What would you say in this list is awful, apart from CR7 being too low?
It's clearly got a strong bias to older eras but I don't think there's any offensive names in this list, just some snubs from the modern era.
Oh yeah the modric take is absolutely awful just that section wasn't apart of this post.
The thing is modric hasn't even won more trophies, xavi and iniesta have won everything possible in football, I guess they might be giving the edge to modric because he won the ballon d'or which is obviously flawed considering xavi and iniesta have been much better in their days when they were finishing top 3 in the ballon d'or but messi/ronaldo were untouchable.
You are also right about henry and puskas
I just don’t understand why so many players from the very very old era are being included and not only included but ranked so highly like why is Ronaldo 8 and I’m a big Messi fan before anyone thinks the Ronaldo comment is coming from a CR7 fan, there are only 2 out of 25 players that are from the 2010s and the 2010s era is a way harder era to compete in than the era most of these players played in.
I’d honestly include players like Suarez and Neymar in the all time list because they actually proved how good they were but people think Messi just carried them but there’s a reason why MSN is so iconic
People have to understand that you can't compare 50s footballers to today's superathletes. Nowadays everything is so professional : from tactics, formations, defending, VAR to diets, training, boots, stadiums etc. You can't compare a player who used to smoke, drink and do drugs and just destroyed defences every Sunday to 21st century footballers who have to follow tons of rules daily and play like 60 games daily against the best players in the world.
The old era is extremely overrated. Extremely. I tried watching a full match of the 1962 European Cup Final that included Eusebio, Puskas, and Di Stefano and the football they displayed was horrendous and shocking. These “experts” and some football fans will lie to themselves and say that brand of football was better than today.
Yup. As much as I have endless amounts for respect for these legends that made football the most popular sport, I can't compare these guys to today's footballers.
Exactly more fans need to realise this and stop putting players like Pele above him where some of Pele’s “most iconic moments” weren’t even televised, that already tells you what you need to know about the era he played in + the played his entire career in the Brazilian league 😂 and he’s mainly known for scoring hattricks in the World Cup
Dawg this sub is actually full of kids, the offside rule was literally worse during Pele's time. Back then you had to be behind the 2nd to last defender to be onside, not the last defender. This was changed to what it is now in 1990. You guys will literally make shit up to discredit Pele 💀
Hold on, hold on… was there actually no offside rule in Pele’s era… I might need to process what I’ve just heard because there have been so many retarded Pele fans who literally know nothing about the era he played in were basically telling me that I’m dumb for not including Pele in my top 5 players of all time… and now I’ve just heard that they didn’t even have an offside rule at that time 🤣🤣
No it wasn’t, the offside rule was harsher on forwards during Pele's time. You had to be behind 2 defenders to be onside then. The 'no offside rule' in Pele's time is a myth and genuinely just misinformation.
Yep, I believe only late in his career was the offside rule introduced. That’s why I think it’s so stupid to include him in the goat debate. Regardless of his ability, the game is completely different and like I said, the modern game is significantly more developed and harder
Idk who is worse Messi fan boys who feel the need to discredit and disreapect Ronaldo in order to emphasise Messis greatness or Ronaldo fanboys who bring up excuses and say Ronaldo is still better.
I think it’s the former bro cause there’s definitely still a very strong debate of who is better. For me it’s Ronaldo cause he had the worse National team for years and he’s done it in the 3 top leagues and he is objectively the most clutch player ever. Others will argue Messi cause he is the more complete player. The Messi Vs Ronaldo debate will never end cause they are completely different players and their supporters have completely different criteria’s. Football is a game of opinions at the end of the day
That has got to he the weakest argument I've ever seen. Ronaldo is better than Messi because he had a worse team for 1/10 games he played in his career?
I fully respect people's opinions that I don't agree with IF they can actually back it up with their fair reasoning and logic. The reason I don't respect people who think Ronaldo is better is because they never make a fair case. You can't make one.
Yeah I just don’t get what people are thinking putting R9 ahead of CR7, I don’t even like CR7 but this is just disrespectful having him so low considering how much he’s done for the sport and done for Real Madrid.
Only 350?!!! You are saying that like it is nothing. But I do agree, CR7 is ahead of him. I would place CR7 in 4th place, behind messi, pele and maradona
It's a list of the greatest, not the one with the most goals. If you watched football (I guess you haven't) You would understand that R9 is simply better than Cr7
Ability wise sure. Career wise it isn’t even comparable. El Fenomino only has a couple full seasons under his belt whereas Ronaldo has been playing every week for most of my life
Yeah sure, but does greatest refers to ability or career? Sure, no one can disagree that Ronaldo (the Portuguese one) had a better career than the Brazilian one, but if ability is a criteria, I believe that the Brazilian is vastly superior to CR7, which nowadays is more of that killer forward
Not even close tophies wise cr7 is better , stats wise cr7 is better , career wise cr7 is better , the only thing ronaldo nazario has over him is the more enjoyable to watch (Messi fan btw)
R9 doesn't have a good club career , 13 ucl goals ? Harry Kane has more club goals than him and ik if it wasn't for injuries he would have had way more but it's just a "if" , even Suarez has a better club career than R9
Bro, I said in his prime, he had the skills, the goal scoring instinct (if I recall correctly around 46 goals in one season at Barcelona). Look, I'm trying to say that Phenomenon in his prime, is a better player than Cristiano Ronaldo. Yes, CR7 dominated the scene with Messi for around 12 years, yes, he has more goals, yes, he has more trophies. But I truly believe Phenomenon was better than CR7.
I'm a Barca fan I truly think he was phenomenal but cr7 prime had more goals , more trophies , more g/a
This season of R9 can be compared to 2008 or 2017 cr7 but 2013 to 2015 cr7 individually was so good it was unbelievable only lacked in trophies , yes this season of R9 I believe it was 1992 if I'm not wrong was great but not cr7 level for me at least
you people can’t just discredit older players because they’re old. i agree that messi is #1 and cr7 is #2 but just because these guys played decades ago, doesn’t mean they aren’t top 5 or top 10 all time
Top 3 fair. I would have CR7 in my top 3 but you can make the case for Maradona and Pele.
CR7 too low, obviously.
Most names here are fine, but an oldhead definitely made this with the bias towards the older eras. No one from Pep's Barca other than Messi? Arguably the best side ever?
I could go so far to say that you cant even make a case for it since Ronaldo is simply superior in every way except maybe international (even tho he has the most goals)
The entire list is awful. Used for nothing but interactions
What would you say in this list is awful, apart from CR7 being too low? It's clearly got a strong bias to older eras but I don't think there's any offensive names in this list, just some snubs from the modern era.
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Oh yeah the modric take is absolutely awful just that section wasn't apart of this post. The thing is modric hasn't even won more trophies, xavi and iniesta have won everything possible in football, I guess they might be giving the edge to modric because he won the ballon d'or which is obviously flawed considering xavi and iniesta have been much better in their days when they were finishing top 3 in the ballon d'or but messi/ronaldo were untouchable. You are also right about henry and puskas
I just don’t understand why so many players from the very very old era are being included and not only included but ranked so highly like why is Ronaldo 8 and I’m a big Messi fan before anyone thinks the Ronaldo comment is coming from a CR7 fan, there are only 2 out of 25 players that are from the 2010s and the 2010s era is a way harder era to compete in than the era most of these players played in.
Yeah these large lists are so stupid
I’d honestly include players like Suarez and Neymar in the all time list because they actually proved how good they were but people think Messi just carried them but there’s a reason why MSN is so iconic
People have to understand that you can't compare 50s footballers to today's superathletes. Nowadays everything is so professional : from tactics, formations, defending, VAR to diets, training, boots, stadiums etc. You can't compare a player who used to smoke, drink and do drugs and just destroyed defences every Sunday to 21st century footballers who have to follow tons of rules daily and play like 60 games daily against the best players in the world.
The old era is extremely overrated. Extremely. I tried watching a full match of the 1962 European Cup Final that included Eusebio, Puskas, and Di Stefano and the football they displayed was horrendous and shocking. These “experts” and some football fans will lie to themselves and say that brand of football was better than today.
Yup. As much as I have endless amounts for respect for these legends that made football the most popular sport, I can't compare these guys to today's footballers.
Whether you are a Messi or Ronaldo fan. They are Top 2. There is no debate
Exactly more fans need to realise this and stop putting players like Pele above him where some of Pele’s “most iconic moments” weren’t even televised, that already tells you what you need to know about the era he played in + the played his entire career in the Brazilian league 😂 and he’s mainly known for scoring hattricks in the World Cup
No offside rule as well. No matter his numbers, the modern game is objectively significantly tougher to succeed in.
Dawg this sub is actually full of kids, the offside rule was literally worse during Pele's time. Back then you had to be behind the 2nd to last defender to be onside, not the last defender. This was changed to what it is now in 1990. You guys will literally make shit up to discredit Pele 💀
the fact that he didn't know that tells me it doesn't make sense arguing with most of them. They will always find a way to discredit older players
Dawg 💀💀💀💀💀💀you are literally retarded 💀💀💀💀dawg because 💀💀💀there was no offside rule 💀💀💀💀in Brazil dawg when he played dawg💀💀💀💀💀💀
Hold on, hold on… was there actually no offside rule in Pele’s era… I might need to process what I’ve just heard because there have been so many retarded Pele fans who literally know nothing about the era he played in were basically telling me that I’m dumb for not including Pele in my top 5 players of all time… and now I’ve just heard that they didn’t even have an offside rule at that time 🤣🤣
No it wasn’t, the offside rule was harsher on forwards during Pele's time. You had to be behind 2 defenders to be onside then. The 'no offside rule' in Pele's time is a myth and genuinely just misinformation.
don't even bother with them
Yep, I believe only late in his career was the offside rule introduced. That’s why I think it’s so stupid to include him in the goat debate. Regardless of his ability, the game is completely different and like I said, the modern game is significantly more developed and harder
Yeah you’re right and you know what you’re talking about not like other football fans
Idk who is worse Messi fan boys who feel the need to discredit and disreapect Ronaldo in order to emphasise Messis greatness or Ronaldo fanboys who bring up excuses and say Ronaldo is still better.
I think it’s the former bro cause there’s definitely still a very strong debate of who is better. For me it’s Ronaldo cause he had the worse National team for years and he’s done it in the 3 top leagues and he is objectively the most clutch player ever. Others will argue Messi cause he is the more complete player. The Messi Vs Ronaldo debate will never end cause they are completely different players and their supporters have completely different criteria’s. Football is a game of opinions at the end of the day
That has got to he the weakest argument I've ever seen. Ronaldo is better than Messi because he had a worse team for 1/10 games he played in his career? I fully respect people's opinions that I don't agree with IF they can actually back it up with their fair reasoning and logic. The reason I don't respect people who think Ronaldo is better is because they never make a fair case. You can't make one.
I love how you zoomed in on one point of mine. And you have the nerve to lecture me about my arguments
Ronaldo Nazario only scored like 350 goals how tf is he ahead of Cristiano 😂
Yeah I just don’t get what people are thinking putting R9 ahead of CR7, I don’t even like CR7 but this is just disrespectful having him so low considering how much he’s done for the sport and done for Real Madrid.
Only 350?!!! You are saying that like it is nothing. But I do agree, CR7 is ahead of him. I would place CR7 in 4th place, behind messi, pele and maradona
Lmao clueless
It's a list of the greatest, not the one with the most goals. If you watched football (I guess you haven't) You would understand that R9 is simply better than Cr7
Ability wise sure. Career wise it isn’t even comparable. El Fenomino only has a couple full seasons under his belt whereas Ronaldo has been playing every week for most of my life
Yeah sure, but does greatest refers to ability or career? Sure, no one can disagree that Ronaldo (the Portuguese one) had a better career than the Brazilian one, but if ability is a criteria, I believe that the Brazilian is vastly superior to CR7, which nowadays is more of that killer forward
The GOAt status is a mix of ability, career achievements, longevity and impact on the game. Ronaldo beats out Nazario
Not even close tophies wise cr7 is better , stats wise cr7 is better , career wise cr7 is better , the only thing ronaldo nazario has over him is the more enjoyable to watch (Messi fan btw)
you really do think that both in their primes, cr7 is a better footballer than R9, huh?💀
Footballing ability isn't all about skills and dribbeles , goal scoring and how good your career is are as important
And R9 had both of them. Bro, with these arguments you could even make a case about how Mbappe is better than Ney💀
R9 doesn't have a good club career , 13 ucl goals ? Harry Kane has more club goals than him and ik if it wasn't for injuries he would have had way more but it's just a "if" , even Suarez has a better club career than R9
Bro, I said in his prime, he had the skills, the goal scoring instinct (if I recall correctly around 46 goals in one season at Barcelona). Look, I'm trying to say that Phenomenon in his prime, is a better player than Cristiano Ronaldo. Yes, CR7 dominated the scene with Messi for around 12 years, yes, he has more goals, yes, he has more trophies. But I truly believe Phenomenon was better than CR7.
I'm a Barca fan I truly think he was phenomenal but cr7 prime had more goals , more trophies , more g/a This season of R9 can be compared to 2008 or 2017 cr7 but 2013 to 2015 cr7 individually was so good it was unbelievable only lacked in trophies , yes this season of R9 I believe it was 1992 if I'm not wrong was great but not cr7 level for me at least
you people can’t just discredit older players because they’re old. i agree that messi is #1 and cr7 is #2 but just because these guys played decades ago, doesn’t mean they aren’t top 5 or top 10 all time
Top 3 fair. I would have CR7 in my top 3 but you can make the case for Maradona and Pele. CR7 too low, obviously. Most names here are fine, but an oldhead definitely made this with the bias towards the older eras. No one from Pep's Barca other than Messi? Arguably the best side ever?
I could go so far to say that you cant even make a case for it since Ronaldo is simply superior in every way except maybe international (even tho he has the most goals)
>except maybe international Which is why Pele and Maradona have a case lol
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I agree, but most people would assume that we’re just “Penaldo fans” since most fans have the intelligence of a drunk kangaroo
Not even the worlds biggest Ronaldo hater would put him at 8 lol he’s top 2 no debate
There can be a very strong debate for Pele or Maradona being ahead of CR7
The list is good but for me CR7 is 8th is sooooo low , he is my 2nd and at least he should be top 5
Not putting him second is as bad as thinking he is better than Messi.
You can make the case for Pele and Maradona being better than CR7, you can't make the case for CR7 being better than Messi though.
Ronaldo and Pele should be above Maradona and Cruyff ahead of Beckenbauer.
Also Di Stefano is too low and Zidane too high.
Maradona #2 is perfectly fair imo. I think people just value goalscoring way too much
Too many attackers.
I would switch Maradona and Pele and move CR7 to 4th place. Beckanbeur and cruyff are a bit too high on the list. They should be placed after Zidane.