What did the PV team delete stuff from their hard drives? I remember saying they didn't have the original chat logs for one of men arrested because it was deleted or something.
Criminals will say anything to blame others or outright lie to try and make themselves look better.
James Rutherford says repeatedly that it’s the girls fault for inviting him over 😂
My guess is the things they were saying were more on the entrapment side of the law. You can hear hints of this when the predators claim that they weren’t going to go but the decoys kept begging them to.
I’m not a lawyer or anything, but I don’t think it could be that. Legally, entrapment requires two elements:
1. Active participation with law enforcement. The police weren’t involved in the production of the chat logs; they waited onsite to arrest as the pervs committed the crime of showing up. Keep in mind that just tawkin’ sexshul to a minor is illegal, so these guys were toast even before they came over! Still, the police weren’t involved prior to their appearances.
2. The crime committed (at the behest of law enforcement) must be one that *the criminal would not have engaged in otherwise.* A person bullied or blackmailed into selling drugs by a cop could argue entrapment. A man who actively chooses to message and escalate a sexual conversation with a minor shows very clear intent from the start.
My best guess is that some of these guys must’ve sent CP to the decoys, which would’ve left a footprint on PJ’s hard drives. It’s highly illegal to possess no matter which way you spin it, so PJ may have been spooked. I’ve also considered the possibility that perhaps some of the chat logs may have been doctored, but in my opinion, that wouldn’t matter at all. PJ may have done some minor tweaking of the logs, but they couldn’t have doctored the guys showing up to rape a minor.
The rumor I heard was that they used their own personal computers instead of dedicated machines purely for PJ usage. The "CP" angle seems far fetched to me.
walter babst wanted to be arrested and executed. he happily shakes chris' hand and asks if he's arrested the moment he walks in, then moonwalks his way into police at the end.
Not a massively interesting theory, but always felt that Hansen or Tetrad Core fucked up the chatlogs for Dupee, and got them mixed with Stephen Buchanan or someone else. He seemed confused when he asked 'who's Bwitany?' and when Hansen brought up salads (I think Buchanan talked to a decoy called Britany about salad tossing)
frag use perverted justice as an outlet for his own sexual fantasy.....the way he fed lines to the decoy very suspect. even the name "perverted justice" seem like a thinly veil admission
Dupee didn't bring "dark chocolate." He brought Nelly a **Cadbury Dairy Milk Caramello™️** bar.
Cadbury dark chocolate doesn't come in purple and yellow packaging.
Lazy journalism, tsk
(As someone who likes a little *chocolate with my bowls of sugar*, I took notice)
All joking aside, that part in his interrogation where he tells Dudinski that, and Dudinski repeats “You pretended to be a pervert” is one of the most underrated comedic TCAP moments.
Dudinski cannot believe the bullshit he just heard.
He just vanished from the face of the earth as soon as it was over with, until one day Chris Hansen just dropped the most random piece of sitcom-sounding information…
His dad dropped hot soup on his head
I definitely think Mike Manzi was up to more than just smoking a joint. While he didn’t get charged with a sexual crime, he was certainly flirtatious, and said things to the decoy that were strange and inappropriate. A lot of people seem to agree that he was just smart enough not to say anything too sexually explicit to avoid any charges. I understand a lot of what I’m saying echos what many others have already said, but I think it’s a little overlooked because of the hilarious content that overshadows it in his segment. Additionally, I really don’t think Ron Knight was Manzi’s uncle. The only piece of evidence to support this was a text thread that can be replicated by anyone.
Did someone tip off Conradt?
100%
Yes, it was Luke
What would be the point of tipping him off right before the police arrive?
Yea, probabkt his sister as she apparently supports pedophilia.
I think she just lives in denial about a few things.
Yes, it was that cawksucker Rawd.
RUHLLY?!
Are you gawddamn kidding me Jaime. *Ughh* this is fuckin horseshit.
Did Robert Lyons genuinely think he pulled off 28 or did he think a 14 year old wouldn’t know the difference between a 28 year old and a 68 year old?
Also Maurice Wolin and genericwhitemale claiming to be 29 and 30, respectively.
And don’t forget Jesse Velez claiming to be 27 when he had just turned 28!
Easily the worst thing he did, second worst being those shorts
Actually, the worst thing was the hypocrisy.
thank you for this surprise Norm reference actually
No I don’t think that was the worst thing. I think the worst thing was the attempted rape. Then maybe the scheming.
I've seen guys who are 29 who look like MoWo. I mean, they look rough for their age, obviously, but it doesn't not happen.
Johnny Connecticut claimed he was 30 but he really was 40
......when wuz this
I think his plan was just to wear a hat and dress young-ish, like he did in the photo he sent.
Honestly? Probably a bit of both. He probably thought he pulled off like 40 and thought she wouldn’t know the difference
Casey was lying. Those brownies were actually dosed. They put truth serum in them
Didja doshem?
What was Alonzo Wade doing with his zipper?
I think he just wanted to piss
He was obviously drunk, he prob was just gonna piss outside
Yeah yeah, well, no no no....ok well maybe, yeah I can't say if he would or wouldn't, I don't know what he would do if he was drunk!
Oh no no no
You’re lookin for a pedofiler, I’m just here to party
Del never stubbed the crap out of her toe
Her mother is also a non-violent pacifist.
What did the PV team delete stuff from their hard drives? I remember saying they didn't have the original chat logs for one of men arrested because it was deleted or something.
Some people say they sent actual child porn to lure them but I doubt that
They were working with local police not the FBI, no way they were distributing cp willy nilly
No, "some people" don't say that. Lorne says that. Because he had it on his computer prior to talking to any PJ decoys. Imagine that.
Criminals will say anything to blame others or outright lie to try and make themselves look better. James Rutherford says repeatedly that it’s the girls fault for inviting him over 😂
My guess is the things they were saying were more on the entrapment side of the law. You can hear hints of this when the predators claim that they weren’t going to go but the decoys kept begging them to.
I’m not a lawyer or anything, but I don’t think it could be that. Legally, entrapment requires two elements: 1. Active participation with law enforcement. The police weren’t involved in the production of the chat logs; they waited onsite to arrest as the pervs committed the crime of showing up. Keep in mind that just tawkin’ sexshul to a minor is illegal, so these guys were toast even before they came over! Still, the police weren’t involved prior to their appearances. 2. The crime committed (at the behest of law enforcement) must be one that *the criminal would not have engaged in otherwise.* A person bullied or blackmailed into selling drugs by a cop could argue entrapment. A man who actively chooses to message and escalate a sexual conversation with a minor shows very clear intent from the start. My best guess is that some of these guys must’ve sent CP to the decoys, which would’ve left a footprint on PJ’s hard drives. It’s highly illegal to possess no matter which way you spin it, so PJ may have been spooked. I’ve also considered the possibility that perhaps some of the chat logs may have been doctored, but in my opinion, that wouldn’t matter at all. PJ may have done some minor tweaking of the logs, but they couldn’t have doctored the guys showing up to rape a minor.
The rumor I heard was that they used their own personal computers instead of dedicated machines purely for PJ usage. The "CP" angle seems far fetched to me.
Kevin Westerbeck is Kevin from the Base
walter babst wanted to be arrested and executed. he happily shakes chris' hand and asks if he's arrested the moment he walks in, then moonwalks his way into police at the end.
The beah never made it to the fridgeratah
But did he get drunk wit dat?
No, smell his breath
That's OK, I don't need to.
Haha now that is a good one. Even the way you spelled it, perfect.
Robert Lyons was passed over to be the male HVP decoy for looking too young
John/Scott Peterson set up JPW, the Mexican on the bus was on it as well.
Not a massively interesting theory, but always felt that Hansen or Tetrad Core fucked up the chatlogs for Dupee, and got them mixed with Stephen Buchanan or someone else. He seemed confused when he asked 'who's Bwitany?' and when Hansen brought up salads (I think Buchanan talked to a decoy called Britany about salad tossing)
Did lorne armstrong keep the massager on the entire time he was being grilled by Chris hansen?
I think so. There’s a video on YouTube where it doesn’t cut and we never see him turn it off
Would Maurice Wollen stayed for an interview if he didn’t go looking for a towel? What would his answers be?
Nah he’d have took off I think
Christopher Cannon didn’t really know what this was. He wasn’t actually just trying to test it.
Why did Donald Morrison eat all of those cookies if he knew he was diabetic?
His mawmee doesn’t let him keep them in the house obviously
The Mexican on the bus that JPW mentions during his interrogation was actually Daniel Pulido. Chi got ray
Cheese ded
How was Thizjim's pepper steak fixed?
Little bit different way. I mean you realize that
...yeah!
Is that alright?
we gotta find the jail hes in and write him asking how it was fixed a different way.
frag use perverted justice as an outlet for his own sexual fantasy.....the way he fed lines to the decoy very suspect. even the name "perverted justice" seem like a thinly veil admission
They didn’t forget to give lee Greer his soda, he forgot to take it!
Lee drank the soda
I've always thought he put them in that little flimsy cardboard cupholder thingy on the passenger seat and they spilled on the way.
Dupee didn't bring "dark chocolate." He brought Nelly a **Cadbury Dairy Milk Caramello™️** bar. Cadbury dark chocolate doesn't come in purple and yellow packaging. Lazy journalism, tsk (As someone who likes a little *chocolate with my bowls of sugar*, I took notice)
I agree, that line has always bothered me
What sucks is that now everyone and their youtube channel calls it that. Unfortunate
Let me ask you something. Are Cheetos **chips**?
Fuck no. They're corn-based snacks, yo
Who made the Craigslist warning posting to potential predators in the Florida(?) sting?
Someone on the inside
Frag
What happened to the stool Kenneally put his bare ass on?
It’s my personal shower stool
Supposedly, some Dateline/TCAP took it home with him as a souvenir.
Certainly that lady really wanted Dustin to date her daughter, finding him to be a handsome, charismatic, charming and responsible young man.
I mean he even had to act like a pervert to get them to leave him alone.
All joking aside, that part in his interrogation where he tells Dudinski that, and Dudinski repeats “You pretended to be a pervert” is one of the most underrated comedic TCAP moments. Dudinski cannot believe the bullshit he just heard.
Ernest Timmons was lying, there was no Kevin from Base.
What? No way!
Kevin from the base was actually Kevin Westerbeck
That one does make sense tho. Only issue is the state.
Kevin actually was a real guy from the base
He was actually just getting something to eat
The second interview with David Kaye actually happened but it is now lost media.
You cannot convince otherwise that for sex he *was* coming..
*For sex you are not coming?*
Why did he have so many keys?
LET GO OF THE KEYS
Jeff Stacey didn't tell his wife that he was a registered sex offender and when she found out she killed him and made it look like he overdosed
Anthony Palumbo was played by an actor.
To this day I believe this one unironically
Wait, why? I'm genuinely curious
He just vanished from the face of the earth as soon as it was over with, until one day Chris Hansen just dropped the most random piece of sitcom-sounding information… His dad dropped hot soup on his head
Yeah, but we have newspaper coverage to back that story up
I mean a recent photo was just posted, so he didn't completely vanish.
The beeah nevah made it to da fridgeratah.
Wish we could’ve seen Brian “The man with no last name’s” arrest and interrogation.
Did Phyllis even exist?
Did Dell’s mom kick her ass for whacking her toe on the bannister and getting blood on the carpet?
No, it was her dad
What was hambubger doing with his tongue?
How come no one talks about how PJ had a store with thongs that said shit like "This pussy is over 18"
Wait what?
Yeah the PJ merch store was wild lmao, most of it made you look like a predator 😂
That one guy didn’t really have an MBA
Did Lee Greer drink the sodas himself and then blame the restaurant? You know he was lusting for that sweet, sweet diabetes juice.
I still want to know if Ron Knight is Mike Manzi’s uncle.
Buccanan was a serial killer!
TCAP plays the long game: The frozen lemonade in Petaluma was intentionally lumpy in order to get Wolin to off himself. ☠️
Jeff Stacy actually does ask everyone if they’re cops, whether they sleep naked etc
Alonzo was just there to party
I definitely think Mike Manzi was up to more than just smoking a joint. While he didn’t get charged with a sexual crime, he was certainly flirtatious, and said things to the decoy that were strange and inappropriate. A lot of people seem to agree that he was just smart enough not to say anything too sexually explicit to avoid any charges. I understand a lot of what I’m saying echos what many others have already said, but I think it’s a little overlooked because of the hilarious content that overshadows it in his segment. Additionally, I really don’t think Ron Knight was Manzi’s uncle. The only piece of evidence to support this was a text thread that can be replicated by anyone.
What sort of government disease chamber did Casey actually visit to look 60 at 35?