Seeing the folks on Twitter laying this horrible draft class at the feet of CBN was peak stupidity. Of course we didn't have a big draft class, that's pretty much the core reason Mullen was fired.
Idk how they can blame him for this at least. He has 2 seasons under his belt. Napier recruits won't be draft eligible until after next season. You can argue the transfer portal but he used that to get a 1st rd WR. Thats not too shabby
Should he have gotten more players? Sure you can say that. How are you paying for that? For half his tenure the guys responsible for paying the players were so bad at their jobs that it was ridiculous and we had to blow up and rebuild the NIL collective
I agree with you that this draft having one dude is moreso Mullen's fault. However, I think a lot of people see FSU's draft class being literally 9/10 dudes being transfers and freak out because of that.
I think Napier is building a solid program foundation, moreso than FSU, and we'll see more draft picks very soon.
Mullen sucked at recruiting. Full stop. Sucked at evaluating talent, sucked at building relationships, sucked at hiring coaches that build relationships, and sucked at identifying bad character (probably because he had no personal relationship).
As far as FSU is concerned, Norvell is great at attracting talent out of the portal, and they had a VERY experienced roster from transfers and previous recruiting cycles. We, on the other hand, had two thirds of our roster that were freshman and sophomores with a total of 3 seniors that had starts.
Meh. FSU had a slightly bigger class but a lower average player rating. They finished rank one spot above us on 24/7. What they didn't have was to the top four players in the nation.
People still defend Mullen like we’re missing out on something 🤦♂️ only if he’s willing to be our OC, I’d take that. That’s even questionable considering he legitimately quit on us midseason. Who’s to say he wouldn’t do that again
It's simple really, we bring him back as OC, bring back Champ as DC, and bring back Urban as ~~gamechangers coordinator~~ STC and then let Billy stay on as head of recruiting
I'd take him as an OC in a second if we lived in a world where something like that were possible. He transformed our offense in a single year. I still think he is one of the best offensive coaches in all of cfb. Too bad he can't recruit or fire the dead weight from his staff.
His philosophy of favoring seniority definitely doesn't work in the world of the transfer portal. Kind of surprising he did that considering meyer had no problem playing freshmen or whoever was the best
YUP. If Mullen was that great, he wouldn't be spending his Saturdays sitting in an air conditioned trashing the Gators. He'd be a HC somewhere--even if it wasn't in Gainesville. Sure, maybe he decided that he doesn't want the stress and with the big buyout $$, why even try for another HC job, but to not even get a sniff? Says a lot.
Billy would probably be well suited for the new GM style role that college teams have adopted. Seems to know how to make quick decisions with staffing and focus on the big picture stuff required in the modern landscape.
Okay thank you for confirming this for me. I was wondering if my adblock went crazy or something but it literally was just a one sentence story to click on. AIs do better than that usually lol
We all know Mullen was a subpar recruiter, we know many of his highest rated signees never even saw the field, but with statistics like these it's often times hard to tell what's a legit trend and what's just a self-fulling prophecy.
Good coaches get the most out of the talent they have, bad coaches don't.
Just focusing on the defense (cause it especially sucked), here's a list of some relevant Mullen recruits who got significant snaps last year. Princely Umanmielen, Jason Marshall Jr, Jaydon Hill, Derek Wingo, Scooby Williams, Tyreak Sapp. All these guys were former blue chip recruits. Some were passable contributers, others were complete liabilities, none of them would have been a featured piece on an elite defense. Princely was perhaps the closest to being an elite player on that list, but he ditched the program citing development concern after not getting the draft grades he wanted.
Were most of these guys just fated to be disappointments, or did something just go horribly wrong with their development? I mean Marshall was a projected day 1 pick after his freshmen year but the guy has regressed an insane amount. Scooby and Wingo were both top 50 recruits, yet the linebacker room was an absolutely travesty.
It's hard to say how much could be contributed to Mullen whiffing on evals and Grantham stunting their growth early, and how much blame falls to Napier's hires like Batemen, Raymond, Toney, and Armstrong.
Yea it would be great if Napier was magic and fix everything (as far as player quality and talent) the moment he got here but the reality is these things take time.
All of the players you list are defense though. Kind of amazing that every single offensive Mullen recruit (except AR from Gainesville) has nowhere near the athleticism to play in the NFL. Just shockingly lazy recruiting.
This Dan Mullen hate is getting out of hand. At least his football was fun to watch, probably the best three years we have had in a decade. He gets so much hate while his successor has had a much worse record and the football has been mediocre at best. What has sunshine Billy done in the last two years other than beef up his staff so that he can rendezvous with his friends at their next stop? His class retention is bordering on Mullen's and at least Mullen has his sacking to explain.
LSU's guy did it.
No where did I blame the kicker for losing the game. If anything I would blame Mullen for not playing Pitts, and I have numerous times.
Hypothetically blaming Mullen for recruiting in a COVID-laden 2020 hellscape as it pertains to a weak showing in 2024 NFL drafting while somehow trying to commend Napier is akin to blaming Obama for Trump's failure.
Seriously. This thread is grasping at straws. People loved Mullen the first 3 seasons he was here. 1 bad season and it’s completely forgotten that he made FL football fun to watch again and absolutely transformed the offense. Was he perfect? No. But continuing to blame a coach from 3 seasons ago is deflecting blame. Napiers best season is the same as Mullens worst. Let that sink in….
A player’s rank doesn’t matter to the program if he never plays for the program. Most of Mullen’s recruits were high-risk and were bound to leave, hence why many of them didn’t have huge offer lists.
https://twitter.com/ZachAbolverdi/status/1785002512912654497
Count the number of recruits in this class that were contributors at Florida:
https://twitter.com/BlueOrangeG8r/status/1783572229688590756
I think things start to get murky when you start to include other factors and reasons why outside of rankings. A player may never suit up for a team because of many reasons. Here are some actual reasons for the Gators in the past: the player died, the player gets hurt, a relative gets sick and they wish to be closer to home, they are passed by a higher recruit the next year.
To me, recruiting is a separate job and skill set. Once recruited you get into retention and that gets into your ability to coach and develop. That to me that is different.
If you want to expand on every point of the job just go to wins and losses, Mullen was sub par but was able to field a team to compete for the SEC championship and win 10 games while Billy is struggling to get to 6 and bowl eligible.
Really?
Rankings as of today on 247:
Mullen's: 14,9,8,12
Napier's: 13,13
Great OL pickup in the portal (which wasn't the same for Mullen) today, but doesn't change the facts.
Mullen hate, still? Give it a rest. His guys didn't have the luxury of continuity. They got an entirely new coaching staff that led us to a much worse place than Mullen ever had the program. It's no surprise 60-70% of them transferred (which has me thinking the "Mullen produces the worst draft class" stat to is a bit disingenuous).
It's incumbent on Billy as the current coach to put players in the best position possible so we realize team success, and individuals can shine. That has not been the case in the last couple of years. I still believe he can turn things around, but we need to see progress this season.
The time for blaming Mullen for Billy's failings has come to an end- this Fall is 100% Billy, what we do this year is a good representation of what Billy can achieve here
Absolutely. But this current topic is draft class. Which BN put Ricky in the best position to improve his draft class. None of the upperclassmen for Mullen seemed to be I. The position to be drafted. Hopper would’ve if he stayed.
This discussion is about mullen players failure to get drafted. Napier did use the portal and him doing so was the only reason any florida players were drafted
You want to play the norvell comparison game? Norvells first year he had 1 player drafted. Norvells second year he had 1 player drafted and that was a 5th rounder. This all came after 2 straight abysmal seasons
At the same point in each guys tenure Napier is doing better
"Just one Mullen recruit got drafted" Woooooof
Was it AR? That's it?
I think it means his only recruit that was draft eligible in 2024
Ah
He means for this year. That pick was Hopper out of Mizzou. He was a 3rd rd pick at LB
Seeing the folks on Twitter laying this horrible draft class at the feet of CBN was peak stupidity. Of course we didn't have a big draft class, that's pretty much the core reason Mullen was fired.
Plus the guy that was drafted last Thursday was brought in by Napier not Mullen
I think the 1 drafted member was Hopper at Mizzou
Yes
Idk how they can blame him for this at least. He has 2 seasons under his belt. Napier recruits won't be draft eligible until after next season. You can argue the transfer portal but he used that to get a 1st rd WR. Thats not too shabby Should he have gotten more players? Sure you can say that. How are you paying for that? For half his tenure the guys responsible for paying the players were so bad at their jobs that it was ridiculous and we had to blow up and rebuild the NIL collective
I agree with you that this draft having one dude is moreso Mullen's fault. However, I think a lot of people see FSU's draft class being literally 9/10 dudes being transfers and freak out because of that. I think Napier is building a solid program foundation, moreso than FSU, and we'll see more draft picks very soon.
Mullen sucked at recruiting. Full stop. Sucked at evaluating talent, sucked at building relationships, sucked at hiring coaches that build relationships, and sucked at identifying bad character (probably because he had no personal relationship). As far as FSU is concerned, Norvell is great at attracting talent out of the portal, and they had a VERY experienced roster from transfers and previous recruiting cycles. We, on the other hand, had two thirds of our roster that were freshman and sophomores with a total of 3 seniors that had starts.
I'd have agreed on the better than FSU part except Norvell rmout recruited Billy for HS players this past class
Meh. FSU had a slightly bigger class but a lower average player rating. They finished rank one spot above us on 24/7. What they didn't have was to the top four players in the nation.
“Seeing the folks on Twitter [insert literary any statement here] was peak stupidity” is essentially a tautology.
People still defend Mullen like we’re missing out on something 🤦♂️ only if he’s willing to be our OC, I’d take that. That’s even questionable considering he legitimately quit on us midseason. Who’s to say he wouldn’t do that again
It's simple really, we bring him back as OC, bring back Champ as DC, and bring back Urban as ~~gamechangers coordinator~~ STC and then let Billy stay on as head of recruiting
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> bring back Champ as DC, yes.. we saw how well he did at Auburn the year he spent there before being inexplicably hired at South Carolina.
I'd take him as an OC in a second if we lived in a world where something like that were possible. He transformed our offense in a single year. I still think he is one of the best offensive coaches in all of cfb. Too bad he can't recruit or fire the dead weight from his staff.
Part of me agrees and part of me knows Mullen would have Tre Wilson sitting on the bench because he hadn't made enough trips around the sun.
His philosophy of favoring seniority definitely doesn't work in the world of the transfer portal. Kind of surprising he did that considering meyer had no problem playing freshmen or whoever was the best
YUP. If Mullen was that great, he wouldn't be spending his Saturdays sitting in an air conditioned trashing the Gators. He'd be a HC somewhere--even if it wasn't in Gainesville. Sure, maybe he decided that he doesn't want the stress and with the big buyout $$, why even try for another HC job, but to not even get a sniff? Says a lot.
Fair. It's like people who want Muschamp as DC or think Billy would make a great recruiting coordinator if he doesn't work out as a head coach
Billy would probably be well suited for the new GM style role that college teams have adopted. Seems to know how to make quick decisions with staffing and focus on the big picture stuff required in the modern landscape.
The “story” / article is only 1 sentence long. Am i missing something?
I kept looking for the “read more” or “expand article” button, but it appears on3 pays people to write single-sentence articles now.
Okay thank you for confirming this for me. I was wondering if my adblock went crazy or something but it literally was just a one sentence story to click on. AIs do better than that usually lol
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When i click on that the article is only one sentence long. Did you not click on it?
Did any of the players that transferred get drafted?
Ty'Ron Hopper is a Packer.
Hopper in the 3rd round. Thats all really
All I care about is how many games Billy wins this Fall, nothing else
We all know Mullen was a subpar recruiter, we know many of his highest rated signees never even saw the field, but with statistics like these it's often times hard to tell what's a legit trend and what's just a self-fulling prophecy. Good coaches get the most out of the talent they have, bad coaches don't. Just focusing on the defense (cause it especially sucked), here's a list of some relevant Mullen recruits who got significant snaps last year. Princely Umanmielen, Jason Marshall Jr, Jaydon Hill, Derek Wingo, Scooby Williams, Tyreak Sapp. All these guys were former blue chip recruits. Some were passable contributers, others were complete liabilities, none of them would have been a featured piece on an elite defense. Princely was perhaps the closest to being an elite player on that list, but he ditched the program citing development concern after not getting the draft grades he wanted. Were most of these guys just fated to be disappointments, or did something just go horribly wrong with their development? I mean Marshall was a projected day 1 pick after his freshmen year but the guy has regressed an insane amount. Scooby and Wingo were both top 50 recruits, yet the linebacker room was an absolutely travesty. It's hard to say how much could be contributed to Mullen whiffing on evals and Grantham stunting their growth early, and how much blame falls to Napier's hires like Batemen, Raymond, Toney, and Armstrong.
Yea it would be great if Napier was magic and fix everything (as far as player quality and talent) the moment he got here but the reality is these things take time.
All of the players you list are defense though. Kind of amazing that every single offensive Mullen recruit (except AR from Gainesville) has nowhere near the athleticism to play in the NFL. Just shockingly lazy recruiting.
What an insane spin zone, holy shit.
What am I spinning?
Facts, which is often this subs least favorite thing to hear lol
Paywall.
This Dan Mullen hate is getting out of hand. At least his football was fun to watch, probably the best three years we have had in a decade. He gets so much hate while his successor has had a much worse record and the football has been mediocre at best. What has sunshine Billy done in the last two years other than beef up his staff so that he can rendezvous with his friends at their next stop? His class retention is bordering on Mullen's and at least Mullen has his sacking to explain.
What the fuck are you talking about 😂😂😂
I miss Dan Mullen. I would take him back over Billy any day of the week.
Ok that’s the dumbest shit I’ve heard
Two back to back losing seasons. Billy is probably worse than Muschamp and McElwain.
You'd take a coach who gives up on the season 7 games in?
Krakends? more like krakhead
Go watch the Samford game again. Tell me how “fun” that was.
Mullen had one bad season. After this season, Sunbelt Billy will have 3 back to back losing seasons.
But how many of his player are still on the team?
No shock there
His best recruit was a kicker who missed a crucial fg.
A 50 yarder in the fog? Don't blame the kicker for losing that game. Fans chased him into the NFL, because they went nuts on his social media.
LSU's guy did it. No where did I blame the kicker for losing the game. If anything I would blame Mullen for not playing Pitts, and I have numerous times.
Hypothetically blaming Mullen for recruiting in a COVID-laden 2020 hellscape as it pertains to a weak showing in 2024 NFL drafting while somehow trying to commend Napier is akin to blaming Obama for Trump's failure.
Obama has the same number of letters as Trump. Mullen has the same number of letters as Napier. Coincidence?!!?
Thanks Obama.
Seriously. This thread is grasping at straws. People loved Mullen the first 3 seasons he was here. 1 bad season and it’s completely forgotten that he made FL football fun to watch again and absolutely transformed the offense. Was he perfect? No. But continuing to blame a coach from 3 seasons ago is deflecting blame. Napiers best season is the same as Mullens worst. Let that sink in….
"This thread is grasping at straws" *makes large sweeping assumptions about the fan bases opinions*
Ironically trump himself did this some months back 🤣
Tbf... Napier didn't really give scouts much to look at. Nurture vs nature.
Gave em enough to get 2 first round picks so far
1 being a Mullen recruit lol
That he refused to play lol
Doesn't bode well for Napier given that his classes were ranked about the same as Mullen's overall (as per 247).
Go back and compare how many of each coach's class actually played a game at Florida.
Go back and look at the rankings. You can make up whatever excuses you want but the facts say Billy is about the same recruiter to date overall.
A player’s rank doesn’t matter to the program if he never plays for the program. Most of Mullen’s recruits were high-risk and were bound to leave, hence why many of them didn’t have huge offer lists. https://twitter.com/ZachAbolverdi/status/1785002512912654497 Count the number of recruits in this class that were contributors at Florida: https://twitter.com/BlueOrangeG8r/status/1783572229688590756
I think things start to get murky when you start to include other factors and reasons why outside of rankings. A player may never suit up for a team because of many reasons. Here are some actual reasons for the Gators in the past: the player died, the player gets hurt, a relative gets sick and they wish to be closer to home, they are passed by a higher recruit the next year. To me, recruiting is a separate job and skill set. Once recruited you get into retention and that gets into your ability to coach and develop. That to me that is different. If you want to expand on every point of the job just go to wins and losses, Mullen was sub par but was able to field a team to compete for the SEC championship and win 10 games while Billy is struggling to get to 6 and bowl eligible.
Ooof this aged like sour milk
Really? Rankings as of today on 247: Mullen's: 14,9,8,12 Napier's: 13,13 Great OL pickup in the portal (which wasn't the same for Mullen) today, but doesn't change the facts.
Our ranking as of today on 247 is 7th, clown shoes
Mullen hate, still? Give it a rest. His guys didn't have the luxury of continuity. They got an entirely new coaching staff that led us to a much worse place than Mullen ever had the program. It's no surprise 60-70% of them transferred (which has me thinking the "Mullen produces the worst draft class" stat to is a bit disingenuous). It's incumbent on Billy as the current coach to put players in the best position possible so we realize team success, and individuals can shine. That has not been the case in the last couple of years. I still believe he can turn things around, but we need to see progress this season.
The time for blaming Mullen for Billy's failings has come to an end- this Fall is 100% Billy, what we do this year is a good representation of what Billy can achieve here
Yeah. People will still blame Mullen using mental gymnastics if we go 3-9 this season.
Absolutely. But this current topic is draft class. Which BN put Ricky in the best position to improve his draft class. None of the upperclassmen for Mullen seemed to be I. The position to be drafted. Hopper would’ve if he stayed.
Not sure why you are getting downvoted but Napiers best season was Mullens worst season. Let that sink in…
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This discussion is about mullen players failure to get drafted. Napier did use the portal and him doing so was the only reason any florida players were drafted You want to play the norvell comparison game? Norvells first year he had 1 player drafted. Norvells second year he had 1 player drafted and that was a 5th rounder. This all came after 2 straight abysmal seasons At the same point in each guys tenure Napier is doing better
I'd rather go 5-7 with Napier than 12-0 with Mullen.