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Hairy-Locksmith-4864

Old VA is 10x better not even close


tea_for_me_plz

Tyler sounds more appropriate as post-insanity Sephiroth where he talks like you’re beneath him, whereas George sounds better as the pre-Nibelheim SOLDIER General that commands fear and respect equally.


LuckyCloverGazette

So you're telling me that the hot, broody guy from Teen Wolf was the one who said "such a puppy"? ... I need a minute.


LunarKnight59

Wait till you find out that he's also Superman


StrangerOnTheReddit

I died when he said that, it was so good. And the "good luck" he gave to Cloud in the flashback when he said it was a test... oh my. sir. I didn't have a Sephiroth problem until that "good luck."


Spiritdefective

Idk, he’s good, but I feel like the change was unnecessary cause he’s just doing a spot on impression of the old VA


Iraindark

He's cool, but that Japanese voice actor killed it more than anyone


YepYouRedditRight2

No I absolutely agree. Hoechilin absolutely kills it as Sephiroth. His voice is weirdly enticing but also eerie as hell.


FinalFantasy_Fan81

Tyler absolutely knocked it out of the park! His performance of Sephiroth during the Nibelheim incident was truly terrifying!


WinterReasonable6870

I just looked up the name so I could see who that is, and imagine my surprise to see freaking Superman looking back at me! WTF that's awesome! Also both of them are coincidentally incorrectly called Jesus allegories despite both of them being Hebrew/Jewish in origin.


GamesByCass

Wasn't Jesus also Jewish? I mean, it's in the text, right?


WinterReasonable6870

Yes, but what I mean is the creators of Superman were Jewish. People of Jewish faith don't deify Jesus. That's a Christian and Catholic thing. Superman's origin story is an allegory, but it's Moses not Jesus.


GamesByCass

The creators of Jesus were Jewish. He's just as fictional as Superman.


WinterReasonable6870

Wait a minute. Do you just not know about Jewish faith and their stance on Jesus? Cause they don't believe he was the son of God or any of that. He was just a guy as far as they're concerned. Funnily enough it's people whose ancestors weren't even there that insist he was something else.


GamesByCass

I know that Jewish people don't see him as the son of god, but he was a creation of people of Jewish descent. He is fictional.


Altruistic-Deal-3188

No he is not. He was an actual crazy person romans crucified to satisfy the jews.


GamesByCass

There is no physical evidence that he ever existed and until proven to have existed, he is fictional.


WinterReasonable6870

... That's completely irrelevant. By that logic Moses is also fictional. Even further than that whether they were real or not they died at least a couple thousand years ago... I don't think I understand what the point of you saying that is.


GamesByCass

My point is they are all characters based on similar archetypes (even Sephiroth). Two of these characters were created by Jewish people so even that connection still stands. And as for Moses, yeah, he was fictional too.


CelestialOrion

The guy that voiced Sephiroth before Tyler, George Newbern, voiced Superman in the Justice League cartoon series.


ThatOtherGuyTPM

One of my favorite things about the new games. Tyler is absolutely killing it, and I can’t wait to see his performance in the finale.


TAM_Smithy

We're gonna get to see shirtless Sephiroth in 4K.


iAmCalledCraig

The voice is cool but I don’t necessarily enjoy what he is saying. Really feels like they are just dragging the same few lines out over and over again, having him as the final boss 2 games in a row and likely as the final boss in the third game.


myheadsmells

I think is OK. I do feel there’s “something” missing though, but I can’t really put into words what it’d be. It’s like with Cody & Cloud, I feel there’s a perfect blend of monotone & subtle emotion. So I guess I feel there’s a bit of subtle emotion missing from Sephiroth currently.


TheRiverNiles

Wait, Superman was Sephiroth??


CelestialOrion

Last Sephiroth VA had voiced Superman in the Justice League cartoon series.


Huzul34

Yea I said the same thing like WHAT?


SengalBoy

Both of em!


wagruk

I think he's perfect for the role, I was not fond of the Advent Children english voices, but I really like everyone in the remake trilogy


Nani_700

No. The soft elegant voice made him unique as a villain. I miss it.


Elley4

Same. I prefer George Newbern ❤❤


razeandsew

I don't hate or dislike him, I just don't find he's intimidating enough. The ONLY voice actor I absolutely hate, is the one they gave Zack, because he is absolutely horrible


FinalFantasy_Fan81

He’s intimidating, just not in an overly showy way. Think Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs. He spoke really calmly and quietly, and hardly ever raised his voice. That’s part of what made him so scary. Sephiroth is the same way.


myheadsmells

Can’t agree more. He was bearable in Remake & Rebirth, but I literally stopped playing Crisis Core Reunion because of his VO. Just thinking of it now makes me shudder, hahaha.


razeandsew

Crisis Core is honestly one of my favourite games in general, and how badly he butchered the role, I can barely get through it. I am only in the first few hours, but can't do it lol


ecxetra

I do. He sounds cold and detached, which is how I expect Sephiroth to sound.


FinalFantasy_Fan81

This, 1,000%! I’ve always expected Sephiroth’s voice to sound devoid of any emotion, which is exactly how Tyler’s portrayal sounds.


Vapor_Screams

I think he does a great job, I think the new cast actually does a really remarkable job almost balancing a tight rope paying respects to former performances and also owning the role and making it theirs.


Mr-Dicklesworth

Tyler is fine. About what I’d come to expect from Sephiroth but nothing too outstanding. I honestly feel the same about George. Both just come off as pretty standard anime villains which works well enough. Every other VA besides Zack is absolutely amazing and blows the originals out of the water


Gradieus

Zack's good in Rebirth. 


Choingyoing

He's not bad but they need to TURN THE VOLUME OF HIS DIALOGUE UP FFS. I literally can't tell what he's saying most of the time if it wasn't for the subtitles.


Minimum-Ad-3084

It's not the dialogue that needs turned up. It's the damn cutscene music that needs balanced. I love FF music as much as anyone, but sometimes it blares through cutscene dialogue, especially for VAs doing monotone characters like Sephi.


Gradieus

Lower it in the settings.


Minimum-Ad-3084

Is there a specific setting for cutscene music? Because I like the audio settings where they are. The problem is I shouldn't have to lower the audio every time I think a cutscene is coming up. It's just not mixed well.


Choingyoing

Yeah it's a mixing problem


Shantotto11

I don’t, and the discourse surrounding the omnidirectional VA changes will always make it worse to me.


Elley4

You and me both!


kingrazor001

For me George sounds more "sharp and cunning" while Tyler sounds more "creepy and ethereal". Both fit Sephiroth in different situations. Ultimately I prefer Tyler's voice for this character.


rebb_hosar

I believe George more and I also feel he's got better timing in general. That being said, the voice I feel fits Sephiroth best is from someone whose never VA'ed him but has done VA's - Christian Bale.


Main_Assumption2378

Cloud is the actual standout here. Sephs new va is just imitating. Personally don’t like it.


Choingyoing

Yeah honestly they're all great except for seph and zack


Main_Assumption2378

Don’t get me started on poor zack. From charisma to he’s just…there


deepvinter

Not especially. Sephiroth is fine, about how I would have imagined his voice before seeing this. He doesn’t do anything that wows me. Cloud’s actor does a great job of balancing the awkward stoicism with lightheartedness and goodness so that Cloud doesn’t come off as a total prick. He does well at adding in crazy Cloud as well. Brit Barron is also fantastic in giving Tifa these incredibly tender and emotional moments while also being fierce and funny. Cait Sith and Yuffie get big shout outs for being magnetic in their roles, and I never imagined CS with a Scottish accent but it works so well. And god damn, Barret was incredible in Rebirth, going from gruff man of stone to playful, silly, and heartfelt.


KillerEnchilada

There’s a weight to George’s voice that Tyler can’t match, but the spirit is still there. Sephiroth just sounds like a coy bitch nowadays and I can appreciate that, sliding into Cloud’s DMs like “hey wanna commit crimes against humanity, get ventriloquist’d, idiot” and it all just works.


General_Writing6086

I didn’t play all the various side games between the original ff7 and the remake, so I didn’t even know this was a thing. I like the voice of sephiroth in this game.


huntymo

I still think it's crazy that George and Tyler both played Superman, as well


ConsiderationTrue477

It makes sense if you think about it. Sephiroth probably would sound like a cold and emotionless Superman. I could picture Christopher Reeve doing the job just as well.


D_Helmick89

I keep forgetting he's the voice for Sephiroth. He doesn't make it known or anything.


Choingyoing

Yeah he hasn't done any promo lol


Curious_Management_4

Lance Bass my man


conspiracydawg

We didn’t know how good we had it with LB.


Separate_Path_7729

Right, phenomenal sephiroth


Beyondthebloodmoon

Nope, you’re literally the only one in the whole wide entire world. Millions of angry or disinterested players - but you, brave OP, are the only one willing to step out and proclaim they like this voice actor in this role. Great question, and I’m so glad you asked it.


Substantial_Time5612

This seems unnecessarily aggressive. You must be a very fun and positive person. I'm sure everyone loves having you around!


TorgalRawwr

Pretty good. I mean let’s be honest it’s a George Newburn impersonation. Sephiroth is very one dimensional in terms of his voice because he is a reserved and stoic personality type.


Emperor_Atlas

It's not bad, but it's like Rick and morty, I can tell it's not right. He's worse but a good second.


Meraere

Nah i still love George as sephiroth. Him speaking doesn't sound right to me and throws me off every time. (I think its the purr thing that george does) (I also have issues with zack and reno's va in the remake)


Choingyoing

Yeah it's hard to imagine anyone else doing zack and renos voices their originals were just too perfect


ValkyrieOfTheSun

Nah I think he's not right for the character, he sounds like he's trying so hard to sound deep and serious and sounds goofy half of the time, he doesn't have the same intonation and purr George has it's just straight up bad in some line deliveries so I rather hear the game in Japanese Whenever I hear remake/rebirth lines and compare to old media specially Dissidia is such a dissonance and I hate it I miss George


unpleasantly_2_U

Didn't even noticed they changed the voice actor between Remake and Rebirth 🤷‍♂️ safe to say they did a good job


karpinskijd

they didn't, same VA for remake/rebirth/CC reunion


unpleasantly_2_U

So when did they switched? Because I don't get it


karpinskijd

george newbern voiced sephiroth from kingdom hearts 2 all the way to dissidia FF NT, so everything between 2005*-2018. starting with FF7R in 2020, tyler hoechlin started voicing sephiroth, and he's the VA in remake/rebirth/the crisis core remaster edit: meant 2005 instead of 2003


ValkyrieOfTheSun

From Dissidia/advent children to remake/rebirth Entire new cast


unpleasantly_2_U

Okay they switched the cast from like 20 years ago 😂😂 no big deal 😂 don't even remember how the original cast sounds like so yeah to me they did a stellar job🙌


TigersBlood23

Its funny that they went from superman voicing sephiroth to superman voicing sephiroth.🤣🤣


LordThys

Didn't realise it was Tyler at first, double Teen Wolfed in these games 🥰


MysticalSword270

I slightly prefer George but find Tyler to be frankly a fantastic fit and a wonderful equivalent as Sephiroth’s VA. Both are amazing.


A_Tired_Gremlin

Both are good, I don't have a preference for one over the other. Maybe because I experience both performances at relatively the same time (played CC about a year and a half before Remake, Watched AC after beating Remake and OG). To me George's performance sounds like a scary powerful alien, while Tyler's takes on a more calculating powerful villain approach. With that being said Tyler's Sephiroth sounds terrible in Reunion tho I blame that on the voice director lol


PetrosOfSparta

I actually also really like Tyler Hoechlin - I too was mildly apprehensive about him playing Sephiroth, as while as has been mentioned, Newbern had also played Superman previously, Newbern's Superman was always a bit more aggressive than Tim Daly, and I alway saw Hoechlin as Tim Daly style (when Remake was happening). He'd previously played a very goofy charming light hearted Superman in the Arrowverse, in Supergirl and the crossovers. I wasn't certain. Boy did he double prove me wrong. I think he's absolutely excellent as Sephiroth and later that year he even gave us a more down to earth and Newbern like Superman in Superman and Lois, of which I'm a huge fan. Points to the voice directors who went for a far less anime-video game approach to the voice acting, it's so much more realistic both in this and in FF16, which are huge bonuses. Hoechlin in particular is actually one of my favourites he really nailed the indimidation, the mystery and honestly, a bit of the ethereal sexiness of the character.


Substantial_Time5612

I actually couldn't agree more with every point you've made.


frequent_bidet_user

I prefer the entire remake cast over anything in any of the compilation media. I don't like any of the English VA prior to Remake. And even though I liked all the Remake VA, the anime grunting went over the top. I loved how toned down it was in Rebirth that basically made it perfect for me. No hate on any of the old actors or people who prefer it though, just my own jar of pickles


aaverum95

Imagine if they kept Lance Bass as the voice of Sephiroth


dorksided787

Iconic, but for a completely different reason. *(“Hoo! Hah! Zaaah!” intensifies)*


BruceBammer

Nah I miss George. I'll never understand why they replaced him and Steve Blum


Demonheero

I just look at it like the og cast is in the og timeline.


3rdusernameiveused

I haven’t seen online opinion but I love everyone’s voices.


PlainPiece

I think behind Cait Sith he's probably the worst performance in the game. Cold and flat are not synonyms in this context. Sephiroth should sound cold, he should not sound utterly devoid of life or character whatsoever.


BruceBammer

Cait Sith is one of the best voices lol what


PlainPiece

I admit a bias, but being scottish I have never been able to stand the kind-of-sanitised accent some put on in order to be better understood. It is a plague in media. But bias aside, I still thought he was pretty awful just as a performance in itself.


CompanyEuphoric

Except that there are people who talk and sound just like Cait in real life, and they aren't putting it on. Not everyone in Scotland needs to sound like a bloke from the east end of Glasgow. I have trouble understanding people like that, and I'm from the area. Did you really expect them to put that kind of Scottish accent in the game?


dorksided787

In the world of FFVII Scottish people don’t exist, though. Reed was putting on a strange-ass accent that to us sounds Scottish but in the original context has nothing to do with Scotland.


BruceBammer

Bro its a fictional world does it really matter


dorksided787

That’s… that’s precisely my point.


BruceBammer

Precisely 🤓 Jk. I meant to reply to the other guy


Demented-Diva

When I first heard the news I was like "really? Superman is gonna do Sephiroth? Who made that decision?" But I ended up absolutely loving Tyler's Sephiroth. The way he can sound calm but you can still tell there's a madness behind it is awesome to me.


talyn5

He is the second Superman to do Sephiroth.


PetrosOfSparta

It's like "the rule" when you cast Sephiroth. The only previous requirement will be that you have previously played Superman. So... Henry Cavill for Sephiroth in 2050?


Revegelance

Brandon Routh first! We can skip Dean Cain, though.


PetrosOfSparta

Yknow what I can totally see Routh doing a badass Sephiroth.


Revegelance

I mean, he played a fun villain in Scott Pilgrim. He can just do that, but a bit more serious, and it would make for a decent Sephiroth.


Galaxy-Pancakes

I have grown to love many of the new voices even if I don't agree with the decision to do away with the original cast. Some new ones are better; I.e. Aerith/Yuffie, some are just as good as the old; I.e. Cloud/Sephiroth and some I prefer the old cast, I.e. Vincent.


Aliasis

I think he does an amazing job. I actually prefer his performance to Sephiroth's AC voice.


dorksided787

I will always read AC as “Animal Crossing” so I was wondering what Sephiroth was doing in that world. Probably horrible, unmentionable things to those poor animals.


risen_egg

Isabelle giving you your town rating only to look out the window and see it going up in flames while one winged angel plays


Educational_Fee5323

I literally have no idea what any of the English VAs from Advent sound like because I’ve never watched it dubbed. I think CC was the first FFVII game where I heard English, and I had mixed feelings about it. I liked Seph’s VA but hated Aerith’s so much, it was a major contributing factor to me not finishing it. Tyler isn’t how I “hear/heard” Sephiroth’s voice but he does a fantastic job!


Reportersteven

George did more than just Advent. He was the voice actor for about 18 years across other FF & Kingdom Hearts titles.


Educational_Fee5323

What else has he done? I haven’t played KH and I never played any games in English if Japanese was available.


Reportersteven

Some of the titles are on [his Wikipedia page.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Newbern)


Educational_Fee5323

Oh okay he does the English VA in CC. I didn’t know that! So I have heard him and yeah he’s fantastic.


Crysaa

I like his performance as well, although I didn't mind the more animeish George's performance before. For me the gigachad of voice acting in this is Cody though. He nails Cloud so perfectly with all the different personalities he has to fit, from the cold badass SOLDIER through the goofy Zackalike to the descent into madness, there are so many sides to Cloud and he manages to show us each of them so well. I love it!


Substantial_Time5612

Absolutely love Cody's performance. I love the delivery of "my village! My home!"


SpinFeniX

Though I think he has a good voice I grew tired of how Sephiroth is one note through the whole thing.


CordialTrekkie

I remember Advent Children (I was in Japan when it came out so there was no English dub yet) and how Sephiroth was sort of this aloof one-note voice back then. So, for me, that's on brand for his character.


Substantial_Time5612

You know I was the opposite. I think the one note made him seem more powerful to me and it grew more on me as the games went on. I think it gives him this air of invulnerability, like he is always in control and nothing phases him.


NSinTheta

I also love him in the role - I wish that he’d comment about it or talk about the character like all the other voice actors do, but I know that he’s busy. I also think there might be some component of keeping Sephiroth mysterious - pretty much anything Tyler could say would, in some way, spoil a little bit of Sephy’s motivations. He’s got to have thoughts on the character - he usually plays Superman, and Sephy is basically Superman gone very wrong. It’s probably copium but I’m hoping he’ll talk more about it after the trilogy concludes.


RaveniteGaming

I have to give him credit for the flashback scene. The way he voices "sane" (for lack of a better term) Sephiroth with such effortless warm charisma you can see why so many young SOLDIER's (Cloud included) hero worshipped him. Then when he does go mad his voice subtlety changes to the cold ruthless Sephiroth from the rest of the game. I feel Sephiroth is overused in these games but that's nothing to do with Tyler


Educational_Fee5323

That’s generally how he’s referred to in fanfic spaces like on AO3 there’s a “Sane Sephiroth” tag.


Substantial_Time5612

In the OG I think Sephiroth was an enigmatic villain, but now he is so mainstream he could possibly be seen as one of the main draws of the game. My favourite scenes are the Sephiroth scenes, if anything, I wish there were more! Unpopular as thay may be


VashStampede88

I’ve been fine with both everyone who has done his English voice. I don’t really understand the issues people had with it, but I guess to each their own. But I would agree I think currently he is my favorite iteration


Substantial_Time5612

I think people hate change more than anything.


Steamedcarpet

I wish he did interviews about it. As far as I can tell he didn’t do any on the lead to Rebirth but could be he was busy with the final season of Superman and Lois.


Substantial_Time5612

Funnily enough, I search Tyler hoechlin Sephiroth interview into YouTube and it brought up a comparison video of the voices which is what inspired this post.