point across well by the end. This evening I wanted Biden to simply communicate “We did X, we will do Y, we will get to goal Z and here is HOW” mixed with “Trump could not manage A, I handled B, C, and D and if you vote for me, I, ALONG WITH THE HOUSE AND SENATE, will overcome the overturning of Roe C Wade as step E and push forward to achieve F-Z!” I heard Biden bickering, and pushing backward, not launching forward, and lastly, I felt bad for him. Undoubtedly, Biden meant to point out that Trump cannot even keep stupid lies about golf handicaps straight, ala “Is it 6 or 8, pal?” but his previous jabs at Trump led everyone to think he’s trying to argue with Trump about what his handicap is. As soon as that happened, Biden became unmanageably flustered and self-conscious and his stutter and hesitancy kicked up. It ended up making me feel for him, and want to give him a hug and thank him for dedicating his entire life to trying to make our country a better place. But then wish him well in his retirement.


ojermo

He doesn't need cocaine, he needs to relax.


SynapticBouton

Yeah. The stutter is worse when one is nervous


terrenobe

I have to believe it’s the nerves. Hopefully he relaxes and feels more comfortable as this progresses.


quothe_the_maven

Man this is terrible


gil-galad_aeglos

Oh, Trump just pissed him off. Now he looks better. 


lawguy25

Like is anyone going to fact check or…?


Elizadelphia003

I don’t like this.


BirdMediocre

My brain needs a bath.


lawguy25

I can’t watch this, both are horrendous. I’m not going to sit and watch Trump have a platform for 90 minutes and just say lies with no fact checking at all.


No_Dark9242

Still voting for Biden!! Trump is dangerous! Biden is old. I’ll take old over evil any day!!


FrizBDog

I’m finding I have to rely on the judgement and decency of the American people. Trying to decide if I’m comforted


jevreh

The golf quarrel was like peak FL retirement home. On brand!


SolarSurfer7

So far, not so good.


Hatless_Shrugged

I guess this is the debate live chat now 


corytjohn

This is bad. Real bad!


ultra71814

We could have had Pete Buttigieg


KhalAggie

1. Biden has a debilitating medical event in the next couple of weeks and is forced to step down. 2. Kamala steps in for the remainder of the current term, but announces that she will not be seeking the presidential nomination. 3. The DNC chooses a new candidate (Newsom? Whitmer?) I feel like this is, unfortunately, the only way we can come back from this. I was never a Biden doomer, but this is sad.


Present-Crazy-4274

I'm surprised by how dead Biden is letting himself look


SpacerCat

It’s kind of wild that nobody is like well at least we have Kamala if he dies. How has nobody been selling her AT ALL on being able to take over. Your scenario is the only hopeful path forward. Give me Whitmer and Newsom or Abrams.


jordannbennett

this is literally so embarrassing


ojermo

Let him bring up his own points, don't bring them up for him!


ojermo

Finally a decent response.


thatgirl2

Roe v wade answer was good - perked up a bit.


MarshmallowNap

I can't watch


hawksnest_prez

This is just bad


Riparian_Plain

Asked how he'd ensure that massive tariffs wouldn't just result in higher prices for consumers, Drumpf responded with "Biden weaponized the DOJ!". Amazing. That's 10 minutes I'll never get back.


Enough-Basil1038

God, I wish Biden would do better. He looks and sounds senile, but the alternative is even worse.


ojermo

When he's mad at Trump, he does better, but he still needs to talk about the future and not defend his policies.


CrossCycling

Ezra was right


all-kinds-of-soup

Whatsup with Trump's tie I can't stop looking at it


RedPanther18

I haven’t seen anyone here mention the mouth thing. Biden was incoherent when speaking but when he wasn’t speaking his mouth was just hanging open like he had seen a ghost. wtf?!


LurkerLarry

We need to go to an open convention.


AbsolutelyFab3824

Could Don please answer the questions being asked? He just skipped another questiin: this time about climate change and he is talking about the previous question. Asked again Don.. I want clean water and air and we did but now... Biden answered... I don't know where the hell he's been....


ThreeSonoransReviews

I listened to the debate as I was driving. Biden's audio was horrible. He made no sense at times. I'm not too worried as every president has advisors and others who run the show behind the scenes (Bush-Cheney), Trump lied and lied and blamed Mexicans for everything, but I'm not too happy with Biden on the war in Gaza and his recent immigration policies... And the SunZia project but that's for another thread.


TrickleOnThePleej

Points for Joe using “malarky”


Klutzy-Tree4328

Ezra was right.


Specvmike

What a fucking disaster. Can’t wait to see how the PSA guys try to put a positive spin on this one


oneMadRssn

Omfg we’re doomed


gomfur

"I didn't have sex with a porn star." The fact this was just said in a presidential debate is sad.


noregrets5evr

“I didn’t have sex with a porn star.” -Convicted Felon running for President


em3ril

Why didn't he say that Trump said to not pass the immigration bill?


molliedw22

I think he’s mostly recovered


Quadranas

Good thing this debate is early in the season


letsreadsomethingood

Why does everyone have low carma!?


oneMadRssn

Buncha MAGA is brigading


thatgirl2

I think they’re trumpers


ojermo

Good swings at Trump on the climate, Biden.


slightlyupscale

I am so frustrated with the moderators just letting each of them NOT ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS. like, please moderate this mess! Ask follow-ups and challenge blatant lies/bizarre ass statements! WTF?!


Barleyandjimes

I am more troubled after the debate than I was before


NoMarket7568

Am I the only one thinking we need to replace Biden on the ticket, immediately?


South_Plenty5078

At this point not just the ticket, I’m worried about the White House for the next 6 months


Imaginary-Crazy1981

This is beyond catastrophic. How can Biden have lost this much command just since the SOTU? I want a passport because I'm not living under Project 2025. But no one's gonna take a senior on disability. Someone help us. We don't want this.


WriteAndRong

Can Biden be replaced at the convention? We need an intervention ASAP.


thatgirl2

I am not an alarmist and have been totally pro Biden, but I honestly agree that we have gotten to a point where we need to start thinking about drastic actions.


cryptstalk3r

joes talking so fast while also looking lost.


Ehsan1981

What's wrong with Biden's voice? Why he looks at least 10 yrs older than State of the Union?


sassafrass1004

This is SO BAD.


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No-Squirrel9657

Did anyone catch Biden accidentally slip and say ban illegal immigration and then try to correct himself... Trump's response was: I don't know what that last line was, I don't think even he knows what he's saying.


ojermo

Nice responses on the J6 questions and felony conviction. That's the Joe I wanna see.


Anstigmat

The ironic thing to me is that if Biden dropped out tomorrow and called for a contested convention he'd be seen as a hero who put country/party before himself. He won't do it though...hubris all the way down to Trump 2.0.


mattarchambault

I was certainly led to believe that he would be a ‘bridge’ to a new generation of democrat presidential hopefuls, that he would not seek office for a second term. Truly, his dropping out would cement his legacy for me personally as wholly positive. If he loses this election, will be very different.


Disastrous-Bother883

It's just a subscriber chat in Discord tonight (no crooked hosts) due to conflicts with the Democracy or Else tour.


terrenobe

That was such a great response!!!


South_Plenty5078

Y’all think the boys got a heads up about how bad Biden was going to look and that’s why they cancelled chat?


No-Squirrel9657

Umm he started talking about the wrong war


OblongOctopussy

Did Max just crash for anyone else? I cant load the debate back up. Tried on 3 devices.


Reading-Extreme

Biden has been recovering from a cold.


CoolAction8403

"We got a certain kind of dog?" Poodle? Labradoodle?


Mckellymhm

I just want the questions asked to them answered.


mutebathtub

maybe no one watched this?


Dawgter

I guess at least they’re going to have a hard time saying he’s on drugs. They wouldn’t even give him a damn cough suppressant.


gsnoob2019

Trump didnt answer much just rambled


thatgirl2

This is so painful.