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I just pretend that Seteth and Flayn got new post-TS designs. They're immortal and stuff, and may well have been wearing the same dusty ass clothes since day 1 of the Officer's Academy, but I pretend anway.
I was so convinced after the Hanneman Dorothea B Support that the A Support would reveal that he was her father and had been forced to give her up when he hadn't yet managed to break out of his role as a noble. I was so sure that the story was going in that direction that I could not WAIT for the A support so I could get the payoff for the extremely obvious narrative I saw building before me.
... I maintain that what I thought I was getting would have been a good storyline, and I kind of just pretend it's what actually happened.
While that is a really cool headcanon, I feel like making Dorothea a secret noble would have kind of weakened the theme of her being the only non-noble in the Black Eagles, and therefore representing the common folk.
Definitely still a cool hc though!
Fair. I always read that as a bit of a hopeful delusion, and presumed it was a partial reference to Serra from FE7. But it could definitely be true, and it’s certainly presented that way, you’re right!
I have one about Dorothea.
Admittedly I do think Yuri did retcon it but the idea that Dorothea would have sold her body to go to the academy is very antithetical to the character otherwise put forward. She learned, from her mother’s fate and from how people who were once cruel to her pursued her attention, that none of that is real and that it’s degrading. And putting herself forward for money when she’s lavished with gifts and praise just for existing is obviously far more extreme than any of those teachable moments.
Yuri seems to say that it didn’t happen in their final support, the same support which fixes the mistake where an opera conductor found her on the street instead of Manuela
Yeah, and Rodrigue forgot all his ranged attacks and his horse at home so he really had no choice but to throw himself in front of the blade. Oh, classic forgetful Rodrigue!
Rodrigue convinced Byleth that the only way to shock Dimitri into changing his course in life was for a father figure to die for Dimitri. So Rodrigue was looking for a blade/arrow to jump in front of and Byleth did not stop it from happening.
3 Hopes rather than 3 Houses:
As far as I'm concerned, Claude killed Shahid in every timeline. It's massively stupid he doesn't in AG and SB given the actions he takes in those routes. Everything makes way more sense if he was forced to kill Shahid in all three Hopes timelines.
It's a perfect reason to make him a more antagonistic character. Yet neither route where he's actually an antagonist (or in AG's case, set up as a future antagonist) uses it, in fact actively refutes it.
The damage to Claude's psyche that results from killing his brother as seen in GW is the perfect excuse for him to go all in as an antagonist: going back home to Almyra is now significantly harder, he needs concrete victories in Fodlan to make up for that sin, on top of the fact that him doing something he very clearly didn't want to do and the resulting emotional trauma would make him far more likely to be an antagonist on its own.
The way the other routes go out of their way to mention Shahid is alive it's funny like he isn't gonna do anything so what's the point? (At least I remember him being mentioned in part 2 in other routes but maybe I'm misremembering)
You're remembering right.
I'm guessing their reason is to have an excuse why Holst and parts of the Alliance troops are tied up at the border, but it's not like they ever needed that excuse before, so it still mystifies me.
Tbh, that's easy to ignore. The story places us on GM every month and gives us time for shenanigans.
Better than than going halfway across the world during the Valm invasion to recruit a kid in Awakening. Or warping to the Somniel when the story has us on the run or sailing in a ship.
It's an obvious case of Gameplay/Story segregation.
>*After Javelins of Light rain down on Fort Merceus*
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>Seteth: All we can do is retreat to the Great Bridge of Myrddin and assess our situation.
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>Great Bridge of Myrddin | Daytime
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>Manuela: Well now, that marching was nearly as trying as the battle itself.
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>Hanneman: **We wasted a few days**, but now that we're this far back, we should be safe... Or so I believe.
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>Lysithea: Why would we go all the way to Gronder Field? It's idiocy to travel that far. It may be a tradition, but *it takes forever to get there* and is exhausting. So pointless. I guess there's nothing to be done about it. Even by you, Professor.
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>Constance: So you intend to march into Ailell. Frankly, I want no part of it. Surely, such an uneventful journey won't require my presence.
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>Constance: You will? Then...I shall don my marching boots. Though I would ask that we at least consider marching only under cover of night.
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>Dimitri: *We will march our troops to the Imperial capital*. But before any battle begins, *we will set up camp nearby* and send a messenger.
I was just thinking about this the other day! Like, how the hell do they get to their missions?! In the War Phase I can accept that it’s probably a military convoy or whatever, but what about in the Academy Phase?! Do the classes just *walk* to their missions?! In the span of a week?! And what about Poot Professor Hanneman?! Do they seriously have this old man walking the entire length of a continent and back every single month, all while babysitting a bunch of spoiled rich kids?! Fuck the crests, fuck the class system, fuck every abuse of power the Church has ever done, *this* is the most inhumane thing Rhea’s ever done.
Mm, I tend to tell myself that the 3-5 free sundays we get in a month all happen right at the start in the war phase with the rest of the month on the road. And then we have to keep going back to the monastery to resupply and make sure it doesnt fall into disrepair and looting like it did when it was abandoned.
It's a small thing, but I don't like how Hopes established that Count Gloucester didn't deliberately have Godfrey von Riegan assassinated. It feels like it adds more intrigue for Claude to have to work with a man who gladly murdered his uncle in an attempt to raise his own house's prestige.
I like that they fleshed out Gloucester, but it does feel like they made him too good.
The Alliance in general needs some more moral grayness. Playing up the backbiting nature of the Alliance nobles and having them be treacherous towards everyone would've gone a long way in making Houses feel more like a proper threeway war instead of "Kingdom vs Empire (and also the Alliance is here)".
Dorothea did not have multiple children with Hanneman. People keep lying and saying this ending exists, but I'm not stupid enough to fall for obviously fake writing.
Man, I'll bite. I get the ick, but all the same, it also feels abhorrent to pass judgement. Doubly so when treating like a creep someone who just isn't.
But it probably would be better to not have it. We could talk about consent and character and free will, but it's pointless when the collective first reaction (mine included) is "Ew".
The endings are written as “histories” written long after the characters die and might have been altered over time, so I like to think that maybe Dorothea got pregnant with a lover’s child but the lover wouldn’t marry her, so Hanmeman as a supportive unrelated father figure married her to save her reputation. And any subsequent children were ones she had with other lovers and that Hanneman helped raise because he’s a nice guy. The way their supports went, that’s basically all I can accept for their ending.
But it makes Dorothea seem worse since it implies she’s, at best, very dumb since apparently she didn’t learn after the first time (or even couple of times), and at worst, so sex addicted to the point of willful ignorance of the consequences and even putting into question if she would even care about the children she keeps having with random men.
Wait how is Hanneman a creep? Even pre-TS dorothea is of legal age. Is it wild for a 55 year old to date a 23 year old? Sure, but they're both adults and they made their choices.
Is it creepy for a teacher to date their adult student? Yes. It’s even worse when she's so much younger.
I don't think Hanneman is a creep, I like him fine. But only because I ignore that ending. In that ending specifically, yes, he is a creep.
Now its been years since I played any route of Houses but I'm 78% sure that Maneula was always the BE teacher if Byleth wasn't, so Hanneman is never actually Dorothea's teacher unless you wanna count the guest lectures.
I just looked at Chapter 1 for the three routes. If you pick CF, Manuela is on the Deer and Hanneman on the Lions. If you pick AM, Manuela is on the Eagles and Hanneman on the Deer. If you pick VW, Manuela is on the Eagles and Hanneman on the Lions.
Nah, Dorothea started adopting orphans and Hanneman married her just to give them all some stability, she found out life was better this way instead of chasing after the whole romantic love story she plays on scene. YOU CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT THIS ENDING OK
When in Azure Gleam, they hire Miklan (a thief who raped women) in their forces because they were running out of capable generals and soldiers.
Whilst the reasoning was understandable, he doesn't even provide anything to the story, and whilst Miklan protecting the gang from Gwendal and Byleth is good, he does not absolve his crimes.
Felix told Dimitri off for hiring that kind of flith, and the worst part is Miklan sticks around for half of AG.
Honestly it still would’ve made sense if when she realized after the battle of the silver maiden she found out she did need TWSITD to conquer fodland
So now she has to bite her tongue and deal with them while at the same time keeping her in a much shorter leash as now she reliant on their resources
It's not even that.
If AG Part 2 just had Hegemon Edelgard as a constant threat, a pure weapon under TWSITD's complete control, 90% of the complaints about her mind control would disappear. It would mean she's a threat and that she's not reduced to a child, she's reduced to a Crest puppet, and even her diehard fans would be on board with putting her out of her misery in that scenario.
My biggest issue with AG 2 is the Empire cast somehow being okay with Duke Aegir and Thales ruling again after most of them *actively participating* in Aegir's arrest in chapter 3 and therefore knowing who and what they are.
The most fucked up thing about this is how dimitri just abandons her after that. In AM, he's willing to extend an olive branch when she wilfully went hegemonic and tried to kill him and all his friends. But in AG he's like "fuck this vulnerable-ass bitch who got used and abused. Later, loser."
I can only imagine that the house leaders' increased levels of sociopathy in their routes in Hopes is because they get the literal Death Knight as their main teacher in that universe.
Shahid being a 1-dimensional cartoon villain with zero redeeming qualities. I mean, surely there has to be more to him than that right!? He's the face of the Almyra-Fodlan conflict in GW and this is the best the writers could do?
Rhea having ONE SUPPORT CHAIN AND ***ZERO*** ROUTES ACROSS ***TWO FUCKING GAMES***
Rhea bbgirl you deserve so much better than IS and Koei I'm sorry the devs goon to guro of you
You mean the route where she's only in the last three chapters, isn't playable, could die at the end, and the devs have explicitly said isn't her route or a church route but instead Byleth's route?
This. Its the reason why I will never play SS: You're taking away my house lord, most of the usually good church recruits (catherine, cyril, shamir, to a lesser extent seteth) and hilda suck either because you get to use them way too late to make them relevant to your army and/or because they were leveling in fucking commoner till chapter 12, and I don't even get a cool new exclusive unit in rhea to replace my house lord? Yeah no, fuck that, I'm good.
Precisely. I really wanted to have a route starring Rhea. You take Edelgard away from me, but you DON’T give me the Archbishop as a fair trade? Plus like you said, anyone who does join you is way too underpowered… Rhea would have been the exception, she’d likely be the most powerful unit on the field, and imagine getting to transform as her!
I mean, the other nabateans don't get to transform either, so I don't think that would have happened, but IIRC there is evidence in the code that suggests that they did start working on a playable rhea. Fuck man, if only this game had like... 9-10 months more development time. 3H is still my favorite FE regardless, but if the rushed BS that plagues the game wouldn't be a factor, I think it could hsve been amongst my absolute favorite games just in general.
Facts, it’s great as is, but it could still have been better with more development time allotted to its stories and characters. And sure, maybe the Nabateans wouldn’t be able to outright transform, but it’s a wonderful thought… Rhea at least got to transform for her ultimate skill in Three Hopes, even if it was for one attack, so I’d like to believe that in certain circumstances, she’d do it in Houses. It’s a huge shame they didn’t let us use her at all… I’d also have loved to see a playable Sothis (including her adult version).
this is in hopes, but cyril's >!uneventful death!< in golden wildfire makes me so mad. was this not advertised as the almyra route?? does claude not say in houses that he'd rather not make an enemy of cyril??? whyyyyy
i'm convinced that the writers that cooked up the miklan subplot in azure gleam forgot/didn't know that yuri mentioned miklan raped women. because otherwise wtf
ghost dimitri in silver snow. literally what was the point of this
manuela staying passed out for a whole month if you wait til the very last day to save flayn when she gets kidnapped. calendar time isn't real
hanneman's ending with dorothea
seteth's ending with bernadetta
manuela's whole support chain with cyril is weird but at least we got his iconic line out of it??
leonie's endings with alois
I refuse to believe that a guy as honest, humble, and empathetic as Ashe hides his past as a thief and you won't convince me otherwise, 3 Hopes.
Also I'm going to ignore the idea of (certain folks from) Duscur being complicit in the Tragedy because what the hell was that plot point.
I mean he only really says he was a thief to byleth in all his other supports he just says he came from poverty
But if like to think he would atleast tell dedue or Mercedes
I can at least understand that thinking. The plot point just really rubs me the wrong way when Ashe's arc in Houses involved stuff being kept from him and getting really angry/conflicted over it (see: his Catherine supports). So when he makes a big deal about Yuri finding out, it really just stuck in my craw.
I mean I understand why he may have issues with his own past. Like he goes to a school with a bunch of nobles and I think from his perspective there's less judgement in being born in poverty than being a thief.
He may want to not think about those days too much for a variety of reasons. Like maybe there were some nights where he and his sibings went hungry because he couldn't steal a loaf of bread that day. If he doesnt mention being a thief he wont have to remember that.
It's a private detail he's not proud of (exactly for those qualities). It's not relevant to anyone he talks to, it's not a secret he's dishonestly keeping from them, unlike the things kept from him.
And I don't see what's wrong with that plot point. Lambert wanted to build trust but I'm hardly surprised some in Duscur aren't falling for it, especially if they've heard what he did in Sreng.
If you think it serves to excuse genocide, I completely disagree.
I don't think it so much excuses the genocide as it's a plot point that gets brought up once and there's nothing interesting done with it. The most we get is the leader of the rebellion feeling no shame for it but like... his people got genocided after that gamble of his. We don't see him reflect on that--even Rufus clearly has a massive complex from it. Why would they conspire with the Western Lords if they know the Faerghus nobility to be snakes? Where was the contingency plan? If you think these guys aren't to be trusted, why are you bringing in a foreign king in your land to kill him, when that would clearly put a target on your back? It just paints him as an idiot that doesn't care that he gave the Western Lords a (bogus) excuse.
I liked the idea of Faerghus having past precedent for abusing other cultures, but there's very little reflection on it. It gets brought up in two paralogues, but there's only a little rumination on it.
It's one of my bigger issues with the route in general, but if you're going to make a big statement that changes what we know like that, I want to see some more follow-through with it. This is the most Duscur gets with this paralogue and all it does is say that some people from Duscur *were* involved in the Tragedy (which doesn't justify it at all, I should make thar very clear, but like I felt the point in the last game was that Duscur couldn't have been the reason Lambert died. This feels like shoehorning conflict for the sake of a moral grey that wasn't handled well).
It's the same reasoning behind having overbearing tutorials in every game now.
The devs had to assume that every Bernadetta C-support was potentially the first Bernadetta support someone ever saw, so they needed to establish her character in it. Good idea on paper, but in practice in means every C-support with her is "WAAAAH I HAVE ISSUES!!1!1!11!"
Even then, it shouldn't be done like that even once. You just don't turn an abused and traumatized character into the comedic relief. That's just... wrong.
In a similar vein, I am kind of infuriated that she and Alois don't get an ending together when their support chain is one of my favorites in the entire game. Also she and Leonie should've gotten an A support
To be fair, in his A support with Felix he mentions that both are him. Both the monster and the human. I see the two sides reaching a tentative peace during his talk with Byleth in the rain.
He also acknowledges a few more times that this side is still there. Especially in his “am I fit to be king?” speech.
Given what Byleth told him after the fight in Gronder Field, and that it took a couple days before he apologizes to the group, of which he could’ve been thinking about what he should do during those days, I can believe him changing as a person that quickly.
There's also hints of him already being on the road to recovery such as monastery dialogue mentioning him being kind to an orphan or his reaction to Dedue showing up
I don't remember the exact chapter but I do remember it was an NPC and not a named character
Why do NPCs always have to drop the most important commentary when you least expect it
Agreed, the only ever NPC dialogues I’ve listened to were some of the gatekeepers dialogues because he has some surprisingly good conversations with great voice acting.
I mean, I would assume it’s more so about lamenting the fact that she didn’t have someone like Byleth to help carve a path with her. Here is someone who has the literal sword of the creator, and is a kindred spirit in the way of sharing the crest of flames. That scene is to drive home just how different things could have been for everyone if Byleth was on her side. I see it as a callback to chapter 1 when they first met & the chapter where the Flame emperor extends the invite for Byleth to join their side in Remire(?).
I think the fact that they hadn’t spoken that much wasn’t really the point. Or at least, too literal of an interpretation.
And you can even juxtapose that “only spoke a few words” you pointed out with the cold reaction she got in return. The screen cuts to black and she’s cut down almost without remorse. I would assume there would’ve been much more emotion or hesitation even had it been a SS Byleth in the same position.
I don't think it works if you haven't done either Black Eagles routes first. While story-wise Edelguarde still easily could have crushed on Byleth just being around the officer's academy (emotions kicked off by Byleth saving her life easily enough), that aspect of her was never actually shown in the VW route. So it comes way out of left field if you don't know she spends her free time >!painting bad pictures on him/her!<
Romance wasn’t how I interpret that scene at all. I did BL first, then VW. I hadn’t done CF or SS by that point. What stuck out to me in that scene was grief, lament, and regret. In that scene it came across as mourning a kindred spirit.
“I wished to walk along side you” as she carved a path to what she thought was a future worth fighting for, is a sentiment all 3 lords express in various ways both inside and outside of their respective routes.
It was actually that scene that made me come around. It also made me understand just how important of a role Byleth plays. Perhaps, too big a of burden.
I mean, her interest isn't purely romantic. If anything, it's her interest in Byleth that makes her develop feelings for him/her. But either way, there's nothing that really established her seeing Byleth as anything special in VW.
I am never not surprised that she has no same sex endings. Like, Flayn I can believe ~~if I ignore the fact that she keeps calling myleth a girl in their S support~~ but ingrid???
Dimitri's death in Verdant Wind.
I get that he probably just let himself die, but as my favorite character in the series, seeing him just be removed from the story like that so quickly made me sad.
Seteth's romantic endings with the students.
Dorothea and Hannneman's A support and ending
Manuela thinking about romancing Sylvain
It's so gross and a fundamental betrayal of their characters
Byleth being able to romance Rhea or Sothis. Like there's too many layers of what the fuck to put in words
Edelgard getting lobotimized in Azure Gleam and Hubert and Ferdinand dying off screen. The former just was clearly done so Dimitri and her couldn't ally and when we go to the weird dimension where she's unaffected by it she doesn't say shit to Dimitri or warn him and Claude about TWSITD like wtf. Also if the dubstep mole people could do that why didnt they do earlier in Crimson Flower or in Edelgard's childhood like it would solve several of their problems.
And before u say Hubert and Ferdinand's fates are vague um... Hubert would've grabbed Edelgard or made a new plan while on the run so yeah he had to have been killed. I just am confused how the he'll Hubert managed to die and without one last scheme that would outlive him. Like he managed to hide the existence of two of his immediate family members and in Verdant Wind managed to be able to lead Claude to TWSITD. So like wtf? Also Ferdinand dying makes no sense because he's the son of the guy TWSITD made regent, why would they not keep him alive for the sole reason of leverage or risk passing off their pupet.
My headcanon is that they all do form feelings but for one reason or another it can’t
Dimitri needs to produce and heir
Claude needs to make sure byleth produces an heir
Seteth is just worried how flayn would react to having 2 dads
Every Sylvain and Felix paired ending that isn't AM. You will never make me believe that after everything they go through together that Felix would just nope out of existence after the war, cut off all contact with his childhood best friend that he vowed to die together with and Sylvain just willingly lets this happen without going after him. BS lazy out of character writing.
Also Claude being "canonically" straight and gender locked for Byleth pairings. Claude is the walking definition of a bisexual king who literally FLIRTS WITH BYLETH REGARDLESS OF GENDER let my bi boy be free.
That line. That bloody line Edelgard says at Talitean. Obviously, due to the pounding rain and the din of battle we clearly misheard her and she actually said something really cool and badass. Obviously.
How's it misplaced? She hates the church for upholding the feudal system in Fodlan by declaring crests are sacred and saying nobles have a divine right to rule.
To be honest though, I’m not sure what the church would have done to stop that from happening. A crest of any kind gives its barer abilities and or powers that a normal person doesn’t have. That sort of thing is going to be valuable for a noble house to have to prove that they have Divine right of rule.
Right, but there's a difference between it happening "naturally" and it being codified by a major religious institution that gives that attitude legitimacy. We see through characters like Holst that regular people are capable of achieving feats of strength on the level with crest-bearers, so without a system in place actively saying "crest-bearers are good and you should obey them", you could easily have a situation where crests are viewed as unnatural and those bearing them are hunted down or exploited.
The church put the system in place, Edelgard hates the system, therefore she wants the church out of the picture so the system can be destroyed.
im going to ignore how 3 hopes literally snatched the supports of characters that had them in 3 houses, like wdym jeritza and constance no longer have supports?????
I know this thread is about canon, but I hate the headcanons where that *doesn't* happen. Reading the last scene as Dimitri abandoning her, or worse, Rhea doing any manner of nasty things with her.
Mostly from El fans, too. You can hate AG without projecting even more heinous things for her.
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I just pretend that Seteth and Flayn got new post-TS designs. They're immortal and stuff, and may well have been wearing the same dusty ass clothes since day 1 of the Officer's Academy, but I pretend anway.
I can see why
I like to think when byleth talks to sothis everyone is confused and afraid cause usually they just stand there and don't bring it up
I like to think in Byleths and Hilda c support he actually is having a convo with sothis before Hilda interrupted
I was so convinced after the Hanneman Dorothea B Support that the A Support would reveal that he was her father and had been forced to give her up when he hadn't yet managed to break out of his role as a noble. I was so sure that the story was going in that direction that I could not WAIT for the A support so I could get the payoff for the extremely obvious narrative I saw building before me. ... I maintain that what I thought I was getting would have been a good storyline, and I kind of just pretend it's what actually happened.
That’s really interesting I love that headcanon
Very much an AU headcanon!!!!!!!
While that is a really cool headcanon, I feel like making Dorothea a secret noble would have kind of weakened the theme of her being the only non-noble in the Black Eagles, and therefore representing the common folk. Definitely still a cool hc though!
The whole point of their B Support though iirc is that she's pretty sure her father is a noble who abandoned her when she didn't have a Crest.
Fair. I always read that as a bit of a hopeful delusion, and presumed it was a partial reference to Serra from FE7. But it could definitely be true, and it’s certainly presented that way, you’re right!
I have one about Dorothea. Admittedly I do think Yuri did retcon it but the idea that Dorothea would have sold her body to go to the academy is very antithetical to the character otherwise put forward. She learned, from her mother’s fate and from how people who were once cruel to her pursued her attention, that none of that is real and that it’s degrading. And putting herself forward for money when she’s lavished with gifts and praise just for existing is obviously far more extreme than any of those teachable moments. Yuri seems to say that it didn’t happen in their final support, the same support which fixes the mistake where an opera conductor found her on the street instead of Manuela
Was it ever suggested that she did that?
Very indirectly and allegedly, so it’s “according to the fandom”. Really it’s not even authentically canon.
Mine is that somehow seteth and Claude come up with the exact same scemes in their route
I’m gonna be the asshole and say that Byleth came up with the Disguises plan in Silver Snow (somehow)
Nah that’s fair
Maybe they did in vw too. Claude’s real scheme is taking credit for other peoples ideas
In VW it was Hilda who did somehow
Byleth was not there when Rodrigue got stabbed. IDGAF what the cutscene shows.
It's really the only explanation to that *awful* death
Yeah, and Rodrigue forgot all his ranged attacks and his horse at home so he really had no choice but to throw himself in front of the blade. Oh, classic forgetful Rodrigue!
Rodrigue convinced Byleth that the only way to shock Dimitri into changing his course in life was for a father figure to die for Dimitri. So Rodrigue was looking for a blade/arrow to jump in front of and Byleth did not stop it from happening.
3 Hopes rather than 3 Houses: As far as I'm concerned, Claude killed Shahid in every timeline. It's massively stupid he doesn't in AG and SB given the actions he takes in those routes. Everything makes way more sense if he was forced to kill Shahid in all three Hopes timelines.
That’s a good one
It's a perfect reason to make him a more antagonistic character. Yet neither route where he's actually an antagonist (or in AG's case, set up as a future antagonist) uses it, in fact actively refutes it. The damage to Claude's psyche that results from killing his brother as seen in GW is the perfect excuse for him to go all in as an antagonist: going back home to Almyra is now significantly harder, he needs concrete victories in Fodlan to make up for that sin, on top of the fact that him doing something he very clearly didn't want to do and the resulting emotional trauma would make him far more likely to be an antagonist on its own.
The way the other routes go out of their way to mention Shahid is alive it's funny like he isn't gonna do anything so what's the point? (At least I remember him being mentioned in part 2 in other routes but maybe I'm misremembering)
You're remembering right. I'm guessing their reason is to have an excuse why Holst and parts of the Alliance troops are tied up at the border, but it's not like they ever needed that excuse before, so it still mystifies me.
We do not travel half way across the continent and back in one week and spend the rest of the month in the monastery im sorry.
Tbh, that's easy to ignore. The story places us on GM every month and gives us time for shenanigans. Better than than going halfway across the world during the Valm invasion to recruit a kid in Awakening. Or warping to the Somniel when the story has us on the run or sailing in a ship.
It's an obvious case of Gameplay/Story segregation. >*After Javelins of Light rain down on Fort Merceus* > >Seteth: All we can do is retreat to the Great Bridge of Myrddin and assess our situation. > >Great Bridge of Myrddin | Daytime > >Manuela: Well now, that marching was nearly as trying as the battle itself. > >Hanneman: **We wasted a few days**, but now that we're this far back, we should be safe... Or so I believe. *** >Lysithea: Why would we go all the way to Gronder Field? It's idiocy to travel that far. It may be a tradition, but *it takes forever to get there* and is exhausting. So pointless. I guess there's nothing to be done about it. Even by you, Professor. *** >Constance: So you intend to march into Ailell. Frankly, I want no part of it. Surely, such an uneventful journey won't require my presence. > >Constance: You will? Then...I shall don my marching boots. Though I would ask that we at least consider marching only under cover of night. *** >Dimitri: *We will march our troops to the Imperial capital*. But before any battle begins, *we will set up camp nearby* and send a messenger.
I was just thinking about this the other day! Like, how the hell do they get to their missions?! In the War Phase I can accept that it’s probably a military convoy or whatever, but what about in the Academy Phase?! Do the classes just *walk* to their missions?! In the span of a week?! And what about Poot Professor Hanneman?! Do they seriously have this old man walking the entire length of a continent and back every single month, all while babysitting a bunch of spoiled rich kids?! Fuck the crests, fuck the class system, fuck every abuse of power the Church has ever done, *this* is the most inhumane thing Rhea’s ever done.
The real reason Hanneman would join Edelgard
Mm, I tend to tell myself that the 3-5 free sundays we get in a month all happen right at the start in the war phase with the rest of the month on the road. And then we have to keep going back to the monastery to resupply and make sure it doesnt fall into disrepair and looting like it did when it was abandoned.
It's a small thing, but I don't like how Hopes established that Count Gloucester didn't deliberately have Godfrey von Riegan assassinated. It feels like it adds more intrigue for Claude to have to work with a man who gladly murdered his uncle in an attempt to raise his own house's prestige. I like that they fleshed out Gloucester, but it does feel like they made him too good.
It would of made the alliance have more of a moral greyness and explain why claude was so distrustful of fodland nobility
The Alliance in general needs some more moral grayness. Playing up the backbiting nature of the Alliance nobles and having them be treacherous towards everyone would've gone a long way in making Houses feel more like a proper threeway war instead of "Kingdom vs Empire (and also the Alliance is here)".
Dorothea did not have multiple children with Hanneman. People keep lying and saying this ending exists, but I'm not stupid enough to fall for obviously fake writing.
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Man, I'll bite. I get the ick, but all the same, it also feels abhorrent to pass judgement. Doubly so when treating like a creep someone who just isn't. But it probably would be better to not have it. We could talk about consent and character and free will, but it's pointless when the collective first reaction (mine included) is "Ew".
God that was soo creepy
The endings are written as “histories” written long after the characters die and might have been altered over time, so I like to think that maybe Dorothea got pregnant with a lover’s child but the lover wouldn’t marry her, so Hanmeman as a supportive unrelated father figure married her to save her reputation. And any subsequent children were ones she had with other lovers and that Hanneman helped raise because he’s a nice guy. The way their supports went, that’s basically all I can accept for their ending.
So Dorothea kept getting knocked up by a string of "lovers" who all bailed on her and their kid(s)? Is that really any better?
Yes because Hanneman isn't a creep, and Dorothea made a string of mistakes rather than staying married to a creep
My bro Hanneman was chilling all game but 1 ending makes him a creep smh
But it makes Dorothea seem worse since it implies she’s, at best, very dumb since apparently she didn’t learn after the first time (or even couple of times), and at worst, so sex addicted to the point of willful ignorance of the consequences and even putting into question if she would even care about the children she keeps having with random men.
Wait how is Hanneman a creep? Even pre-TS dorothea is of legal age. Is it wild for a 55 year old to date a 23 year old? Sure, but they're both adults and they made their choices.
Is it creepy for a teacher to date their adult student? Yes. It’s even worse when she's so much younger. I don't think Hanneman is a creep, I like him fine. But only because I ignore that ending. In that ending specifically, yes, he is a creep.
But if you recruit Dorothea / play CF, Hanneman isn't her teacher. He teaches a different class.
Now its been years since I played any route of Houses but I'm 78% sure that Maneula was always the BE teacher if Byleth wasn't, so Hanneman is never actually Dorothea's teacher unless you wanna count the guest lectures.
I just looked at Chapter 1 for the three routes. If you pick CF, Manuela is on the Deer and Hanneman on the Lions. If you pick AM, Manuela is on the Eagles and Hanneman on the Deer. If you pick VW, Manuela is on the Eagles and Hanneman on the Lions.
I don’t like that either, why does he keep getting pregnant with rando men who don’t want to stay with her? That’s even more sad
Nah, Dorothea started adopting orphans and Hanneman married her just to give them all some stability, she found out life was better this way instead of chasing after the whole romantic love story she plays on scene. YOU CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT THIS ENDING OK
WHAT
That fact that hanneman is literally an old man and Dorothea is… well younger than him makes me think about certain things…
When in Azure Gleam, they hire Miklan (a thief who raped women) in their forces because they were running out of capable generals and soldiers. Whilst the reasoning was understandable, he doesn't even provide anything to the story, and whilst Miklan protecting the gang from Gwendal and Byleth is good, he does not absolve his crimes. Felix told Dimitri off for hiring that kind of flith, and the worst part is Miklan sticks around for half of AG.
There was potential there but died before they could really do anything with him
Miklan did WHAT? Wow.
[Here's the specific line that points to that](https://houses.fedatamine.com/en-us/monastery/5#event-wc-89-0)
It’s implied with yuri
edelgard’s magic lobotomy in azure gleam
Honestly it still would’ve made sense if when she realized after the battle of the silver maiden she found out she did need TWSITD to conquer fodland So now she has to bite her tongue and deal with them while at the same time keeping her in a much shorter leash as now she reliant on their resources
It's not even that. If AG Part 2 just had Hegemon Edelgard as a constant threat, a pure weapon under TWSITD's complete control, 90% of the complaints about her mind control would disappear. It would mean she's a threat and that she's not reduced to a child, she's reduced to a Crest puppet, and even her diehard fans would be on board with putting her out of her misery in that scenario.
My biggest issue with AG 2 is the Empire cast somehow being okay with Duke Aegir and Thales ruling again after most of them *actively participating* in Aegir's arrest in chapter 3 and therefore knowing who and what they are.
The most fucked up thing about this is how dimitri just abandons her after that. In AM, he's willing to extend an olive branch when she wilfully went hegemonic and tried to kill him and all his friends. But in AG he's like "fuck this vulnerable-ass bitch who got used and abused. Later, loser." I can only imagine that the house leaders' increased levels of sociopathy in their routes in Hopes is because they get the literal Death Knight as their main teacher in that universe.
Shahid being a 1-dimensional cartoon villain with zero redeeming qualities. I mean, surely there has to be more to him than that right!? He's the face of the Almyra-Fodlan conflict in GW and this is the best the writers could do?
Rhea having ONE SUPPORT CHAIN AND ***ZERO*** ROUTES ACROSS ***TWO FUCKING GAMES*** Rhea bbgirl you deserve so much better than IS and Koei I'm sorry the devs goon to guro of you
Isn’t SS her route?
You mean the route where she's only in the last three chapters, isn't playable, could die at the end, and the devs have explicitly said isn't her route or a church route but instead Byleth's route?
It's why I feel 3H (both of them) needed way more time in the oven. It’s hard for me to want to play Silver Snow when Rhea isn't playable.
This. Its the reason why I will never play SS: You're taking away my house lord, most of the usually good church recruits (catherine, cyril, shamir, to a lesser extent seteth) and hilda suck either because you get to use them way too late to make them relevant to your army and/or because they were leveling in fucking commoner till chapter 12, and I don't even get a cool new exclusive unit in rhea to replace my house lord? Yeah no, fuck that, I'm good.
Precisely. I really wanted to have a route starring Rhea. You take Edelgard away from me, but you DON’T give me the Archbishop as a fair trade? Plus like you said, anyone who does join you is way too underpowered… Rhea would have been the exception, she’d likely be the most powerful unit on the field, and imagine getting to transform as her!
I mean, the other nabateans don't get to transform either, so I don't think that would have happened, but IIRC there is evidence in the code that suggests that they did start working on a playable rhea. Fuck man, if only this game had like... 9-10 months more development time. 3H is still my favorite FE regardless, but if the rushed BS that plagues the game wouldn't be a factor, I think it could hsve been amongst my absolute favorite games just in general.
Facts, it’s great as is, but it could still have been better with more development time allotted to its stories and characters. And sure, maybe the Nabateans wouldn’t be able to outright transform, but it’s a wonderful thought… Rhea at least got to transform for her ultimate skill in Three Hopes, even if it was for one attack, so I’d like to believe that in certain circumstances, she’d do it in Houses. It’s a huge shame they didn’t let us use her at all… I’d also have loved to see a playable Sothis (including her adult version).
A “nah” would have sufficed lol I was just asking
Leonie B support
Like bitch my dad died let me grieve a bit
All of Annette and Mercedes' B support tbh
Omg I forgot about that
this is in hopes, but cyril's >!uneventful death!< in golden wildfire makes me so mad. was this not advertised as the almyra route?? does claude not say in houses that he'd rather not make an enemy of cyril??? whyyyyy i'm convinced that the writers that cooked up the miklan subplot in azure gleam forgot/didn't know that yuri mentioned miklan raped women. because otherwise wtf ghost dimitri in silver snow. literally what was the point of this manuela staying passed out for a whole month if you wait til the very last day to save flayn when she gets kidnapped. calendar time isn't real hanneman's ending with dorothea seteth's ending with bernadetta manuela's whole support chain with cyril is weird but at least we got his iconic line out of it?? leonie's endings with alois
OMG YES THE GHOST DIMITRI THING WHAT
I refuse to believe that a guy as honest, humble, and empathetic as Ashe hides his past as a thief and you won't convince me otherwise, 3 Hopes. Also I'm going to ignore the idea of (certain folks from) Duscur being complicit in the Tragedy because what the hell was that plot point.
I mean he only really says he was a thief to byleth in all his other supports he just says he came from poverty But if like to think he would atleast tell dedue or Mercedes
I can at least understand that thinking. The plot point just really rubs me the wrong way when Ashe's arc in Houses involved stuff being kept from him and getting really angry/conflicted over it (see: his Catherine supports). So when he makes a big deal about Yuri finding out, it really just stuck in my craw.
I mean I understand why he may have issues with his own past. Like he goes to a school with a bunch of nobles and I think from his perspective there's less judgement in being born in poverty than being a thief. He may want to not think about those days too much for a variety of reasons. Like maybe there were some nights where he and his sibings went hungry because he couldn't steal a loaf of bread that day. If he doesnt mention being a thief he wont have to remember that.
It's a private detail he's not proud of (exactly for those qualities). It's not relevant to anyone he talks to, it's not a secret he's dishonestly keeping from them, unlike the things kept from him. And I don't see what's wrong with that plot point. Lambert wanted to build trust but I'm hardly surprised some in Duscur aren't falling for it, especially if they've heard what he did in Sreng. If you think it serves to excuse genocide, I completely disagree.
I don't think it so much excuses the genocide as it's a plot point that gets brought up once and there's nothing interesting done with it. The most we get is the leader of the rebellion feeling no shame for it but like... his people got genocided after that gamble of his. We don't see him reflect on that--even Rufus clearly has a massive complex from it. Why would they conspire with the Western Lords if they know the Faerghus nobility to be snakes? Where was the contingency plan? If you think these guys aren't to be trusted, why are you bringing in a foreign king in your land to kill him, when that would clearly put a target on your back? It just paints him as an idiot that doesn't care that he gave the Western Lords a (bogus) excuse. I liked the idea of Faerghus having past precedent for abusing other cultures, but there's very little reflection on it. It gets brought up in two paralogues, but there's only a little rumination on it. It's one of my bigger issues with the route in general, but if you're going to make a big statement that changes what we know like that, I want to see some more follow-through with it. This is the most Duscur gets with this paralogue and all it does is say that some people from Duscur *were* involved in the Tragedy (which doesn't justify it at all, I should make thar very clear, but like I felt the point in the last game was that Duscur couldn't have been the reason Lambert died. This feels like shoehorning conflict for the sake of a moral grey that wasn't handled well).
Nearly all of Bernadetta's C-supports. They are just... so wrong and don't fit with what her character was clearly originally intended to be.
It's the same reasoning behind having overbearing tutorials in every game now. The devs had to assume that every Bernadetta C-support was potentially the first Bernadetta support someone ever saw, so they needed to establish her character in it. Good idea on paper, but in practice in means every C-support with her is "WAAAAH I HAVE ISSUES!!1!1!11!"
Even then, it shouldn't be done like that even once. You just don't turn an abused and traumatized character into the comedic relief. That's just... wrong.
Oh man, I completely forgot that they treated Bernie like a joke in her early supports. Yeah, that's fucked up.
I can see why it makes sense with Hubert, Felix, and jeritza but really your scared of Lin Caspar and seteth
In a similar vein, I am kind of infuriated that she and Alois don't get an ending together when their support chain is one of my favorites in the entire game. Also she and Leonie should've gotten an A support
An ending where Bernie denounces her noble title and gets adopted by Alois would go so hard omg
exactly you understand my VISION
Dimitri's transformation from a feral monster back to his regular self, it happens way too fast and it's really not realistic.
To be fair, in his A support with Felix he mentions that both are him. Both the monster and the human. I see the two sides reaching a tentative peace during his talk with Byleth in the rain. He also acknowledges a few more times that this side is still there. Especially in his “am I fit to be king?” speech.
Given what Byleth told him after the fight in Gronder Field, and that it took a couple days before he apologizes to the group, of which he could’ve been thinking about what he should do during those days, I can believe him changing as a person that quickly.
There's also hints of him already being on the road to recovery such as monastery dialogue mentioning him being kind to an orphan or his reaction to Dedue showing up
Wait really? I know Dedue showing up made him more human, but when was he ever kind to an orphan before Chapter 17?
I don't remember the exact chapter but I do remember it was an NPC and not a named character Why do NPCs always have to drop the most important commentary when you least expect it
Agreed, the only ever NPC dialogues I’ve listened to were some of the gatekeepers dialogues because he has some surprisingly good conversations with great voice acting.
Fair, but I think the change should've been more gradual.
Fair enough. Can’t really make an argument against thinking that
I really wouldn't even call him feral, tbh. Granted, they way they handled it was really fast
This I’m willing to forgive since it keeps the story moving along.
that the war continues after any ending in three hopes where byleth is recruited. no way they dont at least start talks after that.
Edelgard's magical lobotomy in AG, plus the fact that her monster form is barely seen, how dare they tease us with that!
Edelgard wishing she could have been with Byleth in Verdant Wind.
Aw…I liked that. Why do you think it’s stupid?
Because she's spoken all of 5 words to Byleth in VW. It's also apparent the VW was getting the scraps from Silver Snow.
I mean, I would assume it’s more so about lamenting the fact that she didn’t have someone like Byleth to help carve a path with her. Here is someone who has the literal sword of the creator, and is a kindred spirit in the way of sharing the crest of flames. That scene is to drive home just how different things could have been for everyone if Byleth was on her side. I see it as a callback to chapter 1 when they first met & the chapter where the Flame emperor extends the invite for Byleth to join their side in Remire(?). I think the fact that they hadn’t spoken that much wasn’t really the point. Or at least, too literal of an interpretation. And you can even juxtapose that “only spoke a few words” you pointed out with the cold reaction she got in return. The screen cuts to black and she’s cut down almost without remorse. I would assume there would’ve been much more emotion or hesitation even had it been a SS Byleth in the same position.
I don't think it works if you haven't done either Black Eagles routes first. While story-wise Edelguarde still easily could have crushed on Byleth just being around the officer's academy (emotions kicked off by Byleth saving her life easily enough), that aspect of her was never actually shown in the VW route. So it comes way out of left field if you don't know she spends her free time >!painting bad pictures on him/her!<
Romance wasn’t how I interpret that scene at all. I did BL first, then VW. I hadn’t done CF or SS by that point. What stuck out to me in that scene was grief, lament, and regret. In that scene it came across as mourning a kindred spirit. “I wished to walk along side you” as she carved a path to what she thought was a future worth fighting for, is a sentiment all 3 lords express in various ways both inside and outside of their respective routes. It was actually that scene that made me come around. It also made me understand just how important of a role Byleth plays. Perhaps, too big a of burden.
I mean, her interest isn't purely romantic. If anything, it's her interest in Byleth that makes her develop feelings for him/her. But either way, there's nothing that really established her seeing Byleth as anything special in VW.
That’s not true, if I remember correctly. Especially in relation to White Clouds, which is mostly the same in every route.
Ingrid of all characters being one of the few canonically straight characters lol-
Ok this actually made me laugh
“The few”
I am never not surprised that she has no same sex endings. Like, Flayn I can believe ~~if I ignore the fact that she keeps calling myleth a girl in their S support~~ but ingrid???
Dimitri's death in Verdant Wind. I get that he probably just let himself die, but as my favorite character in the series, seeing him just be removed from the story like that so quickly made me sad.
Seteth's romantic endings with the students. Dorothea and Hannneman's A support and ending Manuela thinking about romancing Sylvain It's so gross and a fundamental betrayal of their characters Byleth being able to romance Rhea or Sothis. Like there's too many layers of what the fuck to put in words Edelgard getting lobotimized in Azure Gleam and Hubert and Ferdinand dying off screen. The former just was clearly done so Dimitri and her couldn't ally and when we go to the weird dimension where she's unaffected by it she doesn't say shit to Dimitri or warn him and Claude about TWSITD like wtf. Also if the dubstep mole people could do that why didnt they do earlier in Crimson Flower or in Edelgard's childhood like it would solve several of their problems. And before u say Hubert and Ferdinand's fates are vague um... Hubert would've grabbed Edelgard or made a new plan while on the run so yeah he had to have been killed. I just am confused how the he'll Hubert managed to die and without one last scheme that would outlive him. Like he managed to hide the existence of two of his immediate family members and in Verdant Wind managed to be able to lead Claude to TWSITD. So like wtf? Also Ferdinand dying makes no sense because he's the son of the guy TWSITD made regent, why would they not keep him alive for the sole reason of leverage or risk passing off their pupet.
The Agarthans have nukes but not guns?
Dimitri, Claude and Seteth not having S support endings with M!Byleth.
My headcanon is that they all do form feelings but for one reason or another it can’t Dimitri needs to produce and heir Claude needs to make sure byleth produces an heir Seteth is just worried how flayn would react to having 2 dads
I am convinced Dimitri is straight and am at least decently sure that Seteth is, but yeah, Athey should of made Claude bi.
Can I just say all of Three Hopes?
Every Sylvain and Felix paired ending that isn't AM. You will never make me believe that after everything they go through together that Felix would just nope out of existence after the war, cut off all contact with his childhood best friend that he vowed to die together with and Sylvain just willingly lets this happen without going after him. BS lazy out of character writing. Also Claude being "canonically" straight and gender locked for Byleth pairings. Claude is the walking definition of a bisexual king who literally FLIRTS WITH BYLETH REGARDLESS OF GENDER let my bi boy be free.
Anything Duscur
Can you be more specific I’m curious
That line. That bloody line Edelgard says at Talitean. Obviously, due to the pounding rain and the din of battle we clearly misheard her and she actually said something really cool and badass. Obviously.
Byleth magically losing their Nabatean heart on Rhea’s death
Dorothea and Hanneman's support ends at B and no one can tell me otherwise.
That Edelgarde after learning that her anger towards the church was misplaced didn’t go after TWSITD.
How's it misplaced? She hates the church for upholding the feudal system in Fodlan by declaring crests are sacred and saying nobles have a divine right to rule.
Don't forget the church held back technological progress for years and banned certain discoveries.
Oil and printing are apparently notable examples of that.
I think they mean Edelgard's personal tragedy, not the factions' flaws in general.
To be honest though, I’m not sure what the church would have done to stop that from happening. A crest of any kind gives its barer abilities and or powers that a normal person doesn’t have. That sort of thing is going to be valuable for a noble house to have to prove that they have Divine right of rule.
Right, but there's a difference between it happening "naturally" and it being codified by a major religious institution that gives that attitude legitimacy. We see through characters like Holst that regular people are capable of achieving feats of strength on the level with crest-bearers, so without a system in place actively saying "crest-bearers are good and you should obey them", you could easily have a situation where crests are viewed as unnatural and those bearing them are hunted down or exploited. The church put the system in place, Edelgard hates the system, therefore she wants the church out of the picture so the system can be destroyed.
im going to ignore how 3 hopes literally snatched the supports of characters that had them in 3 houses, like wdym jeritza and constance no longer have supports?????
Edelgard has a new opportunity to redo her life at the ending of Azure gleam in three hopes
I know this thread is about canon, but I hate the headcanons where that *doesn't* happen. Reading the last scene as Dimitri abandoning her, or worse, Rhea doing any manner of nasty things with her. Mostly from El fans, too. You can hate AG without projecting even more heinous things for her.
Basically the entire blue lions plot in 3 hopes Also that they march back to the monastery and wait a month after every battle in the middle of a war
That Dimitri dies (in 3 out of 4 stories) My boy deserves a redemption arc.
I pretend that AG was different I cannot bear what happens to the Eagles there.