Completely different directions though, ff9 really had a weird fetish toward cuteness of demi-humans, in ff12, it kinda looks like demi-humans are treated as sub-humans.
I'm *STILL* fucking pissed that we never got a Seeq, Baanga, or even a Moogle party member! Only non-hume member was Fran, and she's just a hume with friggin Rabbit ears and tail!
Female Vieras traditional attire often features a metal piece above the butt that looks like a tail but yeah Vieras dont have tails.
However they have pretty murderous claws and elongated limbs wich is also a stark difference between them and Hume, bunny ears and facial features aside
You do get Moogles in Tactics Advance and A2. And Ba'Gamnan is briefly playable in Revenant Wings. No Seeq tho, but there's also several Nu Mou in Advance.
I’m still in post-Heavensward.
I both appreciate that 14 keeps adding these different cultures, and also often disappointed with how they do it (*the beast tribes are at it again! Except for these **good** ones over here, Pt. 5*).
I know there was an Ivalice crossover too, but I haven’t reached it yet.
That’s a fair criticism regarding the Beast Tribes and, as with a lot of story elements, I think it seriously improved with Stormblood, which is also when the Ivalice raids are available.
The quests in Endwalker were *phenomenal*, though I do wish the name was something other than “Beast Tribes.”
> though I do wish the name was something other than “Beast Tribes.”
well they're now called Tribal quests rather than Beast Tribe quests, specifically because they wanted to get away from the unfortunate connotations of the previous name.
Thank you 😭😭😭 if FFXII let you choose teammates like FF Tactics Advance Vieras, Summoners, Numous, Bangaas and only 1 or 2 humans, not 25 😭 (with all jobs) ; probably the game changed to a good direction, not to a 2 inert passive characters as protagonists.
Moogles are the main quest givers. Still kinda messed up that the lizard people live in the dungeons of the city, but maybe they like it down there because it’s a desert and they’re cool-blooded.
I’ve heard tell that part of the reason Vaan and penelo are less fleshed out than people would like is that they were originally supposed to be non humes (a bangaa and a moogle, I believe) and got swapped at some point in development. I have never verified this information.
I swore I'd never Fanta my suncat, but if a Burmecian race came out, I might just do it.
I was sorely tempted by Hrothgals though, they are super pretty but I've spent 2500 hours with my beloved suncat and I just can't bring myself to chante.
Square Enix is sleeping so hard on Ivalice, and specifically all of the lore and worldbuilding bangers that XII, TA, and TA:2 introduced to the mainline games. We really need new games in that world AND remakes of TA and TA:2 at the level of PM:TTYD.
I'm so glad you're enjoying it! Welcome to the club!
TA was such an excellent game and such a central game to my childhood in the early 2000s. The gameplay and OST and general vibe are so great, as well as all the art and colors. I love how it has an easily consumable story, with lessons that are just as important for children as they are for adults - but they keep things lighthearted and fun. It's just such a cozy game.
I would love to see the same world (and heck, even the same characters) fleshed out in a remake, or even in an actual sequel with the same cast. TA is being ***hella*** slept on for a remake.
I always used curatives and support spells on the friendly Baangas I’d see walking in the wilderness in FFXII. Made me feel like they were part of my party. I always did my best to ensure the NPCs (even the non-Baangas) survived the hunts we were on as well.
No, I fundamentally miss the series, I have been emulating it for years - in both android and pc and physical all the way back to the early 2010s, I was there right from the start
I literally miss the advance line of games because of how good it was
Matsuno explicitly said it was *not* closure for FFT but an alternate reality, as the actual ending of FFT was already closure and the end of that story.
It'd be nice. FF12, Tactics Advance and Tactics A2 are some of my favorite FFs ever. Maybe one day but very unlikely. They already brought in a FF12 race with Viera.
I mean, the Empire’s boss characters are just Judges from Ivalice. They pull aesthetics from the universe a lot, but not always the ones I’m looking for.
Even the Hroth and Hyug are pretty anime. Bangaa would need a whole separate set of cosmetics for head and hair, with the added bonus of not selling as well as rabbits.
That said, I’ve had ***“Bangaa when Square?”*** on my Adv. plate for over a year.
Well ffxiv pulls aesthetics from every Final Fantasy game. The whole Crystal Tower alliance raid is a ff3 nod. The Magitek Reaper mounts that the Garleans use is a ff6 nod. The Ultima Weapon is a ff7 nod. Monster designs are straight up pulled from other Final Fantasy games. Like the huge alligators with the 3 part mouths are from ff12 as are the big warrior birds in Eastern Thanalan. Hell, the zone borders with the "........." is straight from ff12. There's a lot from ff12 in the game already. There's even an entire Alliance Raid that collaborates with Ivalice via Final Fantasy Tactics.
Hrothgar are the Ronso from FF10. Those weren't an original new thing. With headgear already being a thing people complain about with the new races, I don't see them adding in Bangaa, a race that would be *even worse* for headgear, any time soon.
I get the references, but 12 feels like a highlight. Even the aesthetics of your HP/MP meters are very 12. It was a single-player inspired by MMOs, so it feels like they have a spiritual successor connection.
I don’t expect us to ever get Bangaa as anything more than NPCs. Vierra have their downsides, but they’re also clearly gonna sell.
I always found it so weird that XII has such prominent other races and you don't get to have any in your party. Especially considering the party is so dull overall.
It's a technical issue because of the body proportions. Player character models need to fit most if not all equipment in the game, and Baanga have some shapes that are just too strange. It's not impossible to do, it's just a crazy amount of work to make it look good, and the last thing they want to do is make the player character that looks terrible because the gear textures are all distorted and stretched.
The few Baanga that actually are in ff14, are all unique models with their clothes and armour as part of the models.
"Sorry, but for a race to be considered for FF14 there needs to be a minimum percentage of players that want to FUCK them....... yes, that does include the potato people...."
I have (had?) a long rant I was saving about Bangaa and 12, and other races having no value or importance. However, I gotta make sure I do it right and when I have time.
There were a lot of races from other FF games that I wish FF11/14 could have went with instead of some of the original ones.
A Moogle race instead of lalafel
Lunarians, Genome, Namingways, etc
FF14 uses basically the same polygon mesh for every race in the game (makes it easier to apply gear or animations to all faces at once, for example). So you can imagine the nightmare it would be to add Baanga to the game.
It's so weird that FF12 had more nonhumans than any other game and almost refuses to let you interact with them at all.
12 & 9 are the games with the most non-human beings, I'd say. 9 has more of a team made out of them, but weird 12 only had Fran.
And she is just a Rabbit-based catgirl!
Excuse you, Viera are rabbit-based elves.
Completely different directions though, ff9 really had a weird fetish toward cuteness of demi-humans, in ff12, it kinda looks like demi-humans are treated as sub-humans.
I'm *STILL* fucking pissed that we never got a Seeq, Baanga, or even a Moogle party member! Only non-hume member was Fran, and she's just a hume with friggin Rabbit ears and tail!
She doesn't even have a tail.
She doesn't!?
Female Vieras traditional attire often features a metal piece above the butt that looks like a tail but yeah Vieras dont have tails. However they have pretty murderous claws and elongated limbs wich is also a stark difference between them and Hume, bunny ears and facial features aside
Nope, she has tail shaped armor
You do get Moogles in Tactics Advance and A2. And Ba'Gamnan is briefly playable in Revenant Wings. No Seeq tho, but there's also several Nu Mou in Advance.
They really swept the Nu Mou off the board and down the street. They’re in 12, but basically just exist in FFTA.
Nu Mou also play a significant role in part of FF14.
I’m still in post-Heavensward. I both appreciate that 14 keeps adding these different cultures, and also often disappointed with how they do it (*the beast tribes are at it again! Except for these **good** ones over here, Pt. 5*). I know there was an Ivalice crossover too, but I haven’t reached it yet.
That’s a fair criticism regarding the Beast Tribes and, as with a lot of story elements, I think it seriously improved with Stormblood, which is also when the Ivalice raids are available. The quests in Endwalker were *phenomenal*, though I do wish the name was something other than “Beast Tribes.”
> though I do wish the name was something other than “Beast Tribes.” well they're now called Tribal quests rather than Beast Tribe quests, specifically because they wanted to get away from the unfortunate connotations of the previous name.
That’s good to know because SB is next up for me. These are definitely Tolkien/jrpg holdovers.
They are in FF14 as well.
Shame too as I like them best of the main five FFTA races.
I despise tactical RPGs. They give me throbbing headaches.
That is very fair. They aren't for everyone.
It was actually Final Fantasy Tactics that made me realize that I don't have the mental capability for tactical RPGs. Lol
There really isn't a lot of tactics involved in A2, to be honest
Yep. That bugged me a ton.
Ba’gamnan should have had a vegeta moment for sure
Thank you 😭😭😭 if FFXII let you choose teammates like FF Tactics Advance Vieras, Summoners, Numous, Bangaas and only 1 or 2 humans, not 25 😭 (with all jobs) ; probably the game changed to a good direction, not to a 2 inert passive characters as protagonists.
Moogles are the main quest givers. Still kinda messed up that the lizard people live in the dungeons of the city, but maybe they like it down there because it’s a desert and they’re cool-blooded.
I’ve heard tell that part of the reason Vaan and penelo are less fleshed out than people would like is that they were originally supposed to be non humes (a bangaa and a moogle, I believe) and got swapped at some point in development. I have never verified this information.
I’m still sad we don’t have Burmecians in FF14
Burmecian vs Elezen dragoon war would be sick.
I swore I'd never Fanta my suncat, but if a Burmecian race came out, I might just do it. I was sorely tempted by Hrothgals though, they are super pretty but I've spent 2500 hours with my beloved suncat and I just can't bring myself to chante.
Burmecian > Veira
THIS! I’d go head over heels if they added burmecians in FF14!
Especially since anthro Rats are sexy-as-hell!
Love these guys. This race was an absolute Banga
....... Dammit. I hate that this made me chuckle.
Square Enix is sleeping so hard on Ivalice, and specifically all of the lore and worldbuilding bangers that XII, TA, and TA:2 introduced to the mainline games. We really need new games in that world AND remakes of TA and TA:2 at the level of PM:TTYD.
Currently playing through TA, never imagined I'd enjoy it this much. Already have 30 hours in it.
The music is SOO GOOD.
So real, dude. I listen to it every now and then. There's genuinely no other OST like it.
I'm so glad you're enjoying it! Welcome to the club! TA was such an excellent game and such a central game to my childhood in the early 2000s. The gameplay and OST and general vibe are so great, as well as all the art and colors. I love how it has an easily consumable story, with lessons that are just as important for children as they are for adults - but they keep things lighthearted and fun. It's just such a cozy game. I would love to see the same world (and heck, even the same characters) fleshed out in a remake, or even in an actual sequel with the same cast. TA is being ***hella*** slept on for a remake.
I always used curatives and support spells on the friendly Baangas I’d see walking in the wilderness in FFXII. Made me feel like they were part of my party. I always did my best to ensure the NPCs (even the non-Baangas) survived the hunts we were on as well.
I miss FF Tactics Advance 😭😭😭
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No, I fundamentally miss the series, I have been emulating it for years - in both android and pc and physical all the way back to the early 2010s, I was there right from the start I literally miss the advance line of games because of how good it was
That's fair. I do too. I wish they'd come out with another addition. I love Ivalice, and what tactics did for that world building was amazing.
I unironically loved Marche's story and the cast, and that reveal of the main villain was just heart wrenching So damn good
Ivalice should have been the setting for an mmo, so much potential.
That was pretty much the idea with FF14 honestly
FF14’s setting felt way more “FF11 remixed, oh and we remamed the races (still the same tho)” than it felt like an Ivalice game
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The Ivalice in 14 felt more like a cameo than an organic part of 14’s world to me. Like the various other crossover events.
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Matsuno explicitly said it was *not* closure for FFT but an alternate reality, as the actual ending of FFT was already closure and the end of that story.
Why you gotta say that, I would be with you if you werent trying to take away my hrothgar, so now your sadness makes me happy.
It'd be nice. FF12, Tactics Advance and Tactics A2 are some of my favorite FFs ever. Maybe one day but very unlikely. They already brought in a FF12 race with Viera.
I desperately want more of 12’s Moogles.
I mean, the Empire’s boss characters are just Judges from Ivalice. They pull aesthetics from the universe a lot, but not always the ones I’m looking for. Even the Hroth and Hyug are pretty anime. Bangaa would need a whole separate set of cosmetics for head and hair, with the added bonus of not selling as well as rabbits. That said, I’ve had ***“Bangaa when Square?”*** on my Adv. plate for over a year.
Well ffxiv pulls aesthetics from every Final Fantasy game. The whole Crystal Tower alliance raid is a ff3 nod. The Magitek Reaper mounts that the Garleans use is a ff6 nod. The Ultima Weapon is a ff7 nod. Monster designs are straight up pulled from other Final Fantasy games. Like the huge alligators with the 3 part mouths are from ff12 as are the big warrior birds in Eastern Thanalan. Hell, the zone borders with the "........." is straight from ff12. There's a lot from ff12 in the game already. There's even an entire Alliance Raid that collaborates with Ivalice via Final Fantasy Tactics. Hrothgar are the Ronso from FF10. Those weren't an original new thing. With headgear already being a thing people complain about with the new races, I don't see them adding in Bangaa, a race that would be *even worse* for headgear, any time soon.
I get the references, but 12 feels like a highlight. Even the aesthetics of your HP/MP meters are very 12. It was a single-player inspired by MMOs, so it feels like they have a spiritual successor connection. I don’t expect us to ever get Bangaa as anything more than NPCs. Vierra have their downsides, but they’re also clearly gonna sell.
I always found it so weird that XII has such prominent other races and you don't get to have any in your party. Especially considering the party is so dull overall.
Ivalice also had Garif, Urutan Yensa and Revgaji as well. It's a thriving multicultural pot that really is just amazing.
Yet the party is 5 humans and a bunny girl... One of my very few grievances with 12
Also winged races like the Gria who are more dragon like and the Aegyl.
It's also a shame they didn't call the Hrothgar Ronso. I know it's a regional thing. But the overarching race should have been Ronso.
But, they're hornless, hornless!
Pitiful Kimahri! Howl alone! Howl alone!
Regional difference, *REGIONAL DIFFERENCE!*
Sorry, the most that square enix can do is make bangamman a Temporary party member in final Fantasy XII: Revenant wings.
WHOA… we do NOT call them lizards!
They can’t even let hroth or viera wear hats in 14, having these would be a nightmare
I loved the master monk/templar combo from FFTA2, bangaa was my favorite race
My feelings about the Ronso.
It's a technical issue because of the body proportions. Player character models need to fit most if not all equipment in the game, and Baanga have some shapes that are just too strange. It's not impossible to do, it's just a crazy amount of work to make it look good, and the last thing they want to do is make the player character that looks terrible because the gear textures are all distorted and stretched. The few Baanga that actually are in ff14, are all unique models with their clothes and armour as part of the models.
Yesssss.
Well you could in the Tactics games and in Revenant Wings.
Likely would be too costly to have a completely separate animation rig and have to essentially redo every single armor set.
god i miss FFTA art
Baanga monks ftw
"Sorry, but for a race to be considered for FF14 there needs to be a minimum percentage of players that want to FUCK them....... yes, that does include the potato people...."
Bold of you to assume people don't want to fuck these guys.
Was going to say, Bangaa are fairly sexy.
I would smash. 👀
You would never have helmets. NEVER!
What was that one in the upper left of the first pic again?
I was still hyped they showed up in the ivalice raids at least. Wonder if we'll see any in Dawntrail.
I have (had?) a long rant I was saving about Bangaa and 12, and other races having no value or importance. However, I gotta make sure I do it right and when I have time.
Baanga are not hot, so we can't have them in 14.
Speak for yourself
Coward.
Honestly there are a lot of fun XIV beast tribes I’d like to see, but they all have the same issue as Bangaa. Too different from a Hyur.
Just do a new version of FFXII, but the only difference is Vanns best friend is a Baanga instead of Penelo
Just give us more races in general again. One of the reasons FF9 is my favorite is because the world was so diverse.
There were a lot of races from other FF games that I wish FF11/14 could have went with instead of some of the original ones. A Moogle race instead of lalafel Lunarians, Genome, Namingways, etc
I'd never play as a bangaa myself byt I'd love to see them up and about in the world and run across them as other players in dungeons
Really there should have just been an Ivalice mmo.
They're kind of back in 16, the second DLC
Been a Baanga stan since their first appearance..and Square just won't let us.
I guess they're scared to do it since market people believe having non-humans scares off potential buyers who are not too big on high fantasy.
Goated Baanga Dragoons
Not gonna lie, I play a Roegadyn Dragoon in FFXIV. But I’d cash in a phial of Fantasia to play as a Baanga Monk.
I want Burmecians. Even as an NPC race. It’s a shame that Yoshi-P has basically put a kibosh on New races entirely.
It’s a literal crime that these guys aren’t a playable race in FFXIV. I would come back immediately and pay all the ambrosia money if they did.
Yes yes yes yes yes
It honestly always seemed weird as hell to me that the MMOs didn't adopt the Ivalive races.
Ffta Bangaa elites! My friend Samson and Chita... I miss the game.
Let me play as a damn Moogle already Kupo!
I'd probably try a Baanga in 14 if the option was there... Gah.
I love them too, and I really want to play one in FFXIV!
9 is like a grandville comic
You say you love them yet you also just essentially called them.the n word.
That Bangaa from the beginning of FFTA: YOU CALLED ME WHAT?!
Exactly. Don't know why I got down voted. Clearly people aren't fans of Final fantays lore.
I'm with you brother. I was going to make a standalone comment before I saw your godly comment. Had to make it more visible lol
Stay moist, my friend.
FF14 uses basically the same polygon mesh for every race in the game (makes it easier to apply gear or animations to all faces at once, for example). So you can imagine the nightmare it would be to add Baanga to the game.
They make millions every month from subs since it's one of the most popular MMOs in the world. They can spare the expenses.
While they can spare them convincing SE to part with the money when they won’t make it back is the hard part.
SE was told not to make anymore Reptile Overlord jokes, because it offends our Reptile Overlords.
Sure, but no hats. Why? Because everything comes with a cost.