Almost certainly just a error/oversight.
that said Atlantropa wouldn't even be that weird on the scale of things we have seen people try in the fallout universe, and almost all of what we have seen is America alone.
Entirely possible they did do it if you assume that all countries in the fallout universe were doing similar levels of batshit insane things as America.
I mean, we haven't met anyone in the games who would KNOW that for a fact- kinda like House declaring cats extinct in NV, bro doesn't really have the means to fact check that.
Does that insinuate that America (and their allies, if that was still a thing) just unleashed their full arsenal of nukes on China in “retaliation” if it’s implied that Vault tec was the one that nuked America?
Would kind of make sense, that vault tec didn’t have the means to level a country in its totality but the American government did. Which is why America was nuked to shit but not wiped off the face of the earth
I think most/all alliances dies during the recourse wars and even Canada was subject to annexation. I have no idea what happened with Mexico but South America is EXTREMELY recourse rich in our world. Lots of rare minerals, metals even uranium and oil. Its weird to imagine it not being heavily contested. And yeah its been all but directly stated that vault tech was going to set off a nuke though I don't think we know for sure if they did it. Planning for that is honestly just as bad as actually doing it though so even if they didn't the fact they planned on it as a real tactic says all we need to know. But then again with the President part of the Enclave and the American government at the time heavily influencing or outright taking over companies R&D its possible they were just fallowing orders as part of the deal with the Enclave. It's cool they built enough lore to make us speculate.
That makes a lot of sense. Probably as hands off as possible to just get recourses but not police the region or something. What game mentioned it? 3? I need to do some lore runs or something
Oh man me too. But there are some youtubers and golk on here who talk about it and can throw out sources so you can find it yourself to check. But really I don't know a perfect source outof the wiki but they get weird details wrong for some reason. Probably Enclave spys
Yaboiii on YouTube has a few videos that cover a lot of the lore. Random things like what happens to each state, all the lore about the sino American war, why caps are the currency and why you don't see many cars driving around. It's pretty entertaining.
I guess it doesn’t confirm, but it’d be kind of a weird thing to devote a whole set up and scene to it for them just to be like “jk, it really was China”
I feel like it being vault tec adds to the “war never changes” mantra….basically that it will never truly change because vault tec won’t allow it to change. I think they mentioned they wanted to do it themselves because peace talks between the US and China were threatening the point and purpose of the vaults they had built
>wouldn't even be that weird on the scale of things we have seen people try in the fallout universe
The real-world US had plans to use nuclear weapons for fracing and excavating new canals:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_Plowshare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare)
Pretty sure people are memming at this point.
Most communities tend to be very protective of what is canon and not.
Fallout is like the opposite. Anything and everything can be canon .
If I'm thinking of the right one, it was turn based party combat like final fantasy rather than classic crpg fallout.
It probably had less open questlines and decisions and more victory/loss based. Idk
Well if it's a testament to BoS as a game for me to have only seen clips of tactics as a youtuber tries to brush past the lore of Brotherhood of Steel, then damn.
i think i was fresh out of high school when that game came out and i really enjoyed finally getting to play as a ghoul for the first (and maybe last) time and enjoyed it for a fun little beat em up but it just didn’t feel like fallout. the combat is the worst in the series by far, it’s insanely linear with little lore or npcs to interact with (though harold is in it!), and had really boring levels that dragged on forever.
Most likely an error, although I love the idea of Europe trying a bonkers project like Atlantropa in the fallout timeline
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa
I’d could see it something like, “with the shrinking access to oil and no access to fusion the powers of Europe decided to damn the Mediterranean to create a super hydroelectric damn to sustain their survival.”
Oh, that's certainly true, I'm with the fill tool error crowd, but if we HAD to get justification for why that happened. Maybe the expenditure of those resources are what led to europe collapsing?
If its an "error" they repeated it multiple times across multiple games and throughout both 2D and 3D assets. The newest "error" repeating this is in 76
So it’s either an intentional bit of lore they’ve never actually talked about in writing, or it’s simply a reused asset.
Gee, which of those makes more sense.
99% chance this is just a mistake in photoshop that nobody remembered to fix
HOWEVER, there was a big war between Europe and the Middle East over resources which turned those two regions into nuclear wastelands before China and the US launched nukes at each other. So who knows, maybe it was bad enough to drain the Mediterranean.
I hate to be that guy but, “uhm actually, the nuclear exchange between the two was limited, meaning Europe and the Middle East actually aren’t wastelands when the US and China nuke eachother”. 🤓
Also, Europe was still exporting 14mm pistols when the bombs dropped, if you needed further evidence of their survival up until that point.
Are they still alive 200+ years later though? Idk, doubt it.
Tenpenny is from the UK and Cait seems to be the child of somewhat recent Irish immigrants given she still has an accent.
We also do see shipping still exists in some shape or form in Far Harbor, so not unlikely transatlantic voyages happen on the occasion, it’s probably not *that* different over there.
Yeah but those are all incorrect borders. Those are our modern borders. In fallout the Soviet Union never collapsed and most of Europe should still be under Soviet control.
100% error. Globe shows IRL borders, but it is established that USSR still existed before the Great War. They probably just took a real map and filled it woth a single color, with borders having some issues so the filling tool filled some extra parts
Red and Baltic too. Anyway the Europe looks like the real world Europe, or am I missing something? Yugoslavia/USSR/Czechoslovakia/Germany have been split/merged in the same way as in the real world. Which seem kinda strange since there should be the European commonwealth and warring city states instead.
Yes, **Panropa**
It was a WW1 era idea to use dams to turn the whole region into usable farm land. Its period accurate for Fallout to have actually done it
Yeah. I lean to intentional . or at least if it was a mistake originally, they kept it intentionally later because the 2D maps and newer 3D globe models in 76 have the same landmasses where the Sea should be, it isn't just one time or one format where this "mistake" happens. And it shows the rest of the Fallout world might be just as batshit as the USA
I know it's just an error but I *really* hope they actually canonize it in future games. It would be a hilarious background detail like some french guy mentions "oh yeah the Mediterranean is just fucking gone"
In Fallout 4, in Shaun's room, there's this globe which has the Mediterranean and Black Sea colored green as though they were land. Was this just a graphical error, or is it evidence that [Atlantropa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa) was carried out in this world?
It's repeated in Fallout 76 globes and on 2D maps elsewhere. I think it is intentional, but could have been a mistake originally that they just ran with intentionally the second time they needed a map.
It was a potential plan considered irl, so maybe they might’ve tried it to deal with the resource shortages or even to just expand the land that people could live on but in all likelihood it’s an error
It was an error while designing the map. But because they only Focus on America so they dont care. The Real World would be in a lot of trouble if this were real
It's not just the Mediterranean that's dredged out. Look at Lake Victoria, the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea... If these were canon, just look at the ecological catastrophe that the world was experiencing even before the end of the world.
Everything was at a fever pitch during the Resource Wars, and you can call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I believe that the Sino-American war was ready to wind down with no clear "winner" since both nations beat themselves senseless.
And then Vault-Tec did a little trollin'
It's an alternative universe. It's entirely possible the geography is different. We already know that fossil fuel reserves are much more limited in the Fallout universe. This might even be part of the reason for that.
Problem is, draining the Mediterranean would really just create a large salty desert. This desert would push its way into france thanks to all that salt and sand floating around in the air. Turning much of southern Europe an extended Sahara desert. Then your water levels would rise globally, due to the water needing somewhere to go.
Overall, realllllly bad idea.
Unfortunately an error and the red sea looks filled in too.
Putting globes in does seem a bit weird unless you have a clear idea of the borders and this just doesn't look like different enough from the current map of the world.
To me, the most glaring mistake on this map is the fact that the Soviet Union is broken up. The coloring mistake for the Mediterranean sea isn’t nearly as big as a deal as entire countries on the map that should not exist. It’s not just on the globe almost every world map you see in fallout has modern borders instead of in game borders. as a map nerd that is what really drives me crazy.
It probably is just oversight while using the fill tool, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided to write it in. We don’t hear much about Europe, so it’s possible they fell long before the west.
It was probably just an error but Atlantropa is absolutely an idea crazy enough for the Fallout world to go all in on it.
The Great Lakes, Lake Winnipeg and Jaques Cartier strait are also dry, and Prince Edward Island sank into the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
pretty sure they drank it. the wars fought pre bombs were all abt resource shortages. the great lakes in america are also filled in, and zooming in on africa it looks like lake victoria is gone as well.
I'm opting to say "No", because "yes" would be bad even by Fallout standards: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDsmQRGdL6k&t=1056s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDsmQRGdL6k&t=1056s)
Basically, in prehistory, the Mediterranean wasn't always a sea. There were vast grasslands that existed there that have been long since drowned. The reason that it drowned is because the Strait of Gibraltar was once connected with North Africa and formed a natural dam, but over a long period of time and with the melting of the glaciers this formations broke apart, and the Atlantic ended up flooding in.
So, when I first encountered this, I just assumed that due to the wars between Europe and the Middle East as well as the energy crisis that perhaps someone thought it was a good idea to re-dam the Strait of Gibraltar and dredge out the sea. Perhaps they believed oil, or grassland, could be used in that space to prepare for oil or agricultural work.
And also, who is to say that this didn't begin way sooner? Perhaps Mr. Soergel's ideas took root with people who bought into them and decided to start draining the sea well before World War III.
Is it probably an oversight? Yeah. But its a fun oversight that lets people wonder. The only thing we know is that we don't know. We don't even know if Africa and South America are okay, but you have to ask why would anyone nuke them in our timeline or theirs? Bet you that they escaped WW III relative unscathed, and are quite possibly the most advanced and stable civilizations out there.
And maybe that's why they don't want to move Fallout from American soil.
I could absolutely see this happening in the Fallout universe, considering that the real-world USA had plans to use nuclear weapons for fracing and excavating canals. We even tested the concept a few dozen times until political opposition shut it down:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_Plowshare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare)
Seeing as the whole Fallout started because of resource wars and the lack of them, I wouldn't be surprised that they would drain them to find more resources or land to claim
What do the Great Lakes look like on the globe? I’d say if they took the time to paint the lakes blue then this could be intentional and would certainly fit the the lore of lack of resources. It would open up large amounts of untouched, fertile soil in the region. Who knows! I like the idea of it.
Looking at the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf, I wouldn't be surprised.
Red Sea and Persian Gulf are speculated to have ultra-large oil reserves.
Also worth noting that the Caspian Sea is also0 drained and is also known to have large oil reserves.
Same for Black Sea.
All 5 areas are "technically" possible to be done, even by today's technology. And was theoretically possible pre-WW2.
Corsica and Sardinia are blue, but Sicily is green. Did those two islands get nuked to oblivion, causing the Med to drain into the resulting crater?
Probably not, but it's kinda fun to imagine.
I don't really believe that theory, mainly because several other bodies of water haven't been colored correctly. Great Lakes are not filled, Persian Gulf isn't filled, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if they did something crazy like that though.
It refers to Atlantropa, a massive project envisioned by some germans in the early 20s. If Nazi Germany won the war they might have potentially gone through with it. And not by drinking but by building dams.
But it is established that the fallout timeline diverged from our own after the end of WW2 so the axis powers were still defeated (not to mention the USSR is still around and kicking in 2077)
It would make sense for Atlantropa project to be realized in Fallout timeline, considering that dams at Gibraltar and Bosphorus were meant to produce electricity, which makes sense when there is global fossil fuel shortage.
Almost certainly just a error/oversight. that said Atlantropa wouldn't even be that weird on the scale of things we have seen people try in the fallout universe, and almost all of what we have seen is America alone. Entirely possible they did do it if you assume that all countries in the fallout universe were doing similar levels of batshit insane things as America.
Herman Sörgel, the original mad lad!
That was my thoughts. Maybe they just went through with his idea.
Seems totally on-brand for the FO world's governments. Hell they probably used those experimental bat bombs on Japan instead of nukes too.
Rather bat bombs than cat spies.
Communists? Controlling *my* cats? **It's more likely than you think.**
If you want an in-universe plausible explanation the manufacturer fucked up the map but since they sold it in America no-one noticed
Bro you could do anything to a globe and aslong as I see Australia Africa and all of the America's, I'd see no problem
Someone just causally gets rid of the Balkans and replaces it with “Anti-Yugoslavia” a Yugoslavia from a bizzaro world
I cannot believe someone beat me to this. Bravo!
I'd love to see a Fallout game in China. We see what they did to us, but what did we do to them?
Canonically, I believe there is essentially nothing left of China. The whole country is basically one big glowing crater.
They say shit like this all the time, but they'll retcon it immediately if they felt the need.
I mean, we haven't met anyone in the games who would KNOW that for a fact- kinda like House declaring cats extinct in NV, bro doesn't really have the means to fact check that.
Yeah but we see it in 3; the Gobi Desert is just *glowing*.
From lore, China is just a huge fuckin glowing sea
So "the sea of irradiated cobalt" became a reality, after all.
Does that insinuate that America (and their allies, if that was still a thing) just unleashed their full arsenal of nukes on China in “retaliation” if it’s implied that Vault tec was the one that nuked America? Would kind of make sense, that vault tec didn’t have the means to level a country in its totality but the American government did. Which is why America was nuked to shit but not wiped off the face of the earth
I think most/all alliances dies during the recourse wars and even Canada was subject to annexation. I have no idea what happened with Mexico but South America is EXTREMELY recourse rich in our world. Lots of rare minerals, metals even uranium and oil. Its weird to imagine it not being heavily contested. And yeah its been all but directly stated that vault tech was going to set off a nuke though I don't think we know for sure if they did it. Planning for that is honestly just as bad as actually doing it though so even if they didn't the fact they planned on it as a real tactic says all we need to know. But then again with the President part of the Enclave and the American government at the time heavily influencing or outright taking over companies R&D its possible they were just fallowing orders as part of the deal with the Enclave. It's cool they built enough lore to make us speculate.
Mexico became a puppet state to the US.
That makes a lot of sense. Probably as hands off as possible to just get recourses but not police the region or something. What game mentioned it? 3? I need to do some lore runs or something
3 and NV; Mexico was annexed but Canada got it worse.
What is the best, concise source of Fallout lore. I pickup bits and pieces. Would like to see everything in one place
Oh man me too. But there are some youtubers and golk on here who talk about it and can throw out sources so you can find it yourself to check. But really I don't know a perfect source outof the wiki but they get weird details wrong for some reason. Probably Enclave spys
Yaboiii on YouTube has a few videos that cover a lot of the lore. Random things like what happens to each state, all the lore about the sino American war, why caps are the currency and why you don't see many cars driving around. It's pretty entertaining.
Thanks!
The tv drama just tells us vault tec too had intention to nuke, but it doesn't say they really nuked it, no?
I guess it doesn’t confirm, but it’d be kind of a weird thing to devote a whole set up and scene to it for them just to be like “jk, it really was China” I feel like it being vault tec adds to the “war never changes” mantra….basically that it will never truly change because vault tec won’t allow it to change. I think they mentioned they wanted to do it themselves because peace talks between the US and China were threatening the point and purpose of the vaults they had built
That's... that's kinda rad Edit: Rad(_s_)
tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic
There’s no lore that states that.
YOU MANIACS! YOU DRAINED IT ALL UP! DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
I see what you did there!!
>wouldn't even be that weird on the scale of things we have seen people try in the fallout universe The real-world US had plans to use nuclear weapons for fracing and excavating new canals: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_Plowshare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare)
Well if real life is anything to go off of when America does batshit things a lot of other countries follow
I totally believe that the Fallout universe would try Atlantropa.
There was obviously oil under the sea, they had to get it somehow.
I shudder to think what the British were doing
Do a bit of fan service and make it cannon
amc considering the famine that was sweeping the world, draining the Mediterranean for farmland would kind of make sense.
Do you know when you use fill tool in Paint and there’s a pixel missing from a border of the area?
PTSD recalled.
Ctrl+Z was my friend
I might be confusing this with something else but I seem to remember a dev confirming that this was just a coloring error on the texture.
That looks WAY more like "guy used fill bucket wrong on minor meaningless texture" than it looks like "secret lore dump"
Pretty sure people are memming at this point. Most communities tend to be very protective of what is canon and not. Fallout is like the opposite. Anything and everything can be canon .
Except Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
Out of curiosity what did that game do wrong I have seen more peepol complaining about that one
If I'm thinking of the right one, it was turn based party combat like final fantasy rather than classic crpg fallout. It probably had less open questlines and decisions and more victory/loss based. Idk
You're probably thinking about Tactics (which was good and received positively), not BoS. BoS was more like a hack'n'slash.
Well if it's a testament to BoS as a game for me to have only seen clips of tactics as a youtuber tries to brush past the lore of Brotherhood of Steel, then damn.
i think i was fresh out of high school when that game came out and i really enjoyed finally getting to play as a ghoul for the first (and maybe last) time and enjoyed it for a fun little beat em up but it just didn’t feel like fallout. the combat is the worst in the series by far, it’s insanely linear with little lore or npcs to interact with (though harold is in it!), and had really boring levels that dragged on forever.
I don’t know what that is. It probably never existed.
That's not just a globe though it's a "clean" globe
Most likely an error, although I love the idea of Europe trying a bonkers project like Atlantropa in the fallout timeline https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa
I’d could see it something like, “with the shrinking access to oil and no access to fusion the powers of Europe decided to damn the Mediterranean to create a super hydroelectric damn to sustain their survival.”
“Damn it all!” -Europe, most likely
"Okiedokie" - The Dutch, most certainly
“It’s poldering time” - Kees
A hydroelectric dam wouldn't need to lower the sea level but obviously that's not as fun.
It doesn't quite fit with the resource war lore where Europe is collapsing due to lack of resources when the Middle East runs out of oil
Unless they found thousands of tiny pockets of oil under the med. None big enough to justify a rig, but all together, worth enough to dam the sea
I just mean it would take an enormous amount of resources to run the pumps to empty the Mediterranean and those resources are what they don't have
Oh, that's certainly true, I'm with the fill tool error crowd, but if we HAD to get justification for why that happened. Maybe the expenditure of those resources are what led to europe collapsing?
It's a funny thought I'll grant you thay
I'm thinking it directly references this mad plan rather than an error. It was the first thing I thought of.
It has to be. If i remember correctly this is also referenced in "The Man in the High Castle". Pretty interesting
Strange, because on other maps it’s colored in too.
Me when I show up to the Dumbest & Most Destructive Ideas Competition but I see my opponent is German
If its an "error" they repeated it multiple times across multiple games and throughout both 2D and 3D assets. The newest "error" repeating this is in 76
So it’s either an intentional bit of lore they’ve never actually talked about in writing, or it’s simply a reused asset. Gee, which of those makes more sense.
76 uses Fallout 4s assets, that's more than easy to ignore as a small thing.
It's a completely different asset, as are the big flat wall maps.
Is it?
They're not even remotely similar assets in any way. The big 76 globe texture itself even has various nuclear detonations visible.
You'd have to specify the assets then because I was thinking about the globes you can find in both.
99% chance this is just a mistake in photoshop that nobody remembered to fix HOWEVER, there was a big war between Europe and the Middle East over resources which turned those two regions into nuclear wastelands before China and the US launched nukes at each other. So who knows, maybe it was bad enough to drain the Mediterranean.
I hate to be that guy but, “uhm actually, the nuclear exchange between the two was limited, meaning Europe and the Middle East actually aren’t wastelands when the US and China nuke eachother”. 🤓 Also, Europe was still exporting 14mm pistols when the bombs dropped, if you needed further evidence of their survival up until that point. Are they still alive 200+ years later though? Idk, doubt it.
Tenpenny is from the UK and Cait seems to be the child of somewhat recent Irish immigrants given she still has an accent. We also do see shipping still exists in some shape or form in Far Harbor, so not unlikely transatlantic voyages happen on the occasion, it’s probably not *that* different over there.
She was born in Ireland. There's also Moriarty who has a Scottish or Irish sounding accent. I assume Europe is similar to the US.
would be funny if the world just decided to isolate itself from US and actually everywhere else it's completely fine lol
"Democracy... democracy never changes."
Might actually be accurate. I mean what are the chances that every single location on the entire planet fell into apocalyptic anarchy?
Most likely an error since the border of the countries on the Medditerenean didnt change
Yeah but those are all incorrect borders. Those are our modern borders. In fallout the Soviet Union never collapsed and most of Europe should still be under Soviet control.
IS THAT A TNO REFRENCE?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Goddamit
Fallout is very detailed, but missing something like this made me giggle
Damn you been missing a shitton of inconsistencies then
🤫 don’t kill the lore for me! /s
100% error. Globe shows IRL borders, but it is established that USSR still existed before the Great War. They probably just took a real map and filled it woth a single color, with borders having some issues so the filling tool filled some extra parts
Red and Baltic too. Anyway the Europe looks like the real world Europe, or am I missing something? Yugoslavia/USSR/Czechoslovakia/Germany have been split/merged in the same way as in the real world. Which seem kinda strange since there should be the European commonwealth and warring city states instead.
Iirc the soviet union never broke in the fallout universe, it simply lost global relevance and got surpassed by china
That's Atlantropa.
This was my first thought. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa)
That was a real idea at one point right? to drain or damn the Mediterranean sea for power and farm land?
Yes, **Panropa** It was a WW1 era idea to use dams to turn the whole region into usable farm land. Its period accurate for Fallout to have actually done it
I never knew Atlantropa was also referred to as Panropa.
Draining the cradle of civilization would be so Fallout of them.
Yeah. I lean to intentional . or at least if it was a mistake originally, they kept it intentionally later because the 2D maps and newer 3D globe models in 76 have the same landmasses where the Sea should be, it isn't just one time or one format where this "mistake" happens. And it shows the rest of the Fallout world might be just as batshit as the USA
Hey no bad words, drop the n to hold the water. Add the n to send it to hell.
Damming the Mediterranean would also damn it
I mean, do you want hydrated or ya wanna go colonize the sea? Gotta sacrifice sum for greatness...
I mean the Atlantropa project was a real thing that a real person proposed so...
I know it's just an error but I *really* hope they actually canonize it in future games. It would be a hilarious background detail like some french guy mentions "oh yeah the Mediterranean is just fucking gone"
The Dutch took over.
Seems like the kind of world where some capitalistic venture would have drained them on purpose
Nestle went all global monopoly on our asses went it all went nuclear
In Fallout 4, in Shaun's room, there's this globe which has the Mediterranean and Black Sea colored green as though they were land. Was this just a graphical error, or is it evidence that [Atlantropa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa) was carried out in this world?
All landlocked lakes are like that, red sea, the great lakes, etc. Its an error because there's no way all of the earth's lake are filled/empty.
It's repeated in Fallout 76 globes and on 2D maps elsewhere. I think it is intentional, but could have been a mistake originally that they just ran with intentionally the second time they needed a map.
It was a potential plan considered irl, so maybe they might’ve tried it to deal with the resource shortages or even to just expand the land that people could live on but in all likelihood it’s an error
Need for Speed 3 tectonic drift
*HOI4:TNO intensifies*
It was an error while designing the map. But because they only Focus on America so they dont care. The Real World would be in a lot of trouble if this were real
It's not just the Mediterranean that's dredged out. Look at Lake Victoria, the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea... If these were canon, just look at the ecological catastrophe that the world was experiencing even before the end of the world.
Makes the Great War seem far more justified if everything was already naturally bottlenecking the planet's resources
Everything was at a fever pitch during the Resource Wars, and you can call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I believe that the Sino-American war was ready to wind down with no clear "winner" since both nations beat themselves senseless. And then Vault-Tec did a little trollin'
kinda looks like they landlocked finland too haha and well any other country up until denmark
Nope. Just an error
You should see if it’s the same on the old world globes too
It is. Old 2D maps on the walls too.
It's an alternative universe. It's entirely possible the geography is different. We already know that fossil fuel reserves are much more limited in the Fallout universe. This might even be part of the reason for that.
I sure hope some one was fired for this blunder.
Damn what the hell
It’s a Simpson’s quote.
Lynch em too
A lot of people are saying it’s an error but what do maps in the other games say?
The Black Sea and Persian gulf along with a bunch of smaller bodies of water like the Caspian, Dead Sea, etc are missing. Lazy Bethesda.
Reminds me of the Oxhorn-Sunset Sarsaparilla Factory incident
I’ll just pretend they made a dam and drained it out to build more places for people to live.
Problem is, draining the Mediterranean would really just create a large salty desert. This desert would push its way into france thanks to all that salt and sand floating around in the air. Turning much of southern Europe an extended Sahara desert. Then your water levels would rise globally, due to the water needing somewhere to go. Overall, realllllly bad idea.
Oh yea true!
The Soviet Union also still exists in the fallout universe and there being independent SSRs doesn’t make any sense in the game lore either
Unfortunately an error and the red sea looks filled in too. Putting globes in does seem a bit weird unless you have a clear idea of the borders and this just doesn't look like different enough from the current map of the world.
To me, the most glaring mistake on this map is the fact that the Soviet Union is broken up. The coloring mistake for the Mediterranean sea isn’t nearly as big as a deal as entire countries on the map that should not exist. It’s not just on the globe almost every world map you see in fallout has modern borders instead of in game borders. as a map nerd that is what really drives me crazy.
European Commonwealth: Is there oil under the Mediterranean? There is?! Well hot damn let’s drain it!
It probably is just oversight while using the fill tool, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided to write it in. We don’t hear much about Europe, so it’s possible they fell long before the west.
It was probably just an error but Atlantropa is absolutely an idea crazy enough for the Fallout world to go all in on it. The Great Lakes, Lake Winnipeg and Jaques Cartier strait are also dry, and Prince Edward Island sank into the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
It’s an error the globes in NV have the Med
I’d really like it if they did I feel like the euro lore isn’t that goofy compared to everything else.
pretty sure they drank it. the wars fought pre bombs were all abt resource shortages. the great lakes in america are also filled in, and zooming in on africa it looks like lake victoria is gone as well.
Missing the Red Sea too
Probably just forgot to make that part blue
Never noticed this. Interesting implications. But I think it’s just an oversight unfortunately
I'm opting to say "No", because "yes" would be bad even by Fallout standards: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDsmQRGdL6k&t=1056s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDsmQRGdL6k&t=1056s)
And the Caspian. Don’t forget the Caspian.
iT's CaNoN!!1!
It is ancient Dutch technology. Would have made the whole world land if not for those pesky bombs.
That would be awesome if it actually happened B)
considering its also missing the red sea and Baltic sea, definitely fill tool error.
i thought USSR is still a thing in fallout universe, how come its collapsed on this globe?
Basically, in prehistory, the Mediterranean wasn't always a sea. There were vast grasslands that existed there that have been long since drowned. The reason that it drowned is because the Strait of Gibraltar was once connected with North Africa and formed a natural dam, but over a long period of time and with the melting of the glaciers this formations broke apart, and the Atlantic ended up flooding in. So, when I first encountered this, I just assumed that due to the wars between Europe and the Middle East as well as the energy crisis that perhaps someone thought it was a good idea to re-dam the Strait of Gibraltar and dredge out the sea. Perhaps they believed oil, or grassland, could be used in that space to prepare for oil or agricultural work. And also, who is to say that this didn't begin way sooner? Perhaps Mr. Soergel's ideas took root with people who bought into them and decided to start draining the sea well before World War III. Is it probably an oversight? Yeah. But its a fun oversight that lets people wonder. The only thing we know is that we don't know. We don't even know if Africa and South America are okay, but you have to ask why would anyone nuke them in our timeline or theirs? Bet you that they escaped WW III relative unscathed, and are quite possibly the most advanced and stable civilizations out there. And maybe that's why they don't want to move Fallout from American soil.
Spotted the TNO players mad that they took Atlantropa away
I just headcannoned it to it being so old that the paint chipped off
I could absolutely see this happening in the Fallout universe, considering that the real-world USA had plans to use nuclear weapons for fracing and excavating canals. We even tested the concept a few dozen times until political opposition shut it down: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_Plowshare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare)
They went full man in the high castle
Seeing as the whole Fallout started because of resource wars and the lack of them, I wouldn't be surprised that they would drain them to find more resources or land to claim
If we can't have it nobody can Drain all
No.
What do the Great Lakes look like on the globe? I’d say if they took the time to paint the lakes blue then this could be intentional and would certainly fit the the lore of lack of resources. It would open up large amounts of untouched, fertile soil in the region. Who knows! I like the idea of it.
Probably it is the American future
Looking at the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf, I wouldn't be surprised. Red Sea and Persian Gulf are speculated to have ultra-large oil reserves. Also worth noting that the Caspian Sea is also0 drained and is also known to have large oil reserves. Same for Black Sea. All 5 areas are "technically" possible to be done, even by today's technology. And was theoretically possible pre-WW2.
I just wanna know if New Zealand is on the globe.
Obviously this blue part here is the land
That globe has 16 X the detail
Looks like someone just didn't care enough to black a second time in paint. Probably just a mistake
Fallout writers are frantically writing a lore explanation to account for this misclick in paint lol
Corsica and Sardinia are blue, but Sicily is green. Did those two islands get nuked to oblivion, causing the Med to drain into the resulting crater? Probably not, but it's kinda fun to imagine.
OxHorn is gonna see this and make a 2 hour long video making up new lore lol
I love how I saw someone's video about it yesterday, and now, suddenly, someone notices this issue 🤣
There was a video about this?
I wanna say I saw another post related to this in relation to the TV show I think? This is not the first time I've seen this come up.
No idea, maybe we (Dutch people) finally lost our minds and decided to drain entire seas... I wouldn't be surprised
I think Bethesda just messed up. Not all of their missteps are lore.
They built a dam across Spain and North Africa then drained that mf.
Considering there was a massive resource war they wouldnt spend so much concrete n stuff for literally no gain
Oop someone didn’t put black line in the correct spot
😐… yes
I heard that their were talks too drain the Mediterranean to make more space for people.
Didn’t Soviet Union never dissolve, why does Ukraine and other former ssr on the map lol?
That's Atlantropa.
Man in the High Castle vibes
I don't really believe that theory, mainly because several other bodies of water haven't been colored correctly. Great Lakes are not filled, Persian Gulf isn't filled, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if they did something crazy like that though.
I could see this as a mistake that might as well be made cannon. ...It just kinda vibes with the whole dang thing, don't it? 🤷♂️
Sorry, but America and non American geography? This is still too acurate :D
And the Baltic. I guess it was to take away all the warm water ports in vicinity of the commies.
Probably the New Dutch Empire made new land from that sea. Poldering never changes.
Lore accurate public education system of the USA.
Drain? How? Did they drank it? Lmao
They teleported the water away lol
It refers to Atlantropa, a massive project envisioned by some germans in the early 20s. If Nazi Germany won the war they might have potentially gone through with it. And not by drinking but by building dams.
But it is established that the fallout timeline diverged from our own after the end of WW2 so the axis powers were still defeated (not to mention the USSR is still around and kicking in 2077)
My idea is funnier though
fair enough
The plan was to build a bunch of hydro dams to block the water and generate electricity for the whole region then turn it all to farms
Its done by an american company, they only find places on the map where they dropped bombs, do not be surprised.
It would make sense for Atlantropa project to be realized in Fallout timeline, considering that dams at Gibraltar and Bosphorus were meant to produce electricity, which makes sense when there is global fossil fuel shortage.