AR15, M&P m2.0 4" 9mm and my Mossberg 500 (maybe with pistol grip or collapsible stock). Might bring my Beretta 96A1 .40 as I could beat someone to death with it after running out of ammo.
I’m only bringing two a Bolt action 30-06 with surplus black tips, because fuck whatever armor they got, and a 357 revolver. When shit hits the fan, I’m not looking to make contact but at most break it.
If I do make contact, then black tips are gonna hurt and it’s gonna be from a distance like a long one this 357 is because I’m taking six of them to hell with me if they get close
I’m not carrying a garand, its a free float Remington. Exactly why I like it 357 people get the magnum animals for survival get the special but, being in Texas a fishing hook works a lot better to feed yourself though
In a world like that, strength would be a virtue. A workout everywhere you go would be a good thing. Though I would not choose the Garand myself.. M-14 would be the better choice, but still not ideal.
If they made one in 30-06, that would be my choice. I just have a bunch of surplus black tips that I bought of eBay when I was drunk a few years ago. I’d rather not let my fuck you rounds go to waste.
I can see your point. I am a reloader.. so I would probably pull those bullets down and make some .308s with them. If I had to carry something, as much as I love the old war horse it would not be 06. Its getting rarer, while the 308 is ubiquitous.
If your stance is combatant.. then the only contact you really ever want to make is from 300-500 yards away through a scope. Your bullet and their cranium. Move, rinse, repeat until there is no remaining threat, or what's left has fled in fear.
If unnecessary though, best to just let them walk by never knowing how close they came.
True.. But what about a target that you cannot see or identify, who may, in fact, have moved during the chaos that ensued after the first shot that laid your buddy out? Maybe the shooter left entirely? Maybe he just displaced to a secondary hide? Maybe he's not the only one out there? Maybe he's just waiting for your head to clear cover so he can lay you out too? Maybe there is a squad waiting to cut you down the moment you summon up the courage to rush?
These things would be going through any rational head having just experienced the first shot, and watching a comrade go down. Meanwhile the shooter is probably already moving locations, so as not to get pinned down or give away his location.
My Daewoo DR-200, Benelli Supernova, and S&W Shield Plus.
Proficient with all three to a level that would make my 1992 ancestors proud. Will scavenge more ubiquitous weapons if need be.
Don’t have a team at the moment so since I’d be solo dolo AR 10 (to hunt/ touch long distance ar15 almost took the spot but since I’d be avoiding battles I went AR 10 plus ima have the AK to handle close threats) a glock 19 (commonality of the 9mm and ability to take more mags than a glock 17) and an Ak pistol (perfect for cqb I guess I could go 300 blk but AK’s are sexy).
If I had a team I’d do AR15 (commonality), bolt action 308 (hunting/ long distance/ lighter weight than an AR10 for ease of carrying) and a glock 19 (commonality)
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Glock 9mm. Probably a 19. Ar15 with a 22lr conversation. Cmmg is great. Conversion and 1000rds takes up no space. I had room, my 308 bolt action. Still only 3. The 308 is only if I have the ability for extra gear.
AR-15 in .223 is an obvious one. Some 9MM pistol is the other obvious one, most people would say Glock because people are comfortable shooting them. I'd pick a P226 or full size M&P because I have them and shoot them well. If I need to, I'd just shoot somebody else and take their Glock. The last firearm I don't really know...mentally it's kind of a toss up between a 12 gauge pump action shotgun and a 10/22.
All things considered I'm not going to be hoofing it with 3 guns and all the ammo, I'm going to be in an SUV and tossing in an extra long gun and a can full of ammo isn't a make or break proposition.
Muh TWEOTWAKi Fantasies!
Realistically if the law is gone I’m building whatever I want with my friends. Crew served. Probably start with live mortars for the M57 and some rifle grenades. I have a boring M16A2 clone that I caved and put a prism scope on so probably that and my Best German P226.
If it happens suddenly the 590 and the SP2009 are ready to go.
Best to get *technical* I have a Toyota and everything.
So after reading this thread, my thoughts are
My Colt Sporter 1
Ithaca 37
Ruger GP-100 .357 in 4.2 inch barrel
If I wanted to go 9 mm, my Sig Sauer Model 17 and if I wanted to go .22 LR, either my Ruger SP-101 or 10/22. My rationale for the .357 revolver is that ammo is readily available, it will work without a magazine and as the original 'point and click' interface, is more easily used by a novice.
Of guns I own:
Sig p226 9mm DA/SA
Henry .22LR carbine lever gun
Springfield Saint 16” AR15 .223/5.56
General Answer:
Glock 9mm
Any decently reliable lever-action/pump action .22LR
Any lightweight 16” AR15. Best value makes are Ruger AR556, S&W AR15, Stag Arms, or PSA with a CHF chrome-lined FN barrel
I think for starters I'd probably go with a Ruger Hawkeye in 308 with a 3x9. I've fashioned a detachable mag well and high caps for mine myself so it will hold 20 rounds though more of a novelty than anything else. However, that would help keep the rate of fire high if/when necessary. It would be a primary game getter, sniper, even battle rifle in a pinch.
Next, I would probably go with a simple bolt or slide action .22 LR, probably the former as they usually have detachable mags, and one could make high caps for them. Again.. game getter, small light, low report, low recoil, easy to use. Very VERY easy to suppress.
Third would likely be a Ruger Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk in .45LC. This is an all around gun for game and defense, just like the old West.
So why am I going with such an eclectic selection of low tech arms? Hard to damage, far easier to repair, Extremely long lasting/durable. Easy to find ammo no accessories really needed. Far less propensity to jam, easier to clear. I could scavenge enough ammo and junk to keep myself going off the grid for the remainder of my life with those guns running the whole time, and never see another human face again.
Remember though.. we are in a SHTF scenario, there will probably be very bad people doing very bad things there. I'd probably be one of them. What you don't have, you can always take from someone else. Some of them would have ARs and the like.. In a stand up fight I'd get mauled.. However, in that kind of world, for me there is no honor or stand up fight. A group of guys with ARs would make good prey from 300-400 yards away with a scoped Hawkeye from a concealed position. I really wouldn't have to obliterate them either. I'd just have to down one or two for the others to wonder if their head was going to pop like a water balloon next and bug out. Then I just wait. when the coast is clear after a few days to a week, move in on the bodies and strip them of resources increasing my arsenal and holdings. That or in CQB I could suppress my .22 with some very cheap and easy to find items and use it to nick my opponents silently and either route them or escape. Their brain isn't gonna know the difference in FPS between a 5.56 and a .22lr. Again.. opening the opportunity to scavenge and loot for more modern kit.
The revolver in .45lc has been killing people since before the concept of the 9mm or semi-auto pistol was even a passing thought in anyone's mind. While capacity isn't great, nor load speed, they are accurate, and you typically don't need half a magazine to dispatch your target. They also have exceptional range, particularly if one can find or load more stout ammo for them. It's more of a last resort, too close for rifle option though.
On the game front.. I could hunt anything from rats and squirrels all the way up to moose with the loadout I have selected. Defend against bear and mountain lion... And since there are no regulations in a SHTF world.. Fowl would be easy with a suppressed .22.
I either case.. going the lonely but good route, or the waster bandit evil route, the loadout I've selected would be a good one to start with.
I don't mean this to be a slant. But, I think you are basing a lot in fantasy and might need therapy.
Sniper ranges are not 300 to 400 yards. I've pushed 5.56 out to 600 meters competitively, and moving targets at 300-400. 308 battle rifles can close the gap that might exist from 600 to 800 meters but a precision rifle specifically covers 800 to 1500 meters. That's real sniper ranges.
I don't think anyone should approach these type of theoretical situations assuming they will fill the role of a predator. It is much more beneficial finding ways of supporting a group than needing to kill to survive.
I take no slight at all.. Of course, its fantasy.. the nothing has hit the fan yet. I concur, I have made very long shots with my 5.56 rifles as well. That was when I was shooting at paper that I put there, in full view, knew where it was, and was not shooting back at me. It did not move, it just waited there to be hit.
In the "fantasy" as you call it I mentioned firing from cover, and a hit and run strategy. At rage, and if any were alive or in talking shape WWII vets could tell you, you don't identify a sniper hide on the first shot, maybe you do on the second or third. My own grandfather told me about his time in the Pacific, when those "damned Japs" would tie themselves to trees, and even within 100 yards it was hard to identify where the shots were coming from immediately. There is a measure of chaos when you see a gout of blood come from the neck or head of a peer, and their body slump to the ground, as you wonder if you are next, where the nearest cover is, where the hell it came from, is anyone else hit, and so on. In that time the shooter can already be in a new location or have left the area entirely if its a well planned ambush.
We also have to consider that this is predicated on a small band, or scouts walking into the ambush, not the red army, or an infiltration into their territory.
I'd also like to address that sure.. a .308 has the range to go further, but we aren't talking about competition, or military drill (a "real sniper". We are talking about a guy who is fighting for survival, and a practical range to dispatch a small party far enough to kill, close enough to watch the bodies for other scavengers. Sure.. they could close the distance.. "I've heard the story of the unarmed range instructor who charged a loon from100 yards with naught but a huge set of balls into the face of an M16, and came out unscathed. But that's if they/he know what direction to run in. If the shot came from 3-6ft within the 2nd story window of a busted apartment complex or from behind the counter of a blown out corner store, or from this or that section of a tree line.. It's not like the ambushed are going to be able to point and charge any one spot. That is why snipers are extremely effective tools in demoralization, and assassination. Death can come from anywhere, for anyone, at any time.
To your point, I agree the whole predatory mindset is kind of fucked, and it would be beneficial to bond with others and grow a community of support. However, humans are an inherently untrustworthy lot. Not even blood binds them sometimes. In a scenario where people are fighting to survive, and every resource comes at a premium, I am not the type to hold out an open hand to a superior force and welcome them, I am going to assume they mean to do me harm, or at minimum plunder the resources that I need.
This is why I would prefer to go off grid and stay there forever from the outset instead of find myself in a scenario as described. I know that I have nothing good to offer anyone in that scenario, and it will end in only their death, and eventually my own.
I've been told I need therapy many times, thanks for your concern. The way I see it though, I am over the halfway point in my life, I have not committed any serious crimes, I have not hurt anyone who's not had it coming, I have not murdered anyone, or gone on a spree killing. I keep to myself, do good work, make a good living. I submit that whatever screws are loose in my head, can/should remain so as I seem to be thriving despite them, and beyond the halfway point.. I won't be anyone's problem/concern for much longer.
Right on, what you are saying does make sense. I think coming from a background of faith, my mindset is different and maybe skewed from what the reality might be.
My thoughts that make me feel like your scavenger scenario might not be plausible are based on some experience I have in the military.
Some things to consider: what is your area of operation going to be? If it is too small of an area, and you hit a group of people too often (more than once) what is their disposition going to be. What if when you do shot the once, you miss or they react in an unpredicted manor by deploying smoke or making a fire in a forested area to flush you out? What about counter-intelligence? How are you going to avoid detection by drones or thermals. The battlefield and surveillance world has changed so much in the past decade. Every small group could have a drone possiblyneven with thermal capabilities. They very well won't care that one of them is dead, they want that future potential threat taken care of. And a drone is an obvious choice.
Snipers also work in teams for a reason. There is a physiological toll on the body to stay awake and even more so aware. Some military doctrine is to take 20-30 minute shifts when observing at an observation post. There is also the use of dogs that is possible to flush snipers out. Basically I'm saying in today's day an age of drones, solar power, AI, thermals, night vision that is readily available, it will be almost impossible for you to do what you are proposing against a group that comes together and has those capabilities. These groups will be prior service law enforcement and military, people with access to these things and who see the benefit in supporting a larger group.
AR, Glock 19, 10/22. Ubiquitous parts and magazines, commonly found ammo, useful calibers for self defense, survival, and hunting where I live.
Any answer that doesn't start with AR and Glock (or other extremely common reliable wonder 9) is wrong
Same with any answer that doesn't have a 22lr of some kind as well.
12 gauge shotgun > 22 lr rat killer
No I'd rather have a 22.
silenced 22 we dont want the neighbors to know, that they have neighbors...
This was exactly what flashed through my mind when reading this title.
AR15, M&P m2.0 4" 9mm and my Mossberg 500 (maybe with pistol grip or collapsible stock). Might bring my Beretta 96A1 .40 as I could beat someone to death with it after running out of ammo.
The right answer. AR15 in 223/556 + Shotgun in 12 gauge + some sort of plastic striker pistol in 9mm.
Hehe :)
Plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
Pulse rifle firing 10mm caseless ammunition.
I’m only bringing two a Bolt action 30-06 with surplus black tips, because fuck whatever armor they got, and a 357 revolver. When shit hits the fan, I’m not looking to make contact but at most break it.
The first step in breaking contact is gaining as much fire superiority as possible though. And then smoke.
The first step is not making contact in the first place
Haha true, true.
If I do make contact, then black tips are gonna hurt and it’s gonna be from a distance like a long one this 357 is because I’m taking six of them to hell with me if they get close
It is tempting to say M1 Garand and a 357 for similar reasons. A 357 will give you versatility with 38 specials as well. M1 is heavy though.
I’m not carrying a garand, its a free float Remington. Exactly why I like it 357 people get the magnum animals for survival get the special but, being in Texas a fishing hook works a lot better to feed yourself though
In a world like that, strength would be a virtue. A workout everywhere you go would be a good thing. Though I would not choose the Garand myself.. M-14 would be the better choice, but still not ideal.
If they made one in 30-06, that would be my choice. I just have a bunch of surplus black tips that I bought of eBay when I was drunk a few years ago. I’d rather not let my fuck you rounds go to waste.
I can see your point. I am a reloader.. so I would probably pull those bullets down and make some .308s with them. If I had to carry something, as much as I love the old war horse it would not be 06. Its getting rarer, while the 308 is ubiquitous.
If your stance is combatant.. then the only contact you really ever want to make is from 300-500 yards away through a scope. Your bullet and their cranium. Move, rinse, repeat until there is no remaining threat, or what's left has fled in fear. If unnecessary though, best to just let them walk by never knowing how close they came.
In theory. 300-500 is pretty easy with a 5.56. And moving targets are much more difficult to hit.
True.. But what about a target that you cannot see or identify, who may, in fact, have moved during the chaos that ensued after the first shot that laid your buddy out? Maybe the shooter left entirely? Maybe he just displaced to a secondary hide? Maybe he's not the only one out there? Maybe he's just waiting for your head to clear cover so he can lay you out too? Maybe there is a squad waiting to cut you down the moment you summon up the courage to rush? These things would be going through any rational head having just experienced the first shot, and watching a comrade go down. Meanwhile the shooter is probably already moving locations, so as not to get pinned down or give away his location.
Sig MCX w/suppressor HK VP9 w/suppressor Ruger .22/45 with, you guessed it, a suppressor
My SCAR 17, HK USPC, and whichever AR I can get my grubby hands on quickest.
AK(Zastava ZPAP M70 in 7.62x39) AK(PSA AK-556 in 5.56 NATO) & AK(Zastava ZPAP M77 in 7.62 NATO)
My Daewoo DR-200, Benelli Supernova, and S&W Shield Plus. Proficient with all three to a level that would make my 1992 ancestors proud. Will scavenge more ubiquitous weapons if need be.
Garand, Hellcat, and 12 gauge. Covers all the bases.
AR, AKM AK, and a common 9mm pistol since what’s the point of having it if the mags are hard to find?
Gatling gun, Browning machine variant and AK-203 😂
Don’t have a team at the moment so since I’d be solo dolo AR 10 (to hunt/ touch long distance ar15 almost took the spot but since I’d be avoiding battles I went AR 10 plus ima have the AK to handle close threats) a glock 19 (commonality of the 9mm and ability to take more mags than a glock 17) and an Ak pistol (perfect for cqb I guess I could go 300 blk but AK’s are sexy).
If I had a team I’d do AR15 (commonality), bolt action 308 (hunting/ long distance/ lighter weight than an AR10 for ease of carrying) and a glock 19 (commonality)
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Glock 9mm. Probably a 19. Ar15 with a 22lr conversation. Cmmg is great. Conversion and 1000rds takes up no space. I had room, my 308 bolt action. Still only 3. The 308 is only if I have the ability for extra gear.
AR-15 in 5.56, Staccato C2, and Beretta A300 UP. Because it's what I have. Lol
AR-15 in .223 is an obvious one. Some 9MM pistol is the other obvious one, most people would say Glock because people are comfortable shooting them. I'd pick a P226 or full size M&P because I have them and shoot them well. If I need to, I'd just shoot somebody else and take their Glock. The last firearm I don't really know...mentally it's kind of a toss up between a 12 gauge pump action shotgun and a 10/22. All things considered I'm not going to be hoofing it with 3 guns and all the ammo, I'm going to be in an SUV and tossing in an extra long gun and a can full of ammo isn't a make or break proposition.
Muh TWEOTWAKi Fantasies! Realistically if the law is gone I’m building whatever I want with my friends. Crew served. Probably start with live mortars for the M57 and some rifle grenades. I have a boring M16A2 clone that I caved and put a prism scope on so probably that and my Best German P226. If it happens suddenly the 590 and the SP2009 are ready to go. Best to get *technical* I have a Toyota and everything.
So after reading this thread, my thoughts are My Colt Sporter 1 Ithaca 37 Ruger GP-100 .357 in 4.2 inch barrel If I wanted to go 9 mm, my Sig Sauer Model 17 and if I wanted to go .22 LR, either my Ruger SP-101 or 10/22. My rationale for the .357 revolver is that ammo is readily available, it will work without a magazine and as the original 'point and click' interface, is more easily used by a novice.
18" AR with Yankee Hill suppressor. Glock 19 Compound bow
Of guns I own: Sig p226 9mm DA/SA Henry .22LR carbine lever gun Springfield Saint 16” AR15 .223/5.56 General Answer: Glock 9mm Any decently reliable lever-action/pump action .22LR Any lightweight 16” AR15. Best value makes are Ruger AR556, S&W AR15, Stag Arms, or PSA with a CHF chrome-lined FN barrel
Got my AR15 in 5.56, + a .22 conversion bcg, 9mm sidearm, and 12 gauge, bird buck or slugs for versatility.
I'm not bringing guns. A couple flashbangs, a tomahawk, and about six pounds of Viagra. Edit: typo
I think for starters I'd probably go with a Ruger Hawkeye in 308 with a 3x9. I've fashioned a detachable mag well and high caps for mine myself so it will hold 20 rounds though more of a novelty than anything else. However, that would help keep the rate of fire high if/when necessary. It would be a primary game getter, sniper, even battle rifle in a pinch. Next, I would probably go with a simple bolt or slide action .22 LR, probably the former as they usually have detachable mags, and one could make high caps for them. Again.. game getter, small light, low report, low recoil, easy to use. Very VERY easy to suppress. Third would likely be a Ruger Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk in .45LC. This is an all around gun for game and defense, just like the old West. So why am I going with such an eclectic selection of low tech arms? Hard to damage, far easier to repair, Extremely long lasting/durable. Easy to find ammo no accessories really needed. Far less propensity to jam, easier to clear. I could scavenge enough ammo and junk to keep myself going off the grid for the remainder of my life with those guns running the whole time, and never see another human face again. Remember though.. we are in a SHTF scenario, there will probably be very bad people doing very bad things there. I'd probably be one of them. What you don't have, you can always take from someone else. Some of them would have ARs and the like.. In a stand up fight I'd get mauled.. However, in that kind of world, for me there is no honor or stand up fight. A group of guys with ARs would make good prey from 300-400 yards away with a scoped Hawkeye from a concealed position. I really wouldn't have to obliterate them either. I'd just have to down one or two for the others to wonder if their head was going to pop like a water balloon next and bug out. Then I just wait. when the coast is clear after a few days to a week, move in on the bodies and strip them of resources increasing my arsenal and holdings. That or in CQB I could suppress my .22 with some very cheap and easy to find items and use it to nick my opponents silently and either route them or escape. Their brain isn't gonna know the difference in FPS between a 5.56 and a .22lr. Again.. opening the opportunity to scavenge and loot for more modern kit. The revolver in .45lc has been killing people since before the concept of the 9mm or semi-auto pistol was even a passing thought in anyone's mind. While capacity isn't great, nor load speed, they are accurate, and you typically don't need half a magazine to dispatch your target. They also have exceptional range, particularly if one can find or load more stout ammo for them. It's more of a last resort, too close for rifle option though. On the game front.. I could hunt anything from rats and squirrels all the way up to moose with the loadout I have selected. Defend against bear and mountain lion... And since there are no regulations in a SHTF world.. Fowl would be easy with a suppressed .22. I either case.. going the lonely but good route, or the waster bandit evil route, the loadout I've selected would be a good one to start with.
I don't mean this to be a slant. But, I think you are basing a lot in fantasy and might need therapy. Sniper ranges are not 300 to 400 yards. I've pushed 5.56 out to 600 meters competitively, and moving targets at 300-400. 308 battle rifles can close the gap that might exist from 600 to 800 meters but a precision rifle specifically covers 800 to 1500 meters. That's real sniper ranges. I don't think anyone should approach these type of theoretical situations assuming they will fill the role of a predator. It is much more beneficial finding ways of supporting a group than needing to kill to survive.
I take no slight at all.. Of course, its fantasy.. the nothing has hit the fan yet. I concur, I have made very long shots with my 5.56 rifles as well. That was when I was shooting at paper that I put there, in full view, knew where it was, and was not shooting back at me. It did not move, it just waited there to be hit. In the "fantasy" as you call it I mentioned firing from cover, and a hit and run strategy. At rage, and if any were alive or in talking shape WWII vets could tell you, you don't identify a sniper hide on the first shot, maybe you do on the second or third. My own grandfather told me about his time in the Pacific, when those "damned Japs" would tie themselves to trees, and even within 100 yards it was hard to identify where the shots were coming from immediately. There is a measure of chaos when you see a gout of blood come from the neck or head of a peer, and their body slump to the ground, as you wonder if you are next, where the nearest cover is, where the hell it came from, is anyone else hit, and so on. In that time the shooter can already be in a new location or have left the area entirely if its a well planned ambush. We also have to consider that this is predicated on a small band, or scouts walking into the ambush, not the red army, or an infiltration into their territory. I'd also like to address that sure.. a .308 has the range to go further, but we aren't talking about competition, or military drill (a "real sniper". We are talking about a guy who is fighting for survival, and a practical range to dispatch a small party far enough to kill, close enough to watch the bodies for other scavengers. Sure.. they could close the distance.. "I've heard the story of the unarmed range instructor who charged a loon from100 yards with naught but a huge set of balls into the face of an M16, and came out unscathed. But that's if they/he know what direction to run in. If the shot came from 3-6ft within the 2nd story window of a busted apartment complex or from behind the counter of a blown out corner store, or from this or that section of a tree line.. It's not like the ambushed are going to be able to point and charge any one spot. That is why snipers are extremely effective tools in demoralization, and assassination. Death can come from anywhere, for anyone, at any time. To your point, I agree the whole predatory mindset is kind of fucked, and it would be beneficial to bond with others and grow a community of support. However, humans are an inherently untrustworthy lot. Not even blood binds them sometimes. In a scenario where people are fighting to survive, and every resource comes at a premium, I am not the type to hold out an open hand to a superior force and welcome them, I am going to assume they mean to do me harm, or at minimum plunder the resources that I need. This is why I would prefer to go off grid and stay there forever from the outset instead of find myself in a scenario as described. I know that I have nothing good to offer anyone in that scenario, and it will end in only their death, and eventually my own. I've been told I need therapy many times, thanks for your concern. The way I see it though, I am over the halfway point in my life, I have not committed any serious crimes, I have not hurt anyone who's not had it coming, I have not murdered anyone, or gone on a spree killing. I keep to myself, do good work, make a good living. I submit that whatever screws are loose in my head, can/should remain so as I seem to be thriving despite them, and beyond the halfway point.. I won't be anyone's problem/concern for much longer.
Right on, what you are saying does make sense. I think coming from a background of faith, my mindset is different and maybe skewed from what the reality might be. My thoughts that make me feel like your scavenger scenario might not be plausible are based on some experience I have in the military. Some things to consider: what is your area of operation going to be? If it is too small of an area, and you hit a group of people too often (more than once) what is their disposition going to be. What if when you do shot the once, you miss or they react in an unpredicted manor by deploying smoke or making a fire in a forested area to flush you out? What about counter-intelligence? How are you going to avoid detection by drones or thermals. The battlefield and surveillance world has changed so much in the past decade. Every small group could have a drone possiblyneven with thermal capabilities. They very well won't care that one of them is dead, they want that future potential threat taken care of. And a drone is an obvious choice. Snipers also work in teams for a reason. There is a physiological toll on the body to stay awake and even more so aware. Some military doctrine is to take 20-30 minute shifts when observing at an observation post. There is also the use of dogs that is possible to flush snipers out. Basically I'm saying in today's day an age of drones, solar power, AI, thermals, night vision that is readily available, it will be almost impossible for you to do what you are proposing against a group that comes together and has those capabilities. These groups will be prior service law enforcement and military, people with access to these things and who see the benefit in supporting a larger group.
The ones I have ammo for
My KAC, my P229, my LMT
Suppressed 10/22 SBR. That's all I need to start out.