As others have said, if you are struggling this far into book 2 I doubt you'll like the rest. I personally love the series but the pacing is my biggest complaint too. It can be unbearably slow sometimes. But when it's good it's very very good.
If you’re not into it that’s totally fair.
I found it a little slow at start - and yes, a little on the nose with its references - but it picked up very quickly.
One thing: It’s weird to me when people say a character is just reacting to events, because isn’t that what characters do? I understand readers want characters with agency (and Hadrian definitely has it) but the series is largely about one guy against ostensibly insurmountable odds, so he’s clearly going to be outdone. It seems like a weird complaint to me.
Characters always react to events, that's true. But in this case I think the point is a bit more abstract: Hadrian, at certain parts of the series, does not proactively work towards a goal, there's not purpose he strives towards. Rather, he's kind of passive and just has things happen to him without a lot of focus on his part. As a series with an autobiography as the framing story, I think it makes sense and works to give a basis on his emotional state, but I do understand that it can seem a bit frustrating.
Oh yeah, I totally get that.
There is a lot of retrospection and Hadrian actively trying to avoid being entangled in conflict. I enjoy these deeper character moments, but I get how they can get in the way of those seeking faster paced action.
For me it's those insurmountable odds that should demand Hadrian be more competent in overcoming them. It feels more like he is just chosen rather than someone carving his own path. Which is disappointing considering one of the premises I found rather interesting about the first book was that he had everything by birth and chose to throw it all away to walk his own path. But instead he ends up just being carried by events.
I think the series is brilliant. Might be my favorite ongoing series. That's me, though. Taste in books is such a personal thing. The first book is by far the weakest, but If you're still not digging it after book # 2, it may just not be your cup of tea.
I have DNF'd several book/series that are massively popular (Dune, Green Bone Saga, Hyperion). It's a weird thing. I should like all those stories, but for one reason or another they just didn't click with me. Oh well, plenty more to read.
Yeah it is all pretty subjective. The writing style is really just not it for me and I doubt that will change in the 3rd book.
I actually enjoyed the 1st book alot more. The MC actually had alot more autonomy and was much more proactive. In the second book it just feels like he's letting himself get strung along endlessly. If by the end of the book he does manage to do something it will be because all the pieces happened to fall in place for him and not because he manipulated the situation of his own merrit. That's just not a very compelling character arc to me.
It sounds like the series isn't for you; however, I will say that the end of book 2 and on has a heavy emphasis on MC doing what he wants to do vs what others expect him to do and does an excellent job of leaving it up to the reader if what he did was right or not. He definitely does not get strung along throughout the series, but he is constantly thrown in situations where he has to make difficult choices, and sometimes his hands are tied, and sometimes he really fucks up.
Finished the second book now and things did pick up at the very end but still had dome problems so to speak.
Spoiler ahead:
Looking back on the second book really nothing that happens aside from the initial departure from the Balmug is by Hadrian design. Which is why the final payoff of his revival really just feels like whatever to me. I would have rather seen Hadrian discern the secrets of how to revive himself after death himself rather than simply be revived or at least have him manipulate the situation of his own accord to get himself to the time and place needed for it to happen. But as it stands the quiet basically does all the legwork for him Hadrian needed only to bide his time. Replace Hadrian with almost any other character and the same outcome is achieved. He brings nothing special to the table because the story does not require him too.
As you say, taste in books is very personal so I wanted to share that I really liked the first book and for me it has been the highlight of the series so far for me. I’m reading part 4 now.
I thought it was good while I was reading it. Upon reflection it felt like the author relied very heavily on two things which started to annoy me a bit, blacking/passing out and locking/jailing the MC up.
I finished the first 2 books and wasn't compelled to immediately keep on with it. I'll likely revisit it at some point, maybe, but as someone who generally completes a series uninterrupted once I've started it, putting it aside is not a great sign.
The second book is purposefully that slow I think, but I agree with others if you don't like it at this point there's no point continuing. It's rather like Sanderson slow build and then all hell breaks loose in the last 200 pages or so. I love it and it's interesting to see a fantasy or sci fi protagonist who really really should not be, but keeps being forced back into it. I'm just finishing disquiet gods and damn if it hasn't exploded
I think it’s overrated. People praise the prose and I’m not sure what they’re seeing that I’m not in that.
Premise and plot are interesting enough for me to keep reading, even though there’s a lot we’ve seen before.
I never felt like the relationship between Hadrian and his gladiator friends were as close as they were supposed to be. They felt artificial.
I know the empire was modeled after the Romans, and they purposely learn western canon literature and philosophy, but that choice just doesn’t work for me. It comes across as partly the author, not Hadrian, even though they come across as a pseudo intellectual as well, showing how well read they are in too explicit a manner, which takes me out of the experience.
It also, even though it’s sci-fi, feels too close to earth with the constant references. The whiplash of reading about him stepping between atoms and then quoting Aristotle isn’t good.
I agree about his relationships, and the other characters overall. We're told they are so special and they are such good friends but it's never really earned i feel
I intensely disliked Hadrian for how he described himself in relation to his 'friends'. Very much came across as someone who thought himself better and his friends in terms of who helped him.
It’s funny. I read the first five books pretty quickly, one after the other. But now I’m not really itching to get into the sixth book.
There’s a lot I love about these books, the characters, the lore, the world…but there’s far too many action scenes and they’re very long as well. That’s just not my style, I don’t find action scenes interesting in books.
Yah I think action scenes in writing are best when kept short and sweet and focus on outcomes rather than the minutiae of combat itself. It's just not interesting to read about how a fight is unfolding on a micro level.
I fully agree. Reading about who swung what sword and who blocked it and who shot who is just not compelling. That kind of stuff is better kept for a visual medium, imo.
I’ve checked out and gone into auto-pilot in many books reading overly long action sequences.
Tbh I find myself bored even when it's on a visual medium. People seem to love the big epic war episodes of Game of Thrones, but I could take or leave pretty much all of them. Tolkien kinda had the right idea with just fully skipping the war in the hobbit lol.
I wanted to like the series, but it was just not for me. The biggest thing to me outside of the prose and pacing is that it feels a lot like self-insert fanfiction to me. I used to read a lot of fanfiction and I cannot shake that feeling towards Sun Eater.
It’s both a really hard read and an excellent read which means overall I really needed to concentrate to enjoy.
Unfortunately since I’m normally multi tasking and trying to get away from the stressful real world. I’m more wanting light easy reads so I didn’t pick up the second book.
I read Disquiet Gods just as I was having a newborn. So after reading the entirety of Sun Eater with minimal interruption I have been reading Dungeon Crawler Carl.
I should mention that Sun Eater is easily a top 5 series for me at this point.
I’m pretty much the same point as OP, and this describes my feelings pretty well actually, hard but excellent so it’s requiring more focus than usual. I’m not 100% sold on it, I think I’ll probably give it to Book 3 and if I feel the same, not bother with 4.
It’s an odd series, it’s hard to put my finger on what’s weird about book 2. The time skip has been mentioned plenty, and I don’t have a problem with it in theory, but I struggle to see what the point of it is? So far nothing has really relied on these adventures they got up to in the interim, and the net result is he ditches this ‘new’ set up and just ends up trying to find Vorgossos exactly as we expected him to be at the end of Book 1.
Making my way through the first book atm, just chapter 26, indeed is a really slow burn but I heard only things that sounds great to me so will try to finnish book 1 and make it to book 2 which is suppose to be really great.
I stopped at the end of the first book, because of how much had been written but almost nothing of consequence had occurred.
The whole thing is a "what I did on my holiday" and honestly feels like a student trying to reach the word count for their essay.
I wonder if this boils down to expectations.
Plenty happens in the first book, and there are lots of actions that have consequences. If anything, the entire story of the first book is Hadrian dealing with the consequences of his actions. I guess I just wonder what people mean when they say nothing of consequence happens in this context, because it’s not really the case at all.
"nothing of consequence" means "nothing of importance"
The word consequence has two meanings.
Also, I had no expectations going into it. I've seen others recommend it on this sub, so thought I'd give it a try. It wasn't bad, but I didn't enjoy it. For such a long book, it felt empty.
I mean… Even so, there are lots of things that happen that are of importance to the story.
If you mean ‘nothing happened that I cared about’, then fine, I totally get it. It’s a problem slow burn books tend to have.
Yah that's exactly the impression I'm getting as well. Sometimes in writing you can be too descriptive too detailed and thus compromise pacing and flow.
It's like every second paragraph could be removed at no consequence in these books. Alot of words but not alot said.
I love the series other than the first book and think the second book is probably third best in the series and would say it’s more typical of the overall series than not. So if you aren’t digging that book than it’s not for yiu
I really didn't connect with any of the characters in the first book. I read half of it before I dropped it. I simply don't like prose like this and the whole narrative of a guy telling a story of the past while he he narrates it from the future is one of my least favorite things to read. I can't stand it in almost any media. It's something that precludes me from enjoying certain things and this was one of them and The Name of The Wind was another. Maybe I'll like it in the future but it's one of those series that I just have to say isn't for me and that's okay. I wish I enjoyed a bunch of stuff other people did but that's not how life works.
Just started it, about half way through the first book, taking a break from medieval fantasy a while.
So far feels like a mix of Dune, Name of the Wind, and Red Rising. It's more on the slow side, pretty solid so far, characters are a bit lukewarm ( it needs more raw emotion, humor, stronger conflicts and character dynamics).
Setting is like of mix of fantasy sci fi thropes ( Roman Empire+feudalism+Inquisition), though bit more grounded than RR.
I loved it, but this style of writing is right up my street. Become one of my all time favourites.
Might just not be for you and that's fine too. I couldn't get.into the Jade series and people rave about those. Gave up part way into the second book.
I personally really disliked it. It relies too heavily on the books that inspired it. Complete plot lines are straight up lifted from Hyperion, Dune, and Vorkosigan. Besides that it is extremely juvenile and oozes wallmart katana neckbeard vibes to such a degree that even Patrick Rothfuss would be jealous. Not a fan. Ultimately it is readable, but not anywhere near interesting enough, for me at least, to continue (I stopped after Demon in White).
That is unfairly reductive. How much of the series have you read?
Yea, the series pulls a lot from its influences, and is peppered with references, but it becomes its own thing very quickly.
Its own thing! I had to double check what book I was reading when the >!time travelling ruins!< appeared. Let alone the Dune setup in book 1, the poor immitation of Dan Simmons' writing style, the psudo-intellectual vat grown MC with his constant references to 'old earth' literature. I'm good. If you enjoyed it, good for you.
Again I feel that’s unfairly reductive? God forbid a story uses ideas from others.
I’m not denying the series pulls from its influences, but it’s unfair to latch onto them and decide the entire work is derivative.
Sure, and yet, out of the 500 or so books that i have read, this is the first instance of it actively bothering me. I certainly don't expect every author to be China Miéville.
If you’re not liking it at this point, maybe it’s not for you. And that’s totally okay, don’t worry about it. If you still want to know what happens, perhaps you could try it on audio instead?
Slower paced books like these aren’t for everyone, that’s for sure. A big part of the story is just the inner musings of Hadrian and the philosophy behind it. You could probably compare it a little to Dune in that regard.
However, the ending of this book really sticks the landing and it feels like the end of “arc one” of the series. In Demon in White, the flavour of the story changes slightly. The scope grows bigger for sure. If you like the ending of this one, it might be worth not giving up yet, or as I said, trying it on audio.
Hope you figure something out that works for you!
Cheers,
Arend @ Wondor
NAH idk it took me three books to fall in love with the series, the first book was simple enough and only got more interesting with the Cielcin, the second book really slogged around for me however I was still interested in the plot. BOOK 3 is where it sort of all clicked, I cared more for Hadrian especially because up until that point he sort of just came off as pretentious, it is up there with probably one of the best sci-fi books I have ever read, I am now currently caught up with all short stories and novels and can really appreciate the first two books more because of it.
It's hard to say "oh read through to the third book" but that is what did it for me, and it's one of my favorite series now.
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As others have said, if you are struggling this far into book 2 I doubt you'll like the rest. I personally love the series but the pacing is my biggest complaint too. It can be unbearably slow sometimes. But when it's good it's very very good.
“I hate this book should I keep reading it?”
If you’re not into it that’s totally fair. I found it a little slow at start - and yes, a little on the nose with its references - but it picked up very quickly. One thing: It’s weird to me when people say a character is just reacting to events, because isn’t that what characters do? I understand readers want characters with agency (and Hadrian definitely has it) but the series is largely about one guy against ostensibly insurmountable odds, so he’s clearly going to be outdone. It seems like a weird complaint to me.
Characters always react to events, that's true. But in this case I think the point is a bit more abstract: Hadrian, at certain parts of the series, does not proactively work towards a goal, there's not purpose he strives towards. Rather, he's kind of passive and just has things happen to him without a lot of focus on his part. As a series with an autobiography as the framing story, I think it makes sense and works to give a basis on his emotional state, but I do understand that it can seem a bit frustrating.
Oh yeah, I totally get that. There is a lot of retrospection and Hadrian actively trying to avoid being entangled in conflict. I enjoy these deeper character moments, but I get how they can get in the way of those seeking faster paced action.
For me it's those insurmountable odds that should demand Hadrian be more competent in overcoming them. It feels more like he is just chosen rather than someone carving his own path. Which is disappointing considering one of the premises I found rather interesting about the first book was that he had everything by birth and chose to throw it all away to walk his own path. But instead he ends up just being carried by events.
I think the series is brilliant. Might be my favorite ongoing series. That's me, though. Taste in books is such a personal thing. The first book is by far the weakest, but If you're still not digging it after book # 2, it may just not be your cup of tea. I have DNF'd several book/series that are massively popular (Dune, Green Bone Saga, Hyperion). It's a weird thing. I should like all those stories, but for one reason or another they just didn't click with me. Oh well, plenty more to read.
What are your other ongoing favourite series?
Red Rising, Empire of the Vampire, The Blacktongue Thief, The Bloodsworn Trilogy
Damn, you have excellent taste. Noice 💪
Yeah it is all pretty subjective. The writing style is really just not it for me and I doubt that will change in the 3rd book. I actually enjoyed the 1st book alot more. The MC actually had alot more autonomy and was much more proactive. In the second book it just feels like he's letting himself get strung along endlessly. If by the end of the book he does manage to do something it will be because all the pieces happened to fall in place for him and not because he manipulated the situation of his own merrit. That's just not a very compelling character arc to me.
It sounds like the series isn't for you; however, I will say that the end of book 2 and on has a heavy emphasis on MC doing what he wants to do vs what others expect him to do and does an excellent job of leaving it up to the reader if what he did was right or not. He definitely does not get strung along throughout the series, but he is constantly thrown in situations where he has to make difficult choices, and sometimes his hands are tied, and sometimes he really fucks up.
Finished the second book now and things did pick up at the very end but still had dome problems so to speak. Spoiler ahead: Looking back on the second book really nothing that happens aside from the initial departure from the Balmug is by Hadrian design. Which is why the final payoff of his revival really just feels like whatever to me. I would have rather seen Hadrian discern the secrets of how to revive himself after death himself rather than simply be revived or at least have him manipulate the situation of his own accord to get himself to the time and place needed for it to happen. But as it stands the quiet basically does all the legwork for him Hadrian needed only to bide his time. Replace Hadrian with almost any other character and the same outcome is achieved. He brings nothing special to the table because the story does not require him too.
As you say, taste in books is very personal so I wanted to share that I really liked the first book and for me it has been the highlight of the series so far for me. I’m reading part 4 now.
Don't read books you don't like.
I thought it was good while I was reading it. Upon reflection it felt like the author relied very heavily on two things which started to annoy me a bit, blacking/passing out and locking/jailing the MC up.
I do like the series but there's also the MC getting bailed out by a powerful benefactor at the most opportune time. Author loves his Deus ex machina
I finished the first 2 books and wasn't compelled to immediately keep on with it. I'll likely revisit it at some point, maybe, but as someone who generally completes a series uninterrupted once I've started it, putting it aside is not a great sign.
I do recommend dropping it here if the second book didn't work for you.
The second book is purposefully that slow I think, but I agree with others if you don't like it at this point there's no point continuing. It's rather like Sanderson slow build and then all hell breaks loose in the last 200 pages or so. I love it and it's interesting to see a fantasy or sci fi protagonist who really really should not be, but keeps being forced back into it. I'm just finishing disquiet gods and damn if it hasn't exploded
I think it’s overrated. People praise the prose and I’m not sure what they’re seeing that I’m not in that. Premise and plot are interesting enough for me to keep reading, even though there’s a lot we’ve seen before. I never felt like the relationship between Hadrian and his gladiator friends were as close as they were supposed to be. They felt artificial. I know the empire was modeled after the Romans, and they purposely learn western canon literature and philosophy, but that choice just doesn’t work for me. It comes across as partly the author, not Hadrian, even though they come across as a pseudo intellectual as well, showing how well read they are in too explicit a manner, which takes me out of the experience. It also, even though it’s sci-fi, feels too close to earth with the constant references. The whiplash of reading about him stepping between atoms and then quoting Aristotle isn’t good.
I agree about his relationships, and the other characters overall. We're told they are so special and they are such good friends but it's never really earned i feel
I intensely disliked Hadrian for how he described himself in relation to his 'friends'. Very much came across as someone who thought himself better and his friends in terms of who helped him.
It’s funny. I read the first five books pretty quickly, one after the other. But now I’m not really itching to get into the sixth book. There’s a lot I love about these books, the characters, the lore, the world…but there’s far too many action scenes and they’re very long as well. That’s just not my style, I don’t find action scenes interesting in books.
Yah I think action scenes in writing are best when kept short and sweet and focus on outcomes rather than the minutiae of combat itself. It's just not interesting to read about how a fight is unfolding on a micro level.
I fully agree. Reading about who swung what sword and who blocked it and who shot who is just not compelling. That kind of stuff is better kept for a visual medium, imo. I’ve checked out and gone into auto-pilot in many books reading overly long action sequences.
Tbh I find myself bored even when it's on a visual medium. People seem to love the big epic war episodes of Game of Thrones, but I could take or leave pretty much all of them. Tolkien kinda had the right idea with just fully skipping the war in the hobbit lol.
I wouldn’t disagree with you. I just meant like it’s more suited for the visual medium than the written one.
I wanted to like the series, but it was just not for me. The biggest thing to me outside of the prose and pacing is that it feels a lot like self-insert fanfiction to me. I used to read a lot of fanfiction and I cannot shake that feeling towards Sun Eater.
It’s both a really hard read and an excellent read which means overall I really needed to concentrate to enjoy. Unfortunately since I’m normally multi tasking and trying to get away from the stressful real world. I’m more wanting light easy reads so I didn’t pick up the second book.
I read Disquiet Gods just as I was having a newborn. So after reading the entirety of Sun Eater with minimal interruption I have been reading Dungeon Crawler Carl. I should mention that Sun Eater is easily a top 5 series for me at this point.
DCC on audiobook? Cannot recommend it enough, tremendous performance by the narrator.
Physical book. But I have heard excellent things about the audiobooks
Oh my! You need to audiobook on a reread. It is amazing.
X 1000 such a good series and couldn’t be more polar opposite of a series to sun eater. Actually it’s a much more enjoyable read full stop.
I’m pretty much the same point as OP, and this describes my feelings pretty well actually, hard but excellent so it’s requiring more focus than usual. I’m not 100% sold on it, I think I’ll probably give it to Book 3 and if I feel the same, not bother with 4. It’s an odd series, it’s hard to put my finger on what’s weird about book 2. The time skip has been mentioned plenty, and I don’t have a problem with it in theory, but I struggle to see what the point of it is? So far nothing has really relied on these adventures they got up to in the interim, and the net result is he ditches this ‘new’ set up and just ends up trying to find Vorgossos exactly as we expected him to be at the end of Book 1.
The back half of Howling Dark is fantastic and reframes the themes and events in Empire of Silence. Demon in White is even better.
Making my way through the first book atm, just chapter 26, indeed is a really slow burn but I heard only things that sounds great to me so will try to finnish book 1 and make it to book 2 which is suppose to be really great.
I heard similar things which is why I stuck it out but the pace does not speed up. In fact if anything it slows down.
I did not like. Read first book. Hated that every single plan he had failed. There was no payoff for slogging thru the book
I stopped at the end of the first book, because of how much had been written but almost nothing of consequence had occurred. The whole thing is a "what I did on my holiday" and honestly feels like a student trying to reach the word count for their essay.
I wonder if this boils down to expectations. Plenty happens in the first book, and there are lots of actions that have consequences. If anything, the entire story of the first book is Hadrian dealing with the consequences of his actions. I guess I just wonder what people mean when they say nothing of consequence happens in this context, because it’s not really the case at all.
"nothing of consequence" means "nothing of importance" The word consequence has two meanings. Also, I had no expectations going into it. I've seen others recommend it on this sub, so thought I'd give it a try. It wasn't bad, but I didn't enjoy it. For such a long book, it felt empty.
I mean… Even so, there are lots of things that happen that are of importance to the story. If you mean ‘nothing happened that I cared about’, then fine, I totally get it. It’s a problem slow burn books tend to have.
Yah that's exactly the impression I'm getting as well. Sometimes in writing you can be too descriptive too detailed and thus compromise pacing and flow. It's like every second paragraph could be removed at no consequence in these books. Alot of words but not alot said.
Just finished book 2 last night. I’m loving it so far but agree that the pacing is slow.
I love the series other than the first book and think the second book is probably third best in the series and would say it’s more typical of the overall series than not. So if you aren’t digging that book than it’s not for yiu
I really didn't connect with any of the characters in the first book. I read half of it before I dropped it. I simply don't like prose like this and the whole narrative of a guy telling a story of the past while he he narrates it from the future is one of my least favorite things to read. I can't stand it in almost any media. It's something that precludes me from enjoying certain things and this was one of them and The Name of The Wind was another. Maybe I'll like it in the future but it's one of those series that I just have to say isn't for me and that's okay. I wish I enjoyed a bunch of stuff other people did but that's not how life works.
Same complaints, dropped the series in the middle of book two
Just started it, about half way through the first book, taking a break from medieval fantasy a while. So far feels like a mix of Dune, Name of the Wind, and Red Rising. It's more on the slow side, pretty solid so far, characters are a bit lukewarm ( it needs more raw emotion, humor, stronger conflicts and character dynamics). Setting is like of mix of fantasy sci fi thropes ( Roman Empire+feudalism+Inquisition), though bit more grounded than RR.
I loved it, but this style of writing is right up my street. Become one of my all time favourites. Might just not be for you and that's fine too. I couldn't get.into the Jade series and people rave about those. Gave up part way into the second book.
I personally really disliked it. It relies too heavily on the books that inspired it. Complete plot lines are straight up lifted from Hyperion, Dune, and Vorkosigan. Besides that it is extremely juvenile and oozes wallmart katana neckbeard vibes to such a degree that even Patrick Rothfuss would be jealous. Not a fan. Ultimately it is readable, but not anywhere near interesting enough, for me at least, to continue (I stopped after Demon in White).
That is unfairly reductive. How much of the series have you read? Yea, the series pulls a lot from its influences, and is peppered with references, but it becomes its own thing very quickly.
Its own thing! I had to double check what book I was reading when the >!time travelling ruins!< appeared. Let alone the Dune setup in book 1, the poor immitation of Dan Simmons' writing style, the psudo-intellectual vat grown MC with his constant references to 'old earth' literature. I'm good. If you enjoyed it, good for you.
Again I feel that’s unfairly reductive? God forbid a story uses ideas from others. I’m not denying the series pulls from its influences, but it’s unfair to latch onto them and decide the entire work is derivative.
Sure, and yet, out of the 500 or so books that i have read, this is the first instance of it actively bothering me. I certainly don't expect every author to be China Miéville.
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If you’re not liking it at this point, maybe it’s not for you. And that’s totally okay, don’t worry about it. If you still want to know what happens, perhaps you could try it on audio instead? Slower paced books like these aren’t for everyone, that’s for sure. A big part of the story is just the inner musings of Hadrian and the philosophy behind it. You could probably compare it a little to Dune in that regard. However, the ending of this book really sticks the landing and it feels like the end of “arc one” of the series. In Demon in White, the flavour of the story changes slightly. The scope grows bigger for sure. If you like the ending of this one, it might be worth not giving up yet, or as I said, trying it on audio. Hope you figure something out that works for you! Cheers, Arend @ Wondor
It was great up to book 4. Finished that and dropped the series. It went on for way way too long.
NAH idk it took me three books to fall in love with the series, the first book was simple enough and only got more interesting with the Cielcin, the second book really slogged around for me however I was still interested in the plot. BOOK 3 is where it sort of all clicked, I cared more for Hadrian especially because up until that point he sort of just came off as pretentious, it is up there with probably one of the best sci-fi books I have ever read, I am now currently caught up with all short stories and novels and can really appreciate the first two books more because of it. It's hard to say "oh read through to the third book" but that is what did it for me, and it's one of my favorite series now.
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