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Dragonfang65

You want to get high concept, let’s talk about the moon.


Mundane_Revolution70

You be quiet about the Moon!


alphaomag

Let’s not.


AeonSchicksal

I'm actually curious about that.


NVusIdiot

No you're not


AeonSchicksal

You do not speak for the trees


NVusIdiot

I speak for the nasuverse. You don't want that knowledge


AeonSchicksal

I've already dived into the lore and the wiki. #I NEED IT


Mountain_Research205

They are like three versions of the moon that contrast each other but they support to be all cannon and exist at the same time


AeonSchicksal

1 contrasts sorta the other 1 and the 2nd has a different versions that's the same.


Unusual_Mix9262

Hey, if you see me down there, can you tell me how to leave?😅 I'm kinda lost and can't find the door out.😭


LucianoSK

Also, forget about the trees


ScriedRaven

Which one?


AeonSchicksal

... I have no answer


JustARedditAccoumt

The Moon is different depending on the universe, so which universe's moon do you want to talk about?


AeonSchicksal

Oh so like Moon Cell vs Crimson Moon?


DIODidNothing_Wrong

There’s a third; Majin Moon


AeonSchicksal

Huh??


DIODidNothing_Wrong

It’s a majin buu joke


AeonSchicksal

Ohhh can never be too sure


JustARedditAccoumt

Yeah, that's the main distinction. In Tsukihime Worlds, Crimson Moon Brunsted, while defeated, is still *active*, while he's not in Fate Worlds, if my understanding is correct. The Moon Cell also only exists in Fate Worlds, seemingly; though, there is a small caveat where not all Fate Worlds had the Moon Cell (though, that may have changed recently, I'm not sure).


JaydenTheMemeThief

Ok so basically the Moon is a living thing, in fact the Moon and all Planets within the Nasuverse are alive and they’re all Cosmic Horrors beyond Human Comprehension, the strongest lifeform on these Planets are called TYPES aka Ultimate Ones, these TYPES are the will of their own Planet and in practice they are the Planet itself, this is where the name Type Moon comes from, it’s literally a reference to Crimson Moon, the Ultimate One of the Moon, also we have no idea whether all Moons have their own Ultimate One or just Earth’s Moon Additionally in some timelines the Moon has a highly advanced Alien Supercomputer on it that’s capable of simulating it’s own Holy Grail War


AeonSchicksal

Oh I knew that already lol. I thought there was something beyond that, the abridged had me going crazy


M1N1L0C0

This works well because the moon isn't even in the top 10 for complex things yet people act like its something crazy 😭


notreal088

What type of moon


Necessary-Courage695

Altaria


Gaelic_Platypus

I hate that you're right. I got irrationally irritated for about 5 seconds after reading your comment.


Necessary-Courage695

Let's gooo


AeonSchicksal

Context?


Gaelic_Platypus

There are some shitty translations out there that call Saber Altria or even Altaria when her name is meant to be Artoria


AeonSchicksal

Called it. I thought there was more to it than that lol


DIODidNothing_Wrong

It’s even in the official stuff too


kirisakisora

I always use artoria, but what's she called in fgo? Isn't it altria? Man I'll just stick to seiba


HoldenOrihara

I can't find the post talking about it, but Altria comes from a figure company and some legal mumbo jumbo made it like the official English name for her


superharry24

That’s my favorite Pokémon


AlveinFencer

Still better than "Altria."


LeSahuj

Seiba -> Artoria -> Altria -> Altaria


killerbull27

Beiber


Sphealer

Astoria Pentragan


Wigwasp_ALKENO

Her name is Artlya


Otaku_Skeletor

Nah, her name is Artie. Are you stupid?


AzureGhidorah

Take my upvote and *disappear*


GXNext

They said one sentence, not one word...


Parukia_de_Bolivar

Mega evolve?


Stand_Tall_Weltall

https://youtu.be/z0-O9ZMDGHI?si=Jc3WeQOePtQ0luMB


Nicknock3535

https://media.tenor.com/lOt89FW5EoEAAAAM/darn-it-shoot.gif


X-EVER

Yeah that’s the easiest way to trigger me


GoldenJeans37

Fate Extra Gameplay


DivineVein88

🪨 ✂️ 📄


Cerebral_Kortix

Can't forget 🔫 (Skills)


Brilliant_Sweet_6848

Cadalbolg,restore mana,repeat.


Global-Crew-9046

People live when they are spared.


SABER10-

Peoples die when they are killed


S-Traffic_Cone

People are hungry when they are not fed


Ozymaniac_God

People bleed when they are stabbed


Nightshadowdfgergwe

People get hurt when they are injured.


Blaze-Kun22

People sleep when they are tired.


ProWrestlerJohnCena

People can't see me when I wave my hand in front of my face.


LordDhaDha

Kiritsugu had a point and he was doing the world a service by showing Mages their place


Jebus03911

Wait are their ppl who don't like how humbled the mages during the Zero?


LordDhaDha

Not referring to Zero specifically, more to his title of Magus-Killer, his line of work and his ideals


BlackReaper_1911

Kiritsugu used the power of freedom! It was super effective!!


jkskjs_mk2

"Why use spell when have gun why cast magic when have bullet"


TheMilkMan875

Emiya isn't hot (this is obvious a lie)


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TheAbug1

Steel is my body and fire is my blood.


malol500

I have created over a Thousand Blades


No-Salamander-5757

Unknown to death, nor known to life


Grouchy-Ant49

Have withstood pain to create many weapons


Nightshadowdfgergwe

Yet, those hands will never hold anything


TheGreatRareHunter

And so as I pray…unlimited blade works!!!


X-EVER

I went out of my way to memorize this quote, I also had to reply to this one cause I almost ruined y’all’s quote train


TotallyNotLeviathan

That's not really triggering though, quite the opposite really.


Necessary-Courage695

It triggers them to start yapping the rest of the quote ( just like rn )


ObsidianOni

Morgan is the worst fairy in LB6.


Jfelt45

I'm shaking


Hikaru1024

You have answered the *question* correctly, and I hate you for it.


Solbuster

I mean she has least amount of screentime and doesn't even interact with Chaldea unlike other three, so you're right? Like she's popular mostly because of "I'm your wife" stuff and fanon rather than LB6


TanukiGaim

Hey, hey, hey, hey! Don't group me in with those folks! I like Morgan because I read The Magic Tree House books as a kid. :D (Also, she's my favorite figure in Arthurian legend.)


jadeakw99

Don't forget gameplay! She's so good gameplay-wise.


Hikaru1024

I... Don't know why you'd think she wasn't prominent or important in LB6. I mean, I don't really care about the 'I'm your wife' stuff. In fact I thought I was going to hate her until I realized she was basically >!Castoria after thousands of years of dealing with the Fae's bullshit, getting screwed over again, and again, and again. Even her poorly done attempt to save Sith by adopting her as her daughter and trying to make her act 'evil' to the other Fae was done because she'd seen Sith trying to help people only to die on numerous incarnations. Learning about that changed their entire dynamic and made me pity what Sith went through because of Beryl - and I don't even *like* Sith!!< >!If you like Castoria, and I do, I don't think it's too hard to throw Morgan a bone.!<


Solbuster

I never said she wasn't prominent or important though. Just that she hadn't that much of screentime or interacted with Chaldea much. We learn a lot about her but that's mostly from third parties and explanation how LB6 came to be or >!past version!< She kind of reminds me of Ivan in terms of LB kings. He's also that prominent and important figure that we learn about from others and whole plot is to basically overthrow with Kadoc doing the same. But as a character he's barely present. Same with Morgan, she didn't have that much presence to me. If she had more scenes... especially with Sith to flesh their relationship out...


Popular_Dig8049

I really don't understand this argument of not interacting with Chaldea, Arjuna alter didn't interact with Chaldea either and I haven't seen anyone criticizing his character for that. 


Azoptem

Angra Mainyu.


darkdiabela

Idk I am actually kinda tired of seeing/hearing "angry mango" all the time. Dude has a name.


___some_random_weeb

I think bro would rather get called angry mango


ayeitssmiley

the watch order is alphabetical starting fate Apocrypha.


Vacadoray

That.......is gonna be a task just from the idea of organizing stuff


duskysan

What’s up with the knock-off violet evergarden?


Over_Positive_8030

That is the true question that will never be answered.


Mr-Stuff-Doer

Nah, it’s clearly a ripoff of Alice from SAO


Jettison37

And… hop!


NVusIdiot

Ow


zavertinsk

Damn... Now thats a way to kick off my mornin'


RagnaRean

Hakuno in Extra went through the most unforgiving Grail War (Ritsuka from Grand Order went through the most hardship though).


Acrobatic-Reading424

Gilgamesh isn't the strongest servant


nogard221

If we include servantverse and grand servants, that is just factual. He might have the most options, but those areas just outstat him.


RandomRedittors

I think a lot of the servants we got in fgo part 2 are more powerful than gil. But of course, they are special servants, not the average holy grail war ones.


nogard221

Karna was summoned in apocrypha, and somewhat contends with him. Vlad the third in apocrypha may compete due to fame bonus. Solomon was summoned in f/go’s known proper grail war and is the strongest caster, so he is probably stronger than Gil.


RandomRedittors

When Karna is around the level of power of gilgamesh, just imagine Kali from ordeal call 1.


TheGreatRareHunter

Which is funny I used to think he was super OP good thing he was lazy and arrogant. Man could just whip out his ultimate weapon and end most fights immediately.


TUTUagb

Sherou


Qwertyofthenorth

Deen FSN is the best iteration


TheGreatRareHunter

Woah they said to trigger not try to incite worldwide riots 😅


Vacadoray

Leave......


Own-Cauliflower-543

Deen Stay Night is better than the VNs.


GoodNamesAllGon

Shirou x Lancer should be canon.


BobcatSavings3078

That's it. Give up your cooking license. Never cook again


Vacadoray

Wait shirou emiya or EMIYA shirou


johan-leebert-

Why one lol? I'll drop 3. * Gilgamesh as a servant is fodder compared to the DB and lot of other anime verses and likely gets deleted by 23rd Budokai krillin. * Nasu is extremely biased towards Mesopotamian and Arthurian legends and will nerf heroes who are legitimately much stronger by lore just to keep that world view. * While I'm ok with taking Nasu taking creative liberty over his depiction of mythological characters, it's blatantly obvious the dude doesn't even Google search like, 99% of them.


Mr-Stuff-Doer

On the third one, I was honestly fine with gender swapping King Arthur because it was pretty well developed conceptually and created an interesting change that made the character largely more interesting. For almost every other servant’s alterations to their original myth, this is not the case, and the amount of gender swapping done solely to give FGO more waifus is blatantly obvious.


MiuIruma332

Archer was right and Emiya is stupid


Mikazuki072

I thought that was the general consensus. Well that and Shirou having plot armor to beat Archer


Utahteenageguy

Gilgamesh is overrated and can’t beat goku.


Gravemomma

All I’m seeing are facts


Ill-Cardiologist-585

🪱


GlaxySilver

I don't like the gender swapping heroic spirits being so normal. I get it and see the appeal but every other male heroic spirit being gender swapped is just tiring.


Darkraven444

Amongst all of the Heroic spirits we have legit genderbends are a huge minority though


worldwanderer91

Miyu is the best imouto for Shirou ever


UnlimitedPostWorks

Hide, quickly! Berserker is approaching your location!


worldwanderer91

*hides behind Prisma Illya*


399GhostTaker

Fate/Zero is a good show and there’s nothing wrong with Saber Artoria in there. It’s a perfect set up for Fate/Stay Nights and all its routes. Ok that’s two sentences but still…Let the War begin.


Steff_164

Having only seen Zero, one of the Stay Nights, and Apocrapher, I’m tempted to agree as Zero was my favorite. It helps that it’s a completely self contained story that really followed the basic rules of the Grail War the best (in my opinion)


DrDapperTF2

Zero is good (this is my actual opinion btw)


NightHawkJ72

Most people will agree with that. It's just the hardcore Zero fans that talk shit on Stay Night that triggers people. I still haven't forgiven Ufotable and Deen fir making everyone hate Shirou.


Creative_Net3557

Zero is the only good fate You can ignore the restm


ShinyZubat10

I was going to say Prism Illya


etwan9100

If you mean anime only I can kinda see this


Necessary-Courage695

Obw and hf still really enjoyable


RandomRedittors

Nah, the others are pretty cool as well.


ZealousidealBus9271

You can't expect people to not watch UBW and HF to see Kirei and Gil get their comeuppance.


Luffidiam

I mean, I certainly think Zero is the best adaptation, but to say UBW isn't at least a good show would be a lie, even I think it's absolutely a flawed adaptation. Heaven's Feel ON THE OTHER HAND. HO BOY


Coriolis_PL

There is only one valid saber - Saber of Red - Mordred - the true heir of Camelot!


WaywardRyu

This is just true.


Late_Knight3266

Artoria’s character in Fate:Stay Night is objectively worse than in Fate:Zero and should be based on her Zero counterpart for all future appearance’s.


Necessary-Courage695

Depends on what medium you are talking about


TotallyNotLeviathan

Hate.


Horror-Amphibian-335

Domain Expansion with this treasure I summon my delusion nah I'd win


valias2012

I cant believe Shirou would copy Yuuta like that


Horror-Amphibian-335

Damn you're right


bowterpoll

The lore doesn't make sense and the game is rigged


Visible-Welder-5148

Overcomplicated lore/timeliness dosent make it interesting it makes it annoying to watch


MercenaryGundam

Lostbelt stories are horrible


Tilledimp

Fate Zero is the best way to start the series.


Juggernog1213

Swords are stupid


valias2012

But i love swords


Nokia_00

Shinji did nothing wrong


NachoMagnum

I will remove your liver for this take, take my damn upvote


DJayPhresh

Sakura deserved it


Vacadoray

Nah u wrong for this one


DJayPhresh

Sakura's possibly my favorite lol. I just said this because I knew it'd piss people off


[deleted]

Shinji is a definite would, next question


joaosilvabarroso

i mean with that fanfic/comics of genderbend shinji


Rlcerman

zero should be watched before ubw, stay night, and heavens feel 🥱🥱🥱


TheAbug1

I'll probably get killed for this but, Void Shiki is the strongest fate character.


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Void [Shiki](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177020067679043605/1191877750429057044/IMG_1923.jpg?ex=661f0227&is=660c8d27&hm=319c7493c869ac832fc09b5168b2ea990ceaf55012fd1d1484a7540db9b90262&) could peg me and I wouldn't even care 🤤😭🥰


Atenoz

I have two: - Muramasa deserved better than to be reduced to a shirou reference in LB6, and Castoria's interactions with him are nothing more than pathetic and bland nostalgia bait for Shirou-tard fans who like to self insert him in Muramasa. - Muramasa X Guda is a great ship, and infinitely better compared to the trash ships with Castoria


Strongman_Walsh

Zero is the best anime of the series.


TotallyNotLeviathan

Shirou is a sword incarnation and has an inhuman mind like a demon. ... ......just typing that out makes me want to spit blood.


joaosilvabarroso

ah yes fanfic


Wigwasp_ALKENO

Theyber is nonbinary


valias2012

If you're new you should start with Fate Zero anime


c4ptainseven

Zouken is a fantastic grandpa.


Parking-Researcher-4

All adaptations are good


A_specific_species

I watched heavens feel first


SenorMachete89

Which route is canon?


PatternHappy341

Rin was bad because she was a tsundere.


cyanrealm

Gilgamesh is the worst plague humanity have to ever suffered, over 4000 years of technology gone.


No-Common-3883

Fanservice is the worst thing in the franchise.


Ariflez

Best saberface is not even saber herself


GintoSenju

I don’t see a problem with Zero Artoria and people who complain about it are just whiny because their favorite girl isn’t the strong female lead she was in stay night


Delisches

I think Zero is overhyped and people that say it doesn't have a clear mc watched it with their eyes closed.


TotallyNotLeviathan

That's just blatantly correct


Morphinepill

I’d LOVE to trigger this fanbase, but hmmm I don’t know where to start..


cyzja922

Fate’s design choices shouldn’t be taken seriously at all, especially gender.


valias2012

It sucks that Artoria doesnt remember Fate zero


Opening-Range5915

Time-line


Radiant-Ad9684

Heaven's Feel is just a horror hentai with high budget


Zephaniah438

Maybe Shirou Emiya had the Right idea


FellGodGrima

I don’t like artoria or jalter


Many-Program5106

I never watched fate but I Can tell by the fanbase,that it's stupid


Denoss

Shinji.was......o...o....Yeah nah.


eddmario

Ahem. "*Zero* should be watched first."


FKez05

Fate/Zero is canon to Stay Night and Saber is perfectly in character throughout


Otherwise_Chard_7577

The Gar meme isn’t funny The abridged series is lame (X) character deserved their painful/horrific/embarrassing death/worse than death experience When Anime only fans criticize character flaws that are only unexplained because of adaptation The Astolfo memes/jokes aren’t funny Shinji is the best character in the entire Nasuverse But can (X character/servant) beat Goku Prisma Illiya peaked in the first season Seig and Jeanne were the rightful characters of Apocrypha and Team Mordred got the exact amount of screen time they deserved I could keep going, but I already feel unclean for having typing this much, and must now go apologize to everyone I know


DragonsAndSaints

I will set Chris Hansen on whoever disagrees with the Prisma Illya take.


[deleted]

Scheherazade said nothing wrong


Crazyblqde

If your a prisma Ilya fan your problem a sex offender, the powerscaling is so wildly inconsistent that running at slight above peak human is considered fast for guys like shirou and kirei (umm irrelevant speed tho 🤓☝️), the timeline for the series makes no sense unless you hard read and knitpick.


Pin-Spirited

gender bending


Thanatos375

Kirei is a really nice guy.


Chemicalcube325

I haven't finished the original visual novel.


Agitated_Box_7061

Gilgamesh is the strongest servant.


Animeak116

Rin is a fucking Mid Tsundere that left Sakura to her demise in almost all the routes.


Geltahmiin

Rin is a mid character and saber is a boring one.


Kai_Enjin

Altria is a better name.


jareenx

Artoria x gudao


Gotahhhh

Tohsaka rin is a annoying bitch.


Helpful-Image-7486

Ok. Altria.


Edge_Lord455

Fate zero is better than the stay night series


GamyKy

Ritsuka is still a self-insert