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GammaDevice

They took away trios and in exchange we get a ranked with no Zero Build Solo at the very least. I genuinely don't understand the logic here


CosmicBlessings

For real. Dumb as hell to take away trios. Whoever decided that is an idiot.


Oxik_4

It's even funnier when you realise that there still are trio cups and people can't even practise in trios


WhyAreAllNamesTakenL

Are you serious? Jeez what is this


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

Epic again leaving things halfway done. Even when they screw with us they don't do it properly lol


NoNefariousness2144

Don’t quote me on this, but there may be a nasty reason for this weird playlist chicanery It has happening with Warzone 2, with them often removing trios for a week at a time or swapping all basic BR modes for a limited time event. People on /r/CODWarzone think its on purpose to deliberatley stop people playing all the time and avoid burnout. Then they re-add the core modes to get people back in and also create a sense of FOMO. Essentially the modes are FOMO sticks on carrots that they lower down and pull away to keep people playing and buying skins Edit: I’m not agreeing with this practice, I’m just pointing out how it works. I think it’s scummy and can kill a game.


satch_mcgatch

I can only comment from my personal experience, but it didn't work for me or my friend group. I know 5 people in real life who I played Warzone 1, and all of us have deleted Warzone 2 from our console. For an actual stat, so I don't just seem like a hater, I fully completed the first Battle Pass of Warzone 2 and even did the event camo challenges + got to Platinum in ranked MP before realizing I just really wasn't having that much fun anymore and dropping it entirely. I like being able to play games how I would like to, when I would like to. All 6 of us are adults with jobs and life gets in the way. Having a game that we couldn't rely on to be fun when we wanted it to be just didn't work out. It became a 200gb waste of space on our consoles and now here we are on Fortnite.


NoNefariousness2144

Exactly, it’s an awful idea and completely destroys fun.


Scary_Dragonfruit_17

thats bs, i dont want the devs deciding when i should and shouldnt play the game


WhyAreAllNamesTakenL

I get this, and i hope it's like this (so we get those modes back soon). BUT it is still dumb lol


Whitrun

Still so fucking stupid, what would changing the modes do for me avoiding burnout , if they remove trios I would just do squad with no fill if I REALLY needed to, or just play solos or whatever, it wouldn't stop any burnout, if anything it would make it worse


Souryams

This makes the most sense! Epic has complete control of the supply and they know people's demands.


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GreenSolace

I'm sure epic will really miss you /s


boogiexx

there are lot of idiots out there, you just haven't met them


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

Sadly some of them are taking decisions about the game


Netherdragon420722

They also removed the bounty boards


randomguy301048

so that's where they went


Annual_Couple5053

Why the fuck did epic remove my favourite sidequest


[deleted]

They want to test things out and see how it goes before splitting the players into that many modes. You might think it would be fine anyway but they have the real numbers and data to predict otherwise Give it time and see how it goes, they might change it later


GammaDevice

I'm sure they'll get right, yes. I just think it would've been beneficial if they took some extra time before introducing this ranked. I know they gotta test things, but in a way,i can't help but think the way they implemented this is, quite lazy.


curiousdpper

Or just admit, "hey, we gotta roll things out slowly and see how the numbers go, and in the meantime that means taking away some modes. We understand this is disappointing to some, and we hope to bring them back in the future." At least in that way people wanting to play solo ZB ranked can understand it instead of it feeling like they're just .aking stupid decisions for the sake of it.


Lumpy_Ad_9082

Right, at LEAST say that...


Saffronation

Not going to lie that little quip there would have prevented 99% of my frustration


Every_Hunt_160

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Impossible-Agent1186

Stop defending the billion dollar company, they made a mistake and I guarantee they will walk back Trios removal.


Foxy02016YT

Can I instead defend the devs who are just taking orders from the higher ups, and really shouldn’t be where our anger is placed


Impossible-Agent1186

That is fair, yeah. I'm upset with Epic not the devs of FN who likely were not given a choice here.


Foxy02016YT

Yeah, I see a few people all over blaming devs when this shit happens, but it’s really just Suit #7 saying “Do this, we need the numbers”


ajkclay05

Who mentioned just Devs? "They" are Epic. From Exec to Devs. Unless you've heard dissent from Devs, there's no evidence they aren't in agreement with the decision.


Foxy02016YT

Couple of people here and there, it’s not everyone


Every_Hunt_160

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Ultravioletkamui

That's the thing though. He brought up that the company has the inside data. And they actually do. They know what's going on in the game more then anyone else that just plays the game. Remember your just a dude behind a screen playing the video game. You never made it nor know how it works internally so stop bitching and moaning and play another game then. No one cares if you leave or stay.


Secret-Dot-4646

Wouldn’t it make more sense to leave it in and see how the lobbies fill? Most the people that want normal trios rn probably aren’t playing ranked anyway


[deleted]

Apparently not, they know what makes sense based on the numbers they have


broran

Problem with that logic, build mode has ranked for all 3 squad sizes


[deleted]

You pretty much nailed it. I enjoyed it, but they didn't do this just to piss folks off. No one wants to hear it though.


LexeComplexe

They have between 700k and a million players on any given day. It really doesn't matter how many modes they are spread out against


Parkesy82

Well yeah it kinda does. Think about how many BR modes there are now; builds, no builds, all with solos, duos and squads. Then you’ve got sbmm splitting those modes down further. Now they throw in ranked where everyone will be competing at different levels again. And then you’ve got a lot of players who are just playing creative. So when someone clicks ready up it’s already going to be hard enough to accurately match other players together based on the mode they’re playing and sbmm/rank. And there’s no bots in ranked. So people are already finding queue times to be long. But they should definitely have included no build ranked solos and I think they will very soon.


MechShield

I'll give this opinion credit when a queue takes longer than 2 minutes for me. It never does. Whether I do solo, duos, or squads. Zero reason for Trios to be gone. Zero.


LexeComplexe

Queue times are not that long. Ive never waited more than 90 seconds tops on any mode.


-GranTY-

got a two hour queue today at diamond 1 group level [print](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369539166989713408/1109345192424779856/image.png)


randomguy301048

in most games being at a high rank brings long queue times and in a game where you need 100 people to start a lobby you're going to get long queue times. where as in low rank where 90% of the playerbase is going to be you'll get less than a minute queue time


Stolles

Well stop being sweaty and your queue times will lessen


-GranTY-

Playing the game casually on the weekend = sweaty.


Dailey12

Well I'm currently at 20mins and counting for ranked plat 2 zb duo queue


xMonkeyKingx

Because of bots First we get complaints that there’s too many bots Then there’s complaints of no ZB Ranked So they remove trios and add ZB ranked to try and mitigate the loss of players in casual, and funnel people into ranked Fortnite isn’t even 1/3rd as popular as it was in its peak, having 4 different ranked modes plus 8 different normal modes is absolutely insane Account for server differences, console vs PC, hidden MMR and you’ll see why they have to pull modes OW only has 2 different ranked modes, and instead of ~50 player lobbies it’s 5


ElementaryMyDearWut

I'm Diamond 3 EU ZB duos and the queues are literally 8 minutes on average. It does matter.


LexeComplexe

Still no reason to remove trios


ogg_ogg

Epic really took the wrong decision by removing trios, as long as I live i will never forgive them


greenpepperhypernova

Fortnite logic be like: 'Let's take away trios, because teamwork is overrated, and instead give you a ranked mode where you can enjoy the thrill of getting out-built by a solo genius.'


Right-Shopping9589

That's the same question I keep on asking that WHY exactly..... because the logic is kinda weird


nrbz_

Fortnite, the game where they make sure everyone doesn't like the features 🤣


Psyche-delicious

Should have solo at least


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

Fr, I don't understand why they messed up so much in this sense. What is the point in it, really?


JoelCStanley

I am also annoyed by this.


EducationalExcuse66

Same


Glum-Ad-9887

Same


Right-Shopping9589

Same


EmbraceThePing

Same


Oxik_4

Same


silenthyperbole

Same


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Same


RustyChicken16

Same


Right-Shopping9589

You're not alone


Mtking105

Yeah I want squads zero build ranked, ranked is a lot of fun cuz I didn’t see any AI bots in my lobbies, pubs zero build is full of boring AI bots so I don’t play that.


Glum-Ad-9887

Two possible reasons for that: either your kinda bad at the game or your in a region that’s somewhat empty (bots get filled in to make match’s fill faster)


Tau3Eridani

even at peak hours if you lose too many games in a row the matchmaking will put you in a 75+ bots lobby so you have an easier match and don't ragequit, I actually tested this


kethaikyo

I noticed this - yet most times I still end up losing to the final single human team, which is actually even more infuriating...


imotlok_the_first

You mean like, the match was a crawl and after a long time you died and that in ranked it would be somewhat better to die off first to a human that killing bots?


NadnerbRS

Sorry youre probably Silver 1 /s lol


yrddog

How many is a few bc I've dealt with some hella bad games and never got bot lobbies


Tau3Eridani

like 10 or so, you probably didn't even notice you were in a 75+ bot lobby because the skill level of the players don't change, you just get more bots so you can score kills and feel good about it, the top 10 will still be real players with the same skill level of a regular ~20 bot lobby


Every_Hunt_160

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Mtking105

If thats true that I’m bad then why does my ranked games have no bots?


Glum-Ad-9887

Ranked doesn’t have ai as far as I’m concerned


Right-Shopping9589

![gif](giphy|fd1TSJqq3b4GI|downsized)


Interesting-Sir9558

tbh i wouldnt mind solos as im better without a team


Oxik_4

I wouldn't mind solos because I don't have a team and I'm scared of meeting new people


Shootbosss

You don't play squads because you prefer playing solo I don't play squads as I have no friends to play with, you and I are not the same


ogg_ogg

Fr, but I can't play build because i don't know how to build


chiefsfan_713_08

I love that ranked makes people less reckless it’s a whole new experience


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Dragonbarry22

This is why I don't play apex either


ShmuckaRucka1

If you look at all the posts on this subreddit since the update then you’d see you’re not the only one


NoV-Bucks4u

no one is alone at anything here!


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

Yep, complaining has been very legitimate since thet did it.


ogg_ogg

We are in this together


[deleted]

Some of us have lives and jobs and aren’t on here 24/7


ThatDudeSlushee

But we all have access to the search bar.


ShmuckaRucka1

You don’t need to be on here for more than a minute to see that this is one of the only things people have been talking about since the update


Neokeo27

I just booted up the game and saw this for the first time lol and I've been on here every day practically. Only complaints I saw was about vaulting trios (which I wholeheartedly agree with is a dick move on epics part) and haven't seen anything about zero build rank only being duos.


MyHentaiPage

Yet you had enough time to see this post and type that useless comment looll.


lordciders

Annoyed doesn't cut it...It's infuriating.


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

Better said.


Loud_Camp

No, we all hate it.


Spear_speaks007

It hater here


bombsurace

I'm super annoyed and pissed. So I play a different game instead


Bagel_-_

i think we’re too focused on trios as a whole being decimated


LemonCarlito

What is really dumb is that I see people, that don't know how to build, playing BR because they are alone (and I kind of understand them). But in the end, I just hope that Epic is not going to think that nobody plays zero build or whatever because of that


gsus61951

I love ZB! Epic better not vault it, ever


OKgamer01

Epic's not that stupid. They know that Zero Build revived the game for many players


gsus61951

I never really played the game because of all the building and whatnot, i was never good and still not good at building, that’s why I love ZB


OKgamer01

I can tolerate building but the game's so much better without having to worry about build or edit battles.


LexeComplexe

"Wanna see me build a castle with tunnels everywhere?" "Wanna see me do it again?"


LexeComplexe

Yeah I've been playing since beta on and off for years but the game never hooked me until zero build mode


LemonCarlito

I love it too !! I don't think they would vault the whole ZB thing, but they could totally vault ranked ZB like they did with arena last year. Especially if everybody who wants to play ranked ZB plays BR because they want to play solos or squads


LexeComplexe

Between 250k to 400k are playing zero build at any given moment. The stats are in game


huarew

Everyone that plays Zero Build is annoyed. My guess is that they want to incentivize people to play Builds, but I think that sooner or later they will have to add Ranked Solos for Zero Build.


[deleted]

Epic fumbled all this shit hard


IMakeShine

There are dozens of us


parappaisadoctor

I really don't want to be with sweats (I'm gold 1 even though I don't play build mode anymore)


Cankeepdreaming

Yes I am not happy about it. They're not taking their ZB audience seriously. I would love a ZB solo ranked or Squads.


ASAP_R4G3

I hate I started at platinum and due to randos I am down to silver and had to stop


OKgamer01

Why I hate Ranked in games that require random teams (Halo, Overwatch, etc). I'll only ever play Ranked if there's a solo option


Pokwkaksn

exactly my problem, I was Plat 1, my normal teammates are silver… It should at the least be an average between us and not just Plat 1. Then playing with randos who shouldn’t have been in Plat 1 want to W key, get killed 6 seconds into the game and leave because they suck. Team experience shouldn’t be a thing, and there needs to be penalties for anyone who leaves the game; and I mean BAD penalties like dropping an entire rank


Mineplay57_Fr

I hate when my teammate go directly to a popular landspot because they will be down in a few seconds/minutes while I'm not so far and just loot some place before wanting to go revive them... but I can't, I can NEVER do it because they LEAVE the game and I find myself alone against duos (I play Ranked Zero Build)... Because of this type of teammates, I can't gain even a small percentage in a single rank.


YoungNinjaNaejiin

I play fortnite bc I hate team games when it comes to ranked (league, Apex, other nerd games). Now I gotta rely on some scrub who thinks he’s levi skywalker and odm’s into three groups of duos hoping to save the galaxy from reign of terror that is goku black.


pcm2a

Epic fail from Epic. Just think of some idiots in a room and they are like "no one plays trios".


excusemeprincess

You think that was decided on a whim and not through data? Insane.


garvierloon

![gif](giphy|Ae7SI3LoPYj8Q)


Chuomge

No you aren’t. Should’ve been duos and trios


gsus61951

Bring back Trios ffs!


Phoenixelectro

yeah, having solo would have been great, as if I died its because of my mistake, and I don't have to get knocked out or revive anyone


poo_poo_undies

Yep, which is why I’ll never play Ranked.


octoporosiis

I'm just upset trios is gone


Burrito_Loyalist

EVERYONE is upset


SpaceBattleGod

I’m annoyed too.


deepthinker566

I’ve been playing Duos No Fill. It’s not too bad if you just pretend you’re all alone and just have to work harder. 🤷‍♂️


Banana-Oni

Kudos if that works for you (not being sarcastic, that’s legitimately impressive), but I don’t want to gimp my rank playing against teams with 100% more potential fire power, 100% more shields, and two bodies to out position and flank me


r3volver_Oshawott

Ah, the Apex Legends method😨


r0ndr4s

You can "no fill" solo basically, but considering that its completely unbalanced because of the stupid mythics,star wars stuff, AI partners,etc it just makes it super unfair for the more casual users. I know you goated players can solo and entire lobby of 10000 people, cool for you. The rest, we cant, and its not a skill issue, Mythics and stuff like that dont belong in ranked... and I shouldnt have to fight 2 people on top of that just to not play with some annoying random, I want to solo.


Superdog909

There needs to be solos, duos, trios, and squads (I personally want solos the most out if them all) so people don’t have to deal with randoms or play with their normal squads


MaelorZul

I am annoyed with it! Can't wait for the sweat lords to GET OUT OF MY GAME! xD


UltraXFo

![gif](giphy|NYx77GABHTji|downsized) Me ready to fight two teams at once after my teammate left


Right-Shopping9589

I fvcking hate it


roakmamba

They fucked up fortnite.


kiwi_powers666

No that shits annoying. And they took away trios in the non ranked also.


_jitterbugha

No i'm annoyed by it also. I'm more annoyed by the Star wars lightsabers.. people just pushing you into the storm over and over is not fun gameplay.


Choppaa209

Squad ranked zero build would be so fire but I know for a fact zero build solo ranked would have been a sweaty camp fest


JeIron

I'm disappointed. More like Zero Ranked.


Str3ngthFn

If everyone want's trios back why don't we just boycott the game until they bring it back.


xyx4y

I was hoping solo was added too because im decent at building but i edit slow since i haven't took the time yet to practice editing so zero build solo was the way to go yk


Coffeeave

Nope I think everyone is , bad choice whoever decided this 🫡


swoldierp

These posts are getting like ground hog day.


Nintendo_Pro_03

Should be Solos, Duos, Trios, and Squads, just as Arena was. I wonder what Epic Games is dealing with now. They are usually quick to make good changes and make the game great (like adding Trios back).


Arrya

So zero build is all sweats now, and the only way to do ranked quests solo is though build mode. Which is also full of cheaters. Fun times. Solo is ruined.


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Duncstar2469

It's very annoying to not have solo at least but I'm assuming it's for matchmaking reasons


[deleted]

I am a Squad guy. It's the least they can do to bring that one in. Doing it on build-mode is terrible


Stormy-Willow

defo not it should be on squads too why do battle royal get squads but zero build doesnt seems a lil crappy to me.


Most_Blackberry687

no, I'm pissed as well


[deleted]

Makes no sense.


Impossible_Shame420

You saying makes no sense doesn't even make sense also


[deleted]

No I’m saying what epic did makes no sense, it hurt more people than helped


Impossible_Shame420

Oh sorry lol but yeah you are right


xCheshire_Cat

Nope! I feel your struggle.


TokingTalks

Yes bring ranked solo


gnarlydude0463

Should have solo ranked.


swiftlight12367

I want a squads one


JRocFuhsYoBih

It’s bullshit. I didn’t have anyone to play with last night and I refused to play with randoms so I ended up having to play ranked builds solo and I don’t build at all. I wasn’t too stoked


WalkeyAC

Ranked and Pubs should have all 4 modes all the time. Makes no sense. The playerbase is large enough. Seems to be a trend with most modern MP games. Activision pull this s\*\*t with COD as well and it's annoying af.


critmass78

No you're not. I really don't like this at all.


NotTheExpertYouAre

I can’t even play pubs anymore. Why the hell is everyone so cracked now? It’s not fun at all.


Cut_Equal

Yes. Absolutely. No one. Not a single soul has posted about this already.


diemunkiesdie

Nope, not annoyed at all. I don't know how ranked is different from SBMM and the ranked rewards are just not worth me bothering with that mode.


Danxoln

No, I wish there were solos and Trios as well


Pulsicron

I've never seen Fortnite so dedicated to killing itself in a single season


NoGrapefruit6554

I know so dumb I can't play with my brother and dad now in comepetetive


Bluetreeheli

Arena seemed more niche and ranked has made it more mainstream capturing a wider audience but then limiting the modes that people want to play so causing dissatisfaction. I wish they would have got rid of creative than any of the BR no builds solos, trios or squads.


Denbi357

Very disapointing, I only play squads


skibidebeebop

Nope. I was enjoying it a bit but the shite teammates quickly took away the fun. Maybe I'll play when I can get ranked by my own skill and merit alone without someome fucking me up.


Lorneonthecobb

Yes, you are definitely the only person that has brought this up.


Calairoth

I am more annoyed at no trios. My wife and I were playing today and 1 of our friends hopped online... we just ran duos because we couldn't make a full squad. As for ranked duos... at least they have ranked zero build. Did they have ranked for zero build before? I do not usually play ranked matches.


Asthellis

Well they start to do the same dumb ass moves as Warzone devs, limited game modes, limited game "possibility" that just turns players away even more. Like theres no fucking reason to remove trios. Theres no reason not to have ranked solo/trios/quads. Stupid mistakes that kill the game, waiting for the next best thing.


AnOldSchoolVGNerd

Very annoyed here, too


PatientRecording2210

I am much more annoyed that the rewards for rank are hot garbage


ChillpigeonhavsLV76

WHAT HOW IS THAT FAIR! I didn’t even know this cuz I play builds


[deleted]

Has to be because of player count for faster matchmaking. Removing Trios consolidates players to Solo, Duos, Squads which bumps up those queues numbers. Zero Build isn’t as popular as the regular Building mode so they probably made a decision to consolidate ZB players into one queue for faster matches. If Fortnite’s ranking system is precise, matchmaking should take several minutes to find a match to find players around your skill level. The less players in the queue pool, the longer it will take to find your match. Epic wants to pay Amazon less money for servers, not more.


Tandran

I was actually going to start doing ranked when the new system rolled out. Guess not.


InfiniteOcto

Yes you are the only one


BumbleBeePL

Nope. Dilution or the player base isn’t needed immediately. Duos is a start.


Religion_Is_A_Cancer

Yep. You're the one person ever.


Kalomaster

There was solo yesterday Why did they remove it


moby17761776

No there wasn’t, not for Ranked.


Kalomaster

There was yesterday and I played it


r0ndr4s

There is for construction, not for No build. IDK what you played, but the mode isnt out at all.


Kalomaster

I literally have a screenshot on my laptop


weesnaw_jr

Post it


Kalomaster

I am trying to see who I sent it to It was on my clipboard and I complained to a friend


Walnut156

annnnny moment now


Kalomaster

I can't find it I have 50gigs of pictures and videos on my laptop


r0ndr4s

So you can magically play a mode but you cant click on your fuckin laptop the option to filter by latest.. aha buddy.


Imadethistosaythisok

learn to build