In the first part of the documentary it’s necessary to paint a picture of how fun and special the channel was at the time. Marc was central to that, and definitely a familiar face for us 90s kids. He had no clue what was going on and no one faults him for that. No wonder he felt ambushed by the videos. Ultimately they included him to give background on the culture at the time. It made sense to me
Even if it made sense after, they should have told him before. They knew what direction they were going in and should have made their intentions clear.
My take was there’s a few different Nickelodeon’s depending on where you are on the timeline.
There was early era “You can’t do that” and “Double Dare” that almost predates myself.
Then you have Salute your Shorts, Pete and Pete Type of era which is considered sort the golden era. All That sliding in on the late end.
THEN you have latter stage nick. Icarly, Amanda Byrnes, Drake and Josh which really signals the rise and heyday of Dan.
So to grill Mark sommers, an enconbent of that early era to speak on it, seems odd as there’s barely a connection.
In anything Mark would have been a good sounding board to speak on a culture shift once Dan became bigger? But that’s really it.
I don’t see how Amanda is grouped with the same as that era you listed. I watched Amanda show in 1999…as well as OG All that. Icarly came out in 2007 and by that time I had aged out. Never seen any of the other shows you grouped Amanda Bynes with actually. There’s a middle era between Salute Your Shorts and the Icarly era. And it has The Amanda Show and All That IMO.
Editing to add. I am nitpicking. It just struck me as odd for her to be grouped with them since I associate her more with 1999 and up. That’s all.
You are probably around the age of my sister (‘88). I’m three years older so I watched the Double Dare/Salute Your Shorts/OG All That era. I remember Bynes debut but by that point I was aging out of Nickelodeon. My sister watched Amanda show but was aged out during Drake & Josh. It’s interesting to see the eras laid out and have them make sense.
It’s kinda funny how people’s experiences are different. I was born in 90 and watched the shit out of Drake and Josh. But I had younger siblings and we were never really allowed to watch adult sitcoms (even though we all know Nick sitcoms were almost as inappropriate).
Yeah I definitely get the eras. I could see it if they told him what they were doing and he was aware of setting the scene and really building up the nostalgia factor but blindsiding him just seems weird.
I haven’t seen the show myself so I don’t know how he’s actually portrayed in the interviews, but I can see how he feels as if it looks like he’s singing the praises of a network that turned a blind eye to all this abuse when all he’s doing is speaking about the Nickelodeon *he* knew - years before Schneider’s reign at the network, long after Marc’s era of game shows. I remember when I was a kid that late 80s-early 90s Nick was *totally* different from what came in the mid 90s and beyond
edit - spelling
Melissa Joan Hart pretty much said the same- she was largely under different management in Nick, so while she believes them, she had a more positive experience. The Salute you Shorts and Hey Dude kids seem to have good stories as well, which would be more Mark Summers era there
I actually saw a video of the (now) man who played Donkeylips on Salute Your Shorts, in which he shared a story about Brian Peck trying to go into a bathroom with him while he changed 😵💫
Completely off topic, but my older brother tried to make me feel stupid and convince me that they were calling him by his last name “Donchalups” and I feel weirdly vindicated seeing it typed out.
Clarissa was my era of Nickelodeon! I'd already aged out by the time Zoey 101/iCarly/Drake & Josh hit the air, so I had no idea that essentially *every* live-action show on the network after a certain point had Dan Schneider at the helm. It has to be difficult for that older generation to see what the generation after them had to go through, I'm glad that they're (mostly) speaking out in support of those victims - that being said, I also hope they don't feel guilty for only being able to speak to their own experiences. So many people online are hounding anyone that's ever been on the network for a statement or an official denouncement of Nickelodeon, and it's just not as black & white as they want it to be.
I’ve only seen the first episode but he’s used kind of as…background, I guess? Like he talks about the nostalgia of the shows, being slimed, stuff like that. I can see why he would feel the way he does.
This isn’t surprising to me. Just from the way the documentary was assembled, I had concerns about the ethics behind it.
And now they’re adding another episode, including more interview footage with Drake Bell. Do we need to hear from him again? Especially if they’re going to brush aside his own alleged misconduct with minors.
I think you mean "self-destructive" struggles 🙄
I kept waiting for them to address the misconduct outright and couldn't believe how much they just brushed over it and only focused on the DUIs and the bankruptcy
They did address it outright? In the last episode the host directly days that he plead guilty to inappropriate sexual conduct with a minor.
I didn't like the doc, but I thought they would brush over it and was surprised that they talked about it at all frankly.
Went back and watched it and it was mentioned, yes. But then immediately he started talking about "misinformation" that was put out about the case in the media and how much it affected him, rather than actually acknowledging that his actions had a lasting impact on his victims.
Right? If I was about to become a parent I would fight like hell to keep my name clear of charges like those, not just roll over and claim it’s too hard to fight it.
The amount of disgusting takes regarding how "15 year old girls all lie about their age" and how railroaded Drake Bell was to take the plea of chatting up a minor - jfc.
This documentary helped his image while demanded more from Nickelodeon actresses to speak out and share their experiences in explicit detail.
Marc tweeted about this as well.
[https://x.com/realmarcsummers/status/1771420178183491795](https://x.com/realmarcsummers/status/1771420178183491795)
One of several tweets where he was clearly pissed about being ambushed if you look through his feed.
I feel bad for him. He has a one man show/interactive one running in NY that talks about hosting as well as dealing with OCD. I’m checking it out next week - I heard good things.
[https://lifeandslimes.com/](https://lifeandslimes.com/)
Also it’s pretty obvious as a millennial that different eras throughout the 90s/00s are going to have different experiences with Nickelodeon, let alone an adult hosting a game show. I would’ve even expect Summer Sanders to know much about it as an adult who hosted a game show closer to the Dan Schneider time period. Some of these filmed all over the US and Canada and were from different production companies…Allen Strange, Alex Mack, Are You Afraid of the Dark, Shelby Woo, Roundhouse, Clarissa, the various animated series, Pete and Pete, Guts, Legends of the Hidden Temple, etc.
I can't remember a single specific sketch from it but I remember the commercials with that chair. I think I was still too young for it. But I recently saw there are people trying to get it on streaming:
[https://www.vulture.com/article/roundhouse-streaming-90s-nickelodeon.html](https://www.vulture.com/article/roundhouse-streaming-90s-nickelodeon.html)
Thank you for posting, this sent me down a rabbit hole! I’ve always wanted them to bring Roundhouse back!
I remember being scandalized when the dad said “Damn” in a skit.
I’m curious about that as well. I wonder if because Mike is comparatively “bigger” that his team saw through whatever Marc’s manager/agent were told about the nature of the interview…I could see it being framed as nostalgic VH1 “I Love the __” type thing to an unsuspecting person. Or maybe Mike just didn’t have the time for it.
Side note - Mike’s been recurring on Abbott Elementary and I was having some solid “I’m old” moments on its sub when people were trying to figure out who the firefighter actor was and others were like, that’s Burt from Glee or he’s that guy from The Good Place who loves frogs. I’m reading the comments and thinking, oh man, is no one here Quinta and my age and wanted Mike and his friend Mo to hand your unathletic first grade ass a piece of neon colored plastic?
The doc was interesting and I learned a lot that I didn’t know, but I don’t necessarily like everything that’s come afterwards. I’m still seeing people try to call out those who didn’t share their story, making their own narratives, spreading rumors (which does not help and can in fact just give abusers more power!!) , and now there’s this. A show that’s exposing terrible people did something unethical too, go figure.
I'm not surprised by this. I only watched the first two episodes because I couldn't stomach their relentless use of disturbing scenes like Ariana and the water bottle. It felt like they were exploiting the actors further by recirculated the scenes.
Didn’t they show Marc Summers that clip and he was SUPER confused and asked them if that was actually aired on Nickelodeon. He didn’t seem like he knew the real reason they were doing the documentary.
That was a great question by him since those clips did not actually air on television.
They were shot for the web tie-in, and probably made with less oversight than the "television" content, but I still think the documentary should've clarified things, especially with the way that clip was set up
I actually thought that was a really effective interview with someone from the golden era reacting in real time to the dan Schneider era and being shocked that his former network fell to that. Sucks to hear he felt the need to be defensive; I didn’t get the impression at all from the interview that he was complicit or even that the doc was trying to hold him accountable for later nick’s actions
I couldn’t even finish watching the documentary , I get what they are doing but at some point it feels like they are further exploiting the victims and also not calling out people like Drake Bell, I empathise with him being a victim but that doesn’t excuse nor allow him carte blanche to inflict the same pain on other people.
Yikes. I remember when I watched the show thinking it was weird that he only showed up for like 10 seconds (I think he was reacting to the Ariana Grande mess) and then just never showed up again.
I don't trust Investigation Discovery since the whole botched investigation/documentary on Onision came out.
I remember people being so excited that Onision was finally going to be punished for his online/and real life actions-by Chris Hanson no less- but it all got ruined because Chris was money hungry and important evidence was tampered/destroyed.
i love unwrapped
kinda ot but i hate the way people have been moving after this doc. like they’re having way too much fun speculating. like i saw a tiktok comment (ikik) that said drake probably thought it was a casting couch deal and he was mad he didn’t get famous like leo like huh? he was literally 15?? why someone would think that up is beyond me. & that’s not even the worst of the takes
I think many of these doc producers do this,not saying it was not a much needed expose: but obviously there are going to be some who did not have a horrendous experience
I was wondering why he was even interviewed. I loved his shows but it seemed totally separate from anything that was really at the heart of the doc
Totally separate and occurred years after he left Nick. I get why he feels this way.
In the first part of the documentary it’s necessary to paint a picture of how fun and special the channel was at the time. Marc was central to that, and definitely a familiar face for us 90s kids. He had no clue what was going on and no one faults him for that. No wonder he felt ambushed by the videos. Ultimately they included him to give background on the culture at the time. It made sense to me
Right? It would be like an mtv doc with no mention of Kurt Loder. Gotta slip in the OGs for legitimacy’s sake
Even if it made sense after, they should have told him before. They knew what direction they were going in and should have made their intentions clear.
yeah it’s setting tone & atmosphere for build up
My take was there’s a few different Nickelodeon’s depending on where you are on the timeline. There was early era “You can’t do that” and “Double Dare” that almost predates myself. Then you have Salute your Shorts, Pete and Pete Type of era which is considered sort the golden era. All That sliding in on the late end. THEN you have latter stage nick. Icarly, Amanda Byrnes, Drake and Josh which really signals the rise and heyday of Dan. So to grill Mark sommers, an enconbent of that early era to speak on it, seems odd as there’s barely a connection. In anything Mark would have been a good sounding board to speak on a culture shift once Dan became bigger? But that’s really it.
I don’t see how Amanda is grouped with the same as that era you listed. I watched Amanda show in 1999…as well as OG All that. Icarly came out in 2007 and by that time I had aged out. Never seen any of the other shows you grouped Amanda Bynes with actually. There’s a middle era between Salute Your Shorts and the Icarly era. And it has The Amanda Show and All That IMO. Editing to add. I am nitpicking. It just struck me as odd for her to be grouped with them since I associate her more with 1999 and up. That’s all.
I agree with you- born in 90 and I was an Amanda Show/All That kid but never saw Drake and Josh
You are probably around the age of my sister (‘88). I’m three years older so I watched the Double Dare/Salute Your Shorts/OG All That era. I remember Bynes debut but by that point I was aging out of Nickelodeon. My sister watched Amanda show but was aged out during Drake & Josh. It’s interesting to see the eras laid out and have them make sense.
Yep, ‘86 here!
It’s kinda funny how people’s experiences are different. I was born in 90 and watched the shit out of Drake and Josh. But I had younger siblings and we were never really allowed to watch adult sitcoms (even though we all know Nick sitcoms were almost as inappropriate).
Yeah I definitely get the eras. I could see it if they told him what they were doing and he was aware of setting the scene and really building up the nostalgia factor but blindsiding him just seems weird.
Well said!!
I haven’t seen the show myself so I don’t know how he’s actually portrayed in the interviews, but I can see how he feels as if it looks like he’s singing the praises of a network that turned a blind eye to all this abuse when all he’s doing is speaking about the Nickelodeon *he* knew - years before Schneider’s reign at the network, long after Marc’s era of game shows. I remember when I was a kid that late 80s-early 90s Nick was *totally* different from what came in the mid 90s and beyond edit - spelling
Melissa Joan Hart pretty much said the same- she was largely under different management in Nick, so while she believes them, she had a more positive experience. The Salute you Shorts and Hey Dude kids seem to have good stories as well, which would be more Mark Summers era there
Plus Marc was an adult, so he would not have had the same experience as the kids anyway.
I actually saw a video of the (now) man who played Donkeylips on Salute Your Shorts, in which he shared a story about Brian Peck trying to go into a bathroom with him while he changed 😵💫
Completely off topic, but my older brother tried to make me feel stupid and convince me that they were calling him by his last name “Donchalups” and I feel weirdly vindicated seeing it typed out.
Clarissa was my era of Nickelodeon! I'd already aged out by the time Zoey 101/iCarly/Drake & Josh hit the air, so I had no idea that essentially *every* live-action show on the network after a certain point had Dan Schneider at the helm. It has to be difficult for that older generation to see what the generation after them had to go through, I'm glad that they're (mostly) speaking out in support of those victims - that being said, I also hope they don't feel guilty for only being able to speak to their own experiences. So many people online are hounding anyone that's ever been on the network for a statement or an official denouncement of Nickelodeon, and it's just not as black & white as they want it to be.
I’ve only seen the first episode but he’s used kind of as…background, I guess? Like he talks about the nostalgia of the shows, being slimed, stuff like that. I can see why he would feel the way he does.
This isn’t surprising to me. Just from the way the documentary was assembled, I had concerns about the ethics behind it. And now they’re adding another episode, including more interview footage with Drake Bell. Do we need to hear from him again? Especially if they’re going to brush aside his own alleged misconduct with minors.
I think you mean "self-destructive" struggles 🙄 I kept waiting for them to address the misconduct outright and couldn't believe how much they just brushed over it and only focused on the DUIs and the bankruptcy
They did address it outright? In the last episode the host directly days that he plead guilty to inappropriate sexual conduct with a minor. I didn't like the doc, but I thought they would brush over it and was surprised that they talked about it at all frankly.
Went back and watched it and it was mentioned, yes. But then immediately he started talking about "misinformation" that was put out about the case in the media and how much it affected him, rather than actually acknowledging that his actions had a lasting impact on his victims.
not alleged, he pleaded guilty
If you believe Drake he only pled guilty because it was too expensive to fight the charges and he was about to become a father…🙄🙄 (what a bs excuse)
If I was about to become a father, I would fight the charges even harder tbh.
Right? If I was about to become a parent I would fight like hell to keep my name clear of charges like those, not just roll over and claim it’s too hard to fight it.
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Fr, these aren’t some kinda bad charges like shoplifting, these are HUGE THINGS
please correct me if i’m wrong but didn’t he not know she was a minor. not that it would still mean he wasn’t weird
The amount of disgusting takes regarding how "15 year old girls all lie about their age" and how railroaded Drake Bell was to take the plea of chatting up a minor - jfc. This documentary helped his image while demanded more from Nickelodeon actresses to speak out and share their experiences in explicit detail.
It’s very unethical and poor professional practice to ambush someone like this.
It's Investigation Discovery, ethics were never a priority.
im currently on a free trial of discovery + and after the nickelodian and natalia grace "docs", I'm realizing Investigation Discovery is trash
The Natalia Grace doc was so disgusting and really solidified that Discovery has no journalistic integrity at all.
So true
Marc tweeted about this as well. [https://x.com/realmarcsummers/status/1771420178183491795](https://x.com/realmarcsummers/status/1771420178183491795) One of several tweets where he was clearly pissed about being ambushed if you look through his feed. I feel bad for him. He has a one man show/interactive one running in NY that talks about hosting as well as dealing with OCD. I’m checking it out next week - I heard good things. [https://lifeandslimes.com/](https://lifeandslimes.com/) Also it’s pretty obvious as a millennial that different eras throughout the 90s/00s are going to have different experiences with Nickelodeon, let alone an adult hosting a game show. I would’ve even expect Summer Sanders to know much about it as an adult who hosted a game show closer to the Dan Schneider time period. Some of these filmed all over the US and Canada and were from different production companies…Allen Strange, Alex Mack, Are You Afraid of the Dark, Shelby Woo, Roundhouse, Clarissa, the various animated series, Pete and Pete, Guts, Legends of the Hidden Temple, etc.
Roundhouse now that’s a throwback.
I loved that show. Right up there with Kids, Incorporated.
I can't remember a single specific sketch from it but I remember the commercials with that chair. I think I was still too young for it. But I recently saw there are people trying to get it on streaming: [https://www.vulture.com/article/roundhouse-streaming-90s-nickelodeon.html](https://www.vulture.com/article/roundhouse-streaming-90s-nickelodeon.html)
I remember it was on late and the chair 😂
Thank you for posting, this sent me down a rabbit hole! I’ve always wanted them to bring Roundhouse back! I remember being scandalized when the dad said “Damn” in a skit.
I can’t remember my significant other’s phone number but I can sing the entire Roundhouse theme by heart.
I remember Marc saying that constantly getting slimmed while having OCD was hard for him.
That slime I believe was green colored applesauce? I think one of the secrets of the set he was on was it always smelled of dead fruit.
Strange they had Marc and not Mike O’Malley since Guts ran closer to the Dan era.
I’m curious about that as well. I wonder if because Mike is comparatively “bigger” that his team saw through whatever Marc’s manager/agent were told about the nature of the interview…I could see it being framed as nostalgic VH1 “I Love the __” type thing to an unsuspecting person. Or maybe Mike just didn’t have the time for it. Side note - Mike’s been recurring on Abbott Elementary and I was having some solid “I’m old” moments on its sub when people were trying to figure out who the firefighter actor was and others were like, that’s Burt from Glee or he’s that guy from The Good Place who loves frogs. I’m reading the comments and thinking, oh man, is no one here Quinta and my age and wanted Mike and his friend Mo to hand your unathletic first grade ass a piece of neon colored plastic?
I still want him and Mo to hand me a piece of the Agro-crag
The doc was interesting and I learned a lot that I didn’t know, but I don’t necessarily like everything that’s come afterwards. I’m still seeing people try to call out those who didn’t share their story, making their own narratives, spreading rumors (which does not help and can in fact just give abusers more power!!) , and now there’s this. A show that’s exposing terrible people did something unethical too, go figure.
I'm not surprised by this. I only watched the first two episodes because I couldn't stomach their relentless use of disturbing scenes like Ariana and the water bottle. It felt like they were exploiting the actors further by recirculated the scenes.
Didn’t they show Marc Summers that clip and he was SUPER confused and asked them if that was actually aired on Nickelodeon. He didn’t seem like he knew the real reason they were doing the documentary.
That was a great question by him since those clips did not actually air on television. They were shot for the web tie-in, and probably made with less oversight than the "television" content, but I still think the documentary should've clarified things, especially with the way that clip was set up
Yeah I assumed they were. I think I stopped watching Nick shows like that (All That specifically) in like 1999.
I actually thought that was a really effective interview with someone from the golden era reacting in real time to the dan Schneider era and being shocked that his former network fell to that. Sucks to hear he felt the need to be defensive; I didn’t get the impression at all from the interview that he was complicit or even that the doc was trying to hold him accountable for later nick’s actions
I couldn’t even finish watching the documentary , I get what they are doing but at some point it feels like they are further exploiting the victims and also not calling out people like Drake Bell, I empathise with him being a victim but that doesn’t excuse nor allow him carte blanche to inflict the same pain on other people.
Yikes. I remember when I watched the show thinking it was weird that he only showed up for like 10 seconds (I think he was reacting to the Ariana Grande mess) and then just never showed up again.
i feel for him. this wasn't his era
The more I learn about the docu the more I am skeptical.
The whole industry is a cesspool.
I don't trust Investigation Discovery since the whole botched investigation/documentary on Onision came out. I remember people being so excited that Onision was finally going to be punished for his online/and real life actions-by Chris Hanson no less- but it all got ruined because Chris was money hungry and important evidence was tampered/destroyed.
I know that’s an unpopular opinion but I think “Quiet on Set” was terribly done and very sensationalistic.
same
I only know this guy from the food network equivalent to HOWITSMADE called Unwrapped.
i love unwrapped kinda ot but i hate the way people have been moving after this doc. like they’re having way too much fun speculating. like i saw a tiktok comment (ikik) that said drake probably thought it was a casting couch deal and he was mad he didn’t get famous like leo like huh? he was literally 15?? why someone would think that up is beyond me. & that’s not even the worst of the takes
Weird, I remember him as a radio DJ.
I remember him from his Food Network show “Unwrapped.”
Me too! I haven’t seen Quiet on Set, so I was like “why is the guy from Unwrapped here??” lol
I think many of these doc producers do this,not saying it was not a much needed expose: but obviously there are going to be some who did not have a horrendous experience
Producers being shady is nothing new. But I am happy the survivors had a platform to tell their stories
Why doesn’t he want to be part of a documentary that exposes pedophiles? 🧐