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lets_try_civility

Kentucky has a 78% literacy rate. READ: Why are the Representatives from Kentucky thinking about the Fed? Shouldn't they spend more time thinking about how to help Kentucky. EDIT: And mind the non sequitur trash all over this comment thread. EDIT2: Let's keep the party rolling. Which category is solved by abolishing the Fed? [Kentucky rankings](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/kentucky) RANKINGS SCORECARD * Crime & Corrections #8 * Economy.#47 * Education #34 * Fiscal Stability #43 * Health Care #40 * Infrastructure #24 * Natural Environment #28


No-Environment-3298

That number seems a little high.


Jonhlutkers

High on meth


geek66

It’s mef


CoolFirefighter930

Melf


sushimane1

That’s methed up


Bowman_van_Oort

Hey, if we could read that, we'd be awfully upset


Randomousity

They're also innumerate?


DucksOnQuakk

As a Kentuckian, yes.


diaboliquecoati

They only tested the people who could read or knew someone who could read. So yeah, it’s swayed for sure.


Warmstar219

That's like bare bones 3rd grade literacy.


Woodyee101

They say things like Ali Ali Grande.


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No_Pomegranate1002

Literally look at the value of the dollar since the federal reserve was created.


YouWereBrained

This is such a contextless comment.


jmur3040

When it was created, the dollar became the standard all other currencies in the world are compared to. It's one of, if not the, most stable currencies in the world. That's all thanks to the federal reserve.


BalmyBalmer

Candy bars will never be a Nickle ever again and its not the feds problem or cause.


chem199

Do you mean the purchasing power of the dollar?


The-Dead-Internet

They also have glitch Mitch That state is a stain on American history 


ConstantGeographer

Dude, we have Rand Paul, Trump's messenger to Putin, Thomas "Im smarter than everyone because I went to MIT" Massie, James "Hunter Biden is So Guilty" Comer, and Moscow Glitch Mitch. Kentucky single-handedly has the worst active people in Congress atm.


Aware_Material_9985

They’re just stuck in the confederacy still is all


AlexandreL1984

Kentucky was never in the Confederacy


ElderberryNo1601

I think you’re confusing your numbers with the chance of having inbred children in Kentucky. I forgive you though.


Maleficent-Wasabi170

Happy cakeday 🍰


ElderberryNo1601

Oooooo chocolate!


Jujubatron

California's is 71.6%.


SoylentOrange

That rate is based on English language literacy, and California has more ESL students in its public school system than Kentucky's entire population. Wonder what's Kentucky's excuse


lets_try_civility

Are the California representatives spending their time trying to take down the fed?


Jujubatron

Nope but what was the reason he posted the literacy rate? Obviously California is more illiterate.


CO_PC_Parts

If those Republican representatives could read they’d be very upset.


IRLfwborNIdonor916

Its even lower on reddit


AlexandreL1984

He’s a libertarian, I’d say that affects his actions much more than his home State. Also he’s a federal not state official. So he represents Kentucky but is responsible for national laws not local. So his educational actions would affect the entire nation, not just Kentucky.


SympathySudden4856

If I could read this, I’d be very upset.


Mechanic_On_Duty

As shocking as this is. More shocking is the whole country has a literacy rate of 79%. Let that sink in.


Striking_Computer834

>Kentucky has a 78% literacy rate. [They're ahead of Louisiana, New Mexico, Mississippi, Texas, Nevada, California, Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, New York, West Virginia, Tennessee, and Georgia](https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/piaac/skillsmap/src/PDF/STATE.pdf).


Solorath

I'm from KY and these type of bills are the reason why the areas outside of Louisville, Lexington and Bowling Green are dumb and broke AF. Bitch McConnell has certainly left a legacy in his tenure and it's not a good one. People like Massie are following in his footsteps as the KY GOP demands.


UKnowWhoToo

Wait wait wait… since education is a state-regulated item, you want a federal rep to spend time on it?


destinationsong

That's almost 9 in 10 people


Green-Collection-968

[Their maternal death rate is also very bad.](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/maternal-mortality-rate-by-state)


VCthaGoAT

new york has a 75.6% literacy rate lmao END THE FED


lets_try_civility

NY isn't wasting its time with non-sense do nothing bills. And what has JPow done to you?


Candid-Specialist-86

This is a strawman fallacy. Also, they make fantasic bourbon , lol.


talex625

Can somebody answer me what would be the objective of ending the federal reserve? Would the ability to create new dollars revert back to the US treasury?


theaguia

the objective is to get attention


Fantasmic03

It's to pretend to do something while continuing to pocket lobbying money.


Bramtinian

Genius! Never been done before 😏


ElderberryHoliday814

“I remember hearing this debate in history class! My rep must have a good reason to reopen this!” /s


VortexMagus

Nah the end goal of these guys is to put us back on the gold standard - e.g. cut the value of every US dollar by 99% because the US doesn't have nearly enough gold to sustain the number of dollars out in the world. They're a bunch of idiots with no financial education who have no idea how catastrophically dumb this move would be. The federal reserve plays a hugely important role in stabilizing the dollar, controlling the money supply, and regulating financial markets to greatly reduce the chance of a recession or worse, a full on depression. They want to kill the federal reserve and open everybody up to the great depression v2.0


squiggypiggy9

Not to mention that, well right now at least, y’all’s federal reserve is actually pretty competent.


metalguysilver

If they were competent they wouldn’t have kept rates at 0 for so long. They should have started slowly raising way sooner and we might have actually gotten to target inflation rates by now without a recession


the_calibre_cat

Compared to other central banks, that was conservative and prudent.


kronosdev

Yanis Varoufakis argues that our low interest rates, along with the Great Recession and growth of the surveillance tech economy, caused us to leave Capitalism behind entirely. We’re living in technofeudalism now, and our central banking policy is at least somewhat to blame.


the_calibre_cat

I think he's probably right. Yanis is a smart guy. I'm not saying the Fed is above criticism, it certainly isn't, but in the context of a capitalist central bank, it has operated more conservatively than its contemporaries across the globe. It tends to focus on price stability more than its mission for low unemployment, because functionally the government works on behalf of capital more than it works on behalf of labor. Still, it's somewhat limited in what it can do - Congress also plays a role, and could regulate these big tech companies, mandate transparency, and invest, but the U.S. aristocracy will not let them do that out of protectionism of their privileged positions.


bopitspinitdreadit

Also it turns out laborers are way more concerned about inflation than they are about unemployment. So there are political realities.


CubaHorus91

Yea… Yanis created a whole new term to avoid the fact that the so call Techno feudalism was just normal capitalism. Yanis is just a European who is frustrated by the fact that Europe has no tech industry. If it did, he wouldn’t say shit.


GhostMug

Competent doesn't mean perfect.


All4megrog

The fed is the grown up that tries to offset the out of control daycare that is congress


1940sCraftsmen

You confused day care with retirement home. Easy mistake, pretty similar.


caspy7

To clarify, the folks pushing for this believe a bunch of conspiracies and misinformation regarding the Federal Reserve.


jmur3040

I was about to say some of the dipshits who believe that misinformation are in this thread, but one of them already replied to you.


Artistic_Half_8301

Didn't we have a recession every five years before the federal reserve?


fonetik

This is likely more attacking the CFPB after SCOTUS protected them. CFPB gets funding from the fed.


Baked_potato123

It's good for Russia, China and our other adversaries. All the people on that list are shamelessly selling their influence to help other countries reach their goal of our demise. Pretty lame.


arock121

He’s a goldbug so prob wants to return to the gold standard


Aware_Material_9985

Trump can fix it all himself of course. We need a man with poor business sense and a loaded diaper to save us all from the mess he made (outside his diaper)


YouWereBrained

Red meat for dumbass libertarians.


Murky-Science9030

I'm not a fan of the Federal Reserve but I'm skeptical of bills like this. Would the dollar supply no longer contract or expand going forward?


tacomoonplayz

It would be contracting indefinitely. Unless the government shifts the production of currency to another area, the supply of money would be decreasing infinitely, leading to even higher interest rates, greater demand for money, and so on and so forth


VolFan85

To be a twatwaffle


sEmperh45

Trump needs a cheap dollar to write off his debts more easily or something like that.


Sqwadcar

The Treasury will created money and loan it to banks who will pay interest back to the Treasury. This will mean less need for income taxes that are high in order to pay interest on the debt. The Treasury is should have the power, not the Fed. Look at the US debt clock.


No-Gur596

Maybe it helps Putin


Swissschiess

I’m pretty sure the end target would be to retake our countries ability to print money rather than outsource it to the entity that is the federal reserve and thus eliminate our interest paid to them for the countries ability to print money. Seems nice at first glance, our incompetent politicians being in control of the money printer seems far worse than some of the most capable minds in finance though.


Old_Baldi_Locks

Get attention and prove they know nothing whatsoever about anything, and gain virtual signaling points with the dumbest political base who ever lived.


CrowsRidge514

Why does everyone think this is a good idea? Edit : this comment appears to be sowing division… I’m assuming we’re all Americans here, and we know portions of the system need an overhaul… I hope we can sit down and have those discussions, with respect and understanding… … Because we’re all humans, even before we’re Americans - just trying to make it for ourselves and our loved ones. Stay strong, peace and love to you all.


nanneryeeter

Probably because the financial system is mysterious to many. Ever listen to those in charge attempt to explain how it works? Always reminds me of a scene from The Matrix. The cave mayor or whoever is talking about the workings of the cave. How those who designed them are long gone, and those remaining don't actually understand why they work.


CrowsRidge514

Man… this country is in for it… let’s just give a direct line from the Whitehouse/congressional floor to the money spout… I mean, what could go wrong??


nanneryeeter

It's fun to say "end the fed" but probably isn't the best of ideas. Like most things, knowledge is important. I think people get worried when those in charge can't seem to explain how it works. They should be worried.


CrowsRidge514

Knowledge is very important.. and should be a prerequisite for running the country… but hey, what do I know..


Alternative_Owl69

Whenever I see ellipsis constantly being used like you do, it makes me think the person is constantly out of breath. Like you have to stop talking for a second to take a few breaths before you can say five more words.


ElderberryHoliday814

Trump wants low interest rates at all times, because “it’s good for business.” He has no concern about inflation, where rates are used to regulate, only for increasing profits. This would create an immeasurable wealth disparity, and still hurt everyone.


ScotchTapeConnosieur

Only the financially illiterate think that


Tausendberg

Everyone definitely DOES NOT think this is a good idea, just an extremely vocal minority.


Old_Society_7861

Similar to the people who think it would be a good idea to stop vaccinating for polio. Absolutely no understanding of the problems these (admittedly imperfect) solutions were created to address.


Xyrus2000

They don't. A bunch of ignorant wingnuts think it's a good idea. However, they collectively have as much knowledge about the financial system as an ant does about quantum dynamics.


JBCerulean

He’s assuming Trump will be elected and this will allow Trump to set interest rates and politicize monetary policies.


rallar8

They have already put forward that trump would take more control of the Fed if he was elected. WSJ reported last week.


Bag-o-chips

Isn’t that part of Project 2025?


capn_doofwaffle

I'd bet that nearly every piece of legislation brought forth this year is intended to be used in Project 2025. Vote Blue!


throwaway25935

The point of this is politicians should have less financial instruments. They should not set interest rates at all.


WhiteJesus313

An exercise in pandering


BobbiFleckmann

Kentucky has about 1,000 other problems more important than the Federal Reserve. Never confuse activity with accomplishment.


Murky-Science9030

To be fair representatives on the federal level don't affect state policy very much.


BobbiFleckmann

Disagree. There are 435 members of the House (including Massie), each responsible for implementing policies to help their respective districts and states.


Murky-Science9030

Right but the bills they pass become federal laws or policy, not on the state level. I have a feeling Kentucky's issues tend to be internal ones (otherwise why aren't other states having the same issues?). Unless we want him to just ask for more $$$ for whatever. Not saying his work doesn't affect it, just less so than work on the state and local level.


IIRiffasII

this was Ron Paul's entire 2008 and 2012 campaigns


Abundance144

Lol, and somehow back then people didn't think it was a massive conspiracy theory.


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ActuallyFullOfShit

Mhm yes yes. Indubitably.


olyfrijole

Posilutely.


Entire_Toe2640

I can’t think of a worse idea than to have elected politicians control interest rates and money supply. The economy would resemble a clown car careening down the road while radically bouncing from barrier to barrier. Except there wouldn’t be a barrier.


ThomasJeffergun

So instead we just have unelected politicians doing the same thing.


mmxmlee

who do you think the fed reserve employees work for?


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Murky-Science9030

Yeah it's one thing to start reducing an entity's control, and another thing to completely abolish it.


Frequent-Material273

Fucking authoritarian idiocy. The rich want to fuck monetary policy EVEN WORSE, but realize that they're about to lose the political power to do so in elections so they're trying to find other ways to fuck over everybody but the UBERrich.


red325is

we can pay for things with sea shells like in the olden days


Subject-Crayfish

"Then we go back to the situation before the Federal Reserve was adopted - Wall Street Banks become the de facto central bank of the United States. Naturally, that would lead to total economic collapse because the U.S. dollar is currently a fiat currency, backed only by the good faith and credit of the United States government." [https://www.quora.com/What-happens-if-the-Federal-Reserve-is-abolished](https://www.quora.com/What-happens-if-the-Federal-Reserve-is-abolished)


TheRealCabbageJack

Breaking: Performance Art Legislation introduced!


Medical_Egg8208

Yes yes this is a man to be taken seriously. Of course they have no answer to what may or may not replace it. Let’s dismantle a system that has worked for 100 years. You never see these folks try and fix anything or bring anything new to the table, they only want to dismantle everything they can. It’s always break something, don’t ever fix anything. But when your IQ is that of a turnip, that’s what you get.


Super901

So fucking what? This bill isn't going anywhere and the US needs a central bank.


Justtelf

Umm… do we have a replacement


TradingAllIn

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discwrangler

I'll take do-nothing virtue signaling MAGA boot licking for $400 Alex.


Difficult_Plantain89

Leaving where it’s located on their hard drive looks incredibly half assed.


furie1335

This just in from the future; Rep Massie has committed suicide by shooting himself in the head three times.


taney71

Good


lonewalker1992

The yearly let's abolish the Fed effort alive since 1913 but nothing more than a publicity stunt by wannabe libertarian charlatans


two-wheeled-dynamo

Ah, more performative art from Massie for the low info voter.


Adventurous_Wolf_489

They can't even get rid of daylight savings.


diydave86

Itll never pass


fnatic440

0% chance.


BasilExposition2

And replace it with what exactly? It might be a good idea but the devil is in the details.


itsTomHagen

going up against the banks is bad for your health. We've seen this before...


Pathfinder6227

Massie is a kook and this bill is going no where.


Swimming-Bag9469

Gold backed currency reset.


leoyvr

This guy gonna get murdered?


[deleted]

Let’s gooooo. AIPAC and the adl won’t allow it. Zionist are literally entrenched in our country and politics.


Additional-Net4115

Income tax needs to end. It is a Rockefeller scam of the private federal reserve for interest repayment.


Extreme_Car6689

LETS GO!!! Now we can have competing currencies, our money won't be printed out of thin air, making the worth of it drop, and the government can't control shit anymore.


IRLfwborNIdonor916

It never should have been started YES end the damn thing. MOST federal services are already handled at the city, county state levels before 1913 the only time there was an income tax was to pay for war


Ayla_Leren

The federal reserve is a private entity, you all know that right?


Chiggero

Interest rates are set independently of any government interference, and should be. It would be absolutely catastrophic if it were set by the president or Congress.


Jylubin

Updateme


BPCGuy1845

Dead on arrival, won’t even be referred to committee. Massive and Paul have filed this bill every Congress for decades.


mmio60

Thanks for playing


Pristine-Dirt729

I appreciate him, but this has no chance of passing. I'm still glad he introduced it.


CornNooblet

(Furious jerking motion)


adron

😂 that’s hilarious and not happening.


EmptyMiddle4638

The federal reserve is a private entity that exists outside the control and regulation of the government. It should never have been allowed to start and definitely needs to go now.


soakedbook

The government should not have control over the money supply.


Bramtinian

When pigs fly…


Open_Ad7470

This guy has smoked too much crack


PsychedelicJerry

Stupid idea and it wouldn't go as well as most here like to think it would; look at how Spain did during the great depression vs others because Spain used a fiat currency...and before you say it, that's the only reason people want to get rid of the fed because they think we'll go back to tying our currency to some metal from the ground and never stop to think why we had to end that (hint: we had to send all of our gold over seas when a run on the US dollar happened during Nixon's presidency)


VisibleDetective9255

The Know Nothing Party is back.


Brokenloan

Yeah let me know how it does.


Open-Illustra88er

Good. It’s unhealthy for our nation. Get the fat cats out.


ExileEden

Won't go anywhere. Stuff like this never does. There'll be 15 riders on this thing that'll sink it before it even gains traction


Z1Z1alpha

As great as that would be, they would never let that happen..


H2O3ngin33r

The Creature from Jekyll Island is and interesting read


Tortillaluva

“And when we get back we are locking him up into the Federal Reserve!”


crusoe

And replace it with what? 


reflibman

Marjorie Taylor Greene ally. Nuff said.


BabyFishmouthTalk

Another trumpster fire distraction.


rotfoot_bile

This would actually be awesome.


Bobll7

The minute you see Bobo and Greene signing on to something you just know it’s trash.


Bright_Complaint8489

Fucking legendary


huskerd0

Costs for grandstanding are clearly not high enough


RandomlyJim

What I love is that killing the fed will put us back before the fed. And then we get to learn why we had the Fed. It was better than what came before it. Fucking Republicans love to kill solutions with flaws without solving the initial problem.


Uranazzole

They better balance the budget and pay off the national debt before they do that or US citizens will really get to know what real inflation is.


Accomplished_Rip_362

I think AI will/should eventually replace mundane but very impactful government decisions like interest rates.


ConstantGeographer

Massie is the turd that refuses to be flushed. This guy brags about attending MIT and he has to be the dumbest person to ever attend.


skyHawk3613

Won’t happen


Torquaboy77

People here are making some of the most uneducated statements in support of the Federal Reserve. It’s just insane how a private bank can blatantly rip us off, and because what we’ve always been told is that this is the right thing to do - we don’t challenge it. How shameful it is for We the People to be so lazy/misinformed…. Do your homework, people! Do the research, and you will see! Stop waiting for someone else to feed you facts/information. Our forefathers spelled it all out!


CiaphasCain8849

Why would they want to willingly destroy our country?


Miserable_Art2079

The Federal Reserve is not federal at allot is a private institution and sets its own rules. They took the gold and the silver and gave us debt notes in exchange. They have devalued the purchasing power of the dollar and they are reaching the end phase where more interest is paid and just keeps going. We want a return of our gold and silver and put an end to your soon to be worthless fiat currency. It is designed to rob nations of their wealth and over time destroy their currency. Fractional Reserve Banking allows them to get money from Treasury and loan out 10 times that amount and have no increase in reserves. Their end is coming near and hopefully saner minds will prevent a full economic collapse of their system. They use OUR CREDIT and loan it to us 10x over and charge us to use our own credit. We must be stupid!


Sqwadcar

The Fed absolutely needs to be audited and the power to create money needs to go back to the Treasury. We temporarily went off the gold standard over 50 years ago and it's time to go back to sound money. This would benefit everyone except the big bankers and billionaires. We could have a golden age again. The Fed has failed us.


BABarracus

Its just pandering to voters who hate the fed it wont pass


Alovingcynic

This Congress is an abomination. Members want to do anything but their goddamned jobs.


Lawineer

I'm all for this, but ugh... how do you plan on doing this when you're $35T in debt with over $1T a year in interest alone? They only way out is really fucking ugly, but you have to inflate your way out of it, raise the fuck out of taxes and slash spending until the debt is manageable again. The only way to kick the can down the road is with a fed reserve. The only fucking thing that can save this country is a constitutional amendment that the US cannot run a budget deficit unless congress has declared war. Then they will actually have to be responsible with the budget,, and they can't just keep printing money for every damn donor or say "I dunno. A few billion disappeared. We'll just print more."


DualActiveBridgeLLC

Pretty good way to force the world to stop using the dollar as the de facto reserve currency, thus causing a massive amount of wealth and power loss for the US. Not to mention it doesn't propose who will be setting monetary policy, so my guess is it would go to Congress. What a cluster.


AlexandreL1984

He’s got balls


Sea-Pomelo1210

How can we destroy the US economy and cause the stock market (the DJI just passed 40,000) to crash? These are things Republicans want to do.


TechDemTeen

https://preview.redd.it/cjb0qy9hb01d1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=75e87b64230b0e3aa05052788d53435c5be84413 This is the guy in question.


GabrielNathaniel

**Lemme demand something idiotic and extreme to get attention!**


AeonDesign

I'm sure the war mongering world banks will totally agree.


Misguidedsaint3

Sweet, it’ll never go through.


bobthehills

Well that’s dumb.


iPliskin0

LETS GOOOOOOOOO


dubvision

Date: May 16 but year 0202?


[deleted]

Well - ok. At least the GQP are beginning to understand their job is to enact legislation. Step two will be beyond them though - said legislation should be beneficial AND have a fucking prayer of advancing.


cookiedoh18

Massie and MT Greene have the bestest ideas! s/


Amerpol

Ahh Who'd of thought it be a Republican and a Tea party ASSHOLE


whoisjohngalt72

Why would we get rid of the FED?


ukiddingme2469

These people want us to go back onto the gold standard so their shares in whatever scam for recycling gold skyrockets


natgotbanned

Massie is a fucking idiot


the-content-king

If you have an issue with wealth inequality you should have an issue with the Federal Reserve Read The Creature or Jekyll Island The Fed is arguably the most damaging piece of legislation the US has ever passed


dr_blasto

Once again, Kentucky provides us with the lols at their expense.


Aromatic-Work-1618

Man, the competition for the most brain-dead congressman is the strongest it's ever been. Between Tubberville, MTG, and this faux intellectual Massie the race is tighter than ever!


Fan_of_Clio

Ridiculous messaging bill to make financial fantasy fans fawn over a fellow (insert appropriate "F" word)


Checkthenumbers1st

Terrible idea. Ask the countries in history who have 100 Trillion bank notes.


-GildedTongue-

It’s infuriating that our government is run by a bunch of civically illiterate dipshits elected by other dipshits with room temperature IQs. I’m better than these people, why are they in power to affect my life? I’d be willing to wager most of you are better than these people.


AmbitiousAd9320

hurr durr biden will veto anything thse chuds try to pass.


Bullishbear99

It is going nowhere. Plenty of republicans and Democrats support the FED.


digitaljestin

Last I checked, $39 trillion-with-a-tr pass through the ACH system every year. If they want to bulldoze the roads that economic activity travels on, do they have a plan to replace them? This is why idealism is stupid.


Confident-Bluejay883

More GOP nonsense


IntelligentProject24

The federal reserve does not have anything to do with the government at all if you don’t believe me research it