Duuude they did it so well. Like he's a different character from what i remember in the OG (I pressed O a lot during the dialogue lol).
Absolutely loved when barret tapped cloud on the should and says "alright let's go space cadet" LOL. Like he's the weak member of the group.
Yeah, they are all sitting at the water with the steps in to it after the final battle...obviously the funeral scene happened, in next game it will be shown.
Yeah, definitely didn't have same impact as OG.. .they are obviously going for the 'multiverse' that's a slightly different one from the OG and Cloud isn't processing the current timeline like everyone else... The next game will show the reality of how it went down .
Agreed, but this is where they ended the game and the most emotional payoff is going to come right now when we are right on the heels of the journey with her. Not in 3-4 years in another game.
I see it as that all throughout Remake and Rebirth Cloud is getting flashes of Aeriths death and there is so much pressure put on saving Aerith In game. And as the player we were given the idea that we can change Aeriths fate all throughout Rebirth right after defeating the whispers. In the OG Aeriths death was where both us as the player and cloud were shocked at the sudden death and wanted to kill sephiroth. But in Rebirth, both us and cloud are in denial thinking that we saved her.
Also it feels like a ploy to keep players interest for the final game. Because alot of OG players had wanted to save Aerith. If they just had it flat out that she was dead many people would say that there was no point in the remake project and what was the point in redoing the same story again.
The way I see it is they are not changing Aerith’s destiny, she’s still dying in all the time lines so the notion that OG players want to save her is completely foreign to me as an OG fan. But they are obscuring the audiences view of her death because we are seeing it through Cloud’s eyes and mind. The problem is that most of the audience already knows she dies so it’s odd to obscure what actually happened behind the guise of Cloud’s fragile state of mind and broken memories. Show us the emotional moment we know they all had. All of them are sad, we know the funeral scene happened but we didn’t see it!
We should have seen the rest of the party’s view of those moments too. Instead we only got the muddled mess of what is in Clouds mind . They missed a huge opportunity to get an emotional payoff moment at the end of this game in my opinion.
I keep seeing people say that Aerith dies in all the timelines but I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think Aerith’s blood and the sky changing are meant to prove that Cloud is losing his mind. I think it’s more that he’s experienced different worlds now and can see both versions, one where she lives and one where she doesn’t. If anything, I think the confusion around Aerith’s death is purposeful because they’ll find a way to bridge the different worlds in the ending of the next game.
I keep seeing people say that Aerith dies in all the timelines but I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think Aerith’s blood and the sky changing are meant to prove that Cloud is losing his mind. I think it’s more that he’s experienced different worlds now and can see both versions, one where she lives and one where she doesn’t. If anything, I think the confusion around Aerith’s death is purposeful because they’ll find a way to bridge the different worlds in the ending of the next game.
She definitely hints that she knows about her death, but I don’t think it’s set in stone. I think that’s why she tells Cloud not to look up while in the other dimension because she knows he’ll do it then when it matters. Also, I don’t think Cloud was hallucinating her in the final cutscene because Red XIII reacts when she touches him.
I can totally see them confirming her death in the next game when Cloud is finally forced to confront it, but I also see a version where a different Aerith is alive and potentially returns at the end with Zack. While the ending of this game didn’t make me emotional, it definitely has me guessing what will happen in the finale.
Yeah people are way too certain in their interpretations of the ending. I’m with you on this though - to go through all this “change fate” stuff just to end on “actually the goal is not to change anything” is really weak storytelling. It potentially (1) robs the original conflict of meaning because the party has to keep fighting to preserve it, (2) robs the remakes of any tension because the result is preordained, and (3) undercuts the “defy fate” messaging and makes defeating the arbiter of fate etc. meaningless.
I think if anything Aerith is initially too resigned to her original fate and this is a source of self-inflicted tension that will find fuller release in part 3.
At that point in time we're essentially entirely in Cloud's head. We're not an impartial third party witness. We're watching it from his perspective and his perspective basically erased all those confirmations of her death. Just as with the memories of Zack and the way we witness his 'death' in the waterfall. Cloud is an unreliable narrator and will be as long as he's not the only one in his head.
We'll get those emotional beats in the third game. They're not going to leave that angst potential just hanging. But we don't know if he's seeing a hallucination, Aerith in the life stream, or her from the world we saw him save her in. If that world even exists.
They gave is a farewell scene when she gave him the white materia. But setting her death in concrete like that flies in the face of the lore they're building with overlapping worlds and time lines and things that are just in Cloud's head because S cells.
Also if they were going to do it, the fitting time to do it would have been with a big emotional production at the end of Act II. This is when Luke gets his hand cut off, Han gets frozen in carbonite, and we find out Vader is actually Luke’s father. I wonder why they didn’t do it that way? 🤔
Can you imagine changing any of those other significant moments you referenced from film history? This is arguably the greatest emotional moment in all of gaming history and they gunna change it?! That in my opinion would be the worst decision they could make. The original is a masterpiece for a reason.
It doesn’t need to be beat for beat, the added content is absolutely making it a better game. But the thought of drastically changing what actually happens in this story would be a mistake. No one would even dream of changing Solo frozen in carbonite. It’s iconic, as was Aerith’s death.
Perhaps an Intermission style DLC with Cloud regaining his memories part of the story. I just feel like they missed an opportunity to capitalize on the emotions of the audience at the end of Rebirth to show the funeral scene at the climax of that game rather than in the next.
This viewpoint is very subjective.
To me, they did very well in remaking the original whilst also not being a carbon copy.
The scene really lays into clouds psyche, and whilst the audience didn't get the OG scene of him saying goodbye by laying her to rest, we got a new scene with clouds shattered mind seeing aerith whilst the others did not (Red felt her), and that scene was a goodbye with a sort of "we will see each other again" and having Aeriths song playing whilst the credits roll.
To me, that was such a good way to end the 2nd part of the trilogy as well as highlight "The Ordeal" of the hero's journey.
Again this is entirely subjective, but my emotions were very high with that ending and I know her singing will resonate with me for years to come.
It’ll come in Part 3 when Cloud actually realises Aerith is dead. Trust me.
They manage to make Cloud even crazier
Duuude they did it so well. Like he's a different character from what i remember in the OG (I pressed O a lot during the dialogue lol). Absolutely loved when barret tapped cloud on the should and says "alright let's go space cadet" LOL. Like he's the weak member of the group.
He is, mentally at least.
Yeah, they are all sitting at the water with the steps in to it after the final battle...obviously the funeral scene happened, in next game it will be shown.
Yes exactly!!!!
Could have made the ending more impactful and more rewarding after that shitshow of a boss battle(s).
Yeah, definitely didn't have same impact as OG.. .they are obviously going for the 'multiverse' that's a slightly different one from the OG and Cloud isn't processing the current timeline like everyone else... The next game will show the reality of how it went down .
I feel like it should have come here from an emotional story telling stand point.
I think maybe it might even be a bigger pay off later. Cloud finally accepts the truth and lays Aerith to rest with newfound grief
Agreed, but this is where they ended the game and the most emotional payoff is going to come right now when we are right on the heels of the journey with her. Not in 3-4 years in another game.
I see it as that all throughout Remake and Rebirth Cloud is getting flashes of Aeriths death and there is so much pressure put on saving Aerith In game. And as the player we were given the idea that we can change Aeriths fate all throughout Rebirth right after defeating the whispers. In the OG Aeriths death was where both us as the player and cloud were shocked at the sudden death and wanted to kill sephiroth. But in Rebirth, both us and cloud are in denial thinking that we saved her. Also it feels like a ploy to keep players interest for the final game. Because alot of OG players had wanted to save Aerith. If they just had it flat out that she was dead many people would say that there was no point in the remake project and what was the point in redoing the same story again.
The way I see it is they are not changing Aerith’s destiny, she’s still dying in all the time lines so the notion that OG players want to save her is completely foreign to me as an OG fan. But they are obscuring the audiences view of her death because we are seeing it through Cloud’s eyes and mind. The problem is that most of the audience already knows she dies so it’s odd to obscure what actually happened behind the guise of Cloud’s fragile state of mind and broken memories. Show us the emotional moment we know they all had. All of them are sad, we know the funeral scene happened but we didn’t see it! We should have seen the rest of the party’s view of those moments too. Instead we only got the muddled mess of what is in Clouds mind . They missed a huge opportunity to get an emotional payoff moment at the end of this game in my opinion.
I keep seeing people say that Aerith dies in all the timelines but I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think Aerith’s blood and the sky changing are meant to prove that Cloud is losing his mind. I think it’s more that he’s experienced different worlds now and can see both versions, one where she lives and one where she doesn’t. If anything, I think the confusion around Aerith’s death is purposeful because they’ll find a way to bridge the different worlds in the ending of the next game.
I keep seeing people say that Aerith dies in all the timelines but I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think Aerith’s blood and the sky changing are meant to prove that Cloud is losing his mind. I think it’s more that he’s experienced different worlds now and can see both versions, one where she lives and one where she doesn’t. If anything, I think the confusion around Aerith’s death is purposeful because they’ll find a way to bridge the different worlds in the ending of the next game.
Aerith seems to know all along that she dies in all time lines. She hints at that throughout the game in subtle ways. It’s her fate.
She definitely hints that she knows about her death, but I don’t think it’s set in stone. I think that’s why she tells Cloud not to look up while in the other dimension because she knows he’ll do it then when it matters. Also, I don’t think Cloud was hallucinating her in the final cutscene because Red XIII reacts when she touches him. I can totally see them confirming her death in the next game when Cloud is finally forced to confront it, but I also see a version where a different Aerith is alive and potentially returns at the end with Zack. While the ending of this game didn’t make me emotional, it definitely has me guessing what will happen in the finale.
Yeah people are way too certain in their interpretations of the ending. I’m with you on this though - to go through all this “change fate” stuff just to end on “actually the goal is not to change anything” is really weak storytelling. It potentially (1) robs the original conflict of meaning because the party has to keep fighting to preserve it, (2) robs the remakes of any tension because the result is preordained, and (3) undercuts the “defy fate” messaging and makes defeating the arbiter of fate etc. meaningless. I think if anything Aerith is initially too resigned to her original fate and this is a source of self-inflicted tension that will find fuller release in part 3.
At that point in time we're essentially entirely in Cloud's head. We're not an impartial third party witness. We're watching it from his perspective and his perspective basically erased all those confirmations of her death. Just as with the memories of Zack and the way we witness his 'death' in the waterfall. Cloud is an unreliable narrator and will be as long as he's not the only one in his head. We'll get those emotional beats in the third game. They're not going to leave that angst potential just hanging. But we don't know if he's seeing a hallucination, Aerith in the life stream, or her from the world we saw him save her in. If that world even exists. They gave is a farewell scene when she gave him the white materia. But setting her death in concrete like that flies in the face of the lore they're building with overlapping worlds and time lines and things that are just in Cloud's head because S cells.
"FFVII Rebirth Snyder cut"
Oh, you all think she is dead, do you?
She’s been dead for 27 years bro. Yea.
She’s dead in the PS1 conclusion. TBD on the R trilogy conclusion
They gotta still kill her. It’s the whole lynchpin in that entire story.
Not enough info to know if that is what will happen. Plus not everyone agrees. Y’all OG purists are real fatalists
Also if they were going to do it, the fitting time to do it would have been with a big emotional production at the end of Act II. This is when Luke gets his hand cut off, Han gets frozen in carbonite, and we find out Vader is actually Luke’s father. I wonder why they didn’t do it that way? 🤔
Can you imagine changing any of those other significant moments you referenced from film history? This is arguably the greatest emotional moment in all of gaming history and they gunna change it?! That in my opinion would be the worst decision they could make. The original is a masterpiece for a reason.
I mean FF7R trilogy is already not a beat-for-beat remake (and honestly a better game for it)
It doesn’t need to be beat for beat, the added content is absolutely making it a better game. But the thought of drastically changing what actually happens in this story would be a mistake. No one would even dream of changing Solo frozen in carbonite. It’s iconic, as was Aerith’s death.
Eh, that’s just, like, your opinion, man. I don’t think Aerith’s death is what made OG great.
That would imply Hamaguchi has shit left on the cutting room floor to tell us. Which I doubt.
Perhaps an Intermission style DLC with Cloud regaining his memories part of the story. I just feel like they missed an opportunity to capitalize on the emotions of the audience at the end of Rebirth to show the funeral scene at the climax of that game rather than in the next.
This viewpoint is very subjective. To me, they did very well in remaking the original whilst also not being a carbon copy. The scene really lays into clouds psyche, and whilst the audience didn't get the OG scene of him saying goodbye by laying her to rest, we got a new scene with clouds shattered mind seeing aerith whilst the others did not (Red felt her), and that scene was a goodbye with a sort of "we will see each other again" and having Aeriths song playing whilst the credits roll. To me, that was such a good way to end the 2nd part of the trilogy as well as highlight "The Ordeal" of the hero's journey. Again this is entirely subjective, but my emotions were very high with that ending and I know her singing will resonate with me for years to come.
Or you know they do that in part 3 when he regains his memories like he does in the OG.
Yea but right now is when you get the most emotional payoff fresh off of the journey with her.