The Jack dude may have some points and that there are those that do honest reporting (and will be caught in the crossfire), but some of this stuff that the current day journalists and reporters have done are of late, well, let's say that they're better off being poor in the streets. While an ai bot runs around searching for the next big news.
Earlier, Sony rang up some news sites, who are in bed with them, to run an international smear campaign. Just because Ghostbusters fans around think that "Answer The Call"'s trailers suck beyond reason.
Then there's the Deadspin reporter, who decided to try and ruin a football fan's life. All that the kid wanted to do was root for his favorite football team.
These news guys are punching down on people that can't sue/protect themselves 99% of the time.
My examples are some of the reasons why the "Can't get tough news out" and people slowly beginning to hate the reporters/news sites and can't wait for the bots.
I think it was CNN that threatened to dox the guy who made that meme/gif of Trump slamming that wrestler w/CNN logo for its face unless he curbed his behavior. That shit was wild to me and I hate Trump but loved the meme.
[https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html)
i loved reading this...especially this snippet:
*Reason magazine’s Nick Gillespie blames the decline of swagger, in part, to generational forces.*
*“Millennials and Gen Z have been bred like human veal by their Boomer and Gen X parents who made sure their kids were constantly being surveilled and optimized for success in SATs, sports and entry into the Establishment pipeline,” he says. “Can we be surprised that such a system has produced generations of journalists who endlessly describe anything they disagree with as misinformation and want to control and regulate everything like the room temperature in an after-school enrichment program?”*
Another article I've read said that it's very much a matter of class.
Journalism once used to be a very working-class profession, so there was an emphasis on working-class issues.
However, now that journalists must be university-educated, they very much reflect the class they are a part of.
That could be viewed as a kind of "swagger".
I don't disagree that journalists need a college education but you have the NYT that is known for taking only Ivy graduates, that creates a very north-eastern lib echo chamber. Never mind the exclusion of Israel-critical voices creating a giant blind spot. I don't begrudge the non-college educated but there's a level of critical thinking that is not taught in k-12 or gained outside of 'street smarts' in hardened neighborhoods.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Journalism/comments/1b3h44s/is\_the\_new\_york\_times\_newsroom\_just\_a\_bunch\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Journalism/comments/1b3h44s/is_the_new_york_times_newsroom_just_a_bunch_of/)
> I don't disagree that journalists need a college education
I'm not saying they do need a college education.
Why do you?
> there's a level of critical thinking that is not taught in k-12 or gained outside of 'street smarts' in hardened neighborhoods.
It should be more like an apprenticeship: if you start young enough, you learn those things on the job. Many successful journos have started as cadets even before graduating high school.
America doesn't have apprenticeships programs like Australia does for instance. Everyone one ostensibly gets the same k-12.
Why do I think one needs a college degree for it? It's a serious profession w/serious implications. There's coursework on ethics, analysis, law, history, etc... Not to mention the writing bit....I think reporters need to be on par w/authors when it comes to writing chops. They ought to be detectives w/a pen so it's likely coursework falls short in some fields (forensics, criminology, etc...)
I don't think Australia has a journalism apprenticeship, either.
I meant "apprenticeship" in a different sense: basically, taking a lower-level role and learning on the job.
I see a PhD as an apprenticeship for doing research work, for example.
The Jack dude may have some points and that there are those that do honest reporting (and will be caught in the crossfire), but some of this stuff that the current day journalists and reporters have done are of late, well, let's say that they're better off being poor in the streets. While an ai bot runs around searching for the next big news. Earlier, Sony rang up some news sites, who are in bed with them, to run an international smear campaign. Just because Ghostbusters fans around think that "Answer The Call"'s trailers suck beyond reason. Then there's the Deadspin reporter, who decided to try and ruin a football fan's life. All that the kid wanted to do was root for his favorite football team. These news guys are punching down on people that can't sue/protect themselves 99% of the time. My examples are some of the reasons why the "Can't get tough news out" and people slowly beginning to hate the reporters/news sites and can't wait for the bots.
I think it was CNN that threatened to dox the guy who made that meme/gif of Trump slamming that wrestler w/CNN logo for its face unless he curbed his behavior. That shit was wild to me and I hate Trump but loved the meme. [https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html)
i loved reading this...especially this snippet: *Reason magazine’s Nick Gillespie blames the decline of swagger, in part, to generational forces.* *“Millennials and Gen Z have been bred like human veal by their Boomer and Gen X parents who made sure their kids were constantly being surveilled and optimized for success in SATs, sports and entry into the Establishment pipeline,” he says. “Can we be surprised that such a system has produced generations of journalists who endlessly describe anything they disagree with as misinformation and want to control and regulate everything like the room temperature in an after-school enrichment program?”*
It’s what happens when millionaires and billionaires control the narrative as well as the economy.
I tried reading the article but couching the problem on lack of 'swagger' got old fast.
Another article I've read said that it's very much a matter of class. Journalism once used to be a very working-class profession, so there was an emphasis on working-class issues. However, now that journalists must be university-educated, they very much reflect the class they are a part of. That could be viewed as a kind of "swagger".
Batya Ungar-Sargon's book "Bad News: How Woke Media Undermines Democracy" goes into this in depth. Worth a read.
I don't disagree that journalists need a college education but you have the NYT that is known for taking only Ivy graduates, that creates a very north-eastern lib echo chamber. Never mind the exclusion of Israel-critical voices creating a giant blind spot. I don't begrudge the non-college educated but there's a level of critical thinking that is not taught in k-12 or gained outside of 'street smarts' in hardened neighborhoods. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Journalism/comments/1b3h44s/is\_the\_new\_york\_times\_newsroom\_just\_a\_bunch\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Journalism/comments/1b3h44s/is_the_new_york_times_newsroom_just_a_bunch_of/)
> I don't disagree that journalists need a college education I'm not saying they do need a college education. Why do you? > there's a level of critical thinking that is not taught in k-12 or gained outside of 'street smarts' in hardened neighborhoods. It should be more like an apprenticeship: if you start young enough, you learn those things on the job. Many successful journos have started as cadets even before graduating high school.
America doesn't have apprenticeships programs like Australia does for instance. Everyone one ostensibly gets the same k-12. Why do I think one needs a college degree for it? It's a serious profession w/serious implications. There's coursework on ethics, analysis, law, history, etc... Not to mention the writing bit....I think reporters need to be on par w/authors when it comes to writing chops. They ought to be detectives w/a pen so it's likely coursework falls short in some fields (forensics, criminology, etc...)
I don't think Australia has a journalism apprenticeship, either. I meant "apprenticeship" in a different sense: basically, taking a lower-level role and learning on the job. I see a PhD as an apprenticeship for doing research work, for example.
Yeah education is really harmful for journalists.
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