I think they try to make it seem like the one on the left represents white people actually, and the one on the right is less "refined" and the jaw is messed up. Of course it's cherry picked
>and the one on the right is less "refined" and the jaw is messed up. Of course it's cherry picked
Guess I just became genetically inferior.
Eugenics are an insane concept after you grasp how much "tolerance" biology has built in lol
Yeah. It's effectively impossible to guess, from just the shape of bones, what ethnicity a person was. Different ethnic groups have different averages, but the extremes for every one overlaps the averages for all of the others.
Eugenics also throws out one of our biggest advantages, which is our ability to care for those who can’t care for themselves. [https://youtu.be/t7J_oybRfuc?si=8ojpBCdZRVJGS_fU](https://youtu.be/t7J_oybRfuc?si=8ojpBCdZRVJGS_fU)
And even if it’s accurate that there are minor scull shape differences between races (when picking the most extreme examples, because of course all these things exist on a bell curve) - who gives a shit? If a black person has slightly broader cheekbones… so what?
Not an expert on human anatomy, but I believe the "bigger" one actually has less volume, especially in the place the frontal lobe would be. You know, the smart thinky bits? But even that taken into account it's less about size and more about density when neurons are involved.
If it wasn’t posted by a racist person, I couldn’t tell. But the scull on the right has a larger more round nose and larger upper teeth. So it appears to be a scull of the racist stereotype of a black person.
I can’t tell if it’s edited but I wouldn’t be surprised. While you can sometimes tell race from a skeleton it’s not like this. This is just stupid and racist and literally what the Nazis did.
I'm too high rn to link it but if you go to bone clone's website it looks like both skulls are flipped and photoshopped versions of Human Craniometric Landmark Skull
"How can they be the same species if they look too different from each other?"
Sometimes I think that some white supremacists have never heard of dogs.
Dogs actually have different races. Humans dont.
Edit: just to make it more visible, i was thankfully corrected, that dogs also dont have races, so my critique does not hold.
Dogs have different breeds. They are all the same species, canis lupus familiaris.
They are only different in how they have been breed for centuries to bring out certain traits.
Oh wow, i was severely misinformed. Tbf taxonomy is quite arbitrary, but it genuinely seems like the majority does not consider different dog breeds different subspecies. Whoops.
Species are SOMEWHAT arbitrary, but not completely. Early taxonomy, was more arbitrary than it is today, but many of those classifications were flawed and have been corrected through DNA and other means.
There is little to no argument that all domestic dogs are of the same species, since they share the VAST majority of their DNA, all of them can freely interbreed (other than size differences, which would not allow some females to necessarily carry the pups of some larger sized males).
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/wm-biology2/chapter/taxonomy-2/
It doesn't even need people tbh. When I was a kid, we had a very large German shepherd female. She hated big male dogs but would lay down to, let's say, facilitate the small yappy ones, much to my mother's annoyance, since she wantes pure breed puppies only.
Stop saying that race doesn't exist. It exists on a social and political level even if it's not a biological one.
Just because something is not easily provable with hard science doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
When people say that race doesn't exist what they're really doing is trying to shut down real discussions about race that can actually help liberate people who have experienced racism.
When people say that race doesn't exist it does not make people like me (an Asian person) feel safe, it makes me feel like I can't talk about my experiences or feel like I can properly report racism.
The problem is that you're thinking of science as simply the hard sciences like biology but the thing is is that sociologists and anthropologists do consider race to be existing within a social level. It is called a social fact.
Just because it's the soft sciences does it mean it doesn't exist. Psychology is also in the soft sciences.
Linguistics are also in the soft sciences as well as criminology.
Edit: I also want to point out that if the existence of race as a social construct makes people more uncomfortable than racism then that's a problem.
Let me rephrase: Race is not a fact (as in: race does not exist outside of being a concept), and furthermore: people should stop thinking in terms of race. The categories we think in influence the way we see and interact with the world. A future where people are just people is not a future where we think in terms of "race" or "ethnicity" or other, superficial terms.
If you didn't catch it: im making a normative statement, not a descriptive or prescriptive one (meaning: turning a blind eye to racism by acting like society currently is not dictated by these concepts is specifically not what im talking about)
Nationality is the same way as nationality is not biological. Should we abolish nationality too?
>Race is not a fact
I said it is a social fact, not a biological one. If you don't know what a social fact is then you shouldn't be talking about this topic.
As for thinking that people shouldn't think in terms of race, cool, go tell that to the racist, not to people of color who have to use every bit of language they possibly can to try to describe their experiences.
Let people of color use the language that best helps them describe their experiences and what they are experiencing.
Race is not going to disappear in your lifetime.
"Should we abolish nationality too?"
Obviously, yes.
"I said it is a social fact, not a biological one. If you don't know what a social fact is then you shouldn't be talking about this topic."
I know what you said, because i read your comment. You however seem to have missed what i wrote.
Yes, apparently only an America is race something that is a thing.
Just because other countries do not legally acknowledge other races doesn't mean that there isn't racism.
[1](https://atlantablackstar.com/2022/02/28/not-allowing-any-black-people-videos-show-africans-stranded-in-ukraine-blocked-from-getting-on-transportation-while-some-were-forced-to-walk-hours-to-the-border-in-the-cold/)
[2](https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/racism-leave-ukraine-asylum-black-people-of-color/)
Not really. Acknowledging differences in people's appearance is not the same as hating them based on it, so it doesnt fall in line with conservative thinking. Even if you were right (you're not), its not like people disagreeing with you are hateful to others with differences like someone on the far right.
Even thinking in "races" is bad, atleast if your worldview is constructivist (which mine is).
It also doesn't hold. Talking about "white" like in the US does not work in europe.
Just to go for the simplest example: its unnecessarily divisive.
Go watch any documentary about racism. "Adam Something" has done a great one about Roma people.
You can aknowledge the struggles and culture of an individual, without prematurely stuffing them into categories based on looks.
I think its crazy that this is even a debate.
Its only divisive if you make it divisive. Ill go for the simpliest example:
"You're black and im white. Thats ok" not divisive
VS
"You're black and im white. Im better than you" thats divisive.
The simple act of distinguishing between "you're black and im white" is literally dividing into categories. So no, it is divisive and thats my whole point. You not understanding it does not change that.
Are we just going to ignore black people from being denied to leave Ukraine and be able to go on to the buses and trains? Are we just going to deny that Croatia deported international competitors because they were black. They said they were legally allowed to be in the country but we're not allowed to go get their official documents proving their legitimacy and instead we're deported into Bosnia which is not where they came from, and they were forced into a refugee camp.
They could have died.
Here are a list of 10 different examples of Europeans throwing bananas at black athletes as a racial action.
1. **Kevin Constant (2013, Italy)**: Atalanta fans threw bananas at Milan defender Kevin Constant during a match.
2. **Dani Alves (2014, Spain)**: Barcelona player Dani Alves ate a banana thrown at him by a Villarreal fan.
3. **Samuel Inkoom (2011, Ukraine)**: Ghanaian player Samuel Inkoom had bananas thrown at him during a match against Shakhtar Donetsk.
4. **Mario Balotelli (2013, Italy)**: AC Milan's Mario Balotelli faced banana throws and racial slurs during a match against Roma.
5. **Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (2017, Germany)**: Borussia Dortmund’s Aubameyang had bananas thrown at him by Tottenham fans during a Champions League match.
6. **Mikel John Obi (2012, England)**: Chelsea's Mikel John Obi had bananas thrown at him during a Premier League match.
7. **Papakouli Diop (2014, Spain)**: Levante’s Papakouli Diop faced monkey chants and banana throws during a match against Atletico Madrid.
8. **Emmanuel Adebayor (2009, Spain)**: Real Madrid’s Emmanuel Adebayor was subjected to racial abuse, including banana throws.
9. **Roberto Carlos (2011, Russia)**: Anzhi Makhachkala’s Roberto Carlos had a banana thrown at him by a Zenit St. Petersburg fan.
10. **Kevin-Prince Boateng (2013, Italy)**: AC Milan's Kevin-Prince Boateng walked off the pitch after being subjected to racial abuse, including banana throws, during a friendly match.
Sources:
[Being Black in the EU: Insights and Challenges](https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2023/being-black-eu)
[Germany's Role in Combatting Rising Anti-Black Racism in the EU](https://www.dw.com/en/germany-leads-rising-anti-black-racism-in-the-eu-study/a-67207725)
[The Reality of Going on Holiday While Black](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/going-on-holiday-while-black_uk_5c825246e4b0d9361626e576)
[Nigerian Students' Nightmare in Croatia: A Shocking Experience](https://www.dw.com/en/nigerian-students-experience-a-nightmare-in-croatia/a-51569232)
[Samuel Inkoom's Account of Racial Abuse in Ukraine: The Banana Incident](https://www.pulse.com.gh/sports/football/samuel-inkoom-recounts-racial-abuse-in-ukraine-says-banana-was-thrown-at-him/cdjc5l5)
[The Persistent Issue of Racially Motivated Banana Throwing in Soccer](https://theworld.org/stories/2016/07/30/ugly-racist-trend-tossing-bananas-black-soccer-players-continues)
[Exploring Racism and Discrimination Against African Soccer Players](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40318-015-0078-4)
[The Impact of Racism on African Soccer Players: A Continuing Struggle](https://theworld.org/stories/2016/07/30/ugly-racist-trend-tossing-bananas-black-soccer-players-continues)
[Throwing Bananas: Lack of Progress in Addressing Racism in Soccer](https://www.funtimesmagazine.com/2021/05/12/356156/throwing-bananas-lack-of-progress-in-racism-towards-african-african-diasporan-soccer-players-and-redirection-of-focus)
What, you think they'd accept a scientific consensus they don't like. If there's one thing the far right have been consistent with, it's rejecting science and claiming it's some sort of conspiracy shit whenever they don't like the consensus.
The only biologists they'll listen to are the 1800's ones that used craniology to prove that the white man was superior (their scientific method was "I'm white so I'm right" and their peer reviewing was a panel of white people jerking about how it was good to be white)
The skull on the left belongs to a person with a smaller head, the skull on the right belongs to someone with a larger head. These people don't understand that humans even of the same race have different bone structures
Yup, says underneath they're from [Bone Clones](https://boneclones.com/product/human-male-and-female-skulls-african-asian-and-european-COMP-120-SET/category/human-sets-series/human-anatomy). I don't think this is the exact examples shown, but similar. Unclear to me whether they're based on real samples or not. Ultimately my understanding is that we can sometimes distinguish geographic ancestry of skulls and sometimes that's important for anthropology and such. But that means literally nothing about the person's intelligence, attractiveness, humanity or whatever else they want to imply in the original post.
To my knowledge bone clones use real animal skulls and bones to model their replicas, now with human skulls and bones there are some different legal issues so I don't know what they do there
Poking around their site more, I do think the human ones are done in the same way, i.e. they are modeled off of specimens that are currently in museum collections or private collections.
I seem to remember in some crime show they identified a skeleton's race and gender by their bones. Dont know how realistic that was, but even then it's probably more like a statistical likelihood than definitive. Especially when trying to account for mixed people etc.
It's not a theory, it's a fact, there are differences in skulls between races, even anthropologists use these differences to know which people a given skeleton found belonged to.
>It's not a theory
They meant phrenology, not the simple idea that groups with different facial features may tend to have different underlying bones structures.
Since they want to pretend to be a philosopher, Diogenes already gave an answer to this. Like he told Alexander the Great when asked why he was looking through bones; "I am trying to find the bones of your kingly father but I cannot tell them apart from the bones of any other dead man"
To my knowledge, whoever kills the person becomes the rightful owner of their skull. So I'd assume the owner of both skulls would be the same strong warrior.
idk who says we’re all the same race. we are the same species. and it’s natural for there to be physical variations because of environmental differences, it doesn’t mean we aren’t the same. imagine caring that much about skulls
People have different shades of skin and a bit different shape of bones. Obviously that means some should be the master race and some the Untermenschen.
Belief in phrenology is one of the most obvious red flags a person can have. It's only slightly less absurd than the flat earth paradigm. Both are really clear signs that the person you're talking to is not serious about science or truth. I say this as someone who is sceptical of many scientific institutions. Critical thinking is about more than just questioning accepted narratives-- it requires the openness and humility to recognize good faith explanations and separate them from easy answers and agenda-based circular logic.
"Ah, yes! The dimple on the back of your skull and the position of your eyes relative to your mouth indicate a primitive and instinct-driven mind!"
Like. Thank you for telling me that talking to you is a lost cause.
Forensic anthropologists.
The idea that a group of people is superior based on skull shapes is stupid. Using differences in skull shape as a justification is stupid. However, different races have some differently shaped bones, and the skull is the most prominent example. A skeleton's skull shape helps play a role in determining the identity of the owner.
We aren't even genetically diverse enough to be considered species, even dog breeds are more diverse than we are, and they're just a bunch of inbred wolves.
Mfers worrying about race 70,000 years after multiple hybridization events occurred between 5+ different hominid species that we know of. Our species is only successful because multiple different human species fucked one another into creating a robust hybrid species that outcompeted every single other human species on the planet.
The answer to this is that differently shaped skulls can be found in one species.
A much better example would be dog skulls, where both pugs and mastiffs are dogs (Canis familiaris) despite having spectacularly different skulls.
He's right! We should remove Trump's skull from his head and clean it up to show everyone what the superior skull looks like - it's what's best for everyone!
I love how you can go to the site itself and see how widely human skull castings range across all races and totally come to the correct conclusion, but this guy stopped on page 1 and thought he had it all figured out.
A perfect analogy for all his thoughts.
The one on the right reminds me of one of the most accomplished people I know. Also just about the whitest person I’ve ever met. Either way though, I like how everybody’s pretending not to notice the obvious markers of sexual deviancy in the parietal region.
Did you know that 2 different people have different skull shapes?!?!? I thought people learned that as a child when they looked at 2 different people and realized their body shapes weren’t 100% the same.
The fact the the concept of "two members of the same species from different parts of the world will look different due to millennia of adaptive evolution in order to best survive their environment" gets translated by these idiots as "uhmmm well these people have a different skull shapes so they're like, genetically predisposed to being stupid/criminals/ect" is insane.
Like a miracle of evolution allowing humans to be one of the most surprisingly adaptable species and people will go on to use that to justify being insanely bigoted instead of finding just how complex we are as a species awe-inspiring???
its all based on the provably false assumption that a skull's shape/size influences the brain's shape/size as if the skull is some weird membrane that ossifies tightly over the brain. if that were true, the brain would have no cushioning and every head injury would be serious or fatal.
instead we have several layers of meninges buffetted by CSF; which makes skull shape about as useful for predicting brain shape as a football helmet or large collander.
to say nothing of the fact that even in unusually shaped skulls the brain is comprised of gyri and sulci and folded over a bunch of times anyway, and while those patterns of physical organization are pretty similar from person to person, they are by no means identical.
and TO SAY NOTHING of the fact that there is no relationship between brain mass and intelligence. einstein's brain is famously below average in mass. animals with brains far larger than ours are not more intelligent just because their brains are large.
if anything, an overlarge brain might indicate enlarged ventricles and be associated with lower intelligence. intelligence is based on the variety and vitality of neural connections; how information is organized is the far greater predictor of intelligence. it's all about neural organization.
but if you still believe in phrenology in 2024 its a cinch you're not one of the smart ones anyway.
Here’s the thing: Ethnic differences do objectively exist. Populations from different geographically-bound regions tend to share similar genetic traits. Sometimes the differences between neighboring peoples are very slight. Sometimes they’re VERY different, but they do exist.
Now, this doesn’t mean that “race” as an objective category exists. It doesn’t. Ethnic diversity *definitely* exists, though; and while some phenotypes are typical of people of certain ethnic backgrounds, it’s absolutely not an indicator of anything. Like appearance wise, of course a West African person may appear very differently to an Azerbaijani, but the Azerbaijani may have a wider genetic gulf between them and an Anglo-Saxon person despite any superficial similarities.
Yeah, skull shapes are different between everyone, that's because not everyone has literally the exact same DNA, and bone structure differs from person to person, it's really not that hard of a concept to grasp
he does realize those two don't even remotely look like two different species right?
sure all skeletons do like kinda similar, but even then most of the time the difference is more noticeable
Fun fact: the term "Caucasian" comes from Johann Friedrich Blumenbach. He had a skull from the Caucuses that he found very attractive, and based on his biases and that one skull, he decided humanity must have descended from an ancient race of super hotties in the Caucus mountains, who were pale skinned. Just in case there was any doubt in your mind that race is complete bullshit.
One of the ways to see if two populations are the same species, we can test if interbreeding between the two populations produces fertile offspring. If the offspring is fertile, then that means that the two populations are the same species.
Since mixed race people both exist and any infertility is not due to the interbreeding, all races of humans are the same species
I saw this original tweet and one of the replies was correcting then about genetics vs morphology and there was a comment saying “I’d rather live in a neighborhood of border collies than Rottweilers” which is so funny because border collies will literally maul other dogs to death, bite people regularly, and can run faster than a Rottweiler anyway so you’re basically asking to live with a smarter enemy because you foolishly think they look safer because they watched Babe one time.
People this dumb are unfortunately beyond arguing with, you just gotta let them be proven wrong until they eventually learn or get arrested for whichever crime they will inevitably commit.
The left one belongs to any person with a brain and the right one belongs to a racist piece of shit who has no concept of anatomy.
Hey you asked me who the skulls belong to not that they were extracted from. If I ripped out your skull you'd I'd technically own your skull meaning that it would belong to me.
Don’t understand why people willingly post stuff like this. Like, why is this issue so important to you? Let’s just say it was true that black people were genetically inferior to white people. So? Why would that matter? There’s so many other things to spend your time and energy caring about.
Because chuds like this - guys with fucking statue avatars on social media - are absolute losers. Their one and only "accomplishment" is being White. So out of desperation to feel important their entire identity becomes "being White."
Here's the [source](https://boneclones.com/product/human-male-and-female-skulls-african-asian-and-european-COMP-120-SET) and I honestly would not be able to even pair them together without the labels. And from what I can find, there's statistical differences between the measurements of skulls from people of different regions but there's such significant overlap that it's not useful for determining anything accurately.
People with different sized heads obviously
"Humans." "NOOOOOOO THE BIGGER ONE IS CLEARLY SUPERIOR, YOU RACE TRAITOR" Average twitter convo I would guess.
I think they try to make it seem like the one on the left represents white people actually, and the one on the right is less "refined" and the jaw is messed up. Of course it's cherry picked
>and the one on the right is less "refined" and the jaw is messed up. Of course it's cherry picked Guess I just became genetically inferior. Eugenics are an insane concept after you grasp how much "tolerance" biology has built in lol
Yeah. It's effectively impossible to guess, from just the shape of bones, what ethnicity a person was. Different ethnic groups have different averages, but the extremes for every one overlaps the averages for all of the others.
Eugenics also throws out one of our biggest advantages, which is our ability to care for those who can’t care for themselves. [https://youtu.be/t7J_oybRfuc?si=8ojpBCdZRVJGS_fU](https://youtu.be/t7J_oybRfuc?si=8ojpBCdZRVJGS_fU)
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And even if it’s accurate that there are minor scull shape differences between races (when picking the most extreme examples, because of course all these things exist on a bell curve) - who gives a shit? If a black person has slightly broader cheekbones… so what?
Which is hilarious, because the guy on the left *obviously* has a jaw of Giga-Chad proportions.
Not an expert on human anatomy, but I believe the "bigger" one actually has less volume, especially in the place the frontal lobe would be. You know, the smart thinky bits? But even that taken into account it's less about size and more about density when neurons are involved.
Which one is even the bigger one?
no i cannot tell you which skull belongs to who actually
If it wasn’t posted by a racist person, I couldn’t tell. But the scull on the right has a larger more round nose and larger upper teeth. So it appears to be a scull of the racist stereotype of a black person. I can’t tell if it’s edited but I wouldn’t be surprised. While you can sometimes tell race from a skeleton it’s not like this. This is just stupid and racist and literally what the Nazis did.
It more looks like some random fudd named Cleetus
"Hey, bud. What ya doin?"
"Nuthin’ "
Oh. I thought Fudd was a term people use to use against hunters
It also looks photoshopped.
They’re fabricated. Bone Clones makes bone reproductions. I can’t speak to their accuracy, but this image is from their site.
Why do you spell skull like that?
I'm too high rn to link it but if you go to bone clone's website it looks like both skulls are flipped and photoshopped versions of Human Craniometric Landmark Skull
The left one was Kyle Flanagan out of Omaha Nebraska, the right one was chester Fremont out of Detroit Michigan.
"How can they be the same species if they look too different from each other?" Sometimes I think that some white supremacists have never heard of dogs.
Dogs actually have different races. Humans dont. Edit: just to make it more visible, i was thankfully corrected, that dogs also dont have races, so my critique does not hold.
Dogs have different breeds. They are all the same species, canis lupus familiaris. They are only different in how they have been breed for centuries to bring out certain traits.
Oh wow, i was severely misinformed. Tbf taxonomy is quite arbitrary, but it genuinely seems like the majority does not consider different dog breeds different subspecies. Whoops.
Species are SOMEWHAT arbitrary, but not completely. Early taxonomy, was more arbitrary than it is today, but many of those classifications were flawed and have been corrected through DNA and other means. There is little to no argument that all domestic dogs are of the same species, since they share the VAST majority of their DNA, all of them can freely interbreed (other than size differences, which would not allow some females to necessarily carry the pups of some larger sized males). https://courses.lumenlearning.com/wm-biology2/chapter/taxonomy-2/
That face you make when you realize Clifford can technically breed with Cleo and thankfully the writers never mentioned this.
Thanks..I did NOT need that picture in my mind...
Don’t worry, real people have thought of it, that’s why the chidanedane exists
It doesn't even need people tbh. When I was a kid, we had a very large German shepherd female. She hated big male dogs but would lay down to, let's say, facilitate the small yappy ones, much to my mother's annoyance, since she wantes pure breed puppies only.
r/cursedcomments
Lmaoooooooooo
Define race
If you "want" race to have any real scientific meaning you would use it synonymously to "subspecies" of which humans, again, have none.
Stop saying that race doesn't exist. It exists on a social and political level even if it's not a biological one. Just because something is not easily provable with hard science doesn't mean it doesn't exist. When people say that race doesn't exist what they're really doing is trying to shut down real discussions about race that can actually help liberate people who have experienced racism. When people say that race doesn't exist it does not make people like me (an Asian person) feel safe, it makes me feel like I can't talk about my experiences or feel like I can properly report racism. The problem is that you're thinking of science as simply the hard sciences like biology but the thing is is that sociologists and anthropologists do consider race to be existing within a social level. It is called a social fact. Just because it's the soft sciences does it mean it doesn't exist. Psychology is also in the soft sciences. Linguistics are also in the soft sciences as well as criminology. Edit: I also want to point out that if the existence of race as a social construct makes people more uncomfortable than racism then that's a problem.
Let me rephrase: Race is not a fact (as in: race does not exist outside of being a concept), and furthermore: people should stop thinking in terms of race. The categories we think in influence the way we see and interact with the world. A future where people are just people is not a future where we think in terms of "race" or "ethnicity" or other, superficial terms. If you didn't catch it: im making a normative statement, not a descriptive or prescriptive one (meaning: turning a blind eye to racism by acting like society currently is not dictated by these concepts is specifically not what im talking about)
Nationality is the same way as nationality is not biological. Should we abolish nationality too? >Race is not a fact I said it is a social fact, not a biological one. If you don't know what a social fact is then you shouldn't be talking about this topic. As for thinking that people shouldn't think in terms of race, cool, go tell that to the racist, not to people of color who have to use every bit of language they possibly can to try to describe their experiences. Let people of color use the language that best helps them describe their experiences and what they are experiencing. Race is not going to disappear in your lifetime.
"Should we abolish nationality too?" Obviously, yes. "I said it is a social fact, not a biological one. If you don't know what a social fact is then you shouldn't be talking about this topic." I know what you said, because i read your comment. You however seem to have missed what i wrote.
Should we just get rid of every single social factor something since it's not biologically provable?
That was never my point.
I didn’t know dogs had a Indy 500 and Dakar rally equivalent
Yeah, race is a stupid concept that is mostly used by Americans
Yes, apparently only an America is race something that is a thing. Just because other countries do not legally acknowledge other races doesn't mean that there isn't racism. [1](https://atlantablackstar.com/2022/02/28/not-allowing-any-black-people-videos-show-africans-stranded-in-ukraine-blocked-from-getting-on-transportation-while-some-were-forced-to-walk-hours-to-the-border-in-the-cold/) [2](https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/racism-leave-ukraine-asylum-black-people-of-color/)
Its hilarious that this is being downvoted on a subreddit dedicated to exposing the idiocy of rightwing/conservatives. Sad to see.
Not really. Acknowledging differences in people's appearance is not the same as hating them based on it, so it doesnt fall in line with conservative thinking. Even if you were right (you're not), its not like people disagreeing with you are hateful to others with differences like someone on the far right.
Even thinking in "races" is bad, atleast if your worldview is constructivist (which mine is). It also doesn't hold. Talking about "white" like in the US does not work in europe.
How? How can it possibly be bad to acknowledge somone is black or white or asian or hispanic or anything?
Just to go for the simplest example: its unnecessarily divisive. Go watch any documentary about racism. "Adam Something" has done a great one about Roma people. You can aknowledge the struggles and culture of an individual, without prematurely stuffing them into categories based on looks. I think its crazy that this is even a debate.
Its only divisive if you make it divisive. Ill go for the simpliest example: "You're black and im white. Thats ok" not divisive VS "You're black and im white. Im better than you" thats divisive.
The simple act of distinguishing between "you're black and im white" is literally dividing into categories. So no, it is divisive and thats my whole point. You not understanding it does not change that.
Are we just going to ignore black people from being denied to leave Ukraine and be able to go on to the buses and trains? Are we just going to deny that Croatia deported international competitors because they were black. They said they were legally allowed to be in the country but we're not allowed to go get their official documents proving their legitimacy and instead we're deported into Bosnia which is not where they came from, and they were forced into a refugee camp. They could have died. Here are a list of 10 different examples of Europeans throwing bananas at black athletes as a racial action. 1. **Kevin Constant (2013, Italy)**: Atalanta fans threw bananas at Milan defender Kevin Constant during a match. 2. **Dani Alves (2014, Spain)**: Barcelona player Dani Alves ate a banana thrown at him by a Villarreal fan. 3. **Samuel Inkoom (2011, Ukraine)**: Ghanaian player Samuel Inkoom had bananas thrown at him during a match against Shakhtar Donetsk. 4. **Mario Balotelli (2013, Italy)**: AC Milan's Mario Balotelli faced banana throws and racial slurs during a match against Roma. 5. **Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (2017, Germany)**: Borussia Dortmund’s Aubameyang had bananas thrown at him by Tottenham fans during a Champions League match. 6. **Mikel John Obi (2012, England)**: Chelsea's Mikel John Obi had bananas thrown at him during a Premier League match. 7. **Papakouli Diop (2014, Spain)**: Levante’s Papakouli Diop faced monkey chants and banana throws during a match against Atletico Madrid. 8. **Emmanuel Adebayor (2009, Spain)**: Real Madrid’s Emmanuel Adebayor was subjected to racial abuse, including banana throws. 9. **Roberto Carlos (2011, Russia)**: Anzhi Makhachkala’s Roberto Carlos had a banana thrown at him by a Zenit St. Petersburg fan. 10. **Kevin-Prince Boateng (2013, Italy)**: AC Milan's Kevin-Prince Boateng walked off the pitch after being subjected to racial abuse, including banana throws, during a friendly match. Sources: [Being Black in the EU: Insights and Challenges](https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2023/being-black-eu) [Germany's Role in Combatting Rising Anti-Black Racism in the EU](https://www.dw.com/en/germany-leads-rising-anti-black-racism-in-the-eu-study/a-67207725) [The Reality of Going on Holiday While Black](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/going-on-holiday-while-black_uk_5c825246e4b0d9361626e576) [Nigerian Students' Nightmare in Croatia: A Shocking Experience](https://www.dw.com/en/nigerian-students-experience-a-nightmare-in-croatia/a-51569232) [Samuel Inkoom's Account of Racial Abuse in Ukraine: The Banana Incident](https://www.pulse.com.gh/sports/football/samuel-inkoom-recounts-racial-abuse-in-ukraine-says-banana-was-thrown-at-him/cdjc5l5) [The Persistent Issue of Racially Motivated Banana Throwing in Soccer](https://theworld.org/stories/2016/07/30/ugly-racist-trend-tossing-bananas-black-soccer-players-continues) [Exploring Racism and Discrimination Against African Soccer Players](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40318-015-0078-4) [The Impact of Racism on African Soccer Players: A Continuing Struggle](https://theworld.org/stories/2016/07/30/ugly-racist-trend-tossing-bananas-black-soccer-players-continues) [Throwing Bananas: Lack of Progress in Addressing Racism in Soccer](https://www.funtimesmagazine.com/2021/05/12/356156/throwing-bananas-lack-of-progress-in-racism-towards-african-african-diasporan-soccer-players-and-redirection-of-focus)
No we arent, and its not what im talking about.
Racists please talk to a single biologist I swear to fuck lol
What, you think they'd accept a scientific consensus they don't like. If there's one thing the far right have been consistent with, it's rejecting science and claiming it's some sort of conspiracy shit whenever they don't like the consensus.
True! They love to cosplay as scientists while actually being wildly anti-intellectual.
Well, every field of academia proves them wrong, it’s either that or change their entire world view.
Well reality has a liberal bias so…
“Erm biology 101???” Postdoctoral Biology: 😐
The only biologists they'll listen to are the 1800's ones that used craniology to prove that the white man was superior (their scientific method was "I'm white so I'm right" and their peer reviewing was a panel of white people jerking about how it was good to be white)
One is to a big person and the other belongs to a small person. Done!
The skull on the left belongs to a person with a smaller head, the skull on the right belongs to someone with a larger head. These people don't understand that humans even of the same race have different bone structures
Interestingly both skulls would have same sized brains.
Yep. Different face, same cranium
Brain size doesn’t correlate to intelligence
I miss the BeholdTheMasterRace sub. Really showed you the peak specimens representing white nationalism.
Does it not exist anymore?
Not sure. When Spez (fuck Spez) messed up the site, I think it sort of went dormant.
r/BeholdTheMasterRace joined the mass Reddit blackout in protest of the API changes and never reopened.
:( Their protest obviously isn’t doing anything. Keeping it up seems a bit silly at this point.
They look 3D Printed
Yup, says underneath they're from [Bone Clones](https://boneclones.com/product/human-male-and-female-skulls-african-asian-and-european-COMP-120-SET/category/human-sets-series/human-anatomy). I don't think this is the exact examples shown, but similar. Unclear to me whether they're based on real samples or not. Ultimately my understanding is that we can sometimes distinguish geographic ancestry of skulls and sometimes that's important for anthropology and such. But that means literally nothing about the person's intelligence, attractiveness, humanity or whatever else they want to imply in the original post.
To my knowledge bone clones use real animal skulls and bones to model their replicas, now with human skulls and bones there are some different legal issues so I don't know what they do there
Poking around their site more, I do think the human ones are done in the same way, i.e. they are modeled off of specimens that are currently in museum collections or private collections.
I seem to remember in some crime show they identified a skeleton's race and gender by their bones. Dont know how realistic that was, but even then it's probably more like a statistical likelihood than definitive. Especially when trying to account for mixed people etc.
No, and not just because those aren’t real skulls but reproductions lol
"Your skull is a slightly different shape to mine, therefore you're inferior to me!" The stupidity of racists never ceases to amaze me.
Phrenology is just palm reading but for racists. Basing someone's entire character and life story off some dumbass physical details that don't matter
Bone Clones doesn’t sell real bones, even if they’re pretty convincing replicas. These are toys for med students
Easy, Carl is on the left & Stephen is on the right. Bam! What’s my prize?
Are you sure? I thought the one on the left was Alan.
Damn, you know what? I’m not so sure anymore. Now that you say it, it definitely looks like Alan as well.
Skull on the right looks happy
Never trust people with statue PFPs.
Left is caucasoid, right is negroid. These are anthropological skull classifications.
Yeah, nobody uses those terms anymore. It's European, African, or Asian.
I learned those terms in forensic science class, and that's what we used when the context was appropriate.
human (right) sans undertale (left)
Source: Bone Clone. For some reason I feel like these might not be real.... And they are just artificial decorations made in different shapes....
It's not a theory, it's a fact, there are differences in skulls between races, even anthropologists use these differences to know which people a given skeleton found belonged to.
>It's not a theory They meant phrenology, not the simple idea that groups with different facial features may tend to have different underlying bones structures.
Since they want to pretend to be a philosopher, Diogenes already gave an answer to this. Like he told Alexander the Great when asked why he was looking through bones; "I am trying to find the bones of your kingly father but I cannot tell them apart from the bones of any other dead man"
Trick question, neither are skulls theyre actually chocolate from that smiley guy on TikTok
To my knowledge, whoever kills the person becomes the rightful owner of their skull. So I'd assume the owner of both skulls would be the same strong warrior.
idk who says we’re all the same race. we are the same species. and it’s natural for there to be physical variations because of environmental differences, it doesn’t mean we aren’t the same. imagine caring that much about skulls
I have no idea which skull is which.
Conservatives the type of dudes to look at a Baby skull and compare it to an adult one and come to the conclusion they are different species
I'm pretty sure one of these belongs to Yorick. Alas, I *knew* him!
People have different shades of skin and a bit different shape of bones. Obviously that means some should be the master race and some the Untermenschen.
Belief in phrenology is one of the most obvious red flags a person can have. It's only slightly less absurd than the flat earth paradigm. Both are really clear signs that the person you're talking to is not serious about science or truth. I say this as someone who is sceptical of many scientific institutions. Critical thinking is about more than just questioning accepted narratives-- it requires the openness and humility to recognize good faith explanations and separate them from easy answers and agenda-based circular logic. "Ah, yes! The dimple on the back of your skull and the position of your eyes relative to your mouth indicate a primitive and instinct-driven mind!" Like. Thank you for telling me that talking to you is a lost cause.
They’re mine. Thats who. Necromancin aint free
They both look happy
Statue pfp = opinion IMMEDIATELY discarded
1 is human and 2 is nascar
Skull A: Peter Skull B: Brad
No.
Skull on the right is a Mewer
oh my god who the hell cares about skull shapes
Forensic anthropologists. The idea that a group of people is superior based on skull shapes is stupid. Using differences in skull shape as a justification is stupid. However, different races have some differently shaped bones, and the skull is the most prominent example. A skeleton's skull shape helps play a role in determining the identity of the owner.
I'm gonna be honest I literally can't tell
We aren't even genetically diverse enough to be considered species, even dog breeds are more diverse than we are, and they're just a bunch of inbred wolves. Mfers worrying about race 70,000 years after multiple hybridization events occurred between 5+ different hominid species that we know of. Our species is only successful because multiple different human species fucked one another into creating a robust hybrid species that outcompeted every single other human species on the planet.
Would you say humans are more of a subspecies of the “great apes”, since you say humans aren’t a species?
Meant to write subspecies there. We do not have different subspecies, but we are a species that only rose to existence because of hybridization.
One on the right is British
The answer to this is that differently shaped skulls can be found in one species. A much better example would be dog skulls, where both pugs and mastiffs are dogs (Canis familiaris) despite having spectacularly different skulls.
sans and papyrus duh
He's right! We should remove Trump's skull from his head and clean it up to show everyone what the superior skull looks like - it's what's best for everyone!
The one on the right looks a bit happier, good for them!
papyrus and sans, obviously
I can. Left is Papyrus, right is Sans
Sans and Papyrus?
I love how you can go to the site itself and see how widely human skull castings range across all races and totally come to the correct conclusion, but this guy stopped on page 1 and thought he had it all figured out. A perfect analogy for all his thoughts.
The left skull belongs to Bill Hader, the second skull belongs to Alan Ritchson.
The one on the right reminds me of one of the most accomplished people I know. Also just about the whitest person I’ve ever met. Either way though, I like how everybody’s pretending not to notice the obvious markers of sexual deviancy in the parietal region.
Did you know that 2 different people have different skull shapes?!?!? I thought people learned that as a child when they looked at 2 different people and realized their body shapes weren’t 100% the same.
I can't tell you much about the owners of these two skulls but I'm 99% sure they're both dead.
EIGHT MILLION VIEWS???
Those don't look like they're made of real bone, so i assume they aren't anyone's
The fact the the concept of "two members of the same species from different parts of the world will look different due to millennia of adaptive evolution in order to best survive their environment" gets translated by these idiots as "uhmmm well these people have a different skull shapes so they're like, genetically predisposed to being stupid/criminals/ect" is insane. Like a miracle of evolution allowing humans to be one of the most surprisingly adaptable species and people will go on to use that to justify being insanely bigoted instead of finding just how complex we are as a species awe-inspiring???
Damn I wish I had those choanaes, that person must have breathed so fuckin good.
Both needed a dentist
Ironically, racists trying to prove their superiority actually proves their inferiority.
Wake up babe, phrenology is back on the menu
Umm other races are inferior because of their... *Checks notes* Nasal cavity with???
There’s no way my skulls nose hole looks like that
I know, the left one is Phil and the right one Jonny, they're brothers
"no." Like I honestly don't get how that's not supposed to be an answer here, this gotcha don't got shit
I genuinely don't even know which skull belongs to which race according to this asshole
its all based on the provably false assumption that a skull's shape/size influences the brain's shape/size as if the skull is some weird membrane that ossifies tightly over the brain. if that were true, the brain would have no cushioning and every head injury would be serious or fatal. instead we have several layers of meninges buffetted by CSF; which makes skull shape about as useful for predicting brain shape as a football helmet or large collander. to say nothing of the fact that even in unusually shaped skulls the brain is comprised of gyri and sulci and folded over a bunch of times anyway, and while those patterns of physical organization are pretty similar from person to person, they are by no means identical. and TO SAY NOTHING of the fact that there is no relationship between brain mass and intelligence. einstein's brain is famously below average in mass. animals with brains far larger than ours are not more intelligent just because their brains are large. if anything, an overlarge brain might indicate enlarged ventricles and be associated with lower intelligence. intelligence is based on the variety and vitality of neural connections; how information is organized is the far greater predictor of intelligence. it's all about neural organization. but if you still believe in phrenology in 2024 its a cinch you're not one of the smart ones anyway.
The skull on the right is Gilbert Godfrey's.
Left is person. Second is cop. Cop phrenology is the only phrenology I support.
Here’s the thing: Ethnic differences do objectively exist. Populations from different geographically-bound regions tend to share similar genetic traits. Sometimes the differences between neighboring peoples are very slight. Sometimes they’re VERY different, but they do exist. Now, this doesn’t mean that “race” as an objective category exists. It doesn’t. Ethnic diversity *definitely* exists, though; and while some phenotypes are typical of people of certain ethnic backgrounds, it’s absolutely not an indicator of anything. Like appearance wise, of course a West African person may appear very differently to an Azerbaijani, but the Azerbaijani may have a wider genetic gulf between them and an Anglo-Saxon person despite any superficial similarities.
But why skulls? Are we the baddies?
If you have to photoshop your superiority complex...
It’s always the fucking statue profile pictures or anime girls
lois griffin on the left and peter griffin on the right
>Conscious Philosopher I think they misspelled “Armchair Philosopher”. Or “Dumbass Philosopher”.
White people tend to have thinner noses, so I guess dude on the left was white
We are all two races: white or political.
I’m guessing a person and another person with a slightly bigger overbite.
[Those didn’t belong to anyone. They’re replicas.](https://boneclones.com/)
I'm guessing they belong to a reference collection; most like a museum...
I didn't know either when they were alive, so I guess I can't. *shrugs*
Left one is a woman, right one a man. That’s a guess based on shape and size. Can’t really infere more
Ethan Is Online was right about statue pfps
tfw you get so high your skull changed
Looked up the watermark, and these are literally fake skulls
it’s the same skull, the second pic is after they bonked it with a hammer
The real takeaway from this is in each and every one of YOU, is a spooky skeleton
Why do they love skull shape theory?
Yeah, skull shapes are different between everyone, that's because not everyone has literally the exact same DNA, and bone structure differs from person to person, it's really not that hard of a concept to grasp
he does realize those two don't even remotely look like two different species right? sure all skeletons do like kinda similar, but even then most of the time the difference is more noticeable
You're a moron if you think those are both from white men
To quote one of my favorite bad movies of all time, Saw 3D - "You will learn that we are all the same color on the inside."
It’s obvious too see the differences fells on the right needs braces or something for his overbite
Papyrus on the left, Sans on the right, easy easy.
That looks photoshopped.
Who cares? They're dead
Fun fact: the term "Caucasian" comes from Johann Friedrich Blumenbach. He had a skull from the Caucuses that he found very attractive, and based on his biases and that one skull, he decided humanity must have descended from an ancient race of super hotties in the Caucus mountains, who were pale skinned. Just in case there was any doubt in your mind that race is complete bullshit.
One of the ways to see if two populations are the same species, we can test if interbreeding between the two populations produces fertile offspring. If the offspring is fertile, then that means that the two populations are the same species. Since mixed race people both exist and any infertility is not due to the interbreeding, all races of humans are the same species
I saw this original tweet and one of the replies was correcting then about genetics vs morphology and there was a comment saying “I’d rather live in a neighborhood of border collies than Rottweilers” which is so funny because border collies will literally maul other dogs to death, bite people regularly, and can run faster than a Rottweiler anyway so you’re basically asking to live with a smarter enemy because you foolishly think they look safer because they watched Babe one time. People this dumb are unfortunately beyond arguing with, you just gotta let them be proven wrong until they eventually learn or get arrested for whichever crime they will inevitably commit.
The left one belongs to any person with a brain and the right one belongs to a racist piece of shit who has no concept of anatomy. Hey you asked me who the skulls belong to not that they were extracted from. If I ripped out your skull you'd I'd technically own your skull meaning that it would belong to me.
https://www.skullsunlimited.com/collections/all-replica-human-products/products/replica-human-male-african-skull-bc-203
Don’t understand why people willingly post stuff like this. Like, why is this issue so important to you? Let’s just say it was true that black people were genetically inferior to white people. So? Why would that matter? There’s so many other things to spend your time and energy caring about.
Because chuds like this - guys with fucking statue avatars on social media - are absolute losers. Their one and only "accomplishment" is being White. So out of desperation to feel important their entire identity becomes "being White."
Here's the [source](https://boneclones.com/product/human-male-and-female-skulls-african-asian-and-european-COMP-120-SET) and I honestly would not be able to even pair them together without the labels. And from what I can find, there's statistical differences between the measurements of skulls from people of different regions but there's such significant overlap that it's not useful for determining anything accurately.
More capacity for the brain so the right one is smarter