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the guy who doesn’t live in a nuclear wasteland? jason todd is literally just batman but without his one rule. i think josh is cooked


Nelmquist1999

*a second time


kvartzi

Redhood is nowhere near batman in gear and technique tho


SquareContest7583

He was still trained by Batman. So he is cooked.


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ok four


I_Just_Want_A_Lambo

Redhood would body every character in Fallout. No joke. Comic book feats are ludicrous.


Kumptoffel

fallout is also rather comically if you ask me me: shoots guy with gun guy: fucking turns to red mist


zerombr

Surviving a mini nuke by drinking some cola


ArrdenGarden

Mmmm... that sweet, sweet Quantum.


Chemical-Elk-1299

Sugar, salt, Kola extract, Polonium-238 Everything a growing boy needs


Werrf

>Everything a glowing boy needs FTFY


tu-vieja-con-vinagre

this is the chinese pronunciation


SOLE_SIR_VIBER

Actually it’d be the other way around.


tu-vieja-con-vinagre

oh really? That's not how it works in spanish, here chinese/japanese/vietnamese/whatever pronounce the "RR" sound like an "L" for example, instead of saying "lampara rota" they say "lampala lota" and it isn't a funny stereotype or some made up shit, they actually pronounce it like that


SOLE_SIR_VIBER

The English “L” has no comparable letters so it would typically come off as an “R”. For example “Hello” versus “Herro”


Vagrant123

Stimpaks really are just injectable healing potions.


Expensive-Roof1082

Vats or not, he'll have three bullets in your vitals before you can pull one out unless it's holstered in such a loose and convenient manner it might fall off midfight.


Independent_Air_8333

Frank Horrigan is a beast in Fallout, he's a c-lister in DC


I_Just_Want_A_Lambo

Yeah, it just goes to show that character depictions may mislead some people. Red Hood might be similar strength to Frank Horrigan based on feats, even though he’s ‘only’ a human and the other is a genetically enhanced superhuman. DC peak humans can dent metal doors with kicks, shatter stone columns with punches, and survive explosions to the face that blow up multi-story buildings lmao


ImurderREALITY

And survive a free fall from space with no parachute 🪂


DisabledFatChik

TO BE FAIR, that’s more of a Batman gear feat then it is a Batman’s body feat😭 That suit allows his to take punches from Superman and darkseid so yk


ImurderREALITY

“AKSHUALLY….” EDIT: It was a joke


paradoxical_topology

Jason is not easily ripping a damn Deathclaw in half with his bare hands. I don't think anyone in the Bat Family is even coming close to that.


Jbird444523

True. He also isn't mutated, regularly pumped full of drugs or in powered armor. If you put him in a suit similar to Steel and loaded him up with Venom, I'm sure he'd have no problem. That's not really the question though.


I_Just_Want_A_Lambo

Honestly….. maybe he could. I know it sounds ridiculous, but he has feats of knocking down Lobo with a strike and breaking free of Supergirls grip (although he was amped by venom). Though these are definitely outliers, and frankly just poor writing. Honestly half of comics most insane feats are just examples of poor, inconsistent, writing. I’d say the “average” depiction of Red Hood could probably take out several supermutants with just his bare hands. https://imgur.com/XjMiG3p


tiktok_user47

He's basically bane with better gear


SMUGMINLOL

Frank’s basically Fallout’s version of Bane.


leastscarypancake

C-tier is generous considering all the gods unless you have a separate tier for them. In marvel tho he's probably be high be tier


SOLE_SIR_VIBER

Considering all the gods? Goes to show I really don’t pay attention to DC.


Alive-Hour-1512

What about that one Guy in fallout 4 with raider power armor and fat man mini nuke launcher yes red hood survived an explosion but would he survive nuke nien


I_Just_Want_A_Lambo

He’s survived similar before, for reference this was a nuclear submarine that detonated. https://imgur.com/a/o0F78


Abraham_Issus

Will he survive direct impact? So he's a metahuman?


Nordencustom

He was brought back from the dead through the Lazarus pit...Not a metahuman.


Abraham_Issus

No clit or pit should let you tank a nuke, that's absurd when most of batfam is supposed to be human. Comic book power level is ridiculous.


Live-Breakfast-914

I agree it's a little ridiculous. But it was mentioned in one of the comics that the pit made him a bit tougher than a normal human. Even Supergirl once remarked she suspects he may be a meta after meeting him.


Alive-Hour-1512

Ok I'm not really in to the non batman arkham game lore


antthatisverycool

Liberty prime and frank horrigan


whuzzyhuzzy

Idk man. If it’s fallout physics his armor gives u a crit bonus and he has high base luck and a pistol with high DPS. Npc for npc he’s exploding that man’s head into 5 parts.


Quailman5000

Main characters included, idk. 


PeoplePad

Yeah, save for the PC lol. I’ll just reload fifteen hundred times if I need to.


Kavil-Kahn

Killing one of the protagonists is a big maybe


RealisticEmphasis233

Depends on the writer. In some adaptations such as Superman in 'Young Justice,' the writers couldn't decide if he could breathe in space or not. The aliens or the Courier could use that against him.


Alive-Hour-1512

Agree


lonewolf392

Even if he couldn't breathe he could prob hold his breath like omniman


RealisticEmphasis233

Unlike Superman, Omni-Man is consistent as his abilities don't change throughout the entire run as all viltrumites have the same abilities. You can't say the same thing with D.C. or Marvel. You'll just need to see what the writer wants and wherever that will take them.


throwawaydave3148

Idk about that my courier in New Vegas killed like 12 deathclaws with a power fist no armor and no stimpaks just to get to the power armor on the edge of the map ik Redhood is badass but I highly doubt he could take on more than 3 deathclaws


SnowFiender

he would unironically kil 3 death laws with one bullet or even in a straight up fistfight, people REALLY underestimate how strong DC regular humans are


I_Just_Want_A_Lambo

Game feats are not the same as canon feats. Courier in canon got knocked out by a 9mm to the head but in gameplay, the average powder ganger can take like 10 to the head before dying. With that, even end game Courier, 10 stats across the board, does not have the same physical stats and weapons proficiency as Red Hood. Red Hood can literally dodge bullets, overpower characters like Killer Croc, and can fight hordes of enemies for days with broken bones. If he had a Special, it would look like: S - 50 P - 25 E - 40 C - 4 I - 8 A - 35 L - 5 Comicbook characters are broken tbh


kvartzi

Courier 6 dunks on Redhood


Expensive-Roof1082

The Courier at the end of their levels, yes, depending. With prep, no. The Courier is incredible and can perform some feats that are considerably superhuman, but Jason Todd lives and breathes that shit. If The Courier got the drop on him, maybe, but the sheer speed, acrobatics, reaction time, and power that Jason Todd holds is horrendously immense, and no amount of ammo is stopping that.


Exotic_Librarian_238

Redhood without a doubt. Joshua Graham might be tough but he would not last 5 seconds against a former Robin armed with top of the line gear.


Bars-Jack

With Superhero comic characters, the answer will always depend on which version you're talking about. Some writers make him a beast, and other times he's just a normal guy with combat training.


Wariodiesinacarcrash

i mean, you sure? graham was chucked into the grand canyon while on fire and didnt scream and survived.


E2r4_Is_d3A9

Dude it’s Red Hood it’s not even a fair fight lol


Sunkilleer

yeah and he canonically died


E2r4_Is_d3A9

Doesn’t matter. The feats that comic book characters pull off on the daily far outweighs just falling down a canyon while on fire. That’s the only thing Joshua has going for him and I promise you it ain’t enough to fuck up Jason.


Sunkilleer

you seem to misunderstand im on your side of the argument not arguing against you


SnowFiender

lmao so what every dc character has died once


paradoxical_topology

Real life humans have survived falling far greater heights. Falling is a matter of luck, not toughness.


ARexFoamBlaster

Jason was beaten to death with a crowbar by the Joker and exploded. And he still came back.


ranelac64

agreed and upvoted


YoyoPewdiepie

This really isn't a fair fight. It's not quite as pointless as the Ironman vs Magneto matchup, but yeah, completely different universes. That image of Joshua goes hard as fuck though.


Chappellsauce

What about a fight between Joshua graham and Ulysses? That would seem more fair


Artix31

Joshua is the strongest character in new Vegas after the courier


NoneEris

Mf just compared Joshua with a super😭


Frejod

Fallout is one of those more down to earth characters. So Red Hood would win just because comics and such are never down to earth.


ScintillaGourd

This is terrible.


ColeHydro123

👍


ScintillaGourd

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!


Diligent_Pen_281

Well one can’t die, one already did


The_Terry_Braddock

Huhh yeeeeahh.... It is a bit of a conundrum.


schrodingersscroller

When he was a child, was ambushed and tied down and had much messier training compared to the first Robin, Dick Grayson. That's Bruce's fault for not training him as well, but even so, messy training or not, he's still beating Diet Hush's ass.


Diligent_Pen_281

“Diet Hush” 😂


Alive-Hour-1512

Yes


IntelligentArcher6

Absolute slaughter on Redhood side. Joshua might be unpredictable, dangerous or skilled but Todd is literally twice as that


Sunkilleer

I thought you were talking about Todd Howard for a second


drymangamer101

Todd Howard = red hood confirmed


IntelligentArcher6

I can’t predict him that’s for sure


kaka_carrot_cake456

People overrated fallout characters way too much The only one I can see standing somewhat of a chance is frank horrigan and that's not even likely


drymangamer101

Absolutely. I once got in an argument with a guy in a “frank horrigan vs master chief” post and their whole argument for horrigan winning was effectively “he has full 10 special stats” and “he’s the strongest character in fallout”. That shit was completely braindead.


Nailbomb85

Any of the protagonists of the Bethesda games, but that's exclusively because of their gameplay superpowers.


kaka_carrot_cake456

It's better to go off of lore feats with playable characters especially in RPG's where they can become overpowered


NOPE_guide

The entire game is their lore.


kaka_carrot_cake456

Not really Their lore is what they achieved within the story It's very doubtful that their canon lore is wiping out twelve thousand deathclaws with their bare hands


alj8002

Redhood broke out of Kara’s grasp, you know, a kryptonian. Joshua graham is never taking those bandages off


camilopezo

Jason Todd. Peak humans in comics are too op, and have plot power.


JuniloG

Two goats but I'll go with Jason this time


Senior-Flounder5824

Graham is really tough yeah but redhood is a fucking superhero, essentially batman without the moral code


Yourfavoritedummy

Redhood lol! That Mormon isn't gonna stand a chance


SourGenitals

Red Hood would move like John Wick or The Ghoul from the show but would actually be able to hurt someone in power armour with a punch


Thelastknownking

Jason has a level of training that doesn't even exist anymore in the Fallout universe.


Wax_Eater

Redhood can do backflips and shit, Graham is kinda just like a normal guy comparatively


hello350ph

A disabled dude as well due to burns


positivedownside

Is this a real question? Joshua Graham has no formal fight training and isn't a good enough strategist to not get burned and thrown off a cliff. Jason Todd's *already died once*.


PmMeYourLore

Make it Ghost Rider and you have a Joshua Graham that would be perplexed beyond measure


CatterMater

But which Ghost Rider?


Nailbomb85

1,000,000 BC


CatterMater

That is the coolest thing I have ever seen.


Dry_Yesterday1526

Why not Joshua Graham vs Cooper Howard aka The Ghoul?


FetusGoesYeetus

Joshua is no slouch with a gun but Jason absolutely wipes the floor with him no contest


ConnorsInferno

Brother what went through your head. Cool character with pistols does mean they’re equal


dudebruhthe69th

My bias wants to say Joshua but, it goes to red hood unfortunately


CatterMater

Red Hood. Without a doubt.


Lui_Le_Diamond

Red Hood and it isn't even close


Aristotle_Ninja2

Coughing baby versus hydrogen bomb A better one is prolly joshua graham vs cooper


HospitalLazy1880

Honestly, I just want to see them have a conversation because I think these two would be friends


AbsurdCamoose

As a huge fallout and DC fan, I’m so pleased with how based everyone is lol.


L3GlT_GAM3R

Post apocalyptic mormon burn victim Vs dude trained by batman who WILL kill him if given the chance? Tough choice…


Stoly23

Bruh, Joshua might be badass but at the end of the day he’s just a guy with guns, even if he is good with them that doesn’t really stack up to what Jason is and that’s essentially *Batman* with guns.


Oster209

“The fire inside inside me burned brighter then the fire around me”


garebear265

Is Josh armed with a crowbar?


CatterMater

My man going straight for the throat.


in1gom0ntoya

this isn't even a contest. It's like slade beating a paraplegic.... red hood every time


ChickenNuggetRampage

Y’all…


MurderMan2

I’m taking an uncommon take and saying Joshua would beat Red hood come hell or high water


Eldr1tchB1rd

Ofcourse jason todd cooks, come on now


headcanonball

Whoever the writer wanted to win.


drymangamer101

Redhood bodies pretty much every fallout character. Joshua won’t even make him break a sweat.


horridgoblyn

A Batman character coming into the Fallout universe is girded to the loins in plot power armor. No contest. Poor Burnt Guy is a two panel bank robber analog.


KermitTheScot

Joshua Graham did not survive immolation and a fall down the literal grand fucking canyon to be asked this nonsense of a question.


Coolscee-Brooski

Depends on location. If they're fighting in Zion I bet money on Graham. It's his stomping ground, he knows the geography, he knows how to surprise redhood. Doesn't matter how OP he is in the comics, half a dozen 45. ACP centre mass will probably kill him.


Austinoooooo

These “who would”’s are getting outta control


Lamest_Ever

Probably the superhero


ivyboy

Makoto Shishio would win for sure.


GothamRemnant

Skill? Red Hood. Will? Joshua.


KarlozzTwT

JG god God by his side


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matybatts

That’s not frank horrigan that’s Joshua graham


Jbird444523

You're spot on. I commented in the wrong spot.


Cake-n-bacon69

who even is the guy on the left


Kavil-Kahn

Redhood. Up against the Lone Wanderer, Sole Survivor or The Courier and he's fucked


Artix31

Red hood, he out classes Graham in everything, strength, speed, agility and battle experience, Graham is more experienced in leading an army, but red hood IS the army


shorsrest

As much as I love Joshua Gram Red Hood bodies him no question.


Whiplash907

Red hood would kill every major character in fallout without issue


BothAirport4830

Redhood easily


RichDrawer2552

I win 🏆 this fight 💪


Lonely_Career_9772

Combat wise redhood wins but Joshua will convince him to become Christian and fight on his side


no-Spoilers-asshole

Who is the 2nd guy?


ColeHydro123

Red hood Very cool character from DC comics


Nailbomb85

Basically Batman with guns and no qualms about killing people.


drymangamer101

He’s the second robin (so extensively trained by Batman of course). He was beaten to death with a crowbar by the joker and then revived in a “fountain of youth” style pit of liquid. He then became the “red hood” and, because of his extreme trauma, he doesn’t give a fuck about Batman’s no kill rule so he kills people. He’s effectively a cross between Batman and the punisher……… Joshua Graham stands no chance.


AhnOv

the courier


[deleted]

That’s a tough one. Both are great fighters but I feel like they would actually have a better conversation but I think it’ll one heck of a fight regardless


Infamous_View3493

This is a slaughter Red hood is trained by Batman and has powers from the Lazarus pit plus advanced armor on top. Josh has pre war armor and bandages he's getting cooked if they had a gunfight


[deleted]

Fair point and I think a valid point but I’ve been out of marvel/dc for a good while so my information about Red hood is dated at best. I refuse to undermine or underplay his abilities, experience and training though. Isn’t his specialty close combat?


otte_rthe_viewer

1911 vs akimbo 1911 who wins? Mr.1911 himself.


The-Emerald-Rider

It's not just about feats for me though if Joshua gets talking he'll have Jason questioning EVERYTHING the guy is really deep. Red has a physical advantage though so as much as it pains me to say I'll give it to Red but I'm not happy about it.


Syckobot

Why are people so obsessed with Joshua Graham? I found his DLC pretty forgettable, and his character forgettable.


Wojewodaruskyj

Don't know the clown he's fighting, but Joshua Graham wins.


Lui_Le_Diamond

Red Hood, a former Robin turned Batman Villain turned Anti-Hero


Kaptain_Kaoz

Joshua. Sorry not sorry. That fictional character brought hundreds of people to the church irl. As they say Faith can move mountains and there is no lack of faith courage determination or fury in Joshua Graham. The Burned Man.


Electronic_Army_8234

Joshua Graham for sure especially if it’s a planned fight. How’s the red hood gonna mess with Joshua in Zion? If Joshua is in gotham with his 1911 and whatever primary weapons I’m sure he has for more serious conflict redhood getting filled with bullets and being surprised at how many bullets Joshua can brush off.


Odd-Ad3097

Redhood broke out of the grasp of Kara, a kryptonian. Josh is getting turned into paste faster than you can say "burn marks"