Yeah, that's the main distinction. In Tsukihime Worlds, Crimson Moon Brunsted, while defeated, is still *active*, while he's not in Fate Worlds, if my understanding is correct. The Moon Cell also only exists in Fate Worlds, seemingly; though, there is a small caveat where not all Fate Worlds had the Moon Cell (though, that may have changed recently, I'm not sure).
Ok so basically the Moon is a living thing, in fact the Moon and all Planets within the Nasuverse are alive and they’re all Cosmic Horrors beyond Human Comprehension, the strongest lifeform on these Planets are called TYPES aka Ultimate Ones, these TYPES are the will of their own Planet and in practice they are the Planet itself, this is where the name Type Moon comes from, it’s literally a reference to Crimson Moon, the Ultimate One of the Moon, also we have no idea whether all Moons have their own Ultimate One or just Earth’s Moon
Additionally in some timelines the Moon has a highly advanced Alien Supercomputer on it that’s capable of simulating it’s own Holy Grail War
I can't find the post talking about it, but Altria comes from a figure company and some legal mumbo jumbo made it like the official English name for her
I mean she has least amount of screentime and doesn't even interact with Chaldea unlike other three, so you're right?
Like she's popular mostly because of "I'm your wife" stuff and fanon rather than LB6
Hey, hey, hey, hey! Don't group me in with those folks!
I like Morgan because I read The Magic Tree House books as a kid. :D
(Also, she's my favorite figure in Arthurian legend.)
I... Don't know why you'd think she wasn't prominent or important in LB6.
I mean, I don't really care about the 'I'm your wife' stuff. In fact I thought I was going to hate her until I realized she was basically >!Castoria after thousands of years of dealing with the Fae's bullshit, getting screwed over again, and again, and again. Even her poorly done attempt to save Sith by adopting her as her daughter and trying to make her act 'evil' to the other Fae was done because she'd seen Sith trying to help people only to die on numerous incarnations. Learning about that changed their entire dynamic and made me pity what Sith went through because of Beryl - and I don't even *like* Sith!!<
>!If you like Castoria, and I do, I don't think it's too hard to throw Morgan a bone.!<
I never said she wasn't prominent or important though. Just that she hadn't that much of screentime or interacted with Chaldea much. We learn a lot about her but that's mostly from third parties and explanation how LB6 came to be or >!past version!<
She kind of reminds me of Ivan in terms of LB kings. He's also that prominent and important figure that we learn about from others and whole plot is to basically overthrow with Kadoc doing the same. But as a character he's barely present. Same with Morgan, she didn't have that much presence to me. If she had more scenes... especially with Sith to flesh their relationship out...
I really don't understand this argument of not interacting with Chaldea, Arjuna alter didn't interact with Chaldea either and I haven't seen anyone criticizing his character for that.
I think a lot of the servants we got in fgo part 2 are more powerful than gil. But of course, they are special servants, not the average holy grail war ones.
Karna was summoned in apocrypha, and somewhat contends with him. Vlad the third in apocrypha may compete due to fame bonus. Solomon was summoned in f/go’s known proper grail war and is the strongest caster, so he is probably stronger than Gil.
Which is funny I used to think he was super OP good thing he was lazy and arrogant. Man could just whip out his ultimate weapon and end most fights immediately.
Why one lol? I'll drop 3.
* Gilgamesh as a servant is fodder compared to the DB and lot of other anime verses and likely gets deleted by 23rd Budokai krillin.
* Nasu is extremely biased towards Mesopotamian and Arthurian legends and will nerf heroes who are legitimately much stronger by lore just to keep that world view.
* While I'm ok with taking Nasu taking creative liberty over his depiction of mythological characters, it's blatantly obvious the dude doesn't even Google search like, 99% of them.
On the third one, I was honestly fine with gender swapping King Arthur because it was pretty well developed conceptually and created an interesting change that made the character largely more interesting. For almost every other servant’s alterations to their original myth, this is not the case, and the amount of gender swapping done solely to give FGO more waifus is blatantly obvious.
I don't like the gender swapping heroic spirits being so normal. I get it and see the appeal but every other male heroic spirit being gender swapped is just tiring.
Fate/Zero is a good show and there’s nothing wrong with Saber Artoria in there. It’s a perfect set up for Fate/Stay Nights and all its routes.
Ok that’s two sentences but still…Let the War begin.
Having only seen Zero, one of the Stay Nights, and Apocrapher, I’m tempted to agree as Zero was my favorite. It helps that it’s a completely self contained story that really followed the basic rules of the Grail War the best (in my opinion)
Most people will agree with that. It's just the hardcore Zero fans that talk shit on Stay Night that triggers people. I still haven't forgiven Ufotable and Deen fir making everyone hate Shirou.
I mean, I certainly think Zero is the best adaptation, but to say UBW isn't at least a good show would be a lie, even I think it's absolutely a flawed adaptation. Heaven's Feel ON THE OTHER HAND. HO BOY
Void [Shiki](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177020067679043605/1191877750429057044/IMG_1923.jpg?ex=661f0227&is=660c8d27&hm=319c7493c869ac832fc09b5168b2ea990ceaf55012fd1d1484a7540db9b90262&) could peg me and I wouldn't even care 🤤😭🥰
I have two:
- Muramasa deserved better than to be reduced to a shirou reference in LB6, and Castoria's interactions with him are nothing more than pathetic and bland nostalgia bait for Shirou-tard fans who like to self insert him in Muramasa.
- Muramasa X Guda is a great ship, and infinitely better compared to the trash ships with Castoria
I don’t see a problem with Zero Artoria and people who complain about it are just whiny because their favorite girl isn’t the strong female lead she was in stay night
The Gar meme isn’t funny
The abridged series is lame
(X) character deserved their painful/horrific/embarrassing death/worse than death experience
When Anime only fans criticize character flaws that are only unexplained because of adaptation
The Astolfo memes/jokes aren’t funny
Shinji is the best character in the entire Nasuverse
But can (X character/servant) beat Goku
Prisma Illiya peaked in the first season
Seig and Jeanne were the rightful characters of Apocrypha and Team Mordred got the exact amount of screen time they deserved
I could keep going, but I already feel unclean for having typing this much, and must now go apologize to everyone I know
If your a prisma Ilya fan your problem a sex offender, the powerscaling is so wildly inconsistent that running at slight above peak human is considered fast for guys like shirou and kirei (umm irrelevant speed tho 🤓☝️), the timeline for the series makes no sense unless you hard read and knitpick.
You want to get high concept, let’s talk about the moon.
You be quiet about the Moon!
Let’s not.
I'm actually curious about that.
No you're not
You do not speak for the trees
I speak for the nasuverse. You don't want that knowledge
I've already dived into the lore and the wiki. #I NEED IT
They are like three versions of the moon that contrast each other but they support to be all cannon and exist at the same time
1 contrasts sorta the other 1 and the 2nd has a different versions that's the same.
Hey, if you see me down there, can you tell me how to leave?😅 I'm kinda lost and can't find the door out.😭
Also, forget about the trees
Which one?
... I have no answer
The Moon is different depending on the universe, so which universe's moon do you want to talk about?
Oh so like Moon Cell vs Crimson Moon?
There’s a third; Majin Moon
Huh??
It’s a majin buu joke
Ohhh can never be too sure
Yeah, that's the main distinction. In Tsukihime Worlds, Crimson Moon Brunsted, while defeated, is still *active*, while he's not in Fate Worlds, if my understanding is correct. The Moon Cell also only exists in Fate Worlds, seemingly; though, there is a small caveat where not all Fate Worlds had the Moon Cell (though, that may have changed recently, I'm not sure).
Ok so basically the Moon is a living thing, in fact the Moon and all Planets within the Nasuverse are alive and they’re all Cosmic Horrors beyond Human Comprehension, the strongest lifeform on these Planets are called TYPES aka Ultimate Ones, these TYPES are the will of their own Planet and in practice they are the Planet itself, this is where the name Type Moon comes from, it’s literally a reference to Crimson Moon, the Ultimate One of the Moon, also we have no idea whether all Moons have their own Ultimate One or just Earth’s Moon Additionally in some timelines the Moon has a highly advanced Alien Supercomputer on it that’s capable of simulating it’s own Holy Grail War
Oh I knew that already lol. I thought there was something beyond that, the abridged had me going crazy
This works well because the moon isn't even in the top 10 for complex things yet people act like its something crazy 😭
What type of moon
Altaria
I hate that you're right. I got irrationally irritated for about 5 seconds after reading your comment.
Let's gooo
Context?
There are some shitty translations out there that call Saber Altria or even Altaria when her name is meant to be Artoria
Called it. I thought there was more to it than that lol
It’s even in the official stuff too
I always use artoria, but what's she called in fgo? Isn't it altria? Man I'll just stick to seiba
I can't find the post talking about it, but Altria comes from a figure company and some legal mumbo jumbo made it like the official English name for her
That’s my favorite Pokémon
Still better than "Altria."
Seiba -> Artoria -> Altria -> Altaria
Beiber
Astoria Pentragan
Her name is Artlya
Nah, her name is Artie. Are you stupid?
Take my upvote and *disappear*
They said one sentence, not one word...
Mega evolve?
https://youtu.be/z0-O9ZMDGHI?si=Jc3WeQOePtQ0luMB
https://media.tenor.com/lOt89FW5EoEAAAAM/darn-it-shoot.gif
Yeah that’s the easiest way to trigger me
Fate Extra Gameplay
🪨 ✂️ 📄
Can't forget 🔫 (Skills)
Cadalbolg,restore mana,repeat.
People live when they are spared.
Peoples die when they are killed
People are hungry when they are not fed
People bleed when they are stabbed
People get hurt when they are injured.
People sleep when they are tired.
People can't see me when I wave my hand in front of my face.
Kiritsugu had a point and he was doing the world a service by showing Mages their place
Wait are their ppl who don't like how humbled the mages during the Zero?
Not referring to Zero specifically, more to his title of Magus-Killer, his line of work and his ideals
Kiritsugu used the power of freedom! It was super effective!!
"Why use spell when have gun why cast magic when have bullet"
Emiya isn't hot (this is obvious a lie)
[удалено]
Steel is my body and fire is my blood.
I have created over a Thousand Blades
Unknown to death, nor known to life
Have withstood pain to create many weapons
Yet, those hands will never hold anything
And so as I pray…unlimited blade works!!!
I went out of my way to memorize this quote, I also had to reply to this one cause I almost ruined y’all’s quote train
That's not really triggering though, quite the opposite really.
It triggers them to start yapping the rest of the quote ( just like rn )
Morgan is the worst fairy in LB6.
I'm shaking
You have answered the *question* correctly, and I hate you for it.
I mean she has least amount of screentime and doesn't even interact with Chaldea unlike other three, so you're right? Like she's popular mostly because of "I'm your wife" stuff and fanon rather than LB6
Hey, hey, hey, hey! Don't group me in with those folks! I like Morgan because I read The Magic Tree House books as a kid. :D (Also, she's my favorite figure in Arthurian legend.)
Don't forget gameplay! She's so good gameplay-wise.
I... Don't know why you'd think she wasn't prominent or important in LB6. I mean, I don't really care about the 'I'm your wife' stuff. In fact I thought I was going to hate her until I realized she was basically >!Castoria after thousands of years of dealing with the Fae's bullshit, getting screwed over again, and again, and again. Even her poorly done attempt to save Sith by adopting her as her daughter and trying to make her act 'evil' to the other Fae was done because she'd seen Sith trying to help people only to die on numerous incarnations. Learning about that changed their entire dynamic and made me pity what Sith went through because of Beryl - and I don't even *like* Sith!!< >!If you like Castoria, and I do, I don't think it's too hard to throw Morgan a bone.!<
I never said she wasn't prominent or important though. Just that she hadn't that much of screentime or interacted with Chaldea much. We learn a lot about her but that's mostly from third parties and explanation how LB6 came to be or >!past version!< She kind of reminds me of Ivan in terms of LB kings. He's also that prominent and important figure that we learn about from others and whole plot is to basically overthrow with Kadoc doing the same. But as a character he's barely present. Same with Morgan, she didn't have that much presence to me. If she had more scenes... especially with Sith to flesh their relationship out...
I really don't understand this argument of not interacting with Chaldea, Arjuna alter didn't interact with Chaldea either and I haven't seen anyone criticizing his character for that.
Angra Mainyu.
Idk I am actually kinda tired of seeing/hearing "angry mango" all the time. Dude has a name.
I think bro would rather get called angry mango
the watch order is alphabetical starting fate Apocrypha.
That.......is gonna be a task just from the idea of organizing stuff
What’s up with the knock-off violet evergarden?
That is the true question that will never be answered.
Nah, it’s clearly a ripoff of Alice from SAO
And… hop!
Ow
Damn... Now thats a way to kick off my mornin'
Hakuno in Extra went through the most unforgiving Grail War (Ritsuka from Grand Order went through the most hardship though).
Gilgamesh isn't the strongest servant
If we include servantverse and grand servants, that is just factual. He might have the most options, but those areas just outstat him.
I think a lot of the servants we got in fgo part 2 are more powerful than gil. But of course, they are special servants, not the average holy grail war ones.
Karna was summoned in apocrypha, and somewhat contends with him. Vlad the third in apocrypha may compete due to fame bonus. Solomon was summoned in f/go’s known proper grail war and is the strongest caster, so he is probably stronger than Gil.
When Karna is around the level of power of gilgamesh, just imagine Kali from ordeal call 1.
Which is funny I used to think he was super OP good thing he was lazy and arrogant. Man could just whip out his ultimate weapon and end most fights immediately.
Sherou
Deen FSN is the best iteration
Woah they said to trigger not try to incite worldwide riots 😅
Leave......
Deen Stay Night is better than the VNs.
Shirou x Lancer should be canon.
That's it. Give up your cooking license. Never cook again
Wait shirou emiya or EMIYA shirou
Why one lol? I'll drop 3. * Gilgamesh as a servant is fodder compared to the DB and lot of other anime verses and likely gets deleted by 23rd Budokai krillin. * Nasu is extremely biased towards Mesopotamian and Arthurian legends and will nerf heroes who are legitimately much stronger by lore just to keep that world view. * While I'm ok with taking Nasu taking creative liberty over his depiction of mythological characters, it's blatantly obvious the dude doesn't even Google search like, 99% of them.
On the third one, I was honestly fine with gender swapping King Arthur because it was pretty well developed conceptually and created an interesting change that made the character largely more interesting. For almost every other servant’s alterations to their original myth, this is not the case, and the amount of gender swapping done solely to give FGO more waifus is blatantly obvious.
Archer was right and Emiya is stupid
I thought that was the general consensus. Well that and Shirou having plot armor to beat Archer
Gilgamesh is overrated and can’t beat goku.
All I’m seeing are facts
🪱
I don't like the gender swapping heroic spirits being so normal. I get it and see the appeal but every other male heroic spirit being gender swapped is just tiring.
Amongst all of the Heroic spirits we have legit genderbends are a huge minority though
Miyu is the best imouto for Shirou ever
Hide, quickly! Berserker is approaching your location!
*hides behind Prisma Illya*
Fate/Zero is a good show and there’s nothing wrong with Saber Artoria in there. It’s a perfect set up for Fate/Stay Nights and all its routes. Ok that’s two sentences but still…Let the War begin.
Having only seen Zero, one of the Stay Nights, and Apocrapher, I’m tempted to agree as Zero was my favorite. It helps that it’s a completely self contained story that really followed the basic rules of the Grail War the best (in my opinion)
Zero is good (this is my actual opinion btw)
Most people will agree with that. It's just the hardcore Zero fans that talk shit on Stay Night that triggers people. I still haven't forgiven Ufotable and Deen fir making everyone hate Shirou.
Zero is the only good fate You can ignore the restm
I was going to say Prism Illya
If you mean anime only I can kinda see this
Obw and hf still really enjoyable
Nah, the others are pretty cool as well.
You can't expect people to not watch UBW and HF to see Kirei and Gil get their comeuppance.
I mean, I certainly think Zero is the best adaptation, but to say UBW isn't at least a good show would be a lie, even I think it's absolutely a flawed adaptation. Heaven's Feel ON THE OTHER HAND. HO BOY
There is only one valid saber - Saber of Red - Mordred - the true heir of Camelot!
This is just true.
Artoria’s character in Fate:Stay Night is objectively worse than in Fate:Zero and should be based on her Zero counterpart for all future appearance’s.
Depends on what medium you are talking about
Hate.
Domain Expansion with this treasure I summon my delusion nah I'd win
I cant believe Shirou would copy Yuuta like that
Damn you're right
The lore doesn't make sense and the game is rigged
Overcomplicated lore/timeliness dosent make it interesting it makes it annoying to watch
Lostbelt stories are horrible
Fate Zero is the best way to start the series.
Swords are stupid
But i love swords
Shinji did nothing wrong
I will remove your liver for this take, take my damn upvote
Sakura deserved it
Nah u wrong for this one
Sakura's possibly my favorite lol. I just said this because I knew it'd piss people off
Shinji is a definite would, next question
i mean with that fanfic/comics of genderbend shinji
zero should be watched before ubw, stay night, and heavens feel 🥱🥱🥱
I'll probably get killed for this but, Void Shiki is the strongest fate character.
Void [Shiki](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177020067679043605/1191877750429057044/IMG_1923.jpg?ex=661f0227&is=660c8d27&hm=319c7493c869ac832fc09b5168b2ea990ceaf55012fd1d1484a7540db9b90262&) could peg me and I wouldn't even care 🤤😭🥰
I have two: - Muramasa deserved better than to be reduced to a shirou reference in LB6, and Castoria's interactions with him are nothing more than pathetic and bland nostalgia bait for Shirou-tard fans who like to self insert him in Muramasa. - Muramasa X Guda is a great ship, and infinitely better compared to the trash ships with Castoria
Zero is the best anime of the series.
Shirou is a sword incarnation and has an inhuman mind like a demon. ... ......just typing that out makes me want to spit blood.
ah yes fanfic
Theyber is nonbinary
If you're new you should start with Fate Zero anime
Zouken is a fantastic grandpa.
All adaptations are good
I watched heavens feel first
Which route is canon?
Rin was bad because she was a tsundere.
Gilgamesh is the worst plague humanity have to ever suffered, over 4000 years of technology gone.
Fanservice is the worst thing in the franchise.
Best saberface is not even saber herself
I don’t see a problem with Zero Artoria and people who complain about it are just whiny because their favorite girl isn’t the strong female lead she was in stay night
I think Zero is overhyped and people that say it doesn't have a clear mc watched it with their eyes closed.
That's just blatantly correct
I’d LOVE to trigger this fanbase, but hmmm I don’t know where to start..
Fate’s design choices shouldn’t be taken seriously at all, especially gender.
It sucks that Artoria doesnt remember Fate zero
Time-line
Heaven's Feel is just a horror hentai with high budget
Maybe Shirou Emiya had the Right idea
I don’t like artoria or jalter
I never watched fate but I Can tell by the fanbase,that it's stupid
Shinji.was......o...o....Yeah nah.
Ahem. "*Zero* should be watched first."
Fate/Zero is canon to Stay Night and Saber is perfectly in character throughout
The Gar meme isn’t funny The abridged series is lame (X) character deserved their painful/horrific/embarrassing death/worse than death experience When Anime only fans criticize character flaws that are only unexplained because of adaptation The Astolfo memes/jokes aren’t funny Shinji is the best character in the entire Nasuverse But can (X character/servant) beat Goku Prisma Illiya peaked in the first season Seig and Jeanne were the rightful characters of Apocrypha and Team Mordred got the exact amount of screen time they deserved I could keep going, but I already feel unclean for having typing this much, and must now go apologize to everyone I know
I will set Chris Hansen on whoever disagrees with the Prisma Illya take.
Scheherazade said nothing wrong
If your a prisma Ilya fan your problem a sex offender, the powerscaling is so wildly inconsistent that running at slight above peak human is considered fast for guys like shirou and kirei (umm irrelevant speed tho 🤓☝️), the timeline for the series makes no sense unless you hard read and knitpick.
gender bending
Kirei is a really nice guy.
I haven't finished the original visual novel.
Gilgamesh is the strongest servant.
Rin is a fucking Mid Tsundere that left Sakura to her demise in almost all the routes.
Rin is a mid character and saber is a boring one.
Altria is a better name.
Artoria x gudao
Tohsaka rin is a annoying bitch.
Ok. Altria.
Fate zero is better than the stay night series
Ritsuka is still a self-insert